When Cops Kill, and When Cops Die
Police need new approaches on the use of force.


Most interactions between American police and citizens are routine, civil and no worse than briefly unpleasant for those involved. But among some cops and some populations, the relationship is fraught with chronic distrust and fear. The result is an intractably toxic climate that spawns deadly consequences.
Rarely has that reality been more stark than now, with five Dallas law enforcement officers fatally shot during a demonstration against, yes, the killing of black civilians by police. The sequence is a spiral of violence, with wrong done against one group answered with wrong against the other.
Up to the moment gunfire erupted, the Dallas scene was a case where both sides were conducting themselves well. The protesters were peaceful, and the police were restrained. Some officers and marchers even posed for photos together. It was heartening proof that the two sides are not condemned to conflict.
But too often, police-citizen encounters go very differently. Cops deal daily with dangerous offenders in areas plagued by incessant crime. Innocent citizens in those neighborhoods sometimes are stopped, searched, humiliated and physically abused. People who should be working together for mutual safety find themselves at odds.
The Black Lives Matter movement is a recent reaction to an old problem made more visible by modern technology and social media. Lots of Americans who once took for granted that police deserve respect and deference have been shocked by video footage of officers killing without apparent justification.
A 2015 Gallup Poll found trust in police at its lowest level in 22 years. Only 30 percent of African-Americans express such confidence.
The deaths of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile at the hands of police officers help explain why. Slayings like theirs happen more or less every day in this country. But unless the event or its aftermath is captured on video, it is barely noticed by the general public.
Research indicates that black and Hispanic motorists are likelier to be pulled over, to have their cars searched and to be arrested—though whites are often found to be likelier to have contraband. A new study by the Center for Policing Equity at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York documents that cops use force against blacks more than three times as often as against whites.
The murdered police in Dallas obscure a positive development: Since 1977, reports University of California, Berkeley law professor Franklin Zimring, the number of officers killed on duty has plunged by 69 percent.
Cops and their defenders say that when officers kill civilians, they do so in self-defense, which often is true. Maybe information will come to light that the cops behaved justifiably with Sterling and Castile—in response to actions that didn't show up on the videos.
In some cases, though, the reaction is excessive. Laquan McDonald, shot 16 times by a Chicago officer, was walking away from the cops. Eric Garner, who died after being subdued with a chokehold, had no weapon. John Crawford, idly holding a BB gun taken off a Wal-Mart shelf, posed no evident threat.
Sterling and Castile were carrying guns, but Sterling's was in his pocket, and from the videos, it appears he didn't reach for it. Castile, according to his girlfriend, told the officer he had a concealed pistol and a permit for it.
But American cops have a pattern of erring on the side of using deadly force, because they generally are trained to do so and rarely incur punishment for it. American police kill civilians at rates five times higher than police in Canada, 40 times higher than in Germany and 140 times higher than in England and Wales.
Is that because we have so much more violent crime, including gun crime? Partly, says Zimring, but "the U.S. rate of killings by police is 10 times as great as the difference in homicides generally."
Changes in how departments operate could save hundreds of lives each year. A report this year by the Police Executive Research Forum said, "Through de-escalation, effective tactics and appropriate equipment, officers can prevent situations from ever reaching the point where anyone's life is in danger and where officers have little choice but to use deadly force." Such reforms, it argued, can not only protect civilians but "increase officer safety."
Making life safer for police and those they encounter is a goal shared by everyone. It will take new approaches, because the old ones are not good enough.
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Cops are killing themselves to justify their existence. "See, this is why you need us." First of all, Johnson was an Army reservist, meaning he was one of the guys who's supposed to protect us from the bad guys. Yet, he's killing the people who are supposedly on his side. Secondly, Dallas police chief's own son killed a cop in 2010 - meaning he was sacrificed by the chief to justify his career. "High on PCP" and "recently diagnosed with bipolar" LOL. Sorry to bother you with pesky facts. And of course Omar Mateen was in the private security industry. These cops are basically trying to start a war, which they've been doing since forever, but now we can see it because of all the cameras. Of course, they will fail. Why 'of course'? Because when the people who are supposed to protect you are killing you then it's over and because you elected them to office in the first place and because when you start killing the people who you elected to protect you then you might have a problem.
Wow just wow. You got your tinfoil hat screwed on pretty tight don't you?
Wow just wow. You got your tinfoil hat screwed on pretty tight don't you?
Because when the people who are supposed to protect you are killing you then it's over and because you elected them to office in the first place
Cops are elected?
In a roundabout way yes, cops are elected. At least their bosses are.
One problem we're having dealing with police abuse is that everyone is trying to fix law enforcement. So you have the city council of a city like Ferguson promising to change police chiefs and stop police abuse.
But the law enforcement philosophy, and the policies and procedures that implement it, comes from the City Council, and that's what needs to change. In too many cities you have had one-party rule by the same people for decades, and they aren't willing to change their philosophies, and therefore can't change law enforcement policies and procedures in any meaningful way.
Since federal oversight, when implemented, concentrates on watching the police department, it's ineffective in changing philosophies in city hall.
For instance, if the city of Ferguson budget depends heavily on the collection of fines and penalties for minor offenses, no amount of police reform is going to alter that.
In short, if you want to change the way a city police department does business, sweep out city hall. That's where an election can make a difference.
Just look at Oakland CA.
You should pay less attention to the voices in your head.
The Black Lives Matter movement is a recent reaction to an old problem...
How to use legitimate grievances to advance illegitimate causes?
+1 "Fund Black Futures"
The demands of one of the Chicago-area BLM offshoots:
We demand all local, state and federal budgets to defund the police and invest those dollars and resources in Black futures.
We want reparations for chattel slavery, Jim Crow and mass incarceration.
We want to end all profit from so-called "criminal justice" punishment ? both public and private.
We want a guaranteed income for all, living wages, a federal jobs program, and freedom from discrimination for all workers.
We want the labor of Black transgender and cisgender women (unseen and seen, unpaid and paid) to be valued and supported, not criminalized and marginalized.
We want investments in Black communities that promote economic sustainability and eliminate the displacement of our people.
so we can go back to the neighbors in Africa who sold off their slaves in the first place for their end of the reparations?
Sounds like what I hear every day.
I work in local government.
Most interactions between American police and citizens are routine, civil and no worse than briefly unpleasant for those involved.
Most interactions between Americans and police are traffic stops for speeding or failure to come to a complete stop. And a traffic stop is literally a threat of violence, when a mailed notice/fee would suffice. If you're going 51 in a 50, you see flashing lights behind you, and you don't pull over, your life is at risk. I hardly call that civil.
If getting a ticket is civil, why must we keep our hands on the wheel and only move our bodies after asking permission from a man with a gun?
Scott Adams over at the Dilbert blog has a tutorial on the Stepan Fetchit method for cringing, ducking, shuffling and surrenderin' to da massa's Men wit Guns.
Because I have consistently volunteered and voted libertarian--against sending kids to mystical mohammedan deathtraps to bully primitives--I feel like part of the solution since 1981. The political parties that sign police paychecks are absolutely comitted to having men with guns murder people for taxes, assets they can rob and forfeit, enjoyable drugs free of excise bribes, blowjobs from prostitutes--and in exchange for the perks and pelf of crony fascism in a heavily mixed economy daily. Vote for initiation of force? prohibitionism? me? No thanks.
I have some ideas for police reform.
1. Stop civil asset forfeiture
2. Stop using police as revenue generators.
3. Start throwing cops in jail for breaking the law instead of putting them on paid leave then then in a year sweeping it under the rug.
4. Stop hiring your local dimwitted ex jocks and school bullies in small town USA.
5. Start mandatory drug testing since most of the cops I know use and sell drugs.
In other words make them obey the laws they are supposed to enforce. Same could and should apply to the rich and our politicians
6. Stop cops from using their badge to force women into having sex or possibly facing jail time.
7. Make cops who refuse to turn in bad cops stand trial as co conspiracy.
Two things: immunity and unions. Get rid of both of those, and everything else would take care of itself.
Great minds and all that.
How about any settlements come out of that cop's pension.
Points 3 - 7 can be addressed simply: No immunity. Personal responsibility for your actions.
This great mind refreshes before commenting.
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#7 would be the most effective. Personal responsibility and all that.
So, who wants to do the start-up to sell camera-kits for your car? Two cameras, one facing forward, once facing towards the driver and capturing the window.
As much as people complain about a "surveillance state", cameras are about the only protection from cops that actually work.
Or we could just end the War on Drugs.
And the war on avoiding cigarette taxes, and the war on bootleg CDs, and the war on broken taillights, and...
The DA called this an accidental shooting but the cop clearly killed the "white" man exiting his wrecked car.
http://www.actionnewsnow.com/n.....-be-filed/
going for a gun as you approach any car should be the first thing they learn to not do
RE: When Cops Kill, and When Cops Die
Police need new approaches on the use of force.
This is preposterous. The police do not need new approaches on the use of force. They are always right in their procedures, humane and have never injured any innocents. Making the police responsible for their actions is an ugly thought and would have potentially horrific results for them and The State. Responsibility, as we all know, is not for our obvious betters tyrannizing us. They have much better things to do than to answer to the low life proletariat who vote them into power and pay their bloated salaries, such as finding new ways to hide their embezzled funds, creating a 501(c) 3 to ensure they don't pay any taxes, starting wars, keeping their cronies happy, etc. Having The State and/or their minions responsible for their actions only launches thoughts of accountability in government and other hideous concepts that would erode The State and make our socialist slavers in power worried and grumpy.
None of us in the collective want that on our conscience, so let's all erase all concepts of police procedure from our deformed minds and continue to trust our police, our socialist slavers everywhere and The State.
We will all be better slaves when we do.
Is this the same Franklin Zimring that I remember from years ago, who essentially offered, as memory serves, that no matter how much Gun Control there was, it wasn't enough?
"Most interactions between American police and citizens are routine, civil and no worse than briefly unpleasant for those involved."
Yes this is true. BUT?
"But among some cops and some populations, the relationship is fraught with chronic distrust and fear. The result is an intractably toxic climate that spawns deadly consequences."
"Reason" should have no problem explaining such toxic fear can be counterproductive and may lead to needless meddling from the government. The odds of anyone getting shot by an armed (black) vagrant or a rogue cop is slim. It's in the same neighborhood as me getting blown up a radical Islamist. Nothing good can come of acting in an emotional state of panic, right?
America has literally millions of people who has little to no grasp of the English language. Yet, these people are allowed to drive, own businesses, and exist in meta societies. Given the sheer amount of different cultures that exists here, it's actually remarkable that there isn't constant racial strife and more gun fires from panicked officers. It's a testament to America's stability compared to most of the world.
Of course there's issue with police brutality. But the racialists undercut their legitimate gripes by reducing cops to monstrous caricatures and occasionally resorting to violence. We're a couple wrong solutions away (gun control, fed takeover of cops) from turning places like Chicago into execution zones. Violent crimes has been creeping up in some big cities.
The Black Lives Matter movement is a recent reaction to an old problem made more visible by modern technology and social media.
No, it's a reaction to manufactured bullshit narratives like "Hands up, don't shoot".
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07......html?_r=0
The only logical solution is to prohibit police from carrying deadly weapons. Limit them to batons, tasers, mace, and pepper spray.
What do you think this is? Britain?
I think that all of the commenters on here, as well as the author, needs to spend a night in a squad car in Anacostia on a Saturday night and report back to what they saw. The DC police had a program that allowed this many years ago which i participated in.
Police should not be sent into these areas and the residents should be allowed to just kill one another. The Chicago cops have done for years and thus one black male kills other blacks, including children every 14 hours. Thousands of
liberals love this since they don't have to deal with the real problems and can go back to gun control as the answer. Yes, one more gun law in Chicago, on top of the hundreds already in place is the answer.
the same with abortion clinics where when life has no value, death has no meaning.
Don't you worry about the cops. If a person guns down a cop, there will be an investigation, and if it is proven that the cop-killer acted improperly in using deadly force, then the cop-killer will be subject to civil and criminal penalties under the law, after a peer-review process. If that is good enough for innocent persons held at gunpoint by cops, then it is good enough for cops.
On my campaign website I outline an orderly solution: The Copper Rule.
http://tomalciere.us/law_enforcement.html
Even this won't work if prosecutors are soft on police brutality. In Dallas, a concerned Army veteran recently targeted other cops in an effort to put pressure on prosecutors to get convictions. He was angry that cops murder persons, and also because they get away with it. As a United States Senator, I will not vote to confirm the next President's pick for attorney general unless the nominee has a proven record of being tough on cops. Quiz the candidates in your State about that.
Cops will murder fewer people if they are disarmed. Right now, many people rightly see cops as a lethal threat. Disarming cops will help change that.
It's the War on Drugs stupid.
Last time I got pulled over it was for sneezing while driving. In the middle of an allergy attack I must have inadvertently jerked the wheel, and before I knew it I had blues in my mirror. Cop comes to the door as I'm trying to find a tissue and starts screaming "Hands on the wheel! Hands on the fucking wheel!" while half-drawing his pistol. So I put my hands on the wheel while snot is dripping down my face, trying to explain that I'm not drunk. Finally I carefully got out my license, registration, and proof of insurance, while the guy glared at me with his hand still on his pistol. One wrong move and I would have been dead.
There is nothing civil about a traffic ticket. All it takes is a wrong move in front of a jumpy cop, and you're full of holes.
So if a cop started to draw his gun on you while screaming profanities, you wouldn't think your life was in danger?
Sure, dude. Whatever you say.
A few years back, my wife and I were selling our house to move closer to work. In so doing, our house had many "open houses" as well as specific showings. These showings would entail getting a phone call that the realtor and prospective buyer would be over in ten minutes, with probably a ten to fifteen minute showing. So, tired of hauling off for some period time, I decided to simply go down the street - a block - and sit in my car, watching my house to know when I could return.
So I'm parked outside a down-the-block neighbor's house. I guy/family I've seen out and about, riding bikes, the standard nod of recognition when ever our paths cross. About ten minutes in, a town cop pulls up behind me and says there's been a call by the homeowner whose house I am parked outside of. I have to explain my business. I say that I live in that house - right there - and it's being shown by a realtor. She (the cop) nods her head, bids me farewell, and takes off.
You're a fucking idiot and probably a cop which is probably redundant.
cont
Five minutes later, the neighbor - a cop himself in a different municipality - comes out with his hand in his pocket, no doubt with his hand wrapped around his gun. He thinks I might be someone coming to settle a score. He doesn't recognize me even after we start talking. He's so fevered in his own pants-shitting fear he can't remember a neighbor six houses down who he has seen two dozen times. Ready to ventilate a neighbor because he's scared shitless, all inside his own head.
So, yeah, jumpy cops exist. Add in endlessly bullshit reasons to pull people over - crooked license plate frames, going six miles over the speed limit, cracked tail light, a weave around a pot hole, the list goes on. The leviathan has so many tentacles, long and slimy, tapering down to a finger tip of the Barney Fife cop pulling somebody over for technicalities. Meanwhile real criminals revolving-door their way through the system. It gets to be too much.
Do we want cops against the really dangerous people? Yes. Do they have a right to defend themselves? Yes. That's not what is being discussed. It's the daily clampdown on peaceful and productive "low hanging fruit". We're talking about a society with so many laws that you break ten laws before you have your breakfast. We're talking about low rent tough guys who shit their pants when their neighbors park their car for a half hour outside their house. The massive increase in hassle and the inversely lower caliber of enforcer.
That or repealing victimless "crime" laws and replacing extortion with the defense of individual rights.
They need to do a much better job selecting and training police officers.
They're already very selective and have lots of training. They select for low IQ and they train to avoid legal responsibility.
But I'm sure if we put the right people, like you, in charge, then things will be different...
The fact that cops fear retribution says a lot by itself. If the laws were just, and if the assholes who enforced them treated people like human beings, then people would be less likely to feel wronged after interacting with the police. More often than not though, the police are the aggressors who are committing acts of force and fraud against the life, liberty and property of others. Instead of catching criminals, they are the criminals. So it is no surprise that they fear for their lives all the time. They should, being that on a daily basis they give people valid and just reason to want to do them harm.
Three stories.
Story one - A long time ago, my brother was fresh out of the police academy. We and some friends were hanging out on a Saturday night, three of us decided to run down to the store for some snacks; three young men in a VW van. In the parking lot of the store, my bro gets cut off by some dude whipping into the spot we were aiming for; my brother gives dude the finger. Dude gets out of his car to talk shit, then sees there's three of us. Walkie comes out, and within a couple of mins we've got 5 cruisers around us. Turns out the dude in the car is a local PD detective. My brother tells me to keep quiet, no matter what. He tries to explain, blahblahblah, gets arrested for disorderly conduct. I'm jumpy as hell at that point, but in though he's cuffed and in the back of the car, he's telling me to keep quiet. Follow them down to the magistrate, where a bunch of officer's extoll on how angry and belligerent he was; until they pull his ID and see his badge, at which point it all becomes a big misunderstanding, why didn't you say something earlier, let's all shake hands. When I asked my brother why he wouldn't let me say something he said, 'because I wanted you to understand how the world works, and I didn't want you to die in that parking lot.'
Booger beam is pretty effective. Next time, sneeze snot all over the pigs, as they expect you to... Whut... Keep yer hands on top of the wheel, while producing yer license? Using whut, levitation?!?!?
Story two - A while later, I used to ride along with him and one of the 'interesting' things we'd do is pull in behind someone, look intensely at their license plate and then pick up the radio mic. Invariably the person would begin to slow down. We'd routinely have people going 35mph on I-95. And the thing was, my brother said he'd figured out early on that people didn't respect the police, they feared them, because whether you'd done anything or not, they knew you could fuck with their life. Which is why that stunt worked.
Story three - Another time, I'm out, light's behind me, pull over. Officer tells me he's pulled me because my tags are expired. I'm like, that's odd because i literally just got the renewal notice. He runs my plates are confirms, yep, I'm not expired. Say's he's seen it before, the DMV screwed out and included the wrong stickers with the renewal the last time, just go get new stickers before they expire. Sure thing, off I go. I get near my destination, a couple of towns over, blue lights behind me. But I'm in the middle of a massive cloverleaf, there is literally no place with a shoulder where I can pull over without blocking traffic and/or putting the life of someone standing outside my car at risk. Besides I know what the issue is. So I keep driving, maybe half a mile, to the first parking lot on the other side of the intersection, a fast food joint.
cont-d - As I pull in, the cop whips around me and cuts in front, action movie style. Because I was interrupting our low speed non-chase for a burger apparently. She gets out of her car, hand on gun, screaming at me to stop and keep my hands on the wheel. I'm trying to explain, and she continues to bellow at the top of her lungs, as traffic builds up behind me since rather than being blocked into a parking space I'm blocked into the middle of the lane (unless you know, my car has reverse, in which case I can back out on to the road and she has to make a 3 point turn), Finally, I get permission to hand over my registration and license and she calms down enough to tell me how stupid I was for not stopping in a rasied voice vs a full scream. I tell her why, and how I understand why she stopped me, but it's basically a clerical error. She runs my plates and nope, nothing's changed in the last half hour. But here's the thing, when she hands me back my stuff she says "I'll let you go. This time." So I haven't committed a crime, yet.
People talk about how 'not all cops are bad'. And I'm sure that's true. The problems is the 'good' ones defend and support the 'bad' ones and when there's an irate person with a gun standing over your shoulder you have zero way of knowing which it is. You shouldn't have to treat agents of the state the same why you treat a rabid dog, but if you value your life, you will. Because we give cops so much power and so much immunity, even a relatively small number of bad actors taints one's interactions with the group as a whole.
The problem is the people who are police officers start to identify themselves by their authority. Questioning it is an unforgivable infraction. One that will bring on a reaction for sure.
oh and to shoot first...when you train to a standard, why are you surprised when officers respond accordingly...if you're a hammer everything looks like a nail.
If good cops existed, they wouldn't tolerate bad cops. Thus good cops don't exist.
Q.E.D.
"Not to mention the monsters living under your bed.'
That's what Beria and Himmler said.
You're in good company.
Please enlighten us almighty Hinh, on why the "good cops" just can't seem to get rid of those bad ones. Why do their profession tolerate people that would abuse the sacred trust that law enforcement has been charged with?
Uh, you don't know people. Do you?
Their always innocent. It wasn't their fault. They were always "wronged".
When is the last time you heard someone say that their having been cited or arrested was justified?
It's just human nature.
Brave New World. Two minutes of hate.
Common enemy and all that.
A bisexual acquaintance of mine is a detective with the San Francisco police department. She is a bit strange herself IMHO.
But, she is known to disparage cops as "nerds with guns" and all that implies.