Fast Food

Did Burger King Tell a Whopper About Its Meatless Burger?

No, but that's not stopping a litigious vegan from making his case.

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The fast-food chain Burger King was sued last month by a man who claims the company's plant-based burgers are "contaminated" with meat.

Phillip Williams, a vegan who filed the lawsuit in federal court in Miami, says he ate a plant-based Impossible Whopper earlier this year at a Burger King location in Atlanta. He says he never would have eaten the Impossible Whopper if he were aware Burger King, also known as BK, uses the same grills to cook both the Impossible Whopper and the company's traditional, cow-based Whopper and other grilled-meat products.

In the putative class-action lawsuit, Williams claims BK "duped" him and (presumably) other vegan and vegetarian customers. Williams seeks redress under Florida's Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act and other laws. He's asked the court to award damages and attorneys fees and to compel BK "to plainly disclose that the Impossible Whopper is cooked on the same grill as its other meat." Burger King has not commented on the lawsuit. 

BK's Impossible Whopper—a plant-based version of the chain's signature Whopper—is built around a plant-based Impossible Burger patty. Sales of the popular sandwich have been credited with helping boost BK's bottom line. (Though I've tried and enjoyed various plant-based foods produced by Beyond Meat—a leading Impossible Burger competitor—I'm on record as finding the Impossible Burger itself to be dull and lacking.)

Vegans, out of necessity, are attentive. And no vegan should be fooled by the Impossible Whopper, which, as the product description clearly states, contains mayonnaise. BK burger buns, a vegan website reports, also contain milk. What's more, as CNET noted last month—days before the BK lawsuit was filed—the Impossible Burger "may not be entirely friendly for vegans or vegetarians" due to the fact that "cross-contamination occurs between real meat and Impossible's faux meat."

"100% WHOPPER®, 0% Beef," states Burger King's description of its Impossible Whopper. The description also notes that "[f]or guests looking for a meat-free option, a non-broiler method of preparation is available upon request." In other words, customers such as Williams who want to eat something that is designed in a laboratory to look, smell, feel, and taste exactly like meat but who also want to avoid eating actual meat may choose to have their Impossible Whopper prepared in one of BK's microwaves.

But Williams claims he was duped. He says he "only saw Defendant's representations that the Impossible Whopper was made with the 'Impossible' vegan and meat-free burger patty." But Williams also notes he ordered the Impossible Whopper without mayonnaise at a BK drive-thru. If Williams was curious why the default version of a sandwich he believed to be vegan came with mayonnaise, he doesn't detail that in his lawsuit. Nothing in the lawsuit indicates he asked any questions about the Impossible Whopper of Burger King staff before, during, or after his purchase.

Was Burger King trying to "dupe" anyone? I sincerely doubt it. For one thing, according to a Reuters report, the Impossible Whopper was designed "for meat eaters who want to consume less animal protein, not for vegans or vegetarians." That's not Williams, who claims in the suit "he does not eat or drink anything that uses animal by-products."

If Williams wants to eat only foods he believes contains no animal by-products, he should do so. But he also might wish to consider that Burger King is probably the last thing standing between him and a 100% vegan diet.  

Consider, for example, the Food and Drug Administration's defect levels. They establish limits on—among other things—the maximum permissible amounts of animals and animal parts that may appear in various commercially available foods—including many putatively vegan or vegetarian foods. According to the regulations, allspice may contain dozens of insect fragments. Apple butter may contain rodent hairs. Asparagus may contain beetle eggs. Fruit juices may contain maggot and fly parts. Frozen broccoli may contain mites. Seeds may contain "mammalian excreta." And so on.

Opening up this line of inquiry further suggests something of a Pandora's box. Consider—as the classic Reese's Peanut Butter Cup commercial proves—so-called contamination of food goes both ways, and is often in the eye of the beholder. Somewhere down the road, aggrieved meat eaters might decide to sue a restaurant over contamination of their preferred meat products (e.g., hamburgers) by non-meat products (e.g., the Impossible Burger) they abhor.

For these and other reasons, I believe (and hope) this lawsuit against BK will fail. But others aren't so sure. Law professor Stephen Carter argues BK's "0% Beef" claim could help convince a court that Burger King was in the wrong because the statement is "a clear and precise assertion about the existence of a fact."

Interestingly, the lawsuit has generated some unlikely critics: many vegans and vegetarians. Hundreds of people, led by a self-described vegan, have signed on to a Change.org petition thanking Burger King for selling the Impossible Whopper. They and others are grateful for the choice and concerned the BK lawsuit could have unintended consequences.

"If this lawsuit leads to a ruling that forces Burger King to have separate, meat-free grills to cook plant-based burgers, that could be a problem," wrote the Motley Fool's Rich Duprey last week. "Adding [new] grills would be an expensive fix and Burger King would likely find it easier and cheaper to drop the Impossible Whopper from the menu."

If that's the end result, then this lawsuit will prove to be a huge loss for consumer choice in general and—more specifically—a huge setback for vegans and vegetarians who long to see more and better plant-based choices in America's most popular restaurants.

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  1. “Vegans, out of necessity, are attentive. ” necessity is the wrong word.

    1. While listening to a Rogan podcast that destroyed the new Netflix vegan documentary, it was brought up that agricultural farming for soy and other vegan products kills more animals than most pastures raising meat for food. Turns out it is true:

      http://www.anthropocenemagazine.org/2018/07/how-many-animals-killed-in-agriculture/

      Vegans are just whiny little people whose only accomplishment in life is telling other people how immoral they are.

      Also… #vegancat

      1. Interesting take.

        I can tell you that the fields where our cows and goats are dont get any treatment. They are tiny ecosystems of living things. Sometimes we go after the fire ants if they get too out of control, since they hurt the animals.

        The fields where crops are grown are treated to protect the plants. We also employ predators/traps to control small rodents. “Organic” crops are mostly protected the same way.

        We kill untold number of animals to get those SOY BOYS to buy our locally grown crops.

        1. The acreage required for everyone to switch to a plant based diet is far worse for the environment than eating nutrient packed meat. The argument is silly from the outset.

          1. And they’re welcome to switch to dried out and canned and roots in winter, rather than use shipped fresh greens from another hemisphere.

      2. “Vegans are just whiny little people whose only accomplishment in life is telling other people how immoral they are.”

        Sorry, JesseAZ, I keep vegan and I am neither whiny, moralistic, nor “little.” And, I certainly don’t tell other people how to live their lives. I just prefer not to eat animals. The idiot pressing the lawsuit, on the other hand, well, yeah.

        1. Sounds whiny to me…

          1. To me, too.

          2. I often wonder why people like you care so much about what others eat. You honestly seem like the whiny one

        2. Generalizations are not totality statements. You can find an exception to every rule. But generalizations are quicker to write. Not sure why people get so bothered by it.

          That said. Vegans are generally whiny assholes who push their morality on others.

          Also if you cared about the morality of eating meat you should read the link above.

          1. JessAz: as far as myself, it has nothing to do with morality at all. It has to do with aggression. It makes me feel good knowing that some cow didn’t have to be killed just so I can have a sandwich for lunch. And, I am perfectly aware that modern agricultural practices results in the death of millions of insects and small mammals. And no, veganism or vegetarianism isn’t going to combat climate change, save the planet, or any other such nonsense. It’s a personal choice. And, yeah, I have met those vegans who you describe. The only thing I can say is that they are in the minority, and they are a pain in the ass.

            1. JessAz: as far as myself, it has nothing to do with morality at all. It has to do with aggression. It makes me feel good knowing that some cow didn’t have to be killed just so I can have a sandwich for lunch. And, I am perfectly aware that modern agricultural practices results in the death of millions of insects and small mammals.

              So your ok with millions s of insects and mammals dying for that soy burger you love but you can’t fathom killing a cow so you can enjoy a burger?
              You have just proven yourself to be a hypocrite.

              1. Since the huge majority of those insects and mice who died for soybeans died for soybeans destined to feed cows, your logic seems faulty. But, overall, your point is valid.

                But it’s not about animals dying — all animals die. And very, very few of them die of old age. It’s about killing of them, intentionally, when unnecessary. It’s simply something I personally choose to avoid. And no, prime rib dinner (or whatever else you like), doesn’t bother me in the least.

                1. On a per caloric basis, less mammals die from cattle farms. Cattle eat the byproduct of the soy farms, the pieces that humans wont eat. And historic cattle farms kill almost no secondary animals for agriculture as they are grass fed and cattle tends to not step on mice.

                  1. Holistic not historic.

                  2. No argument here.

                    I am not ignorant of the fact that, even while picking the apples, blueberries and cherries in my back yard, or while mowing the grass, or picking tomatoes, that insects will die because they get stepped on. And no doubt, I have killed millions more off-roading in my Wrangler. And let’s not forget those millions of mosquitoes who have sacrificed themselves on the windshield of my car.

                    But none of this is germane to my point. Some Buddhists (mostly monks), recite a prayer to alleviate guilt which may arise from their knowledge that animals, and plants, may have both been harmed or killed in the preparation of their food. They are, effectively, asking forgiveness for having to eat plants. (though not “forgiveness” in a Christian sense).

                  3. Not too mention we adapted to eating meat because it is far more dense with calories than plants. And we began cooking it because it begins digestion outside the body so we can get even more out of what we eat.

                    Speaking of rogan, if you listen to his interview with Penn Gillette he makes a comment alluding to this. He basically said “information today is like calories throughout history. For all but the last 60 years the main problem, facing 99% of the living mammals on this planet was lack of calories. But now we’ve got easy access and it went the opposite way now, too many have too many calories. And information is the same way. We used to have very little access to information, but now everyone can access it on their phone 24/7 and everyone assumes it’s all true all the time and over consume things they don’t even take the time to parse through.”

                    1. Forgot my final point, which was….things like veganism are only possible as a luxury in nations that are successful economically, which means they’re probably freer.

                      How many vegans per capita do you think exist in places like venezuela, somalia, or even india, compared to america?

                    2. “Forgot my final point, which was….things like veganism are only possible as a luxury in nations that are successful economically, which means they’re probably freer. How many vegans per capita do you think exist in places like venezuela, somalia, or even india, compared to america?”

                      Absolutely. Being a vegan is really easy here in America (I know, because I can get my vegan entrees at Safeway or Walmart).

                      The other thing is that the largest markets for meat in the near future are in Asia, where people can now afford meat. Africa will also see a rise in the consumption of meat. This does not worry me — my wife just handed me a lettuce, tomato, Tofurkey-ham with Best foods vegan mayo and mustard-on-rye sandwich for lunch. About as vegan-easy as one can get. If you want “rough” try being a Jain in India,

                  4. Jesse, why are you picking on AlbertP? He’s the kind of vegan we want. Save your ammo for real, honest to goodness, assholes. Hihn, for example.

                    1. BIGT: Jesse is okay. LOL

                2. The vegans that annoy me are the ones that have turned it into a cult. A vegan friend of mine got me to watch an awful documentary narrated by Joaquin Phoenix that was absolute rubbish. It made all kinds of bizarre unsupported claims.

                  1. “It made all kinds of bizarre unsupported claims.” Hmm… not a bad definition of cult mentality.

                    1. The thing I pointed out to her is that some of the premises included in the documentary actually had some amount of validity. However, instead of focusing on making logical conclusions and pushing provable narratives, they destroyed their own credibility by including shrill nonsense.

                      It was a wasted opportunity for the producers of the documentary.

              2. DirtyD:

                If you want real hypocrisy, in the area of food, you might find more satisfaction if you railed against all those anti-hunting folks who rail against hunting while paying other people to slaughter their steaks.

          2. I think you’re incorrect about the claim that the buns contain milk. I went to their allergen information on the BK website and the impossible whopper and regular whopper do not contain any milk according to the chart. If the buns contained milk I think they’d have to check the “contains milk” part.

            Also this guy is dumb. I’m vegan and I know several other vegans. All of us are well aware that BK uses the same grill for the impossible burgers that they use for the meat. BK also states that if you don’t want to use the same grills you can have them microwaved. It’s 100% this guy’s fault for not even doing a little research before ordering it. No way he will win this.

          3. Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

            Not sure why anyone would want to patronize an establishment like BK that is clearly run by the Sith.

      3. Hard core vegans (like hard core people of every type) are moral extremists. I can imagine some naive vegans who would be horrified to learn that animals died during crop production, and will soon campaign against any agricultural practices that do so.

        To take this to the absurd extreme, vegan morality would seem to require abandoning agriculture completely. Righteous vegans should all be nomadic gatherers. But then, they will still compete with animals for the same plants, causing some of the furry creatures to die.

        Best for hyper-vegans to just sacrifice themselves for scavengers.

        1. Veganism is an evolutionary development for decadent bitches to kill themselves off

      4. Veganism really is a cult for some of them

      5. The worst thing about city people, and 99.97% of Vegan are city people, is that they have no idea where they food comes from. Hint: it doesn’t comes from the grocer!

        The FDA guidelines for animal parts in plant based food is there out of necessity. Peanut butter is made out of peanuts. Guess what’s in a lot of peanuts? A worm! While a lot of effort goes into keeping bad peanuts out of the mix, no one is going to pay the price for a worm free peanut butter. The labor costs would be prohibitive.

        The fresher the food, the less processed it is, the more it can have animal parts. The worm in an apple is not a myth, it’s common place. They just tend to stay out of the whole apple packing line and make it into the fresh squeezed apple juice line instead. Because worms love apples. I mean duh.

        Plowing the fields mulches earthworms. Gosh. Grain silos get… mice. Which get ground up into flour. Etc., etc.

        Thankfully with advances in computer vision and stuff, infested nuts and fruits can get kicked out of the processing line and diverted to hog feed. But some are still going to get past. So yes, city folk Vegan: you’re eating meat!

      6. The fact is that 70% of soy and 36% of corn (with 40 going for biofuel) is grown for lifestock feed, so the argument that plants are more destructive than lifestock is totally bogus.
        Organically grown plants in fact improve the soil and nurture much more biological activity.

        I tried the Beyond meat….not too bad. The Impossible burger was hideous…it will die out because it tastes terrible.

        Vegans have a right to get what is promised: a plant-based burger fried with other meat products is not vegan. Meat literally makes me sick…..so there is a health risk.

        People who stick with a vegan diet end up rejecting fake meats because in fact plant protein, such as mushrooms, olives, etc properly prepared with herbs and spices is not only much healthier for both the human body and Mother Earth but taste much better.

        The anti-vegan lies about how plants kills more animals than livestock ignores both that most soy and corn is grown mostly for livestock (and behind deforestation, wildfires in Brazil, and killing off of ecosystems), and that a truly healthy diet of organic plants both promotes human and environmental health.

        Consider: “More than 200 million animals are killed for food around the world every day – just on land. That comes out to 72 billion land animals killed for food around the world every year. Including wild caught and farmed fishes, we get a daily total closer to 3 billion animals killed.” https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+animals+are+killed+each+year+for+meat&oq=how+many+animals+are+killed+each+year+for+meat&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.7741j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

        Add to that the insects, etc killed through plowing, pesticides, etc. in growing soy and corn for livestock.
        onegreenplanet.org reports: “Around 70 percent of the world’s soy is fed directly to livestock and only six percent of soy is turned into human food, which is mostly consumed in Asia.”

        So back off with that plants kill more animals than meat production, since as the usda reports: “The major feed grains are corn, sorghum, barley, and oats. Corn is the primary U.S. feed grain, accounting for more than 95 percent of total feed grain production and use.

        More than 90 million acres of land are planted to corn, with the majority of the crop grown in the Heartland region.
        Most of the crop is used as the main energy ingredient in livestock feed.”
        Most of the plants which according to the meat propaganda does more harm than slaughtering billions of animals each year are in fact grown to feed animals for slaughter.
        “USDA currently projects corn acres at 91.7 million acres, up 3% from prior-year levels, and soybean acres at 80 million acres, down 10% from 2018.Jul 2, 2019.”

        That is about 20% of total agricultural acreage..and most of it is for animals.

        Nor does the anti-vegan propaganda consider the destruction of entire ecosystems worldwide: “According to one report, an estimated 70 percent of deforestation in the Amazon basin can be attributed to cattle ranching. Using these numbers, cattle ranching in the Amazon has resulted in the loss of an area larger than the state of Washington. Brazil is the world’s largest exporter of beef.”
        The jungles ripped up for pasture (with the soil worn out in 10 years) is also used to grow soy for the cattle…..
        Hereis what the Union of Concerned Scientists says: ” Of the four major deforestation drivers, beef has by far the largest contributor
        and . has contributed to the doubling of soybean production in the last 20 years.”

        There’s your damned plants!

    2. “Vegans, out of necessity anality, are attentive.”

      There.

      1. Vegans live longer and contribute to the health of the earth ecosystem. Mocking them while you kill yourself with meat is tragic stupidity.

    3. That’s what makes them so wonderful to be around.

    4. What rot. I have not renewed my subscription to “Reason” because they seem to be losing their minds. A little beef juice in a “beef free” burger isn’t going to harm anyone. My older daughter is a vegan and she laughed when I told her of Reason’ lack of reason.

      1. My suspicion is that the beef juice is the primary flavoring. 0% still allows for some animal product included, due to rounding.

        1. Some girls just don’t enjoy beef juice. Although they do enjoy the taste of fish and clams.

      2. “My older daughter is a vegan and she laughed when I told her of Reason’ lack of reason.”

        Your daughter sounds quite sensible. But what does Reason have to do with it? It seems pretty clear, from the text, that BL thinks this lawsuit is fairly ridiculous.

      3. You didn’t read the article.

      4. It’s the grill. The actual burger is meat and animal free.

        The guy got fries too but no one complains that fish was fried in the same grease

        1. You sure? That would leave a bad taste I’ve never experienced.

          1. BigT: I had it happen a time or two… about 30-40 years ago. I suspect most places have more than one deep-fryer, and keep one for chicken, fish, and the like.

        2. Burger Kings separates out the french fryer from the other fryers. Because the fish does affect the taste. Some minuscule cross contamination can occur, but they do keep them separate. Because even meativores hate fish tasting fries.

      5. There’s some rot – but I think you should be looking in the mirror to find it. As Agammamon said, it’s pretty obvious you didn’t bother to read the article.

      6. What do you think he means when he refers to a ‘little beef juice’?

        The residue on the grill.

        Which is what the complaint is about.

        But there is no ‘grill’. It’s a conveyor that rotates over the flame. The grease cooks off as the conveyor goes under and returns to the point where new patties are added.

        1. It’s still the same conveyor, and that violates the tenets of Veganism. Remember, we’re talking about Vegans here, not run of the mill vegetarians. Vegans can’t even eat off of plates that have ever had meat on them. It’s a religious thing.

          1. LOL. Nice. I don’t know any vegans like that, but a good joke.

            1. It’s true. Not all Vegans of course, but a restaurant that serves Vegan must separate its cookware.

              Of course, there is no Federal Guideline for What Is Veganism. So there is no law restaurants have to do that. But it’s certainly expected in some areas with larger Vegan populations.

              I was once at a restaurant, a pizza restaurant, where I was asked if I was Vegan or non-Vegan, and the choice determined which room I was seated him.

              I think most people who call themselves “Vegan” are not the religious sort, and just vegetarians who want to take it a step further by eliminating dairy products. But there are the True Blue Vegans who’s dietary restrictions are indeed religious in nature. To the point of insisting on separate cooking and serving utensils.

              That’s what this lawsuit is about.

              1. “I was once at a restaurant, a pizza restaurant, where I was asked if I was Vegan or non-Vegan, and the choice determined which room I was seated him.”

                OMG. That is f’ing ridiculous.

      7. Reason is NOT defending the lawsuit. Did you even bother to read past the title? Dumbfuck.

    5. Should I sure if my chicken sandwich is cooked on the same grill as the impossible burger or the beef Whopper?

      Why would any vegan eat at Burger King or assume that anything is vegan that does not state it?

      Vegetarian and vegan are different. Vegans don’t even drink milk or eat cheese.

      1. Orthodox Vegans don’t even eat honey.

        1. Yep. It has to do with the bees being “enslaved.” I never could understand that, either.

          1. All bees are enslaved. They live in a monarchy and don’t get paid to work for the queen.

  2. Live by the sword, die by the sword SOY BOYS.

  3. I don’t like Gays, Jews, Vegans or Airline Pilots. Why? Because in the first 5 minutes of meeting one, they feel the need to tell you they ARE one.

    CB

    1. As far as Jews, I think that’s a Coastal thing. Here in the Midwest, you can know someone for decades and not know they’re Jewish.

      1. Unless, of course, they’re a convert or practice Karbala

        1. Karbala. A city in central Iraq.

          Perhaps you meant Kabala. It is Jewish mysticism. It is not a practice.

          1. Perhaps he meant Kamala.

            1. Willie Brownism?

      2. What about the horns?

      3. I am a midwestern Jew.

        “Here in the Midwest, you can know someone for decades and not know they’re Jewish.”

        Which leads to some very interesting conversations Vern.

        An example. We fell in love with our house on a drive by with a for sale sign in front. Called the realtor right there and she came. “What do they want.” She gave us the amount. We just said OK offer that.

        So it went. The couple selling the house wanted to meet us. The deal was nearly closed. They wanted to sell us a few items whatever we didn’t care.

        The lady of the house says in a low voice “I have to tell you something”. “The people next door, they are Jews”

        “Really?”

        “Oh yes but they are nice. So don’t worry. He is a doctor or something. She teaches piano. They are from Israel”

        “Interesting. Because we are…”

        Wife looks at me with that look that says “shecket” stop talking. She tells them she was born in Germany which is true.

        Here is your check.

        Must have been quite a shock when they learned.

        1. “What do they want.” She gave us the amount. We just said OK offer that.”

          Shame

          1. See, I told you we can’t tell who’s Jewish here.

        2. A Jew bought a house without haggling?

          1. You can’t scientifically prove that. I have a book that say it never happened.

            /Misek.

            1. Careful, the mere mention of Jooooooosssssss May cause that bigoted shitsack to appear.

      4. Because you picked your birth parents and take credit for other people’s success you seem strained.

        Better because you have something in common with successful people

      5. Same where I live. I know good number of Jews. I don’t recall any of them announcing that they were Jewish shortly after I met them.

      6. The best jokes are about Jewish people though. But it’s ok to tell them if you are Jewish, so it’s kind of a necessity to let others know…

    2. I didn’t even know you for 60 seconds before you told me what you are… an idiot

      1. Parody, most likely. I mean “Cracker boy”?

        1. Perhaps he’s just a big fan of Cracker Barrel.

        2. Thank you BigT. I mean… the “Airline Pilots” should have been a hint…

          CB

    3. Not true about any of those except the Vegans. While some gays may be vocal about being gay (recent converts I suppose), most you never realize are gay until you meat their boyfriend. It’s no big deal. And I have only ever met one Jew in my entire life who went out of their way to tell me they were Jewish. And she happened to be a recent convert. Yeah, the recent convert thing is a thing. Recent converts to anything will go out of their way to tell you they are a recent convert.

      And airline pilots? WTF? Sure, they will be constantly talking about their planes and shit, but who doesn’t talk about their work and their hobbies? Gun enthusiasts sure as hell don’t. Gun owners are the worst. Can’t go five minutes before they start telling you about their new 3D printed clip or something.

  4. Right there in the picture there’s meat touching that burger. Does “going vegan” include eating vegetarians? Asking for a friend.

    1. That would be a good question for Jeffrey Dahmer.

    2. I’ve eaten a few vegans. It was only fair. I’m each case it was after I talked them into eating my kielbasa.

  5. 0 is not 0.0. It’s mathematically any number less than 0.5. Found that out when we guaranteed 98% removal. 97.7 = 98. Case dismissed.

    1. Mathematically my ass. Rounding is an accounting thing mostly. And if you round to the nearest even number, which you should do for better statistical averaging, 0.5 rounds to 0.0.

      1. Well your ass is an idiot because he’s right and you’re wrong.

      2. No, “0.5” rounds to “0”. If you retain the extra digit (even set to zero), then you’re not “rounding”, you’re engaging in “false precision”.

    2. Depends on if its floating point or integer. 0 is 0 as an int. If it’s floating point 0 can be as much as 0.0000001. It’s impossible to tell just by looking at the formatted value though, so BK should be in the clear.

  6. If saying “0% Beef” is “a clear and precise assertion about the existence of a fact,” then that fact would be that the product contains less than 0.5% beef, which I expect is true.

    1. I see Greg B and I posted the same thing at the same time (9:04 am).

      1. Well, you guys both type faster than me. And don’t run your mouth so much.

    2. But those are physical measurements. You know, science.

      Some (most?) vegans are moralists, and we all know moral purity cannot be measured.

    3. No, 0% is precise, meaning none. “Less than 1%” or “may contain trace amounts” or “prepared in a facility that processes beef” would be okay.

      And I’d be suing about that sorry looking bun in the picture, not getting my plant-based burger cooked on a grill/broiler that might have some meat flavor on it.

  7. Law professor Stephen Carter argues BK’s “0% Beef” claim could help convince a court that Burger King was in the wrong because the statement is “a clear and precise assertion about the existence of a fact.”

    Law professor Stephen Carter is talking out his ass if he’s confusing the legal definition of 0% with the mathematical definition of 0%. (Or more likely, just talking shit even though he knows better.)

    Legally, less than .5% is rounded down to 0%. It’s why CokeZero (IIRC) specifies zero calories per 8 ounce serving but a 12-ounce can has 1 calorie – 8 ounces has a little less than .5 calories but 12 has a little more than .5.

    1. I calorie? Goddammit! There goes my diet. I’m suing Coca Cola!

    2. Huh, Now I am idly wondering if that is why, legally speaking, minors aren’t permitted to buy NA beer…?

    3. What about Pepsi Free? I took one at the 7-11, and they said I was shoplifting, but it said “free” right on the can.

  8. “If that’s the end result, then this lawsuit will prove to be a huge loss for consumer choice in general and—more specifically—a huge setback for vegans and vegetarians who long to see more and better plant-based choices in America’s most popular restaurants.”

    And do you seriously think that Phillip Williams or his asshole attorney give a damn about that?

    1. Follow the money.

  9. In news Reason and most of their fellow mainstream lefties will ignore: a bunch of Saudis attacked us again:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7766473/Saudi-Air-Force-trainee-condemned-nation-evil-hate-fueled-Twitter-manifesto.html

    Trump’s biggest policy mistake was in not banning those fuckers from coming here also. They’re the absolute lowest scum of the earth.

    1. After news broke that the suspect was a Saudi national, Donald Trump tweeted that ‘King Salman of Saudi Arabia just called to express his sincere condolences and give his sympathies to the families and friends of the warriors who were killed and wounded in the attack that took place in Pensacola, Florida.’

      The President continued: ‘The King said that the Saudi people are greatly angered by the barbaric actions of the shooter, and that this person in no way shape or form represents the feelings of the Saudi people who love the American people.’

      Remember, Osama Bin Laden was an elite in Saudi society and had worked with the USA on multiple occasions.

      On the other hand, what better way to start a Holy War between Islam and Christianity than send in Saudi operatives to kick start the conflict? To bad these Muslims dont realize that America is not a Christian nation.

    2. One is a bunch?

      1. On a hunch.

      2. Hey dipshit, maybe you should try actually reading the article I linked to so you don’t make a complete fool out of yourself. Seven is a lot more than one!

  10. Phillip Williams, a vegan who filed the lawsuit in federal court in Miami, says he ate a plant-based Impossible Whopper earlier this year at a Burger King location in Atlanta.

    So he bought the burger in Georgia but he’s suing in Florida? Why is this?

    Williams seeks redress under Florida’s Deceptive and Unfair Trade Practices Act and other laws.

    Oh, he’s trying to use Florida’s laws against a Georgia restaurant? I suppose if he’s suing the Burger King corporation as a whole he can file the suit wherever it’s most convenient for him to file.

    A Georgia man is suing Burger King following claims the fast food chain’s plant-based Impossible Whoppers are contaminated with meat due to being cooked on the same grills as meat.

    Oh, wait, he’s from Georgia. Miami is not convenient at all for him. I believe this is what is known as “forum shopping” and a good indication the lawsuit is bullshit. Possibly a bullshit lawsuit where the “plaintiff” is merely de jure and the de facto plaintiff is a pack of shyster lawyers who should be forced to eat a big bag of dicks.

    1. Burger King HQ is located in Miami-Dade County.

    2. But what if some of the shyster lawyers are vegan?

      1. Feed those soysuckers some Impossible Dicks™

        1. You’re welcome.

          1. Good work, guys

  11. Let that be a lesson to all. If you try to cater to to the soyboy woke crowd, they’ll make you pay for it.

    1. +100000

    2. ^ “No good deed goes unpunished” department.

  12. OT, but anal anyhow:
    “COP25: Greta Thunberg Arrives In Madrid”
    […]
    “Greta Thunberg arrived on Friday in Madrid to attend the 25th United Nations Climate Change Conference, after sailing across the Atlantic Ocean. The crowd at the venue of the summit surrounded her in a Hollywood-star style – although Thunberg herself pointed out that focus should rather be directed on the issues she is highlighting.
    […]
    Meanwhile, the youth protest in Madrid went on for over three hours. Organizers estimated that 500,000 people took part, but local authorities and the police claimed they were 15,000 in total.”
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/emanuelabarbiroglio/2019/12/06/cop25-greta-thunberg-arrives-in-madrid/#36b303b57560

    14YO camera whore.

    1. 16

    2. Do an internet search for ‘14 year old camera whore’.

      Something I’m sure Buttplug has done many times.

    3. Oh the sacrifices she is making :(.

  13. this is really funny… kindly check Cardi B Songs

  14. What do you reckon it will costs to unload trucks at the border and then repack the goods into much smaller loads so they can travel more than 5 miles before re-charging?

    “Heavy trucks are among California’s biggest polluters. Can the state make them go electric?”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Heavy-trucks-are-among-California-s-biggest-14885931.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    1. At $15 an hour, of course.

    2. Best not to send stuff to or through California then. They can live on heirloom tomatoes, phone apps, and hobo poop.

      1. Sadly, most of the raw foods produced in the midwest end up going through the LA area for processing before being shipped back out to the rest of the country.

        1. I predict a large-scale increase in the food-processing industry in the midwest, and suggest shorting any interest you have in Salinas Valley ag.

  15. Vegans are assholes. Film at 11. In other news, water is wet.

  16. For those who give a damn, “veganism” (although I hate that term), arose from the non-aggression facet of Buddhism and Brahma teachings (and perhaps other philosophical underpinnings). “Not killing” other people was extended, by some Buddhists, to include animals. Even among Buddhists, veganism is fairly rare, though vegetarianism is not uncommon. Most of the hard-core vegans I have known are Buddhist monks. Some others, like myself and my wife, just choose not to eat animals. It’s the non-aggression principal applied to animals. Some others, of course, seem more like Christian or other fundamentalists, intent on forcing people to change their ways. And, members of the latter group tend to miss the point entirely.

    1. On small scale, such as buddhist temples, veganism can exist as a moral filter because they can care for their own agricultural processes. That isnt true of the majority of vegans.

      1. JesseAz: that is absolutely accurate. I taught composition and Western Lit for a while at the City of Ten Thousand Buddhas. Even there, I did notice a nun or two sneaking down to the local market for a Choco-Taco or two. But, even there, though their kitchens do not use any meat products in their meals, adherence to a vegan diet is completely voluntary.

    2. Veganism is suicidal.
      It is literally the instinct to cease existing.
      Fits Buddhism.

        1. I’ve seen “yawn” used as a retort before. What’s being conveyed here? That you feel tired, bored or threatened?

    3. It’s the non-aggression principal applied to animals.

      No it’s not. If a dog or bear attacked you, you won’t kill and eat it even though it initiated aggression. If an animal met its end of natural causes, you don’t eat it. Milking cows and goats is, in no way, an aggressive act. It’s a (false) entitlement principle that grants animals a right not to be eaten and/or asserts that by not eating animals some greater peace is obtained.

      1. mad.casual:
        “No it’s not. If a dog or bear attacked you, you won’t kill and eat it even though it initiated aggression. If an animal met its end of natural causes, you don’t eat it. Milking cows and goats is, in no way, an aggressive act. It’s a (false) entitlement principle that grants animals a right not to be eaten and/or asserts that by not eating animals some greater peace is obtained.”

        If a dog or bear attacked me, I would surely kill it. Same with a person.

        Milking cows and goats is not aggressive. However, standard practice is to kill them as soon as they quit producing enough milk to be profitable. This is sound business practice. I lived for years in a rural area surrounded by ranchers. I am certainly not “morally superior” to them.

        “false entitlement?” Are you nuts? I am not morally superior because I don’t kill and eat animals. (But yeah, I admit to running across some people like that.) I don’t kill and eat animals because it makes my life slightly more enjoyable. Some people like prime rib. I have no problem with that. It is not my station to tell other people how to live their lives.

        1. The bear might get you first, especially if your friend is faster than you.

          1. LOL. True. That is, of course, assuming I am not properly armed.

  17. This is so dumb. Nowhere did BK promote the sandwich as “vegan”, they just said it wasn’t made with beef, which makes it VEGETARIAN. Big difference between vegetarian and vegan.

    I’m so tired of political vegans making crusades out of crumbs. Chill, it’s ok to not be a butt-hurt vegan that thinks the world revolves around you; or that you dont even know what a vegan is since you cant tell the difference between a vegan and vegetarian.

    Again, BK never once said this was vegan. I’ve read through all of the Impossible release documents and nutritional information, and NOWHERE does it say that the burger is made or prepared in a vegan manner. It just says plant based instead of meat based.

    1. “Again, BK never once said this was vegan. I’ve read through all of the Impossible release documents and nutritional information, and NOWHERE does it say that the burger is made or prepared in a vegan manner. It just says plant based instead of meat based.”

      I agree. And, though I keep vegan, I have also never heard the phrase “prepared in a vegan manner.” I mean, for Kosher, yeah. I am completely unaware of the proper method a slaughtering an ear of corn.

      1. Here’s my major issue and maybe you can shed light on it…

        In recent years there’s been a major health trend to move AWAY from processed foods. But at the same time veganism is rising with immitation, highly processed and dyed, faux versions of nearly every meat and dairy product.

        At what point is all the dying, flavorings, salt, processing, machining, etc worse for you than just eating the real thing, or sticking to real vegetables and not trying to make a faux version of everything.

        I’ve never really looked but I’d guess that above all else, vegan faux options like these burgers are loaded with sodium.

        1. “… are loaded with sodium.”

          That is accurate. They have about the same amount of sodium, protein, fat, and calories, as a regular burger. The dye is beet juice. The “crunchiness” is from bamboo, and the major ingredient is pea protein. Way too much salt to qualify as “health food.” Maybe it’s vegan-style “comfort food?”

          From my observation, the presence of highly processed foods in the vegan/vegetarian isle of the supermarket is not due to some increased popularity of a particular food lifestyle, but rather that some people are just reducing their intake of meat, for whatever reason. Vegetarian and vegan offerings are also more likely to be “organic,” so that may also contribute to their sales. I am pretty sure there is no “vegan uprising,” LOL

        2. Yep. A lot of processed vegan food items are full of sodium and other unhealthy things. Check the recent South Park episode that parodies the whole thing.

          If a vegan, or anyone else, wants to eat healthy, they should focus on as much u processed food as possible. Preferably much of it raw.

          1. ‘Unprocessed’

      2. And, though I pretend to keep vegan

        FTFY.

        It can only be pretense.

        There is animal life covering nearly every surface on this planet. And there is animal life on and within every plant.

        And seeing as you seem pretty straightforward and sane about things, you must know this. So you know that you agress–and you know that you have no choice in the matter.

        You may do your best to not eat animals, but you know that you do.

        Thus, it can be naught but pretense.

        1. AZATHOTH

          I also undoubtedly consume insect matter in the blueberries I pick from my backyard, and also certainly in the produce from the supermarket, and from lots of other sources too. All I claim is that I don’t demand that animals and insects be slaughtered to satisfy my pallet. And I also don’t demand that others hunt them down and slaughter them. I apologize if that vexes you.. oh wait, no I don’t.

          1. I don’t think anyone cares enough to find your response to be vexatious.

            1. LOL. Yeah, you are probably correct.

              1. To be clear, that was an observation, and not an insult.

                1. I did not take it as an insult.

      3. I remember some years ago a vegan or vegetarian or something discovered that McDonald’s used beef stock to flavor their french fries. They started doing that after they stopped using beef tallow to fry them in order to retain the same flavor that consistently had their fries selected as most delicious.

        After a day or so of headlines McDonald’s announced they had never told anyone they were vegan or vegetarian or whatever. The story died.

  18. “If that’s the end result, then this lawsuit will prove to be a huge loss for consumer choice in general and—more specifically—a huge setback for vegans and vegetarians who long to see more and better plant-based choices in America’s most popular restaurants.”

    While there are honorable exceptions, Vegetarians and Vegans are largely preachy annoyances. They don’t really care what they eat, or how healthy it is, so long as they get to pose as morally su period to the Common Herd. The difference between a late Victorian Moral Scold and a Modern Progressive Moral Scold mostly comes down to outward appearance only. Modern Progressives are slobs.

    1. “They don’t really care what they eat,”

      I think you’ve got this backwards. Like most people, vegans and vegetarians really do care what they eat. That goes the same for pretty much everyone, carnivores and herbivores. I don’t think I’ve ever broken bread with anyone who doesn’t care what they eat.

      “Modern Progressives are slobs.”

      You feel threatened.

      1. NO, they don’t care what they eat. They care that they are PERCEIVED to eat a diet that makes them morally superior. If that diet was cannibalism, they would eat roasted children.

        As for my being threatened by their sloppy dress, that comment puzzles me. The modern Progressive Left has no fashion sense. The difference between Antifa and the Sturmabteilung who are their spiritual ancestors is that the Brownshirts dressed well. The Antifa look like so many piles of laundry. I imagine they think this makes them look ‘rebellious’. What it makes them look like is spoiled brats.

        1. Wrong. Vegans and vegetarians do care about what they eat. They care about not eating animal products. It’s you who care about superficial things like the clothing leftists wear and how stylish and clean the fascists are.

        2. +100

  19. I know plenty of vegans and none of them would ever go to BK expecting this level of disclosure. They fully know that many places, including non fast food restaurants, slightly contaminate non-meat products by cooking them on the same grill. Each makes their own choice on whether to eat at such places or not. This person is trying to get rich off his willful ignorance. And as the article says, in the unlikely event this a-hole wins, BK would most likely drop the item from the menu.

    1. I know vegans who are so dogmatic, they’d rather see Burger King closed down entirely with law suits because they serve meat than more people eating less meat because Burger King is serving Impossible Whoppers.

      I know libertarians who are so dogmatic, they’d rather not cut $772 billion from Medicaid if it doesn’t also eliminate the law that prohibits insurance companies from denying coverage on the basis of preexisting conditions.

      I’ve seen fundamentalists of all stripes will work against their own cause in its name. It’s a natural phenomenon.

      1. “…I’ve seen fundamentalists of all stripes will work against their own cause in its name…”

        See that 14YO camera whore, above.

        1. 16

    2. “They fully know that many places, including non fast food restaurants, slightly contaminate non-meat products by cooking them on the same grill.”

      Correct. There is only one restaurant in the entire county in which I live that can probably say that no meat products ever come into contact with their vegan offerings. Even then, they don’t claim it, since some insect matter is sure to be left on their organic salads. The lawsuit is absurd.

    3. Exactly. I don’t eat meat, but I’m not going to lose my mind if I touch some therefore I love these burgers!

    4. You are correct. Every vegan I know that orders grilled food ALWAYS asks if that grill is also used to cook animal products. This lawsuit should be rightfully tossed for this and so many other reasons.

  20. Animal rights people have been trolling the news media with these kinds of antics since forever. PETA once sued the California Dairy Association for false advertising because they were running ads claiming that “Good cheese comes from happy cows, and happy cows come from California” on the basis that California’s cows weren’t really happy. It isn’t just that they’re trying to get their names in the news to drive donations, although I’m sure that’s part of it. It’s also that they generate headlines and interest in their cause that way. They can’t control the way the media talks about their causes, but they can get their issues into the headlines with these antics–and make the rest of us carry their water for them by responding.

    Like with other trolls, the best way to deal with them is probably to ignore them.

    1. “Your Honor, I’d like to call Bossie to the stand.”

    2. “the best way to deal with them is probably to ignore them”

      Or just prove that California cows are really as happy as the cheese makers claim.

  21. In other court related news, Elon Musk’s legal team successfully defended him against a defamation suit for calling that rescuer guy a “pedo”. Musk’s legal team argued that it was intended as a joke–rather than with malice–and it wasn’t meant to be taken seriously.

    The jury bought it.

    Again, that malice standard sits in our defamation laws as a means to get past the First Amendment, like mens rea in a criminal case. To win a lawsuit against someone in a defamation case, you should need to prove what amount to criminal intent. The Second Amendment doesn’t protect violating people’s rights with a gun, and the First Amendment doesn’t protect violating people’s rights with your speech. In both cases, however, you should need to prove to a jury’s satisfaction that the defendant acted with criminal intent or malice in order to decide against them. Even in cases of negligence, you should need to prove to a jury’s satisfaction that the defendant willfully neglected someone’s safety. That’s what mens rea and malice are about.

    All this is to say that it’s nice to see that we can still depend on average people in juries to make these kinds of judgement calls with online content–no matter what the Preet Baharas of the world would prosecute. And Musk’s case further reinforces the importance of shielding third parties from liability for what the rest of us say to each other online. Musk can’t even afford to face thousands of these suits, even if he isn’t guilty. Meanwhile, in cases where third party platforms are involved, they cannot possibly possess malice. They cannot possibly have had malice when they wrote something that they never wrote.

    1. “Meanwhile, in cases where third party platforms are involved, they cannot possibly possess malice. They cannot possibly have had malice when they wrote something that they never wrote.”

      They can be negligent, though. Negligent for irresponsibly publishing malicious material. With rights come responsibilities.

  22. If you are eating vegan for moral/ethical reasons, you are ill informed and/or a zealot. The reality of agriculture is pretty harsh. Even the “carbon emmissions” stuff is a combination of false and poor ranching techniques. Proper ranching can actually make cattle net negative carbon/greenhouse producers.

    Every harvest of a field necessarily results in the mass killing of untold small mammals and birds and reptiles. Grass fed and finished beef costs you the life of a cow.

    1. “If you are eating vegan for moral/ethical reasons, you are ill informed and/or a zealot.”

      I keep vegan, and you are essentially correct. My reasons for keeping vegan is that it makes my life rather more enjoyable knowing I didn’t, for instance, authorize the destruction of a cow for my lunch, and that is a completely personal motivation.

      For all those animals and plants who die, in order to bring food to our tables, some (like some Buddhists) seek forgiveness from the animals and plants who were so-harmed. Not believing that animals and plants would understand such things, and not being Buddhist, I forego the prayer.

    2. “If you are eating vegan for moral/ethical reasons, you are ill informed and/or a zealot.”

      I’m not sure that killing and eating plants is any more moral than killing and eating animals. Both are blessed with life and sentience. What’s the big difference?

      1. Actually, there isn’t much of a difference, at least to some. This is why Jains (an ancient offshoot of Brahmanism), are supposed to eat only the fruit of the plant, without harming the plant itself.

        With Buddhism it is that the aggression needed to kill an animal, is not only harmful to the animal, but also to the killer: non-aggression to animals developed as an extension of the non-aggression principle as applied to people. And not all Buddhists recognize it. The term “moral” doesn’t actually apply in this case, since, there is no “God” in Buddhism who is going to punish you for “immoral” behavior. Probably more than you wanted to know.

        1. “The term “moral” doesn’t actually apply in this case, since, there is no “God” in Buddhism who is going to punish you for “immoral” behavior. ”

          I can only speak for Tibetan buddhism, but punishment and reward are meted out via reincarnation. A fly for example, who happens to orbit a stupa a few times might find itself born a human in its next life. The semi-wild dogs that live in Tibetan monasteries are there thanks to the belief that they’ve been bad monks in previous lives.

          I take your point about killing and aggression. Animals will typically do their best to escape you when you try to kill them, and they will even try to appeal to our emotions with their piteous cries. Plants are at a terrible disadvantage in that regard.

          1. + Thanks for the insight into Tibetan Buddhism.

            True story: At the opening of a new monastery, top chefs were called in to provide the food. One chef had quite a masterpiece — it was a vegan turkey. The deal was, it actually LOOKED just like a roast turkey. The resident master noted: “Do you think you might be missing the point?” I know a couple of folks who won’t eat anything which looks like a “burger” for the same reason.

            A reporter asked the master something like “aren’t plants also living creatures?” He replied: “Certainly, but we don’t have to chase them down.”

      2. Cycle of life. All life consumes other living things to survive.

        1. Plants can do fine on a diet of sunlight, water and minerals.

          1. True, but according to many scientists, much of the abundance of plant like on the planet is dependent on the CO2 produced by animal life. So at least some of them do depend on animals, though indirectly. And one COULD claim that Venus fly traps, for instance, are “aggressors.”

  23. Some thoughts:
    A real whopper doesn’t taste like beef. You buy it for the other crap that comes on it (which is tasty to me, by the way).

    I’m still wondering why they changed “veggie burger” to “plant-based meat”. The former seems more palatable to me and less like a lab experiment.

    1. “Some thoughts:
      A real whopper doesn’t taste like beef. You buy it for the other crap that comes on it (which is tasty to me, by the way).”

      Wife and I split an Impossible burger a while back, and I like grilled beef, so it didn’t get cheese, bacon or much of anything other than some lettuce and a spread of mustard. It looked like a burger, but it didn’t taste anything like one.
      Wife recently commented on the Whopper: ‘You could put a folded-up news paper in that thing, and it would still taste like a Whopper’; it ain’t the burger that makes a Whopper.

      1. “Wife recently commented on the Whopper: ‘You could put a folded-up news paper in that thing, and it would still taste like a Whopper’; it ain’t the burger that makes a Whopper.”

        Yeppers. From a vegan viewpoint, I like the option of the Impossible Whopper, on road trips — I get a little extra protein with my tomato, mustard, pickle, lettuce, and onion sandwich. A couple of coworkers, who used to travel a lot on the road for business, used to split their burgers — one was diabetic, the other vegetarian. lol

        1. If protein is a concern, then falafel is a good thing to put into burgers. They are mostly lentils with parsley, onion, and spices. You can easily and quickly make them yourself. I tend to distrust highly processed food items from distant factories.

          1. I certainly eat my share of falafel, and lots of other protein sources. I might eat a whopper once every couple of months (about as often as I eat a Beyond Meat burger. Neither of the aforementioned foods are what one could call “health food.” Mycoprotein and algal protein are widely available, and are used in numerous processed foods as well.

      2. “It looked like a burger, but it didn’t taste anything like one.”

        It has gristley bits that are more meat like than other faux burgers, and leaves a greasy after taste which I found unpleasant. The faux ham from Taiwan is more authentic and tasty.

    2. It’s a new add campaign to make people feel good about their junk food, and other non food purchases. For example, I noticed the ads for Tide laundry detergent now say it’s ‘made from plants’ too. Not sure if both companies use the same ad agency or not, but I suspect every Don Draper wannabe out there will be using that, or similar slogans in the near future.

      1. Actually, I am thinking that “plant-based” cleaners are more directed to those who want to avoid petrol-based detergents. But, probably just as silly.

        1. I was to one it was more of a feel good kind of ad campaign for those who want to ‘save the planet’. Or at least do so without a significant change in lifestyle.

  24. I have never understood why a vegan or vegetarian wants to eat something that mimics a meat based sandwich. A millions thing you could eat but they want a meatless hamburger. It does not make sense.

    1. Speaking only for myself, I like a hamburger now and then. I also like crab-cakes and a host of other “meaty things.” Having vegan options which mimic these things simply means that some animal somewhere didn’t have to give its life just to satisfy my palate. And for me, that is a “plus.” It’s really that simple.

      1. I eat vegan Asian dishes frequently, and also occasionally visit vegan restaurants There are a few good ones in my area.

    2. “I have never understood why a vegan or vegetarian wants to eat something that mimics a meat based sandwich. ”

      It makes sense because some vegans and vegetarians enjoy the taste of meat. Some vegans and vegetarians aren’t averse to highly processed foods.

    3. Our brains evolved to accommodate religion, and people remain wired that way even when they stop believing in God. They want to believe in a cause that’s bigger than themselves, and they want to make sacrifices for that cause. Some of them want to abuse you. Some of them want to be abused. Some of them want to both eat shit they don’t like and make you eat it, too.

  25. Meh.

    Who cares. In eating you can be kosher or Kosher, you can be gluten free or really GF. Veggie to whatever degree you wish.

    1. Two separate cooking areas in Burger King would solve both the kosher and the vegan issues.

      1. Shut up idiot.

      2. BK will microwave your Impossible Whopper, if you request it. I suspect would be good enough for most folks.

        1. The bad version of a burger from a place that makes regular burgers poorly at baseline, being cooked in the worst way possible (microwaved) should not be good enough for anyone.

          I think a psych eval should come free with the above order

          1. Microwaved MEAT is horrible. But those “burgers” in question are made primarily of peas. Veggies aren’t so bad microwaved. And yeah, an imitation of a rather poor hamburger is not a good hamburger.

  26. If you’re a vegan because you’re concerned about animal suffering, then a little animal fat getting in your veggie burger is not relevant to that. Have you saved any animals, or have you just dealt with real life in a tedious, OCD manner?

    If you’re a vegan because somehow animal products give you hives, that’s a different matter. Still your problem, of course.

    1. “If you’re a vegan because you’re concerned about animal suffering, then a little animal fat getting in your veggie burger is not relevant to that.”

      With many vegans, purity is the primary concern. A little animal fat is entirely relevant.

      1. Purity is not what Burger King, or any restaurant, sells.

        1. Many vegans avoid restaurants. If restaurants want to attract vegans, as Burger King evidently does, they will have to change their practices. Like a separate cooking area for vegan products.

          1. No you stupid fuck, they SPECIFICIALLY STATE THAT IT ISN’T FOR VEGANS they do NOT want to attract vegans you idiot read the fucking article

            “For one thing, according to a Reuters report, the Impossible Whopper was designed “for meat eaters who want to consume less animal protein, not for vegans or vegetarians.”

            Your entire premise is dumb

            1. Burger King wants to attract customers who are meat eaters who want to consume less animal protein, but not vegetarians or vegans who don’t want to consume any animal protein.

              Reuters report? Really?

          2. BK does a lot of schitck promotion. It is the business model.

    2. TONY: You list a couple reasons for keeping vegan. None of them are my reasons. Besides, why do you care what I eat or don’t eat or why? Every one of my friends are omnivores, excepting two who currently keep keto. Besides making fun of each other’s diets on occasion, we really don’t care.

      1. I’m genuinely curious how griddle residue upsets a vegan diet based on the terms of the diet. That’s all. You’re inhaling molecules from dead humans. Cannibal.

        1. Tony:
          Ok. Actually, I wonder about that, too. It seems sort of ridiculous to me. But then so does keeping kosher, so who am I to judge?

        2. “I’m genuinely curious how griddle residue upsets a vegan diet based on the terms of the diet. ”

          I’ve already answered that directly. For some vegans purity is very important. They prefer not to eat food that hasn’t been in contact with animal products. It doesn’t necessarily upset all vegan diets, as vegans are individuals and their diets vary with the individuals. Most I figure would prefer the grill to be cleaned of animal fat at least. You also misconstrue veganism as merely a diet. For some it goes further. Some avoid leather in shoes and belts. Not eating not wearing either. I met one vegan, a female lesbian from Iran, who took offense of animals used in movies and show business. Even animated animal characters made her uneasy.

          1. “You also misconstrue veganism as merely a diet. For some it goes further. Some avoid leather in shoes and belts. Not eating not wearing either. I met one vegan, a female lesbian from Iran, who took offense of animals used in movies and show business. Even animated animal characters made her uneasy.”

            Absolutely true. Some do. At least one manufacturer even offers vegan bicycle tires (some manufacturers use a mold release agent derived partly from animal). I actually have met one person who refuses to ride in an automobile for that reason. Really. I wanted to ask him if any of the veggies he hate were ever transported in a truck, but I held my tongue.

            I will admit to avoiding using leather products when I have a choice. And, since I no longer clog around the woods in my Whites and a pulaski in hand, it’s not a big deal.

    3. I can’t digest cooked mushrooms properly. If I eat a sufficient portion, an hour later it feels like I ate crushed glass, and the pain lasts for upwards of eight hours. Even the juices can do it if there is sufficient quantity.

      That said, I consider it my responsibility to question the resend of mushrooms in any dish I consume at a restaurant. Especially as mushrooms are in a LOT of dishes.

  27. I’m vegan thanks to a tick bite (alpha-gal), it only took a couple times of dining out to realize I need to ask how my food it’s cooked, as soon as I heard about bk’s impossible burger, I got online to see how it was cooked, their website clearly states it’s cooked on the same grills as the beef patties, if your that picky bout what you eat you research these things, or ask how it’s prepared, these are the kinds of people who poop in their floor and blame the dog so their wives will throw it out, when they just need to take it out to begin with

  28. How can you tell if someone’s a vegan?

    Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.

    /old joke

    1. Good joke ????

      1. But I have to tell people, if I don’t then my wife breaks out the epi-pen, grew up country still country, use to help out in a meat locker, people eating meat only makes me jealous, I say eat been and be merry if you can

    2. LOL. I am vegan, and that is SO true — though, usually, only with “recent converts.” My wife’s best friend did that for a full six months after giving up animal product. She was really annoying for most of those six months. On the other hand, every time I get a new guitar or mandolin, I just have to tell ALL my friends about it. That is probably pretty annoying, too.

  29. Sorry eat beef and be merry

  30. BK is advertising the Impossible Whopper as “0% Beef”, not “0% Meat”. A Chik-Fil-A is “0% Beef”, but would that be okay for a vegan?

    Just an asshole looking to win the lottery. And the vegan who hired him.

    CB

  31. Where did he think the veggie patties were prepared? In the special vegan-friendly kitchen next to the regular kitchen?

    1. “kitchen next to the regular kitchen”

      Too Jew?

  32. Now, Musonius Rufus the Roman philosopher – *there* was a vegetarian:

    “He argued that the purpose of food is to nourish and strengthen the body and to sustain life, not to provide pleasure….

    “…a meat-based diet is too crude for human beings and is more suitable for wild beasts. Those who eat relatively large amounts of meat seemed slow-witted to Musonius.

    “…Musonius was of the opinion that those who eat the least expensive food can work harder, are the least fatigued by working, become sick less often, tolerate cold, heat, and lack of sleep better, and are stronger, than those who eat expensive food.”

    https://www.iep.utm.edu/musonius/

    1. Oh, and IIRC he strolled into a mob of angry soldiers trying to overthrow the government, and rebuked them for fighting fellow-Romans when they should be fighting foreigners instead.

      They threw soy at him.

      I made that last paragraph up, but not I think the first.

  33. What a fucken prick! Did he even get sick off of eating a meat cross contaminated pseudo meat burger? Where’s the actual damage claim here? If he didn’t get what he thought he ordered, shouldn’t a refund and apology from burger king followed by him vowing to not go to burger king again and telling his vegan friends about this be sufficient? This is typical leftist snowflake garbage trying to push their lifestyle on everyone via lawsuits, pretty much the same as the gay wedding cake lawsuit.
    That being said, I hardly feel for burger king either. When they decide to start catering to hypersensitive vegans and vegetarians something like this is almost inevitable. It almost serves them right for trying to reinvent themselves and pandering to the politically correct diet crowd.

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      1. “I am sure that none of the chains have separate preparation areas or grills.”

        Yet I’m sure that they have separate sanitation facilities for women along side of the normal ones.

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  37. I have never seen anything from BK, including their ads, that indicated this plant-based product is vegan or vegetarian or anything other than a plant based thing. Anyone who has ever been inside a BK facility can see that they flame grill food on a single conveyor. This clown is wasting public resources and unnecessarily clogging up the court system.

    1. +100

    2. “I have never seen anything from BK, including their ads, that indicated this plant-based product is vegan or vegetarian or anything other than a plant based thing.”

      This is the problem. BK wants to attract customers who don’t want to eat meat but won’t take the steps to accommodate vegans.

    3. Let’s hope the lawsuit is summarily dismissed as being without merit.

  38. I want to support Impossible and Beyond, but both of them signed an anti-gun petition sent to the White House.

    It makes sense–if they succeed in banning guns, that means hunting will be dramatically reduced, and that means that they will have successfully used the state to force consumers to buy more of their products.

    Also, environmentalists tend to be leftist authoritarians anyway.

  39. What are the odds that Williams wears tight pants and carries a man purse?

    1. “Never tell me the odds”

    2. And wears a “man” bun? You know…the reason they call it a man bun is that it’s difficult to determine the gender of those who wear it, so it must be clarified.

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  41. No! They did not tell a whopper! They never once stated, indicated, promised, hinted, or otherwise assert that their meatless patty would be strictly orthodox Vegan. For those who don’t know, Orthodox Vegans must separate their cooking utensils from those that have ever touched meat. Restaurants that serve “Vegan” meals will either be Vegan only, or have entirely separate sets of pots, pans, dishes, and even dishwashers.

    Burger King never promised that. They only promised a meatless burger. Suck it, bastards.

    p.s. This fiasco reminds when a lawyer threatened to sue my and my employer for not serving “vegetarian” pizza in our pizza establishment.

    1. “Burger King never promised that. ”

      Burger King wants to attract vegan customers. Suck it, bastards.

      1. Not really. I think this is more about keeping health conscious consumers who want to convince themselves that eating at a place like Burger King is healthy. Which is likely a bigger demographic than actual vegans. Especially since they never mention the word vegan in their marketing.

        1. “Especially since they never mention the word vegan in their marketing.”

          But they say “meatless,” don’t they? You can market to vegans that way as well. They don’t respond so readily to “healthy,” which doesn’t really capture the idea of meatlessness that is important to vegans. I think BK would like to see more vegan customers and health conscious customers, and these are not necessarlly the same thing. A health conscious customer may not have any problem eating meat, but a vegan customer would.

  42. Williams’ damages are being Williams.

  43. Law perfessers ought to study math and physics. Zero percent is a statement about rounding errors and measurements, not abstract absolutes. Many believe a 0 probability makes a thing impossible. But if you imagine a needle spinning in a circle marked off in real numbers, nothing says the needle can’t stop pointed at exactly 1, but the probability is zero. Physicists assure us of the hopelessness of trying to prove the thing is pointed at exactly zero and will trot out Plank and Heisenberg, NOT the Tennessee statute setting pi equal to 3.

  44. If you are vegan (and possess a sense of humor regarding your dietary choices), or you like a song which makes fun of vegans, then you really should listen to this very humorous song (explicit lyrics)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JGMUAsv6js

  45. Regardless of what your preferred protein may be, look at the nutrition information. Yeah, I’m a meat eater, and I must admit I have had some good Vegan dishes. The Impossible Whopper has more calories than the standard Whopper, by a long shot. I may be 65, but I’m “Woke” when it comes to nutrition. Any “Vegan” that eats at a fast food joint is not too bright too begin with.

    1. + ANYBODY who eats, more than very occasionally, at a fast-food joint, whatever their dietary preferences, is not very bright.

  46. Always thought Vegans were hypocritical assholes. They don’t eat meat, but they package their products to imitate meat products like burgers, sausage, etc. Tells me they really want a burger but are too stuck up to get a real one.

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