Tennessee Department of Health Admits It Was Wrong About Reported Huge Rise in Accidental Gun Deaths
That scary 105 accidental gun death figure, more than five times the previous year? Turns out to really be 5, slightly more than a quarter of the previous year.
Tennessee leads the country in accidental shooting deaths.
The Volunteer State ranked ninth in 2013 for deadly accidental shootings. Officials say 19 people died that year.
In 2014, the number jumped to 105.
"This idea of shooting first and asking questions later unfortunately sometimes has fatal consequences," said Beth Joslin Roth with Safe Tennessee Project, a grassroots organization dedicated to addressing the epidemic of gun-related injuries and gun violence in Tennessee.
The numbers have fluctuated some over the years, but Joslin Roth said the jump between 2013 and 2014 is unprecedented.
Unprecedented indeed, and totally not true as it turns out.
Tennessee now admits they made a mistake in counting, and a very big one. 2014's accidental gun death numbers were in fact the lowest, by far, the state has seen this century, at 5. The next lowest was 2008's 17.
After manually reviewing death certificates, TDH reports five people died from accidental gunshot wounds in the state in 2014. In an additional eight cases, the manner of death was left blank or marked as pending on the death certificate but no follow-up death certificate was sent to the department; however, a review of the autopsies for those cases indicated none of those eight were accidental deaths. Incorrect data provided earlier indicated the number of accidental gunshot deaths had dramatically escalated from 19 in 2013 to 105 in 2014.
"We regret any confusion that may have arisen when data errors affected the number of deaths attributed to the accidental discharge of firearms in our state," said TDH Deputy Commissioner for Population Health Michael Warren, MD, MPH.
Three of the four stories I linked to above with the original frightening report, including the one quoted from, have not yet been corrected as of time of this posting.
As I've written before when it comes to crummy gun data or analysis, generally once a lot of people have read the original headline making a frightening claim regarding guns, the "public policy" work important to those who want to gin up anxiety about guns or optimism about gun laws has already been done, no matter later revelations, adjustments, critiques, or re-evaluations.
Hat tip: Matt Schonert
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Meh. My understanding, and Eddie can correct me if I'm wrong, is that a lot of American Catholics are much much much more liberal than the Vatican, even with its current socialist Pope.
This particular quote is taken from an interview I did several weeks ago about a Nashville father who mistook his daughter for an intruder and fatally shot her. In that interview, we also were discussing an incident last year where a woman was shot when she returned home at an unexpected time and was shot by her live-in boyfriend.
In the release we sent out about the increase in unintentional shooting deaths between 2013 and 2014, we noted that based on our observations, most adult-involved unintentional shootings were related to not checking to see if a gun was loaded before cleaning it or handling it. Most child-involved unintentional shootings were related to guns not being stored responsibly, leaving them accessible to curious children.
Our organization first reached out to the CDC about the 2014 increase in numbers. They referred us to the state health department. We contacted them and told them that it appeared to us that there had been a coding error. They verified the number and let us know that they believed it to be correct. We asked them again for confirmation and they again told us that according to their data, the number (105) was correct for 2014. Only after the press release went out and the governor asked questions about the increase did the health department alert us that upon additional review, they thought the number was wrong. The new number (5) represents a two decade low. Our organization began tracking unintentional shootings reported through the media in 2015. Based on our tracking database, there were 13 unintentional shooting deaths in 2015 and so far, we've had 12 in 2016. Clearly, there are still some questions about the very low number of 5 for 2014.
As soon as we were notified of the revised number, we immediately sent out a press release with the corrected data.
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"We regret any confusion that may have arisen when data errors affected the number of deaths attributed to the accidental discharge of firearms in our state," said TDH Deputy Commissioner for Population Health Michael Warren, MD, MPH.
Looking at the year-by-year numbers, the totals seem fairly stable, although steadily declining, with the max change being around 30%. I wonder what happened to induce a ~75% drop in one year?
-Dude opens video with the disclaimer that he does ill-advised stuff with guns as a hobby/profession.
-Has trouble with gun and shows that (1) indeed, the super dangerous aspect is real (the trigger doesn't reset on cocking, potentially loosing a round accidentally) and (2) has an issue chambering a round.
-Tells you that it's fine and you don't need to worry.
I was thinking about getting something more compact. Obviously, this will not be it.
When did you buy them? That video was made back in 2013, which is when I assume the recall was. If they're newer than that they probably aren't affected, unless you bought them used and the previous owner didn't send them in.
That scary 105 accidental gun death figure, more than five times the previous year? Turns out to really be 5, nearly a quarter of the previous year.
Um. Actually five is a bit over a quarter of the previous year's 19.
You'd think, with an increase from 19 to 105, somebody would say, "Gee, whiz that's a big jump. How about we recheck the numbers? Manually if necessary."
But I guess if that's what the computer spits out, it's good enough for government work.
"We regret any confusion that may have arisen when data errors affected the number of deaths attributed to the accidental discharge of firearms in our state," said TDH Deputy Commissioner for Population Health Michael Warren, MD, MPH."
Are they going to send corrections to every brain-dead outlet that trumpeted these lies? How about putting the liar who originally made the claim in front of a camera with a deadly-serious interlocutor asking very probing questions and making sure this public embarrassment is available on you-tube?
And Ms Roth? Has anyone asked her for a public retraction?
If none of this has happened, it won't matter. The lies are now in the public domain and will be repeated endlessly.
As soon as we were notified by the health department that the number they had confirmed to us multiple times was incorrect, we immediately sent out a release with the revised number. We only reported the original number after multiple confirmations that it was correct.
The owner brought it in and said it doesn't feed right, hands it to a man with many years of experience and he pulled the slide back and let it go. Unfortunately he didn't have it pointed in a safe direction; the bullet went through my friend's hip bone. He will recover.
Interesting stuff about minimizing foreign intervention and how "most morality should be enforced at the state level" and not the federal level, and how there are *way* too many federal crimes.
But there's a quick thing starting at 44:20 about how Anderson Cooper had town halls with Johnson and Stein, but not with him.
To anticipate a possible objection, voters in about 47 of the 50 states can vote for him, either by ballot (in half the states) or by write-in (in most of the rest). So if it's about not having the mathematical possibility of being elected, no, not really.
Strange how the errors are always in a direction that props up gun control arguments. I mean I'm certain they're all innocent mistakes, every single one of them, but what are the odds?
But, let me guess, the leftist media has already ran with it and there is zero chance of a retraction?
36 religious groups violate separation of church and state, demand more taxpayer-funded abortions
I was wondering how in the Hell a Catholic organization could possibly sign onto this and, sure enough,this looks totally fake.
Most of the signees read more like progressive PACs than actual religious groups.
Meh. My understanding, and Eddie can correct me if I'm wrong, is that a lot of American Catholics are much much much more liberal than the Vatican, even with its current socialist Pope.
True, but if they're pro-abortion, they're aware they're, like, defying the Church establishment, man.
They know they're dissenters.
Such heroes.
speaking douche to power
Yeah, maybe they should break off from the Catholic church, and form some sort of protesting church.
"This idea of shooting first and asking questions later unfortunately sometimes has fatal consequences,"
Is this a normal occurrence in "accidental gun deaths", Beth?
I too was struggling with the incoherence.
Well, you can bet your accidentally-shot ass that Beth doesn't struggle. I'm sure it's all the same to her.
This particular quote is taken from an interview I did several weeks ago about a Nashville father who mistook his daughter for an intruder and fatally shot her. In that interview, we also were discussing an incident last year where a woman was shot when she returned home at an unexpected time and was shot by her live-in boyfriend.
In the release we sent out about the increase in unintentional shooting deaths between 2013 and 2014, we noted that based on our observations, most adult-involved unintentional shootings were related to not checking to see if a gun was loaded before cleaning it or handling it. Most child-involved unintentional shootings were related to guns not being stored responsibly, leaving them accessible to curious children.
Our organization first reached out to the CDC about the 2014 increase in numbers. They referred us to the state health department. We contacted them and told them that it appeared to us that there had been a coding error. They verified the number and let us know that they believed it to be correct. We asked them again for confirmation and they again told us that according to their data, the number (105) was correct for 2014. Only after the press release went out and the governor asked questions about the increase did the health department alert us that upon additional review, they thought the number was wrong. The new number (5) represents a two decade low. Our organization began tracking unintentional shootings reported through the media in 2015. Based on our tracking database, there were 13 unintentional shooting deaths in 2015 and so far, we've had 12 in 2016. Clearly, there are still some questions about the very low number of 5 for 2014.
As soon as we were notified of the revised number, we immediately sent out a press release with the corrected data.
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"We regret any confusion that may have arisen when data errors affected the number of deaths attributed to the accidental discharge of firearms in our state," said TDH Deputy Commissioner for Population Health Michael Warren, MD, MPH.
Warren then shot himself, right? RIGHT?!
*shoots a narrowed gaze at Rich*
Looking at the year-by-year numbers, the totals seem fairly stable, although steadily declining, with the max change being around 30%. I wonder what happened to induce a ~75% drop in one year?
Everyone is dead?
Even odds its another 'error'.
Hitler.
failure of the state sponsored school system to teach people how to fucking count
A dude at my work was shot accidentally a couple weeks ago. It was a Springfield .40 cal that has been recalled.
Well, he should have known better - those Springfield's are an aggressive breed.
This was the gun: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5TdRMfBtM
Yeah, thanks but no thanks.
-Dude opens video with the disclaimer that he does ill-advised stuff with guns as a hobby/profession.
-Has trouble with gun and shows that (1) indeed, the super dangerous aspect is real (the trigger doesn't reset on cocking, potentially loosing a round accidentally) and (2) has an issue chambering a round.
-Tells you that it's fine and you don't need to worry.
I was thinking about getting something more compact. Obviously, this will not be it.
S&W Shield.
More importantly, who shoots 40 cal?
Cracker's Boy.
CB
I have 2 XDs and I haven't heard anything about a recall.
When did you buy them? That video was made back in 2013, which is when I assume the recall was. If they're newer than that they probably aren't affected, unless you bought them used and the previous owner didn't send them in.
2010 & 2012.
Might want to see if they're affected, then.
This article has some more information: http://www.gunsandammo.com/per.....s-pistols/
Thanks. Looks like it's the XD-S, which I do not have.
What a surprise. But here's the problem. THEY PUBLISHED IT. There's a moose loose in the hoose!
Poltifact bias.
http://humanevents.com/2012/08.....ft-really/
That scary 105 accidental gun death figure, more than five times the previous year? Turns out to really be 5, nearly a quarter of the previous year.
Um. Actually five is a bit over a quarter of the previous year's 19.
You'd think, with an increase from 19 to 105, somebody would say, "Gee, whiz that's a big jump. How about we recheck the numbers? Manually if necessary."
But I guess if that's what the computer spits out, it's good enough for government work.
LarryA, the hed has been adjusted if you refresh on that "quarter" error, thanks for pointing it out.
"We regret any confusion that may have arisen when data errors affected the number of deaths attributed to the accidental discharge of firearms in our state," said TDH Deputy Commissioner for Population Health Michael Warren, MD, MPH."
Are they going to send corrections to every brain-dead outlet that trumpeted these lies? How about putting the liar who originally made the claim in front of a camera with a deadly-serious interlocutor asking very probing questions and making sure this public embarrassment is available on you-tube?
And Ms Roth? Has anyone asked her for a public retraction?
If none of this has happened, it won't matter. The lies are now in the public domain and will be repeated endlessly.
As soon as we were notified by the health department that the number they had confirmed to us multiple times was incorrect, we immediately sent out a release with the revised number. We only reported the original number after multiple confirmations that it was correct.
The owner brought it in and said it doesn't feed right, hands it to a man with many years of experience and he pulled the slide back and let it go. Unfortunately he didn't have it pointed in a safe direction; the bullet went through my friend's hip bone. He will recover.
That's not an accident!
It was! He wasn't aiming for homeboy.
Negligence.
Many years experience and he doesn't know always point in safe direction and to check whether a gun handed to him is loaded?
Unless it's a stuck firing pin, not sure how it fired without a trigger pull either. For the trifecta.
Watch the video tulpa. I'm not saying that the dude didn't fuck up.
OK just read up on it, there were discharges without trigger pulls. nvm on that part.
Still, violated #1 and #3 rules.
Word. A lesson to us all: keep the muzzle down range!
You are too kind.
'years of experience' says you do NOT point a loaded gun at what you don't want to shoot.
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"Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama speak the same language as Castro. Socialism and Communism do not build nations, it destroys nations."
Guy takes on crony British banking system. Wins, mostly.
LOL, I immediately recognized this guy's name from the Premiere League and the mirth provoked in some by the small-town charm on display.
It's a good pod - http://meninblazers.com/2015/0.....he-usmnts/
Dave's an interesting guy.
I don't do podcasts* but I just read their linked story on Fishwick and it was very funny in their usual manner and also respectful.
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Darrell Castle Constitution Day Town Hall
Interesting stuff about minimizing foreign intervention and how "most morality should be enforced at the state level" and not the federal level, and how there are *way* too many federal crimes.
But there's a quick thing starting at 44:20 about how Anderson Cooper had town halls with Johnson and Stein, but not with him.
To anticipate a possible objection, voters in about 47 of the 50 states can vote for him, either by ballot (in half the states) or by write-in (in most of the rest). So if it's about not having the mathematical possibility of being elected, no, not really.
Behold the ugly face of theocracy: Castle vs. Johnson on the issues
You can tell when a gun grabber is lying because...
... he or she publishes bogus statistics?
Strange how the errors are always in a direction that props up gun control arguments. I mean I'm certain they're all innocent mistakes, every single one of them, but what are the odds?
Mistake? Bullshit.