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After El Paso and Dayton Shootings, Threatened Crackdowns on Guns, Immigrants, and Internet Speech

Plus: the trouble with "national conservatism," the decline of the mortgage interest deduction, and more...

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The answer to a murderer targeting immigrants is…more immigration control, according to the president. On Monday morning, Donald Trump reacted to the two recent mass shootings by offering what sounds like a quid pro quo to liberals: Give me my border plans, and I'll give you gun control.

This weekend saw two mass shootings in America, the first in El Paso, Texas, and the second in Dayton, Ohio. We cannot let the victims of these shootings "die in vain," Trump tweeted. "Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying…this legislation with desperately needed immigration reform."

The Dayton killing spree doesn't have any known connection to immigration and would not have been changed by stricter background checks. The shooter—Connor Betts, 24—killed his sister and eight others while wounding 27 more people after opening fire in the city's popular Oregon District on Saturday night. "The guns had been legally purchased, police said, and there was nothing in Betts's background that would have raised concerns—he had only traffic tickets, for speeding and failing to yield," notes The Washington Post.

The man arrested for the El Paso shooting, 21-year-old Patrick Crusius, opened fire in a Walmart on Saturday, killing 20 people and wounding more than two dozen others. This time, immigrants were involved—as the target of the suspected shooter's hate.

As Eric Boehm noted here over the weekend, Crusius apparently published "a hate-filled diatribe in which he called Hispanics 'invaders' and criticized the supposed takeover of the U.S. government by pro-immigrant corporations." NBC has reported that "law enforcement was analyzing the document before the shooting began but were unable to verify the author's identity or potential target in advance."

The "manifesto" was hosted on the forum 8chan. Web hosting company Cloudflare subsequently announced that it would be terminating 8chan's account.

"In the case of the El Paso shooting, the suspected terrorist gunman appears to have been inspired by the forum website known as 8chan," wrote Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince in a blog post:

Based on evidence we've seen, it appears that he posted a screed to the site immediately before beginning his terrifying attack on the El Paso Walmart killing 20 people.

Unfortunately, this is not an isolated incident. Nearly the same thing happened on 8chan before the terror attack in Christchurch, New Zealand. The El Paso shooter specifically referenced the Christchurch incident and appears to have been inspired by the largely unmoderated discussions on 8chan which glorified the previous massacre. In a separate tragedy, the suspected killer in the Poway, California synagogue shooting also posted a hate-filled "open letter" on 8chan. 8chan has repeatedly proven itself to be a cesspool of hate.

8chan is among the more than 19 million Internet properties that use Cloudflare's service. We just sent notice that we are terminating 8chan as a customer effective at midnight tonight Pacific Time. The rationale is simple: they have proven themselves to be lawless and that lawlessness has caused multiple tragic deaths. Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.

Prince seems to suffer from the common delusion that absent some particular platform, bigots and monsters won't find a place to spew hatefulness and won't wind up acting on their worst impulses. There is no evidence this is true, and a vast number of forums and tools in the digital sphere where these folks can find refuge.

As Prince himself has noted, Cloudflare decided two years ago to terminate account services for the far-right site The Daily Stormer. "That caused a brief interruption in the site's operations but they quickly came back online using a Cloudflare competitor. That competitor at the time promoted as a feature the fact that they didn't respond to legal process. Today, the Daily Stormer is still available and still disgusting. They have bragged that they have more readers than ever. They are no longer Cloudflare's problem, but they remain the Internet's problem," Prince wrote.

Cloudflare can obviously do as it pleases as a private company, and the fact that companies can choose which messages to broadcast is a good thing. But Prince's description of the Daily Stormer episode showcases the futility in acting like this is some sort of salve for maniacal violence.

The company's decision to dump 8chan, meanwhile, goes beyond the precedent set with Daily Stormer. The latter is a site specifically dedicated to white supremacy, while the former is merely an open forum where some odious people communicate. Canceling web venues where some users are awful will shut down social media as we know it really quickly.

"In 2019 8chan is no longer a refuge for extremist hate—it is a window opening onto a much broader landscape of racism, radicalization and terrorism," suggests Buzzfeed's Ryan Broderick. "Shutting down the site is unlikely to eradicate this new extremist culture, because 8chan is anywhere. Pull the plug, it will appear somewhere else, in whatever locale will host it. Because there's nothing particularly special about 8chan, there are no content algorithms, hosting technology immaterial. The only thing radicalizing 8chan users are other 8chan users."



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Will Wilkinson opposes the new "national conservatism": 

The practical implication of the nationalist's entitled perspective is that unifying social reconciliation requires submission to a vision of national identity flatly incompatible with the existence and political equality of America's urban multicultural majority. That's a recipe for civil war, not social cohesion.

More here.



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The mortgage interest deduction is dying and nobody cares. "A beloved tax break bound tightly to the American dream of homeownership, [it] once seemed politically invincible," say New York Times business writers Jim Tankersley and Ben Casselman.

Then it nearly vanished in middle-class neighborhoods across the country, and it appears that hardly anyone noticed….The people selling and buying homes do not seem to care much that President Trump's signature tax overhaul effectively, although indirectly, vaporized a longtime source of government support for homeowners and housing prices.

The 2017 law nearly doubled the standard deduction—to $24,000 for a couple filing jointly—on federal income taxes, giving millions of households an incentive to stop claiming itemized deductions.

As a result, far fewer families—and, in particular, far fewer middle-class families—are claiming the itemized deduction for mortgage interest. In 2018, about one in five taxpayers claimed the deduction, Internal Revenue Service statistics show. This year, that number fell to less than one in 10.


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  1. Give me my border plans, and I’ll give you gun control.

    Our most libertarian president.

    1. Well we know, among other things, Trump is a wild card. If his bump stock ban a la executive order in any indication, you might

      1. …want to stock up on high capacity mags, if you’re into such things.

        1. First they come for the websites, then they steal your magazines. It is a writer’s worst nightmare.

          In local news, the Jerusalem Post reported that Thursday is Jabotinsky Day. Born in 1880, he began his career writing a column in the Odesskije Novosti that resembled a modern blog. He became a Zionist around the time of the 1903 Kishinev and eventually became in charge of Zionist press efforts in Turkey before leading Jewish self-defense efforts in Jerusalem during the 1920 Arab riots.

          1. Dayton’s Oregon District has the night clubs and art scene. Maybe the shooter was inspired by the Christian political leaders who got a Mashrou Leila concert cancelled this past weekend.

            Anyway, I might act like a Quaker at the Catholic mass down the road on Sunday in response to that cancellation.

        2. So what do “we” now know about the evidently fieldcraft-trained Las Vegas shooter–other than dead people and an injured Second Amendment?

      2. ITT, Hihn shits everywhere.

    2. The Democrats are never going to give him his border control in return for gun control. Trump knows that. But by making the offer he makes Democrats reveal that they consider open borders more important than gun control. That makes there “oh my God we must do something to stop our children dying” ring a bit hollow doesn’t it?

      Contrast this to the usual Republican methods which are demand everything they want in return for nothing, act shocked when the Democrats refuse to roll over and surrender for nothing, then watch the Democrats demagogue the issue eventually causing the Republicans to back down and give the Democrats everything they want. Trump seems to be the only Republican who understands how politics and negotiations actually work.

      1. One hopes your analysis is correct.

      2. I hope you are right on this; either Trump is that helium filled baby in a parade or he actually has some strategy behind his seemingly feckless and random tweet storms.

        1. I don’t think it is a question of being right about Trump. It is about being right about the Democrats. Trump could be sincere in this and it wouldn’t matter if the Democrats won’t make the deal. So, the question is would the Democrats ever call his bluff and take him up on it. And I think there is no way on earth they would do that. Open borders are too dear to a goal for them and they don’t think they should ever have to give up anything to get something.

          1. Beyond that… Both parties have proven that they want the issue to fight about more than the solution.

            1. And that is really a shame. I think background checks are a loathsome and unconstitutional idea. In fairness, the other side thinks the same about enforcing immigration law. So, if there really could be a deal where I suck it up and live with background checks but in return they suck it up and actually do something about the border, I wouldn’t like it but I could live with it because it would at least address a problem.

              These sorts of deals is how politics in a Republic are supposed to work. No one likes the result but everyone can live with it. Our Republic has broken down because politicians as you say would rather fight about an issue than solve it. Also, they become victim of their own hyperbole. If you claim every issue is life and death, and they do on both sides, it then becomes impossible to compromise because a good chunk of your supporters believe you.

              1. So, if there really could be a deal where I suck it up and live with background checks but in return they suck it up and actually do something about the border, I wouldn’t like it but I could live with it because it would at least address a problem.

                And those who value individual liberty get… nothing? Sounds like it’s likely to pass when you think about it in from that perspective.

                1. Yeah the people who don’t believe in borders get nothing. But since you don’t believe in laws or a nation state, it is hard to see how you could ever get anything, because what you want is nuts. Fanatics generally don’t get what they want in a Republic. Denying the fanatics is kind of the whole point of a Republic.

                  1. Yeah, the best activists set a specific goal and a limited monthly time budget for it and realize that results take years.

              2. “I think background checks are a loathsome and unconstitutional idea. In fairness, the other side thinks the same about enforcing immigration law. ”

                That’s nice and all, but in fairness, only one side has any actual textual basis for their claims, (The side that actually has the 2nd amendment to cite.) the other side is just making it up because their position is that the Constitution just auto-magically means whatever they think would be good policy.

                1. +100

          2. True. The progtards have gone all in on open borders. There is no way they can cave on that now. Especially going into an election cycle.

      3. “The Democrats are never going to give him his border control in return for gun control.”

        No they are not. This not negotiations this is extortion. Let me treat brown skinned asylum seekers badly and I will give you background checks. No deal. We need a clean bill for background checks, limits on assault style rifles, and control of large capacity magazines. Nothing less. We need comprehensive immigration reform. Nothing less.

        1. Sorry but you have to do something called win some elections to get everything you want. If you won’t compromise, great, you will get nothing and like it. And meanwhile, Trump won at the Supreme Court and is building his wall and using diplomatic pressure to stem the flow of asylum seekers before they get here.

          So Trump is going to get nearly everything he wants and you will get nothing. Life is hard if you are stupid I guess and especially hard when you have an opponent willing to take advantage of that.

          1. Note to foreign readers: dimmer readers confuse hiring looter politicians with “winning” elections. The Prohibition and People’s parties got the 16th and 18th Amendments passed with abt 2% on average of spoiler votes. The LP stopped Dixiecrat Comstock laws from again banning birth control with fewer than 4000 votes cast in 1972. That’s winning elections.

        2. Also, you are apparently willing to let Americans die in gun violence to let illegal immigrants into the country. Good to know where your priorities lie.

        3. To paraphrase “elections have consequences motherfucker”

        4. So what you’re saying is that it’s your way or nothing? Kindly go fuck yourself, then, and prepare for the coming civil war.

        5. Yes please stick to this narrative. There’s millions of democrats who have and love their guns and work in areas where they’re being pushed out by automation and cheaper labor.

          Please continue to race bait and negotiate like a child.

        6. “We need a clean bill for background checks, limits on assault style rifles, and control of large capacity magazines. Nothing less. We need comprehensive immigration reform. Nothing less.”

          You can have nothing and like it.

          Thankfully none of your inane ideas will become reality.

          1. We already tried limits on assault style rifles. Didn’t make a difference.

            1. 30% of them were loopholed out.
              But thanks for admitting such a ban is constitutional. The NRA was totally powerless for ten long years

              1. After Heller, banning “scary looking” guns is unlikely to pass constitutional muster.

                1. “Scary looking guns” is how right-wing wackos lie about (a) the law and (b) Heller.

                  In Heller Scalia affirmed the 1939 ruling that 2A defends only the modern version of guns brought from home for militia service ..
                  the equivalent of pistols and flintlocks.

                  Are you also clueless about the assault weapons ban, which the NRA was totally helpless against, for 10 long years?

                  Never pull that shit on an informed libertarian.

      4. Trump seems to be the only Republican who understands how politics and negotiations actually work.

        His method seems inscrutable to those who spend their lives in politics or punditry, but it’s easily recognizable to those who live in the real world.

      5. But by making the offer he makes Democrats reveal that they consider open borders more important than gun control. That makes there “oh my God we must do something to stop our children dying” ring a bit hollow doesn’t it?

        I hope it’s a feint to get a few congressional signatures on a bill that says, “We want to strip Americans’ of their rights.” so that when the immigration debate boils down to preserving American culture you’ve got signatures on the “Fuck your American rights.”

        Otherwise, he will likely be setting fire to a significant portion of his base.

        1. I think it is going to be a feint whether he intends it to be or not because the Democrats are nuts and won’t ever call his bluff or do anything but demand everything they want with no concessions.

        2. That’s true, and while the NRA was ready to throw bump stock owners under the bus, I think that’s about the limit of how much gun control they can afford to endorse without a mass desertion of members.

        3. Leonard Peikoff explained in a debate that 1933 Germany was full of looters who wanted to crush property rights and mystical conservatives eager to crush individual rights. Hitler said “gentlemen, you’re BOTH right, let’s have total control.”

          1. Was that supposed to be clever?

            1. Yes. Sad, isn’t it?

          2. Hitler also thought that the people owning guns was a bad idea and did away with it.

            Just sayin’.

      6. Interesting take and I suspect you are right. Over the last couple months, I’ve become impressed with how Trump has managed to make ‘open-borders with welfare’ the de-facto Democratic platform.

        Whether he wins or loses, 2020 will go down as the year the native-born working class broke Republican and never went back.

      7. My god, you guys get more delusional by the day thinking Trump is some kind of master negotiator. How’s that wall that Mexico paid for coming sparky?

        The level of ignorance in this place anymore is simply astounding. And the worst part is it’s willful.

      8. If I were Nancy, I would just staple some gun control legislation to a piece of immigration reform that the Democrats actually want (like Rand Paul’s BELIEVE act) and then see if Trump is dumb enough to eat it.

    3. Hello.

      That Cloudflare CEO is a moron.

      1. The deplatforming movement marches on.

        We used to say, liberty rests on 3 boxes: The soap box, the ballot box, and the cartridge box. They’re taking away the soap box in order to take away the ballot box. That’s going to leave only one box left, if they’re successful.

        1. +100000000

    4. “Our most libertarian president.”
      Unfortunately, that’s true.

      1. Silent Cal, hardest hit.

        1. Well, for a very long time.

        2. Coolidge signed the Increased Penalties Act dubbed the 5&10 law. It made beer a felony with 5 years on a chain gang and a fine equivalent to 30 pounds of gold–TWO DAYS before Bert Hoover’s inauguration. Within 2 weeks “Stock Market Crash” entered the lexicon as Al Capone was questioned about income taxes.

          1. Seek help.

    5. Sorry Trump, but we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

      1. Except for iran right?

        1. No, we just pay them billions of dollars in protection money.

          1. That wasn’t “we”, that was “him”.
            The least Libertarian president ever except for the other democrats.

        2. Arrafat.

      2. That’s right. When we negotiate with them, they magically become freedom fighters. Or possibly statesmen.

    6. How’s that trade war going? *checks stock market* Ah. I see. All according to plan.

      1. China devalued their currency.

        Its about to get even better for the USA.

        1. I thought currency manipulation was one of the big issues with China? How is this a good thing if you want to WIN at trade?

          1. It’s gonna be bad for everyone, but what really matters is Trump looking tough on China.

            1. They just kicked his ass into Virginia!

  2. “Republicans and Democrats must come together and get strong background checks, perhaps marrying…this legislation with desperately needed immigration reform.”

    The most traditional of marriages.

    1. So, the border wall would function as a marital aid.

      1. No unprotected immigration?

  3. Cloudflare decided two years ago to terminate account services for the far-right site The Daily Stormer.

    Is that where all the fucking wingnuts here came from?

    1. What is cloudflare going to cut off your supply of child porn or something you sick fuck?

    2. Weren’t you banned for admitting you post kiddie porn yesterday?

      1. He doesn’t care, he gets banned constantly and violates Reason’s property rights immediately after.

        1. I like eating shit.

          1. How cute, I pissed off palin.

          2. And spoofing people too Shreek.

            1. He did the same thing to Sevo yesterday. He really is subhuman garbage.

              1. Gives credence to the notion that most trolls like Palin’s buttlug, Tony, and Hihn are reason staff using socks to boost web traffic.

                A few staff has access to accounts and passwords, so the handle spoofing looks so natural.

  4. The 2017 law nearly doubled the standard deduction—to $24,000 for a couple filing jointly—on federal income taxes, giving millions of households an incentive to stop claiming itemized deductions.

    It turns out taxpayers don’t give a shite why they’re keeping more of their money.

    1. Tax preparers hardest hit.

      1. Resale used underwear market from thriftstore donations harder hit.

        1. There goes the gnome economy.

  5. A French guy just crossed the English channel on a jet-powered hoverboard.

    But he wasn’t Muslim so the Limeys sent him back.

    1. Nice.

  6. We know the Dayton shooter was a left wing nut job but somehow that didn’t make the cut of pertinent information

    1. Well what do you want Ryan, it’s not like it was all over his social media, and very well known by everyone who knew him.

      Oh wait…

      1. The narrative. Dont forget the narrative. Cant make the 2020 demo candidates look political with s shooting. Must cover for them.

    2. Ever notice how nearly ALL these shooters are altruists, religious fanatics and collectivists? The Nixon-subsidized looter media doesn’t. They blame the 1st Amendment, the 2nd Amendment, and Leisure Suit Larry.

      1. “altruists, religious fanatics and collectivists”

        It is actually pretty amazing that these people aim at private citizens rather than the government entities that aren’t providing what they claim to need

  7. The Federal Communications Commission voted to ban international robocalls.

    Roboprotectionism.

    1. Yeah, they were taking jobs away from American bots.

    2. And you know if something is banned, it will never happen again.

  8. http://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/

    So the Dayton shooter was a Satanist, socialist Bernie fan. But it’s Trump’s fault!!

    1. Well we wouldn’t need Antifa if not for Trump

      / idiots

    2. If Lefties need to shoot people in Ohio to put the state in motion for Election 2020 and get more gun control, then the ends justify the means.

      I figured something was up when after two shootings a few hours apart, the MSM Propagandists focused far more no the El Paso shooting.

  9. On the promise of artificial wombs.

    If you think the abortion debate is bad now, just wait until there’s no practical excuse.

  10. http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/274519/el-paso-shooter-wanted-kill-people-save-daniel-greenfield

    A manifesto, allegedly posted by Patrick Crusius, the El Paso shooter, claimed that he was acting, among other things, in defense of the environment.

    “The American lifestyle affords our citizens an incredible quality of life. However, our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations,” the El Paso shooter wrote.

    “This phenomenon is brilliantly portrayed in the decades old classic ‘The Lorax'”, Crusius wrote, citing a children’s story commonly used as a text by environmentalists.

    “Fresh water is being polluted from farming and oil drilling operations. Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste and electronic waste, and recycling to help slow this down is almost non-existent,” he ranted.
    “We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands. Everything I have seen and heard in my short life has led me to believe that the average American isn’t willing to change their lifestyle, even if the changes only cause a slight inconvenience. The government is unwilling to tackle these issues beyond empty promises since they are owned by corporations.”

    The guy sounds like a real Trump supporter.

    1. Ummm… Barbaloots in their Barbaloot suits aren’t real.

      1. Denier.

    2. “…We even use god knows how many trees worth of paper towels just wipe water off our hands…”

      Well, now that plastic straws are outlawed, at least we’re saving the plastic trees!

      1. Yes, God knows how many trees; so do the paper companies that planted them as a crop years ago.

        Do you object to eating corn because corn stalks are cut down?
        Do you even object to burning corn as a fuel instead of using it as food?

    3. It’s not really a coincidence that a lot of these mass shooters are deeply autistic.

      1. I don’t think it is. I think what happened with the kid in Florida probably happens a lot in these cases. There they seemed the school and every adult around him seemed to have told the kid he was violent and couldn’t ever be trusted. To a large degree this became his identity and a self fulfilling prophecy. We are clearly doing something very wrong in how we handle young men who have autism or some level of mental illness.

        1. The identity of the Dayton shooter surprised almost nobody who’d known him, while the identity of the El Paso shooter sounds like it was a surprise. Nobody thought of him as violent — just a nerdy loner who’d been picked on in school for many years. AFAIK he had no previous record of violence. People weren’t avoiding him because they feared violence but just because he was weird. But yes, the culture is clearly not supporting these kinds of guys well at all, and the main reason to do better is not just to prevent the one in a million nerdy loners from going postal, but to ease the suffering of the other 999,999.

          1. But yes, the culture is clearly not supporting these kinds of guys well at all, and the main reason to do better is not just to prevent the one in a million nerdy loners from going postal, but to ease the suffering of the other 999,999.

            I completely agree.

            1. Yeah.

          2. There is truly a cultural, or more than one, underpinning that is the real issue. Background checks, if they incorporated high qualify observations of 15-18 year olds might stop a portion of these.

            I haven’t seen anyone calling on the privacy rights of minors to be shredded and that is what is required.

            But for the other half of these — like you say — there is a real problem with a subset of young men in this country. That is a much more complex problem. Not enough support, not enough options for treatment, perhaps too much being told their gender is bad/evil, too much social taboo on getting mental help? I don’t know the answer.

            I do know that “gun control” won’t do anything unless it is total gun confiscation. Good luck with that.

            1. I wonder how many of these kids who do blow a gasket are from divorced parents.

              1. I wonder how many are from parents that should have divorced long ago but didn’t.

                1. None that I have seen.

            2. Background checks, if they incorporated high qualify observations of 15-18 year olds might stop a portion of these.

              The issue with this is the “highly qualified” part, especially if you’re relying on mental health workers. Social sciences for years have had an issue with replicability, so there’s a good chance that the observer in your scenario is making decisions based on junk research. You might as well rely on priests, bartenders, or anyone else who talks to people for a living.

              1. You might as well rely on priests, bartenders, or anyone else who talks to people for a living.

                I think you would be better off relying on such people. Psychology is a cargo cult.

      2. I know what you mean. The average American special ed classroom is a radicalization camp. Do you know what happens when an autistic boy spends a decade listening to the political views of his ADHD classmate while the teacher is busy painting his nails?

        1. The intense lack of social awareness and tendency to hyper-focus on a few select topics in their stupid manifestos are what stands out about these guys. You can tell their entire social circle is a virtual one, not actual flesh and blood people.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if the key to combatting autism is simply to get your kids out of the house and into the world. Trying to prevent “overstimulation” is probably retarding them more than helping them. And get them off the fucking digital devices so they actually learn how to think on their own instead of being passive sponges.

    4. Umm, who said recently that it is ok to riot if you run out of clean water? And by “riot” Alexandria meant throwing explosive devices.

      https://www.timesofisrael.com/4500-protest-at-gaza-border-rioters-hurl-explosive-devices-toward-idf-troops/

  11. Ah, yes. The eternal search for the quick easy solution to a problem the human race hasn’t been able to solve over its entire existence. Good luck with that.

    1. We just need to ban crime. Why is crime still allowed?

      1. Allowing crime should be a crime.

      2. It’s easy to get rid of crime. Repeal all laws and there will be no crime, because everything will be legal.

        1. Spoken like a true libertarian.

          1. Why do you say “true libertarians” are bat-shit crazy?

    2. It’s disingenuous to write off gun control simply because it can’t completely “solve” the problem of human violence. There’s compelling evidence that gun control measures do reduce violent crime. If you think less death is preferable to more death – if you recognize the importance of degrees instead of insisting that it’s all or nothing – that’s probably worth thinking about.

      1. That evidence is so “compelling”, that only people who already want gun control can refrain from laughing at it.

      2. “There’s compelling evidence that gun control measures do reduce violent crime.”

        While that isn’t true, it IS true of aborting black babies.

      3. “There’s compelling evidence that gun control measures do reduce violent crime.”

        No, there isn’t.

        *barf*

        1. (laughing at the brainwashed tool of the political elite.)

          Intentional Homicide Rates (Latest available, UN) Per 100,000 population.
          5.3 United States
          3.0 Europe and Asia (each)
          1.7 Canada
          0.9 UK

          Have you ever considered that you MIGHT be manipulated? Even a little? How would you even know, so deep in a tribal cave?

          FACT: England’s 2nd gun control (1996) saw ONE mass shooting in 22 years
          Adjust for population (5:1) and they had 5 shootings in 22 years … We had 250 in 7 months. Do the math.
          Mass Shootings Per year
          UK = 0.2 per year
          US = 426.7 per year = 2,130,000% higher mass shootings
          But YOU “think” gun control has never worked. Anywhere! OMfG! As you SHIT on “Sanctity of Life” for political posturing.
          (Australia had one in 23 years).

          *BARF

      4. I’ve been thinking about it since the 1980s, when I first became a gun owner. I’ve made compromises with gun controllers (yes, I have, fuck their propaganda that says otherwise) and I’ve obeyed all of their unconstitutional gun control laws.

        Yet, here we are…

      5. “”There’s compelling evidence that gun control measures do reduce violent crime.””

        Yeah, London is a good example of that.

        1. ANOTHER CRAZY FUCKUP!!!
          Intentional Homicide Rates (Latest available, UN) Per 100,000 population.
          5.3 United States
          0.9 UK

          Have you ever considered that you MIGHT be manipulated? Even a little? How would you even know, deep in a tribal cave?

          FACT: England’s 2nd gun control (1996) saw ONE mass shooting in 22 years
          Adjust for population (5:1) and they had 5 shootings in 22 years … We had 250 in 7 months. Do the math.
          Mass Shootings Per year
          UK = 0.2 per year
          US = 426.7 per year = 2,130,000% higher mass shootings
          But YOU “think” gun control has never worked. Anywhere! OMG
          (Australia had one in 23 years).

          AND LONDON COPS PATROL, UNARMED. OMG
          Your puppetmaster has humiliated you again.

          Are you ALSO crazy enough to believe London has “no-go” zones, becauSe of Muslim extremists? (pees pants laughing)

          1. Leave it to a leftie to think correlation = causation.

            1. LAME. COWARDLY. INFANTILE.

            2. Leave it to a leftie to think correlation = causation.

              Leave it to a Trumptard to INSIST that having no gun DOES NOT mean you CANNOT shoot somebody … with a gun you don’t have!!!

              Poor losers be funny

  12. “Even if 8chan may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.”

    “Even if Congress may not have violated the letter of the law in refusing to moderate their hate-filled community, they have created an environment that revels in violating its spirit.”

    1. I find it interesting how we have one group of people claiming that websites that don’t moderate discussions means the government needs to get involved, and another group claiming websites that DO moderate discussions means the government needs to get involved

      1. Excelent point KS of course the goal is to moderate all speech no matter where it comes from. and speaking of moderating hate speech when will that also extend to liberals in congress and universities who have been spewing hate towards anyone who disagrees with them.

        1. Crazy right-wingers are indeed that fascist … and the proof is all down this page!

          Left – Right = Zero

  13. Web hosting company Cloudflare subsequently announced that it would be terminating 8chan’s account.

    Future law enforcement and Twitter journalists will be scratching their heads trying to figure out a shooter’s motivations.

    1. TRY and make a lick of sense.

  14. At least there’s some good news this morning. From the Democratic Socialists of America:

    DSA delegates overwhelmingly voted for resolutions that call for open borders and endorsing a Green New Deal program.

    The progressive / libertarian alliance for open borders continues to gain momentum.

    #VoteDemocratForOpenBorders

    1. How can you post from DSA after the huge kerfuffle of their use of binary pronouns yesterday?

      1. Because like all committed Koch / Reason libertarians, I support #ImmigrationAboveAll.

    2. Banning home construction and letting people in without giving them a pathway to citizenship. Hmmm in related news, some donor countries are cutting funds for that UN agency that runs schools for refugees from the 1948 and 1967 wars.

      1. It’s crackers to slip a rozzer, the dropsy in snide!

  15. It’s the beginning of the end!

    “Town halls could decide next steps in bid to open impeachment probe”
    […]
    “WASHINGTON — Freshman Democratic Rep. Andy Kim came face to face with impeachment fervor at a town hall in New Jersey.
    “Do your job!” shouted one voter.
    Several states away, a woman held up a copy of special counsel Robert Mueller’s report and told freshman Rep. Elissa Slotkin at a Michigan town hall she hoped she would “be the person that puts us over the top to start an impeachment inquiry.”
    https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Town-halls-could-decide-next-steps-in-bid-to-open-14279698.php

    The walls are closing in!

    1. The walls are closing in on all of the freshman House members who campaigned in 2018 on not being crazy.

      1. They just need to say that an “impeachment inquiry” is effectively underway already and that it would be unnecessary to do a symbolic vote.

        Boom, #2moreyears

    2. Andy Kim?

      Rock him gently.

  16. The Supreme Court will decide whether non-unanimous juries in criminal cases are constitutional.

    By yet another 5-4 decision.

    1. Funny.

      Of course, the Supreme Court justices don’t have their lives on the line with the outcome of those votes.

    2. Honestly, this seems like it could go either way.

  17. Bernie Sanders isn’t my first choice, exhibit #327.

    Here’s my message to the Walton family: End your greed. Pay everyone at Walmart a living wage of $15 an hour.

    It’s great that Democrats are embracing the Koch / Reason position on immigration, but too many still want to raise the minimum wage. The key to a strong economy, of course, is unlimited immigration and no minimum wage at all.

    #BillionairesKnowBest

    1. Says the guy who refuses to do the same for his campaign workers. Irony is really ironic sometimes.

    2. Well, that and the fact that he thinks Baltimore is a “third world country”

      1. That’s Trump who says that. (giggle)

    3. How does he know if the Walton family is driven by greed?

      I smell projection.

      IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION WITH THE LEFT.

    4. Like any socialist Bernie is also anti-immigration, he dismisses open borders as a “Koch brothers proposal.” Once you buy into collectivism of any type – whether it’s Trump-style nationalism, Bernie-style socialism, or anything in between – conclusions that demand “us vs them” thinking are inevitable.

  18. So what was up with chemkuni shitting up the board this weekend thinking it wasn’t ovlbvous to everyone that it was Jeff socking?

  19. It is no secret that the mess in the medical market was a result of government market distortion (wage freezes) continuing after WWII; thank you, FDR and Truman.
    I’m going out on a limb here:
    Turns out Teslas are among the least stolen autos, and this is largely attributed to the recharging requirement; you pretty much have to own or have access to a garage with a charging station to keep from getting regular tows.
    OK, so what?
    Across the street from me, there’s a guy driving a Chevy Volt and parking it on the street. Doesn’t take a lot of thought to figure the guy works someplace where he can charge his car during working hours.
    So, via market distortion of EV subsidies, the government has again given incentive for employees to remain in the employment of X company for the benefits; ‘HOW CAN I CHANGE JOBS?! NO ONE ELSE OFFERS FREE CHARGING!!!’
    So the limb is pretty damn short; how long before ‘universal charging’ becomes the next ‘right’?

    1. You might have too much time on your hands.

    2. “how long before ‘universal charging’ becomes the next ‘right’”

      The day after all fossil fuels are outlawed. Vote for a socialist.

    3. Volts have a small gas engine capable of recharging the electric motor or alternately driving the wheels. So it’s still a hybrid and not dependent on grid electricity.

  20. The idea of a civil war is so ridiculous to me. There’s progressives who live outside cities, there’s conservatives who live in cities… And both sets of people are perfectly capable of interacting with people whom they disagree with. Happens every day.

    It really is a shame that Reason has fallen into this beltway journo-bubble that is so far from reality. There’s a boredom within the beltway, a lack of natural dopamine and serotonin hits that results in manufactured chaos.

    It’s the same reason people read 50 shades of grey. Bored with your beta male dad bod of a husband? we present to you something far more stimulating….

    1. We had a civil war in 1861 because the states were very independent and the federal government was very weak. The federal government let the Southern states get away with one outrage after another up to and including turning their militias into private armies.

      Today the situation is entirely different. The states have no militias. The State National Guard are controlled by and loyal to the Defense Department. If a state ever tried to leave the Union, the President would declare an insurrection and the state’s own national guard would end it. Maybe some day in the future the state Guards will become more loyal to the state that they are to DOD, but we are a long ways from that. Until we get to that point, there will be no civil war, end of story.

      1. And even if a state wanted to leave, I don’t think the other 49 would vote against it. There’s nothing magical happening in silicon valley that can’t be reproduced elsewhere. China steals from them all the time.

        1. The only reason you keep California from leaving is that it is so corrupt and stupid it would end up being a Chinese protectorate within a decade. I really don’t want a Chinese navel base in San Francisco or San Diego. And that is exactly what would happen after the California government went tits up and had nowhere else to go.

          1. If California tries to leave on it’s own, I think you might find a majority of the remaining 49 states more than willing to sell California back to Mexico, for $-5.00.

            1. I would agree except for the fact that it would end up being owned by China.

      2. If a state ever tried to leave the Union, the President would declare an insurrection and the state’s own national guard would end it.

        Slightly disagreed. I don’t think it’s guaranteed that any given national guard would end it. I do think you’re right that any given two states’ NG forces wouldn’t unify in opposition to the Federal Government/DOD.

        1. The funny thing is that if there ever were a state whose NG sided with the state and not the feds, it would almost certainly be a red state resisting a Democratic federal government. The fact that NG members and the military rank and file in general are very conservative never seems to enter the fevered civil war dreams of progs.

          1. Also mystifying is why progs who find shooting the mild-recoiling AR-15 “traumatic” think a civil war with country good old boys who routinely kill their own game would go well for them.

            1. It’s SO “mystifying” to you that you lied about the issue. Shamelessly.

    2. It’s the same reason people read 50 shades of grey. Bored with your beta male dad bod of a husband? we present to you something far more stimulating….

      Just because you regret a few of your life decisions doesn’t mean we’ve all read 50 Shades.

      1. That book is amazingly classist. If I wrote a book about a blue collar guy who did the things that the guy in that book does, it would be called misogynistic revenge porn. But since the guy is a billionaire, it is somehow sexy and romantic.

      2. I do regret reading that book, sometimes you gotta dive into what the plebs are into… I wasn’t stupid enough to watch the movie.

    3. That explains the website of that German Muslim council.

  21. the FCC recommends Americans add their phone numbers to the National Do Not Call Registry by visiting http://www.donotcall.gov Opens a New Window. or calling 1-888-382-1222 from the phone number being registered. They estimate this step will reduce telemarketing calls within 31 days of registering the number.

    Emphasis added. How about renaming this enterprise the National Possible Reduction in Calls Registry?

    1. So 31 days for an automated update to a data base to take effect. Are the feds still using Commodore 64’s?

      1. I think the 31 days is for the changes to the list to propagate to all the telemarketers

  22. Canceling web venues where some users are awful will shut down social media as we know it really quickly.

    Looks like a Silver Lining to me.

    1. It is a misreading of what is happening..

      It is not “some users are awful”. It is “some users hold views that are not to be tolerated.” Note that nobody is deplatforming Antifa or PETA or Anonymous…

      1. They are trying to deplatform the Babylon Bee, a self identified satire site, as “fake news”.

        http://www.hollywoodintoto.com/snopes-left-fears-babylon-bee/

        1. “”Kimmel stands behind Griffin because they’re on the same ideological side. He wouldn’t dare mock Ocasio-Cortez, even if she’s the most mockable politician in our lifetime.”

          AOC is so mockable, even an 8 year old can do it.

          1. If there is a more pathetic person in entertainment that Kimmel, I can’t think of who it would be. My God what a pathetic shameless booklicker that guy is.

            1. Did he ever apologize for the “Karl Malone is an idiot” blackface bit he did?

        2. I disagree with this, however:

          Progressives take their partisan comedy seriously. It helps that they have a stranglehold on the comedy landscape. When David Spade announced he wouldn’t attack President Donald Trump it made headlines.

          Progressives DON’T have a stranglehold on the comedy landscape. That’s why they regularly attack both comedy and comedians.

          1. Just as crazy as conservatards. And just as authoritarian.

      2. Are you really comparing white supremacists with PETA? Come on.

        1. If the fur coat fits…

        2. Those two monikers alone say nothing about what each group is willing to do to have their vision realized.

          One might sit quietly in front of his 13″ black and white TV in the trailer park, bitching about the Chinks takin’ over, where the other one might be planning to send a bomb to a professor who’s involved in animal testing.

          Sure, it’s always easy to put racism at the top of the ‘bad’ hierarchy, but the resultant actions of different groups are what really matters.

          1. The hell does that have to do with the idea of PETA being “de-platformed” by a hosting provider? Cyto was saying this is a case of censoring ideas online, not about anyone sending bombs. My point is that it’s crazy to decry censorship of white supremacy by saying “well what about PETA?”

            1. I was responding explicitly to your comment in a vacuum. Your shock that someone would compare White Supremacists with PETA.

              1. He knew that. He just didn’t like it.

  23. What’s with the holding up the phone with your flashlight bullshit? Do people not have Bics or Zippos anymore? “Hey! Look at my phone spotlight! I care!!!”

    1. What, virtue signaling shouldn’t evolve along with the technology?

    2. “You do NOT care! My partner was raped under the light of a cell phone!”

  24. As Eric Boehm noted here over the weekend, Crusius apparently published “a hate-filled diatribe in which he called Hispanics ‘invaders’ and criticized the supposed takeover of the U.S. government by pro-immigrant corporations.”

    Having actually read the manifesto, I don’t think “hate-filled diatribe” is an accurate description of his comments. It’s certainly a more sane and well-reasoned argument than half the comments I read here. And it’s certainly more sane and well-reasoned than the arguments put forward by the people blaming the attack on Trump or on violent video games. Right or wrong, the guy sees a revolution occurring and wants to turn it into a civil war – i.e., there’s a war going on but only one side realizes there’s a war going on.

    I mean, Jesus Christ, when people like Bernie Sanders and AOC are touted by the media as reasonably main-stream, when Bill Clinton and even now Barack Obama are chided for being too conservative, when John Fucking McCain and Mitt Fucking Romney are right-wing extremists and racists and Nazis and white supremacists, you’ve lost your goddamn mind. Donald Trump gets up on his hind legs and brays that this country will never be socialist but doesn’t seem to realize that we’re about 99% there already and very little is being done to stop the movement. We’re about 40,000 Free Shit Brigade votes from seeing the end of the American experiment.

    1. “Right or wrong” lol. It takes a truly terminal case of internet brain worms to strike up a defense of that murderous fuck, all because the media is favorable to AOC or whatever.

      1. But enough about Obama.

    2. “It’s certainly a more sane and well-reasoned argument than half the comments I read here.”

      Not a particularly high bar you have set – – – – –

    3. The Unabomber scribbled an ecological national socialist manifesto. His sane brother recognized the screed immediately and identified him to the cops. Last I looked the guy was still living off of your individual income taxes. Every such manifesto reveals an altruist hypnotized by superstition or pseudoscience and persuaded that collectivism and the initiation of force are goood, individual rights baaad. Never are videogames or the web motives.

      1. “Every such manifesto reveals an altruist hypnotized by superstition or pseudoscience”

        So you’re saying Chipper Morning Massmurderer is going to be a thing?

        1. Nah.
          Eunuch is too much of a… eunuch

  25. Will Wilkinson opposes the new “national conservatism”

    I have to believe that the timeline where Richard Spencer is writing columns for the New York Times and Will Wilkinson is getting punched in the face probably has quite a bit to recommend it.

  26. Will Wilkinson is a fucking moron. You’d think he’d remember his high school history class, where “multiethnic urban” populations in the early 20th century did, in fact, adopt a nationalist loyalty to the US over a period of a few decades. The US stayed out of the League of Nations because of it.

    Ironically it wasn’t until after the US bought in on World Government-style institutions like the UN and ICC that the concept of a uniquely American identity came under open attack by the Left.

    1. True story. My roommate from college got his masters in Philosophy with Wilkerson at the University of Illinois. He was friends with Wilkerson but described him as a complete self promoting phony. One of the things Wilkerson bragged about was how he was a tour guide in college at some Mormon holy site. Wilkerson would just make things up to tell the people taking the tour to see how much he could lie to them and they continue to believe him.

      That kind of tells you everything you need to know about his personal integrity and what an all purpose asshole he actually is. But he does make up for it by being a moron.

      1. University of Northern Illinois.

      2. I kinda got all I needed to know from that incoherent nonsense in this morning’s links. Phew, that was the product of a disordered mind….

        1. Wilkerson has is own think tank. No kidding.

          1. He should have named it, “The Two-Watt Institute”.

      3. The irony further deepens in that the Niskanen Center wants to emulate Denmark-style government, not realizing that Denmark is an openly nationalist country and requires cultural indoctrination of it’s immigrants. They’re also putting their undesirable immigrants–the ones who are applications have been rejected– on a deserted island and telling them to fuck off.

        Wilkinson and the Niskanen Center are the embodiment of liberaltarian quisling ideology.

  27. Just watched El Jefe’s speech. We gonna git us some Future Crimes laws! Oh yeah, baby! And some o’dat violent video game campaign…Tipper Gore! Where you at?

    1. Heard it as well, the left is going to get what they want form a republican because they know if they tried to do it they would be shut down. thats how it always works when you want something done that you can’t do blow up a a situation where the other side will do it for you

    2. Tipper Gore! Where you at?

      Dating Bill Allen, the former editor of National Geographic.

    3. Fuck off Shreek.

  28. On the unanimous jury issue: where does “beyond a reasonable doubt” come from?

    Because if you can’t get a jury of your peers to agree, I would say that it is pretty self evident that reasonable doubt exists….

    1. I agree. If a reasonable person can conclude there is a doubt, and jurors are considered to be by definition reasonable people, there the government hasn’t proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. It is that simple.

    2. I see your point. But would you agree that some of your peers might be, um, unreasonable?

      1. If they are unreasonable, they shouldn’t be on the jury and the entire trial is tits up. You have to act under the assumption that every juror is a reasonable person. This is why you question them before the trial and strike anyone who has biases that would make them unreasonable.

        1. “This is why you question them before the trial . . .”
          That approach is the clearest and most compelling argument that the justice system is biased. The only reason to question jurors on any subject beyond a religious objection to capital punishment is to create a biased jury. All this process does is replace the possibility of a biased juror with the certainty of a biased juror, but a ‘good’ bias as defined by the prosecutor.
          What should happen is to split up the jury pool into random groups of a jury size plus alternates, and then assign them randomly to trials.

          1. In federal cases at least, the questioning is done by the judge. And the questions are about things like whether they know the parties and if they have ever been a victim of the sort of crime involved or if their family members have. I think it does a decent job of weeding out biases as well as can be expected.

  29. Should I even be surprised that Reason is positively orgasmic over the El Paso shooter’s manifesto and animus towards immigrants, yet strangely silent about the Dayton shooter’s far-Left ideology and support for Antifa?

    1. God forbid they ever just tell the fucking truth regardless of the beltway narrative.

    2. I haven’t heard anything on Fox News about “far left” sympathies of the Dayton shooter. They did mention something about his troubled high school days should have been a “flag” to get him help.

      1. Ever since the old man retired or died or whatever happened to him and the kids are running it, Fox News has drifted pretty far left. They still have rightwing people like Carlson with their own shows but the “news” part of it looks more like the Times or the Post than it looks like anything right wing.

  30. If you really, certainly, 100%-ly want to prevent anyone shooting a Latino illegal immigrant ever, never again then you have two options:

    1. Ban all guns for ever and ever.
    2. Ban all Latino illegal immigrants for ever and ever.

    Let your ideology du jour decide.

    Now go play outside while the grownups take care of things.

    1. Grownups don’t make crazy statements, based on an even crazier premise.

      If you really, certainly, 100%-ly want to prevent anyone shooting a Latino illegal immigrant ever, never again then you have two options:

      If that makes sense to you, then you have a single option. Your suicide would be a mercy killing

      1. “Grownups don’t make crazy statements, based on an even crazier premise.”

        “If that makes sense to you, then you have a single option. Your suicide would be a mercy killing”

        So you’re a child on top of being a idiot.

    2. I think reality states that you have to do both.

      And it still won’t work.

  31. Dr. Lonny Shavelson found that 70% of female heroin addicts were sexually abused in childhood.

    Post USA Civil War alcoholism was called “the soldiers disease”

    Addiction is a symptom of PTSD. Look it up.

    1. PTSD is not the sole cause of addiction.
      YOU look it up … or post a link to your source.

      1. I gave my sources and suggested additional reading.

        If you want to read.

        In your case I would suggest avoiding it. Especially if you have health issues.

        1. He kicked your ass! Your only link says NOTHING about PTSD … or anything else in your irrelevant comment.

          Call out a loser. See a bigger one.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano sees a loser whenever he looks in a mirror. That’s why no woman wanted to spend her life with him.

          2. You. It was YOUR sock puppet Hhn, and you lost. You got your sad old fucking teeth kicked in.

      2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano sees “symptom” and thinks that means “only.” That’s why he’s Dumbfuck Hihnsano, and will die alone and unloved.

        1. Ass Backwards again.

          https://reason.com/2019/08/05/after-el-paso-and-dayton-threatened-crackdowns-on-guns-immigrants-and-internet-speech/#comment-7880478

          Addiction is a symptom of PTSD. Look it up.

          PTSD is not the sole cause of addiction.
          YOU look it up … or post a link to your source.

          Then he fucking lied that he’d posted a link … but the link had nothing to do with PTSD!!!

          Pathetic.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano shows he can’t read, still class that ” a symptom” means “sole cause.”.

            Talk about pathetic.

      3. Fuck off Hihn.

  32. The Dayton killing spree doesn’t have any known connection to immigration and would not have been changed by stricter background checks.

    More fake news, or lousy reporting?

    The Dayton shooter killed 9 people in 30 seconds.
    Bans on semi-automatic weapons have been constitutional since 1936 .. as reaffirmed by that notorious left-wing pussy, Antonin Scalia, in his Heller decision.

    We’ve now had 31 mass shootings in slightly more than a half year.
    England has had ONE mass shooting in 22 years, since they tightened their gun laws. http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955
    Australia has had NONE.

    Do the math. (England’s population is 1/5 ours) Adjust for population and England has had five mass shootings in 22 years.

    But the mind-controlled far-right sneers that gun regulation has never worked … anywhere … or withhold key facts of the Dayton shooting, to (falsely) claim that “background checks” are the only alternative.

    Inconvenient questions:

    1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first? (DOUBLE-DUH)

    2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

    3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

    4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

    NOT advocating gun grabs, just want HONEST debate – the difference between libertarians and the bellowing blowhards of the Authoritarian Right.

    ”shall not be infringed” They beat their chests and bellow … nonsense, evasions and bullshit. … PROVES how they’ve become witless tools of the political elites. The ISSUE is WHICH ARMS shall not be infringed. Why is this rocket science to these people?

    Left – Right = Zero
    Libertarians: speaking Truth to Power, both left and right, for over 50 years.
    Listen now to their death rattle, amidst the shrieking and bellowing.

    1. Fuck off Hihn. No one cares what you think.

    2. We emptied the mental hospitals.

      We get an epidemic of crazies with guns.

      1. And crazies like Hihn running around ranting on the internet.

        1. But Trump is on to him now. How many vote Hihn to be the first locked up for ‘crazy talk on the web’?
          Let’s just repeal the First AND second amendment and get on with it.
          Elect democrats in 2020 and never have to bother voting again.

      2. We emptied the mental hospitals.”

        people keep saying that but few if any of them would have been interred if we still had mental fcialities. and most of them were born after we eliminated the requirement unless one has committed violence and thridly its been almost 40 years since they were shut down so plenty of time for people to come up with new solutions or reinstate them but no one really wants to address those issues because it allows them to keep up the political arguments with citizens being the cannon fodder, literally

    3. Notice how Dumbfuck Hihnsano is now claiming that England “tightened” their gun laws, after claiming a few months ago that they completely banned handguns.

      1. FIVE failures to address Nolan’s simple questions.
        (So far)

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano uses another sockpuppet to support his long-debunked arguments for more gun control.

        2. Why are you pretending like Nolan isn’t your sockpuppet?

          You really think referring to yourself in the third person makes you look less retarded?

          1. Now SEVEN failures to answer such simple questions.

            1. Why do you bother with sock puppets? We always know it’s you Hihn. You don’t bother to change your writing style and you say the same repetitive bullshit.

              You might as well kill yourself now.

            2. Why are you STILL pretending like Nolan isn’t your sockpuppet?

              You really think referring to yourself in the third person makes you look less retarded?

              1. Precious snowflakes … HUMILIATED on the issue … pursue infantile diversion and evasion.

                1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano pretends that dunking on his ignorant copypasta is diversion.

                  1. The diversion is yours, and it’s cowardly.

                    Inconvenient questions:

                    1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first?

                    2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

                    3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

                    4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

                    Keep repeating your failure,

                    1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano continues his copypasta, lectures us about failure that he’s all too familiar with.

                    2. Keep repeating your failure,

                      Dumbfuck Hihnsano continues his copypasta, lectures us about failure that he’s all too familiar with.

                      Nolan has been manipulating Red Rocks all over the page!

                    3. Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s been parroting himself like the dementia addled retard that he is, still can’t explain how the right to life and right to keep and bear arms are in conflict.

      2. Nolan kicked your ass again!!

        <Notice how Dumbfuck Hihnsano is now claiming that England “tightened” their gun laws, after claiming a few months ago that they completely banned handguns.

        1) Banning handguns IS “tightening” gun laws (sneer).
        2) … bend over, This will go up your ass with less pain

        http://https://www.bbc.com/news/10216955
        The (1996) deaths led to nationwide campaign for even greater gun controls. The campaign succeeded in making it illegal to buy or possess a handgun, something which had been excluded from the legislation passed after Hungerford.

        Guntards be crazy,
        Now he can throw another hissy fit … at me. (gasp)

        1. Gungrabber Hihnsano pimps for gun bans

    4. Inconvenient questions:

      1) If we arm teachers, how do you know who will get shot first in any given school shooting?

      2) Do you know what a race is?

      3) Do you know the difference between unarmed and without a firearm? Do you know how many countries their are in the world?

      4) Why do you assume that two conflicting rights must have a winner and a loser? It sounds like an exceedingly narrow-minded lose-lose mentality to me.

      1. “”2) Do you know what a race is?”‘

        Gumball Rally?

      2. 1) If we arm teachers, how do you know who will get shot first in any given school shooting?

        Umm, the teachers.

        2) Do you know what a race is?

        It has two unrelated meanings, genius.

        3) Do you know the difference between unarmed and without a firearm?

        What’s your point?

        Do you know how many countries their are in the world?

        Even crazier.

        4) Why do you assume that two conflicting rights must have a winner and a loser?

        He didn’t, and you made a MASSIVE fuckup!

        It sounds like an exceedingly narrow-minded lose-lose mentality to me.

        Why does your ilk REFUSE to accept win-win .. which is the fucking answer.

        Why did you TOTALLY fail on his questions?

        1. Fuck off Hihn.

          1. Why did YOU fail TOTALLY on such simple questions?

            1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first? (DOUBLE-DUH)

            2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

            3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

            4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

            NOT advocating gun grabs, just want HONEST debate – the difference between libertarians and the bellowing blowhards of the Authoritarian Right.

            Left – Right = Zero
            Libertarians: speaking Truth to Power, both left and right, for over 50 years.
            Listen now to their death rattle, amidst all the shrieking and bellowing (as I predicted)

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano’s IQ = Zero

        2. “‘
          1) If we arm teachers, how do you know who will get shot first in any given school shooting?

          Umm, the teachers.
          “”
          Maybe, maybe not. Other than your speculation, do you have any evidence to back it up? I noticed armed school resource officers are not the first shot in school shootings.

          1. Umm, you FAILED to “notice” that armed school resource officers are not in every classroom. DUH.

            One more time for the retarded:

            If teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first? (DOUBLE-DUH)

            EVEN IF SHE IS NOT ACTUALLY ARMED HERSELF.

            Thank you for playing.

            1. Do you have any evidence that teachers are shot first?

              “”One more time for the retarded: “‘

              How arrogant.

            2. Funny how you think people that call you out on speculation are retarded.

              1. You’re retarded for calling it speculation ,… after your MASSIVE fuckup on armed school resource officers.

                https://reason.com/2019/08/05/after-el-paso-and-dayton-threatened-crackdowns-on-guns-immigrants-and-internet-speech/#comment-7881446

                1. Your opinion that teachers are shot first IS you speculating. It is not based on any facts. You have yet to prove it.

                  “”after your MASSIVE fuckup on armed school resource officers.””

                  What would MY fuckup be?

                  1. I LINKED TO IT. (SNEER)

                    1. You linked to your own stupidity, Dumbfuck Hihnsano, just like you always do.

                    2. “”You linked to your own stupidity,””

                      That’s exactly what he did.

                      He fails to understand that no one know who would really get shot first but the only thing greater than his stupidity is his arrogance.

                2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano links to his own stupidity again.

                    1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano links to his own stupidity again.

    5. Hihn gets -10000

      1. Hihn needs forced hospice.

        1. Hihn needs forced combustion.

          1. Inconvenient questions … for the cowards here.

            1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first? (DOUBLE-DUH

            2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed? Might it work like the nuclear arms race did?

            3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

            4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano rubs one out to gun control again.

    6. Anyone with Nolan-level competence would have a blog and expound there.

      1. Why?
        And why did you suffer such a massive loss???

    7. Fuck off Hihn.

    8. “”We’ve now had 31 mass shootings in slightly more than a half year.
      England has had ONE mass shooting in 22 years, since they tightened their gun laws. http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955”
      Australia has had NONE.””

      Wrong. There was a mass shooting in Darwin in June of this year. Four people were killed.

      1. I suckered Vic into admitting Australia had one mass shooting in 23 years.

        Thanks!

        1. No I caught you in a lie and you can’t even be honest about it.

          Your arrogance must stink up the room where ever you go.

          1. No, you made a TOTAL ass of yourself by SCREECHING that Australia had only one mass shooting in 23 years … versus yout bullshit on US killings.

  33. But, but, but, we have to allow people to own machine guns so that they can, ummm, protect themselves from other people with legally owned machine guns (or something).

    1. The ‘something’ being socialists coming after their property and lives?
      Repeal the second amendment or shut up.

    2. exactly.

    3. It does not matter why people own automatic weapons. It certainly is none of the government’s business.

      The 2nd Amendment protects the People’s right to keep and bear Arms. Machine guns, cannons, rifles, pistols, swords, knives, bombs, grenades, howitzers, ships, tanks, any ammo needed, and any other Armament ever created….

      1. You are so totally full of shit on what the second amendment protects … only since 1939 … and even Scalia said (in effect) that you’re totally ignorant.

        1. Fuck off Hihn.

        2. “Scalia said”

          No he didn’t. We’ve debunked your lie numerous times Hihn.

          You always post a selctvir quote, then the while thing gets posted and you flee.

          You’re so mentally ill that you’ll do it again now.

          1. The whole thing is 46 pages.
            (smirk)

            1. Yet Dumbfuck Hihnsano never reads past page 1. (Smirk)

    4. “We” did it in Germany, then the Union of Soviet Socialists Republics, right gnosse?

    5. Fuck off Jeff.

  34. Apparently, black lives DON’T matter:
    Chicago homicides in 2019 so far: 297
    Baltimore homicides in 2019 so far: 199

    I guess “if it bleeds, it leads” is more important when the middle class folks are being attacked.

    1. Your handle is precisely accurate!!

      1. Yours isn’t. It should say

        “Obviously Hihns sockpuppet”

    2. 40 people shot in Chicago over the weekend. It caused a hospital on the West side to close it’s emergency room due to volume.

      A hospital not accepting anymore emergencies due to gun shot victims, yet no outrage.

      1. +100

      2. Were they all shot by ONE Trumptard with a semi-automatic weapon?

        Any more wacky questions?

        1. Spoken like a true leftist.

          1. (lol)

  35. In the four-page manifesto

    It is my opinion that we should start cracking down on manifestos.

    1. Nobody needs that many kinds of opinions.

  36. >>new “national conservatism”

    no new ideologies exist.

  37. China devalues currency

    The Chinese government devalued the yuan to fall below its 7-to-1 ratio with the US dollar for the first time in a decade Monday. A weaker currency could soften the blow the United States has dealt China with its tariffs.

    Hahaha. China wont make it to Election 2020.

    America! Fuck Yeah!

    I can’t wait to see Boehm try to explain how China devaluing their currency means anything but Trump’s strategy is working and working fairly fast. What, just over 1 year?

    1. I am unaware of any country who gained prosperity by destroying their consumers’ spending power.

      1. The Chinese government has the distinct advantage of caring nothing about the welfare of it’s citizens.

        1. And you are totally ignorant of what they did, and what all the effects will be.

          If you could merely read, at a junior high level, you’d know the only effect will be n foreign exchange, their currency against the dollar.
          Ask any bright student

          1. Fuck off Hihn. You are so stupid you should not be living without supervision.

          2. Making consumer goods more expensive doesn’t reduce consumer spending power. What color is the sky in your universe you fucking retard? Go die.

            1. Making consumer goods more expensive doesn’t reduce consumer spending power.

              (yawn) Nobody said otherwise. Perhaps voices in your head?

              If your grocery and utilities prices increased by 10% tomorrow … YOU say there’d be NO decrease in your purchasing power!!!

              https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/purchasing power
              Purchasing power is a phrase to describe the quantity of goods or services that a dollar can buy.

              (sneer) Anything else?

          3. Fuck off Hihn.

          4. Poor troll wont admit that inflation, foreign investment reluctance, and increased manufacturing inefficiencies are real downsides to devaluing currency.

            The main point too is that China blinked in this USA-China trade staring contest.

            1. OMFG. HOW DOES A DIFFERENT EXCHANGE RATE MAKE FACTORIES LESS EFFICIENT??? … WHILE MAKING THEIR PRODUCTS CHEAPER … EVERYWHERE ON EARTH

              INVESTMENT RELUCTANCE … FROM A MASSIVE INCREASE IN EXPORTS????

              1. OMFG. GOOD THING THEY DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS…AND PAY THEIR WORKERS SLAVE WAGES IN FACTORIES THAT REQUIRE SUICIDE NETS…SO WE CAN GET CHEAPER PRODUCTS…EVERYWHERE ON EARTH.

                1. The mind of a Trumpster
                  Emphasis added for the retarded

                  HOW DOES A DIFFERENT EXCHANGE RATE MAKE FACTORIES LESS EFFICIENT??? … WHILE MAKING THEIR PRODUCTS CHEAPER … EVERYWHERE ON EARTH

                  OMFG. GOOD THING THEY DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS…AND PAY THEIR WORKERS SLAVE WAGES IN FACTORIES THAT REQUIRE SUICIDE NETS…SO WE CAN GET CHEAPER PRODUCTS…EVERYWHERE ON EARTH.

                  WE? (smirk)

                  1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano pretends that he didn’t endorse China’s labor practices. (Smirk)

                    1. You are one crazy, sick fuck.
                      You log in for the sole purpose of posting 26 infantile insults … and self-evident lies … totally devoid of content … under your puppet and the Tulpa puppet..

                    2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano knows all about infantile responses, them being his stock in trade.

                      I own you like Kunta Kinte, sluggo!

      2. Umm, Slick ..,. changing the foreign exchange rate has no direct effect on consumers. It makes China’s exports cheaper and their imports more costly. Worldwide.

        Economics 101.

        These are typical Trumpsters.

        1. Umm, Slick ..,. changing the foreign exchange rate has no direct effect on consumers. It makes China’s exports cheaper and their imports more costly. Worldwide.

          Which part of “imports more costly” do you not understand? Imports get more costly meaning Chinese consumers have less purchasing power.

          Um slick, you are a fucking moron and a waste of space and oxygen.

          Typical retard.

          1. Lololol he literally contradicted himself and doesn’t understand how ahahahaha

          2. Which part of “imports more costly” do you not understand? Imports get more costly meaning Chinese consumers have less purchasing power.

            (smirk) offset by cheaper exports and no longer buying American made.
            .

            Um slick, you are a fucking moron and a waste of space and oxygen.

            YOU are the one who says that if one supplier raises prices .. consumers have less buying power … because they’re too fucking stupid to buy from a competitor, which YOU never considered.

            You’re probably also crazy enough to believe Trump’s tariffs are paid by CHINA!

            Pay attention, Sluggo. This is China’s response to Trump’s latest tariff threat … against CHINA … whereas China’s exports are now cheaper EVERYWHERE ON EARTH!!!

            Which part of “imports more costly” do you not understand? Imports get more costly meaning Chinese consumers have less purchasing power.

            (smirk) offset by cheaper exports and no longer buying American made.
            .

            Um slick, you are a fucking moron and a waste of space and oxygen.

            YOU are the one who says that if one supplier raises prices .. consumers have less buying power … because they’re too stupid to buy from a competitor, which YOU never considered.

            Are you probably also wacky enough to believe Trump’s tariffs are paid by CHINA!

            Pay attention, Sluggo. This is China’s response to Trump’s latest tariff threat … against CHINA … whereas China’s exports are now cheaper EVERYWHERE ON EARTH!!!

            Umm, is China a major trade competitor … who just beat Trump, again!

            Typical retard.

            Anything else? (sneer)

            1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano spergs out again.

        2. “changing the foreign exchange rate has no direct effect on consumers. It makes China’s exports cheaper and their imports more costly.”

          Ahahahaha you’re so stupid that you don’t see you contradicted yourself there ahahahahahah

          1. Ahahahaha you’re so stupid that you don’t see you contradicted yourself there ahahahahahah

            Tell us how, Chump.

            1. “Tell is how, Chump.”

              FAIL
              AGAIN

              1. FAIL
                AGAIN

                “What did Dumbfuck Hihnsano hear when trying to talk to women, Alex?”

  38. Another good piece of journalism by ENB, by the way. The reporter is an asset Reason is lucky to have on board.

    1. -100

  39. The practical implication of the nationalist’s entitled perspective is that unifying social reconciliation requires submission to a vision of national identity

    Nationalism does not require a submission to anything. It is a recognition the political and legal processes which shape society follow the national system and thus our ability to influence our environment does as well. It’s a recognition that we should have our area of influence just as others should be free of our influence in theirs.

    1. Why do you HATE our Founders so much?
      Why your hostility to liberty?

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano posts his usual retarded response.

  40. On a personal note, my immigration process reaches a mile stone this week.

    https://youtu.be/QU5_DQhFEkM

    And I should eventually buy a camera, because my cheap phone camera created some sort of artifact on my neck in that video thanks to the sunlight behind me.

    1. Well hey, congrats. Getting Israeli citizenship, does that mean you need to serve in the IDF?

      Interesting to put a face to the Handle.

      Good luck.

  41. Texas teen arrested after grandmother thwarts mass shooting plan

    [someone else posted something about copycat shooters but could not find that post]

    These non-White supremacist violent people are really ruining the Lefty Narrative though.

    1. These non-White supremacist violent people are really ruining the Lefty Narrative though.

      Only to the uninformed and ignorant Righties. They think they “win” because “only” 80% of domestic terrorism and hate crimes are committed by white supremacists/nationalists/nazis.

      So … why do they defend the huge increase in this carnage since Trump took office? As Christ weeps in silent shame.

      Because Left – Right = Zero.

  42. Posted to FB by Gloria Steinem, the Las Vegas mass shooting. Author unknown.

    “How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion – mandatory 48-hour waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understands what he’s about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence … Let’s close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of their loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.”

    1. How about you go back to taking your meds and stop bothering reason?

  43. A “crackdown?”
    Isn’t that how Hitler and Lenin got into power?

    1. You asked that in public???
      Hitler was elected.
      Also wrong on Lenin.
      Try again.

      1. Hitler got supreme power after the Reichstag fire.
        Lenin used force to get into power.
        Both cracked down on their pro-democracy opponents.

        1. Fucks up Hitler.
          Fucks up what winning a civil war means.
          BOTH reveal his authoritarian contempt for will of the people.

          1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano reveals his simplistic knowledge of history.

  44. If all teachers are armed the ones in affected class rooms will be shot first. The others will be available.

    Unless there is a general uprising.

    1. Typically mindless.

      1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano self-identifies.

  45. Are lights on a cell phone the new torch?

  46. I’ve ENRAGED 17 authoritarian-righters with … documented facts … so let’s do it again! .

    Inconvenient facts

    Intentional Homicide Rates (Latest available, UN) Per 100,000 population.
    5.3 United States
    3.0 Europe and Asia (each)
    1.7 Canada
    0.9 UK

    FACT: England’s 2nd gun control (1996) saw ONE mass shooting in 22 years
    Adjust for population (5:1) and they had 5 shootings in 22 years … We had 250 in 7 months. Do the math.
    Mass Shootings
    UK = 0.2 per year
    US = 426.7 per year = 2,130,000% higher mass shootings
    But gun control has never worked. Anywhere. (snort)
    (Australia had one in 23 years).

    Inconvenient questions:

    1) if teachers are thought to be armed, who will be shot first?

    2) MIGHT we have so many ARMED bad guys … BECAUSE our citizenry is so highly armed?

    3) In Britain, Ireland, Norway, Iceland and New Zealand, officers are unarmed when they are on patrol. WHY? And HOW?

    4) What happens when two absolute rights are in conflict? Which prevails? Who decides? And why?

    NOT advocating gun grabs, just want HONEST debate – the difference between libertarians and the bellowing blowhards of the Authoritarian Right.

    Left – Right = Zero
    Libertarians: speaking Truth to Power, both left and right, for over 50 years.
    Listen now to their death rattle, amidst all the shrieking, bellowing and childish insults.

    1. Who is responsible for this added violence?

      1. Umm, people with guns?

        1. Dumbfuck Hihnsano pimps his gun bans.

    2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano pretends he posted facts instead of his stroke-induced fantasias pimps for more gun control.

    3. Dumbfuck Hihnsano also continues to be too stupid to figure out how the right to life and right to keep and bear arms are in conflict.

      1. See his facts on 2,000,000% more mass shooting in the US.
        Death is a loss of life, sluggo..

        Here’s our proof, loser..
        http://www.bbc.com/news/10216955

        1. There is no proof of your claim in that article.

          You are interested in neither truth or liberty.

          1. PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR.

            The (2010) Cumbria incident is the third mass-shooting incident in the UK in which a lone gunman has roamed around seeking out victims. Each of the previous incidents led to greater restrictions on firearms.

            That means only ONE since the last restriction, EXACTLY AS WE BOTH STATED.

            The (1996) deaths led to nationwide campaign for even greater gun controls. The campaign succeeded in making it illegal to buy or possess a handgun, something which had been excluded from the legislation passed after Hungerford.

            Guntards LIE, like the psychos they are.

            1. “”Guntards LIE”‘

              No libertarian would use that term. But leftist do.

              “”PATHETIC FUCKING LIAR. “”

              You are a sad, sad person.

              1. I PROVED you are full of shit about the link.
                But you cyber-stalkers just keep lying, assaulting and aggressing.
                Anyone with a brain will know the truth, or a conscience, or integrity, or moral values.

                1. “”I PROVED you are full of shit about the link.””

                  The only thing you have proven is your arrogance, and failure to admit you are wrong.

            2. I guess the only reason you come here is to rage at the moon. You are ineffective as an agent of influence. This is evidence by responses to your arrogant, self absorb posts. Every one here has your number. You are nothing but a lefty trying to pose as a libertarian. All you do is condemn people with your self absorb arrogance. Even Dale Carnegie wouldn’t be your friend.

        2. Dumbfuck Hihnsano evades the fact that he can’t explain how the right to life and right to keep and bear arms are on conflict.
          Shooting someone for reasons other than self defense is illegal, Dumbfuck.

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