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The EU Should Be Focusing on Its Own Countries' Transgender Laws, Not North Carolina's Bathrooms

Several nations within the union require sterilization before gender-change recognition.

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Apparently the diplomatic wing of the European Union has opinions about a handful of laws about transgender and gay issues passed in some Southern states recently. A spokesman on LGBTI (the "I" is for "intersex") issues at the EU put out a new statement:

The recently adopted laws including in the states of Mississippi, North Carolina and Tennessee, which discriminate against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex persons in the United States contravene the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, to which the US is a State party, and which states that the law shall prohibit any discrimination and guarantee to all persons equal and effective protection.

As a consequence, cultural, traditional or religious values cannot be invoked to justify any form of discrimination, including discrimination against LGBTI persons. These laws should be reconsidered as soon as possible.

The European Union reaffirms its commitment to the equality and dignity of all human beings irrespective of their sexual orientation and gender identity. We will continue to work to end all forms of discrimination and to counter attempts to embed or enhance discrimination wherever it occurs around the world."

Most certainly the number of people who care about the European Union's interpretation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is very small. But it's worth noting because frankly states like North Carolina are actually miles ahead of some EU countries when it comes to transgender recognition.

Take a handful of major European countries—France, Belgium, and the Czech Republic. In those countries, according to data by Transgender Europe (partly funded as an EU program), in order for the government to legally acknowledge a transgender person's shift in sex, that individual is required by law to get sterilized.

Transgender Europe has submitted third party intervention arguments for three cases in French courts. They note in concern about the forced sterilization: "In effect, transgender people have to make a choice between two sets of fundamental rights, centered on the right to legal recognition of their gender identity and their body integrity respectively."

Transgender Europe has a map here showing which countries do and do not require sterilization in order to seek legal recognition of one's gender identity. They have a checklist here showing what sorts of laws exist in different nations that are either helpful or harmful to transgender people. Countries highlighted in blue are members of the European Union. Some of the EU countries who don't have sterilization laws, like Denmark and the Netherlands, have only recently gotten rid of them.

This is the problem when government-tied agencies get involved in social signaling to try to shame other governments and make themselves look more enlightened. The EU is not in a position to judge the United States on transgender issues as a whole, let alone individual states like Tennessee or Mississippi. The terrible irony here is that most of these countries do have anti-discrimination laws that include gender identity—but they have brutal rules in place that force unnecessary medical treatments onto the people who try to request inclusion.

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  1. The EU can’t let San Francisco hog all the moralizing glory.

    1. There’s always plenty of moralizing glory to go around, no need to shove!

  2. (the “I” is for “intersex”)

    (whatever the fuck *that* is)

    Also — squirrels.

    1. Like Interpol, except with more genitalia

    2. = hermaphrodite.

      Again, we’re dealing with such a tiny population one wonders why we’re talking about it. Every. Single. Day.

      1. Ah. I suppose “LGBTH” would be subject to mocking, if you catch my drift.

      2. Then why not just say “hermaphrodite?” Does that have too much of a negative connotation? They should just be glad they’re not all called lady-boys.

        1. “Hermaphrodite” is closer to lady-boy than intersex. Statues of Hermaphrodite were bearded, with penises and breasts. Intersex is more like “ambiguous genitalia” where there really isn’t a definite sexual structure recognizable.

          1. “Pat” would have sufficed.

            1. All I’m saying is that “intersex” is a real and observable birth defect.

              1. It’s OK. Besides which, you just named my band.

                1. “Mystery Junk”?

          2. Line from Kindergarten Cop 2: “I don’t have a penis; I have ambiguous genitalia.”

            1. It’s not a tumah!

          3. Statues of Hermaphrodite were bearded, with penises and breasts.

            Coming soon: Hermaphrodite Vs. Doomcock: A Warty Hugeman Adventure?

            1. I checked IMDB. It’s in post-production already with a Christmas release date.

            2. Hermaphrodite: Sins of the Past, a Warty Hugeman Joint

              1. Trifecta in play! Is Warty Mexican?

        2. Medically, hermaphrodite is a sub set of intersex. To be a hermaphrodite, you have to have both ovarian and testicular tissue. Intersex is a more broad term that encompasses all forms of undifferentiated and partially differentiated sex organs.

  3. …. The EU is not in a position to judge the United States on transgender issues as a whole, let alone individual states like Tennessee or Mississippi.

    This is reminiscent of the recent “UN Women’s Rights Experts” who visited the US and expressed astonishment and horror at the abuses which females must endure in the Retrograde States of America

    We were harassed. There were two vigilante men waiting to insult us,” said Frances Raday, the delegate from the U.K. The men repeatedly shouted, “You’re murdering children!” at them as soon as they neared the clinic, even though Raday said they are clearly past childbearing age.

    “It’s a kind of terrorism,” added Eleonora Zielinska, the delegate from Poland. “To us, it was shocking.”

    In European countries, she explained, abortions are performed at general doctors’ offices and hospitals that offer all kinds of other health services, so there aren’t protesters waiting to heckle the women who enter.

    It is of course never mentioned that Abortion is banned in Poland. The point of the piece is to go, “SEE!! ENLIGHTENED YUROPEENS THINK WE’RE YOKELS!! ERGO NO MORE TERROR-SPEECH”, not to provide any realistic evaluation of the respective rights of women around the world.

    1. What is a human rights expert?

      1. A post-menopausal European woman

        1. *scratches chin, nods*

    2. The day certain Europeans stop tossing bananas at their black (often native-born) athletes, I’ll consider that they might begin to have a down payment on civilization.

      1. Oh, but you see it’s unfair to judge all Europeans by the actions of some of their less “enlightened” citizens. Judging Americans that way is A-OK because, as “everyone knows,” there’s no such thing as “enlightened” Americans, just a bunch of dumb yokels.

        1. Oh, but you see it’s unfair to judge all Europeans by the actions of some of their less “enlightened” citizens.

          Actually, that is correct. It is unfair.

          But it’s fair to point out that Europe is currently about fifty years behind the USA race-relations-wise.

      2. Exactly.

        Europeans have no clue of what they’re talking about.

        Except De Toqueville of course.

        1. De Tocqueville, the depressingly accurate philosopher

        2. What are Bastiat and de Molinari, chopped foie gras?

      3. Wouldn’t apples hurt more? Not to mention pineapples!

  4. Are those loony tunes quite certain they want to bring up the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights?

    Check out Article 23(1):

    “The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.”

  5. I predict that PM links will be by Shackford today, and feature the following: Clinton Will Put Husband in Charge of Economy, Factories Siezed in Venezuela, Sinead O’Connor Missing.

    Not actually a prediction so much as one of the sidebar preview thingies showed that article. Wondering if he accidentally pre-posted it, or whether the sidebar preview thingie is also picking up articles scheduled for later publication?

      1. Jesus for a second there i was worried

      2. Was she with Ozzy?

        1. I heard she was jsut hanging out with Prince and Elvis.

      3. I heard that the Pope’s goons finally caught up with her.

      4. What is it with the new thing of “Inserting random-dude’s Tweet” in the middle of a news item?

        1. New things suck.

          1. That will suck even when it has been around for a while.

          2. Its not the “new thing” part that puzzles me…. because its not new. its the “Who the Fuck is John Groban, and why does his concern about Sinead O’Connor’s “Demons” make a @#*&$ difference about anything?”

            (googles dude)

            ah. So maybe its “another musician no one’s heard about in a decade who’s using the other person’s disappearance as an opportunity to self-promote?”

            1. If no one Tweets about a news event, did it really even happen at all?

            2. He was named the Best Selling Artist of All Time on Barnes & Noble in 2007.[citation needed] Groban has sold more than 20 million albums in less than ten years. In 2002, Groban was listed as “100 Sexiest Newcomer” and in 2008, he became one of People’s “100 Most Beautiful People”.[70]

              Jesus, i need a drink.

              1. I couldn’t name a song of his if you held a gun to my junk.

                1. My grandparents love him, whoever he is.

      5. She was missing for 7 hours and 15 days?

      6. Test her to make sure it’s not an alien replicant trying to imitate her.

        And check Uranus to see if there are any alien kidnappers trying to sell the real O’Connor on the intergalactic slave market.

  6. Speaking of problems: American Airlines put out cots for fewer than 100 travelers who missed their flights Sunday night due to the long lines at TSA security checkpoints.

    “We will be hiring employees who will do non-security TSA functions; so, the people who tell you to take the liquids out of your bags, take your laptop out.”

    How about *not* hiring such “employees”? This bullshit is beyond the pale.

    1. Wonder how long until some enterprising young extremist hops on this target of opportunity?

      1. Oh, that “rooster has already been in the henhouse”.

    2. I haven’t flown in a loooooong time – it was after 9/11 but before all this crap started.

      I don’t know how people do it.

      1. That crap basically started on 9/13, the day commercial air travel resumed.

        1. Nah. I flew a couple times after 9/11 with zero hassle. There was no TSA, no special screenings or banned items yet. One was November 2001 and another was sometime in 2002 I guess.

      2. Lots of booze, lip-chewing, and out-of-body experiences.

        Or so I’ve heard.

        1. I just disassociate, like many trauma victims.

          1. Yep. Except don’t look down on the scene from above. That’s a violation.

      3. Seriously, fuck flying, yo. If i can’t get there in a reasonable amount of time by car, i probably don’t need to be there.

        1. “That’s a real good philosophical way of life.”

          1. Ya heard? [cracks open another Genesee Cream Ale]

    3. The TSA also has been urging travelers to enroll in its Precheck pgrogram [sic], or other similar programs, which can significantly reduce wait times.

      Isn’t this something you have to pay for? Nice way to cover up yet another highway robbery in the name of the State.

      “Oh noooo, budget cuts have hindered our already shitty and useless service. Here, pay for this program and we’ll ensure special treatment for all Party members.”

      1. Pretty much, the way I understand.

        Another aspect of this I have trouble with is that charging your tickets with certain credit cards can get you “sped up”. WTF?

  7. This is the problem when government-tied agencies get involved in social signaling to try to shame other governments and make themselves look more enlightened.

    Surely you’re not suggesting that they forgo the smug sense of superiority that accompanies looking down on “backwards American hillbillies”? They’re Eurotrash, after all. Feeling smug and superior to Americans is 99% of their raison d’etre.

    1. Try this at home:

      Eurotrash: Blah, blah, blah…
      You: Do you speak German?
      Eurotrash: …no?
      You: You’re welcome.

      Subsitute Russian for German as appropriate.

      1. They’re likely to turn that around:

        Eurotrash: Yes, I speak German, and Russian, among others. How many languages do you speak?

  8. If I identify as asexual can I get my own public restroom wherever I go?

    1. asexual

      Married, huh? Ba dum CHHH

  9. Hah! Hahaha! I would say “nice try,” but it was really quite pathetic. Though I’m sure there are idiots out there who think the whole of Europe is totally enlightened on transgenderism, homosexuality, abortion, etc.

  10. just ban all surgery and hormone therapy to become a tranny. it does far more harm than good anyway.

    1. I could say the same thing about jingoism.

    2. just ban all drugs and alcohol. it does far more harm than good anyway.
      just ban all sugary and high fat foods. it does far more harm than good anyway.
      just ban all things I don’t like. it does far more harm than good anyway.

      1. I wouldn’t argue with it. It’s a real American.

        1. I think a commenter from that FOX article about LOVES HATES FAG wandered over here by mistake.

          1. er, “LOVE WINS FAG”

  11. “The terrible irony here is that most of these countries do have anti-discrimination laws that include gender identity?but they have brutal rules in place that force unnecessary medical treatments onto the people who try to request inclusion.”

    Careful Scott. Remember that Buck v. Bell is still good law in the USA. Thank Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr., America’s Greatest Jurist, for that.

    1. +1 Plecker

  12. Fucken Europe moving in on Canada’s turf busting American’s balls.

    1. Turdeau Jr. is still a white man…

  13. How about all those celebrities boycotting Mississippi and North Carolina while still dealing with countries where homosexuality is illegal?

    1. The truth cuts Bryan Adams like a knife.

    2. “This is *America*, dammit! We’re *better* than th–I mean, something something.”

  14. If only we had a one world super state based in Brussels and headed up by Captain Bathroom Nazi, everything would be swell.

  15. RE: The EU Should Be Focusing on Its Own Countries’ Transgender Laws, Not North Carolina’s Bathrooms
    Several nations within the union require sterilization before gender-change recognition.

    1. There should be no reason why the EU should not be focusing on the USA’s transgender laws. After all, the EU nations give out a lot of free shit.

    2. North Carolina stands corrected.

    3. Shouldn’t sterilization be limited to fascists and socialists?

  16. 3. Shouldn’t sterilization be limited to fascists and socialists?

    Advocating or receiving?

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