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Politics

These Two Videos Help Explain Why You Hate Politics

Jimmy Kimmel and Stossel producer Rikki Ratliff confront Hillary Clinton supporters with Donald Trump's ideas

Matt Welch | 5.11.2016 5:59 PM

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What to do when two serially flip-flopping authoritarians face off for president? If you're a clever TV producer, the answer is obvious: Shove the noses of the fans of Candidate X into the policy proposals of Candidate Y. Jimmy Kimmel's people recently demonstrated how it's done:

All of which reminded me very much of this great vid a few months back by Stossel producer and friend o' Reason Rikki Ratliff:

The Kimmel observation is depressingly familiar to libertarians—voters tend to follow politicians, not ideas, and will switch allegiance to the latter according to the whims of the former. But that's just why we beat on, boats against the current, etc. Have a Facebook friend or alleged loved one who sounds like a Jimmy Kimmel mark? Get them a gift subscription to Reason!

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  1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

    What to do when two serially flip-flopping authoritarians face off for president? If you're a clever TV producer, the answer is obvious: Shove the noses of the fans of Candidate X into the policy proposals of Candidate Y.

    For Frith's sake!

    My (very few) friends and associates/co-workers know that I have been doing this for years.

  2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

    Whatever the first comment says, I always associate with Fist, even if it was written by someone else.

    1. Hyperion   9 years ago

      That's only links, man, only links...

  3. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

    It's weird how Jimmy Kimmel is hosting the show that Johnny Carson had for so long despite having zero charisma.

    1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

      Consistency, Mr. Akston, constancy.

      (Perhaps)

      1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

        I liked him when he had that show where they chugged beer and made bikini girls jump on trampolines.

        1. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

          The Man Show was genius.

          1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

            Until Stanhope and Rogen ruined it.

    2. BiMonSciFiCon   9 years ago

      Carson was on ABC?

      1. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

        Nope, you're right. Fallon has the Tonight Show, and he's even more annoying than Kimmel.

        1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          Fallon drinks a lot. So I trust him.

          1. TheZeitgeist   9 years ago

            Fallon also can play an instrument, mimic, dance, sing; i.e. he's actually sort of a professional entertainer.

            Jimmy Kimmel is a fifty year old frat boy frozen in time; the sort of frat boy who was always at the football parties even though he was never actually on football team.

        2. Robert   9 years ago

          How d'ya think it would've been had Jean Shepherd caught on as m.c.?

    3. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

      Still better than Fallon.

      1. Jerryskids   9 years ago

        Well, ya got me there. I do have to admit, whether you support Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, they're both better than Jimmy Fallon.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    THAT'S NOT FAIR. Critical analysis beyond the name of the candidate? That's for high-level thinkers. You know, Poindexters. Johnny Lunchpale.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      Your spelling is beyond the pail.

  5. Hyperion   9 years ago

    What to do when two serially flip-flopping authoritarians face off for president?

    I vote for the LP candidate. What do you do Matt? Make sure your publication posts an obsessively high number of articles about one of those candidates, while completely ignoring the already committed atrocities of the other?

    1. Matt Welch   9 years ago

      "Completely ignoring."

      1. Hyperion   9 years ago

        Well, ok then.

      2. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

        Ohhhhhh SNAP!

    2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Matt is one of the good guys. There's a Nick article that needs some attention below.

      1. lap83   9 years ago

        "10 ways the libertarian moment is for real happening despite the fact that millenials don't listen to punk rock or get my dated pop culture references."

        1. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

          Join my polygamous harem!

          1. lap83   9 years ago

            What's in it for me? (Figuratively speaking)

            1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

              A rotating laundry schedule?

            2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              Penis. (mine)

              1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                No rotating laundry schedule. If you're good at what you're supposed to be good at, I'll do all of the laundry.

                1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

                  What's the point of a harem if not the division of labor?

                2. lap83   9 years ago

                  Word got out about my amazing banana bread?

                  1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

                    Call me when you've got a good zucchini and flax seed recipe. Those carbs are a bitch.

                    1. lap83   9 years ago

                      Then you probably don't want any beer bread

                    2. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

                      Temptress.

                  2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

                    Word got out about my amazing banana bread?

                    YES!

                  3. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

                    No, word got out about my amazing banana.

      2. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

        I only think Matt's cool because sometimes he posts that picture of himself from college when he had long hair and was holding a 40-ouncer. At least he was cool at one time, I mean.

        1. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

          He was smuggling blue jeans through the velvet underground straight to the Kremlin, man!

        2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          40s are out of necessity. Was it even Steel Reserve?

    3. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

      Dude, we all hate The Apprentice, but "atrocity" is a bit strong.

  6. Bra Ket   9 years ago

    It's never been about issues or principles. It's a religious war between zealots. Trump tramples on holy ground and violates the taboos of political correctness. That's why some hate him and some love him.

  7. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    In the Kimmel short, one of the respondents, when told he'd been endorsing Trump's tax plan, claimed that he was persuaded to vote for Trump. I suspect that was just to get out of the awkward interview, but who knows?

    1. Zunalter   9 years ago

      But, is that a BETTER outcome?

  8. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

    Wasn't there also a Reason video (or maybe they just linked to it) last time where they told dems all the things Romney wanted to do , then after the dems heads exploded they told them that they were really Obama's ideas? IIRC one guy actually was taken aback and said he might have to rethink some things. One Guy.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      It was a WeAreChange video (whoever they are).

      1. Charles Easterly   9 years ago

        They/he are/is not me.

  9. Hyperion   9 years ago

    What is the percentage of voters who vote solely on the basis of identity politics or social signaling who never take even a minutes time to validate the candidate or even learn anything about them? It has to be north of 90%.

    1. The Last American Hero   9 years ago

      It's 93 percent, but it used to be 95 percent so we declared a Libertarian Moment.

      1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

        John and some others assured me that most Trump voters are rational.

  10. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

    Ever hear of fairweather sports fans?

    Well, clearly you can apply the same to politics. People are just not as engaged as much as they think they are or just pay attention to politics like we did bad subjects in school.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      Yeah, but at least people doing badly in math didn't go around with signs reading "sine curves 4ever!"

      1. Quincy.   9 years ago

        "I support Trump cos he's against the tan gents."

        1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

          "And he's a successful businessman who has cosined many great deals."

          1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

            I should have just said sined.

            1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

              He cosined for his kids.

              1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

                But he made them ride the rhom bus!

                1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                  Is there no limit to these bad jokes?

                  1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

                    You are going off on a tangent.

                  2. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

                    They approach infinity.

          2. Quincy.   9 years ago

            "His speeches might be hyperbolic or elliptical, but he understands the origin of a broad section of America. He doesn't care if you're X or Y. He knows your coordinates, and will not accept the asymptotic decline of America!"

            1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

              Infinity +1

              1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                These jokes are getting exponentially worse.

                1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                  Speaking of worse - at least Trump is familiar with the concept of triangles.

                2. Quincy.   9 years ago

                  I will log your complaint.

                  1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                    Trump will bomb the axis of evil.

                    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                      Alternate joke: Are Eucliding me?

                    2. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      That joke's kinda derivative, Eddie.

                    3. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                      I'm just trying to work all the angles.

                    4. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      You'll 180 when you do that.

                    5. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

                      Yeah, well, yo momma so fat...

                      Sorry, my standard almost deviated from relevance to the math theme of these jokes.

                    6. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      I have my standards, Eddie. I should ring your head like a bell for that yomamma joke. My rage has a long tail.

                    7. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

                      Yo mamma so fat, she has an event horizon.

                    8. Quincy.   9 years ago

                      Yeah, yo momma so poor she's hawkin' her singularity.

                    9. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

                      Trump will never integrate?

        2. The Hyperbole   9 years ago

          NERDS!!!!

        3. Greg F   9 years ago

          That would be a different angle.

          1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

            Great minds think alike.

            As do ours.

      2. The Last American Hero   9 years ago

        No, but until a few months ago, which headline seemed more likely:

        A) Donald Trump, POTUS
        or
        B) Mathematicians use supercomputer to find Pi digits have repeating pattern.

        1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

          Both are no longer irregular?

          1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

            Irrational.

  11. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

    I hate Trump for what he said about Canada's health care system.

    We're not 'healthier'. If we had 330 million people I'm pretty sure those figures would probably dip a tad.

    1. Zunalter   9 years ago

      Not to mention having the US nearby to fill in the gaps in the Canadian system

      1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

        Somehow I doubt that will factor in with the stats.

        That's the little nasty fact about medical tourism. But we have a MASSIVE wall to climb over:

        http://healthydebate.ca/opinio.....-hospitals

        "Medical tourism represents a shift to for-profit, private healthcare. Healthcare in Canada is rooted in the notion of accessing services based on need, not ability to pay. Creating a second tier contravenes the principles of Medicare, and also establishes a precedent for the wealthy to access care ahead of others. It would be reasonable for a wealthy Canadian to ask why they aren't able to pay for care in a Canadian hospital."

        People like this dolt would rather we all suffer together because 'equality'.

        The debates are so pathetic it's depressing.

        1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

          Canadians can climb walls?

          This game of lemmings is the WORST.

    2. Hugh Akston   9 years ago

      Yeah but you guys also let moose vote so there you go.

      1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

        Moose are reliably libertarian.

        1. Almanian's Rusty Woodchipper   9 years ago

          What about beavers?

          1. Quincy.   9 years ago

            Ask Peter Thiel.

          2. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

            Those rodents?

            /narrows gaze.

            Liberal.

            1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

              What about moose and squirrel together?

              1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

                Squirrels have no skin in this game.

                Caribou on the other hand...

                1. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

                  Bit your sister? That explains the skin in the game.

  12. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Matt Taibbi nailed this point a while back =

    (*and I hate to credit Taibbi with anything)

    What these tweedy Buckleyites at places like the National Review don't get is that most people don't give a damn about "conservative principles." Yes, millions of people responded to that rhetoric for years. But that wasn't because of the principle itself, but because it was always coupled with the more effective politics of resentment: Big-government liberals are to blame for your problems.
    ...
    "We've got to do something to bring jobs back," says one Trump supporter in Plymouth, when asked why tariffs are suddenly a good idea.

    Cheryl Donlon says she heard the tariff message loud and clear and she's fine with it, despite the fact that it clashes with traditional conservatism.

    "We need someone who is just going to look at what's best for us," she says.

    I mention that Trump's plan is virtually identical to Dick Gephardt's idea from way back in the 1988 Democratic presidential race, to fight the Korean Hyundai import wave with retaliatory tariffs.

    Donlon says she didn't like that idea then.

    Why not?

    "I didn't like him," she says.

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      I'm sure Taibbi feels the exact same way about identity politics.

      1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

        In my head I always pronounce Taibbi as "tar baby".

        1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          You needn't disclose that which resides in your heart.

        2. Pompey   9 years ago

          Racist!!!!!!

    2. Suthenboy   9 years ago

      I hear little discussion of the FedGov being worse for our economy than all foreign govts combined. Has the Trumpster touched on that?

      1. C. Anacreon   9 years ago

        Where did the Trumpster touch you?

        1. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

          On his Muslim parts.

          1. juris imprudent   9 years ago

            Between the sheets.

          2. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

            Brings up a question: can different parts of your body be of different religion? Or gender?

            1. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

              My penis is Black Muslim.

  13. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    One point in favor of these voters - they know that the promises of the Presidential candidates generally don't get fulfilled. What difference will it make next year what tax plan the winning candidate put forward, when they can just pass the buck to Congress and blame them?

    Likewise with the other issues - when candidates themselves don't take their promises seriously, why should voters do so? Doing so would be dumber than the responses those voters gave to Jimmy Fallon.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      To clarify, I don't see why a voter should waste her time studying the details of Candidate X's 16 Point Economic Plan when it has fuck-all to do with what the candidate will actually do as President.

      1. pan fried wylie   9 years ago

        Part of this point is all the campaign promises that really aren't part of the job to begin with. Tax plans are supposed to be congress's buck. Making the IRS do its job properly so that they process shit and answer questions correctly actually is in the president's domain. Doin a bang up job, btw.

    2. commodious spittoon   9 years ago

      I like the idea of ignorant voters. I like that politics isn't central to a person's life. That's as it should be. Politics should be an esoteric field, like philosophy, or theology.

      I like even better the principle of subsidiarity, because it allows a person to be ignorant of national or even regional politics.

  14. Stormy Dragon   9 years ago

    People aren't loyal to abstract philosophical concepts. They're loyal to other people.

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      People aren't loyal to abstract philosophical concepts.

      you could have fooled me.

    2. juris imprudent   9 years ago

      Now abstract euphemisms, on the other hand.

  15. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    So these video teaches us that Hillary supporters are Trump supporters in drag.

  16. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

    Wouldn't, Would.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      If you want to screw the voters, you need to be elected first.

    2. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

      Would, would, would.

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        And that's OK. You're shooting blanks.

        1. Old Man With Candy   9 years ago

          Well, Jesus, you wouldn't want MORE of them running around.

  17. Krabappel   9 years ago

    I appreciate anything that shows how stupid voters really are.

  18. Otis B. Driftwood   9 years ago

    OT: Michigan school board votes to close school due to lack of funding. Anonymous donor steps in and offers $800,000 to keep school open. Vapid, despicable prog gets FEEEEELZ hurt.

    I despise these people.

    1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

      NPR should tell its donors to contribute to poor school districts instead.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

        They do, and then the donors use it for massive politiglam-attention and whine publicly about how they wouldn't have to do this if the government would only give public schools all the money there is on the planet.

        Brian Jones isn't a politician. He says he's just a parent who's angry about public-school money problems. So over the weekend, after hearing that Seattle Public Schools plans to reassign teachers as a result of lower-than-projected enrollment, he donated $70,000 to help keep one teacher in place ? and not at his own child's school.

        We're not even talking about closing a school... we're talking about moving one teacher from one school and putting him/her in another because the school has low enrollment.

        So I guess now that teacher is sitting in a rubber room, or runs a class with 7 students in it (smaller class sizes!!11!!11) while they had to hire another elsewhere to teach where the students actually are.

    2. Bubba Jones   9 years ago

      Why don't they want to save teacher jobs?

  19. SusanM   9 years ago

    OT: Bernie makes 'em moan

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/n.....ut-hillary

    MITCHELL: I'm just saying that ? Sir, I'm just saying that Hillary Clinton's ? the opposition to her, the negatives against her have been built up by Donald Trump just hammering away at her and, up until now at least, he has not been going after you as much. She's fighting two big candidates and you're fighting one.

    SANDERS: Andrea, Andrea ? oh, really? Really? Andrea, in every state that we have won, in 19 states, we have had to take on the entire Democratic establishment. We've had to take on senators and governors and mayors and members of Congress. That's what we have taken on. So please do not moan to me about Hillary Clinton's problems. I'm in this race to win. We're taking on the Democratic establishment, we are standing up for working people, and we have a shot. It is a steep hill to climb, but we're going to fight for every last vote that we can get, every delegate that we can get. And that's what I intend to do in the next month, five weeks.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

      Once again, Andrea Mitchell finds a way to make me feel bad for Sanders.

      1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

        I hope Hillary v. Bernie continues for a while, so I can enjoy the proggy catfights.

      2. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

        He holds despicable views for the most part, but I do sympathize what he's up against in a shameless, gutless, liberal media in the bag for a hag.

        Mitchell is such an uber-idiot. I mean really, who could possibly feel bad for Hillary?

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

          He holds despicable views for the most part, but I do sympathize what he's up against in a shameless, gutless, liberal media in the bag for a hag.

          Exactly. Like Goebbels, Bernie Sanders believes what he says, but unlike Goebbels, I don't think he understands the implications of what he says, so that gives him a shred... but just a thread of innocence. But this idea that Hillary Clinton is Besieged by the System is so laughable that Andrea Mitchell should resign in disgrace.

          1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

            Naive socialism.

        2. GILMORE?   9 years ago

          He holds despicable views for the most part, but I do sympathize what he's up against in a shameless, gutless, liberal media in the bag for a hag.

          If i have to choose between a moron like Bernie with terrible ideas, but who is at the very least sincere and honest (as a politician can be)....

          ....versus a calculating, posturing scumbag like Clinton who will say, "I WILL DESTROY THE COAL INDUSTRY!!" for one audience, and then pretend she meant "I WILL SAVE THE COAL INDUSTRY FROM DESTRUCTION!" when actually campaigning in Coal-Country?

          (and even worse = who is protected by a media that will go out on a limb to *help her lies seem less odious*?)

          No contest. Give me the commie. at the very least we can have a battle of ideas.

          1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

            You know who else was a sincere socialist?

          2. sarcasmic   9 years ago

            No contest. Give me the commie. at the very least we can have a battle of ideas.

            What's the expression? The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know? That's it. At least with Bernie you know.

          3. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

            Know what?

            I've come to a similar conclusion.

            He may still be a rat (I mean, all politicians have to be to survive) but he's nowhere near the astonishingly cynical piece of shameless work that's Hillary Clinton. That family has so many skeletons it makes skeletons nervous.

            'We know what's it like to be poor.' Fuck off.

            1. sarcasmic   9 years ago

              I think Bernie is sincere. He's wrong about most things, but he's sincere. You can deal with that.

              Hillary?

              Donald?

              Ugh. I'm still panning to write in "None of the Above."

          4. You Sound Like a Prog (MJG)   9 years ago

            Gilmore's libertarian case for Bernie Sanders.

            1. lap83   9 years ago

              My libertarian case for Bernie Sanders: at least some of his voters will eventually grow up

    2. sarcasmic   9 years ago

      What if Bernie gets it?

      Seriously.

      Anti-establishment vs anti-establishment.

      And some rogue third-party guy gets it.

      Could this be the libertarian moment?

      .

      .

      .

      .

      .

      .

      .

      Haaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

      *tips a homebrew*

      1. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

        The first time around I only read the first half of your comment.

        1. sarcasmic   9 years ago

          It and it aren't the same it. Or something.

  20. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

    OT: Re Blues v. Stars. Do people in Dallas ever sit down?

    1. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

      What, you expect us to sit in those God-awful seats?

      1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

        Ah. So that's why!

  21. Notorious UGCC   9 years ago

    Some atheists are having difficulty getting sign companies to erect a billboard near the Noah's Ark park in Kentucky. The proposed billboard would read "Genocide and Incest Park: Celebrating 2,000 years of myths."

    1. Agammamon   9 years ago

      Good - as long as its private ad-space sellers deciding not to accept a client and there's no state coercion involved.

      There's a difference between defending your beliefs, proselytization, and being an asshole. And I say that as a stone-cold baby-eating atheist.

      1. Chipper Morning Wood   9 years ago

        They are better microwaved.

    2. Chip Woodier   9 years ago

      How hard would it be to buy one of those signs? More expensive, for sure, but perhaps could be sold later at a price that could their sign pay for itself.

      1. Chip Woodier   9 years ago

        ^ make

  22. lap83   9 years ago

    I was surprised to see they presented Trump's more conservative policies. Considering he's all over the map, it wouldn't be hard to find a few Democrat friendly policies of his. But I guess that would probably confuse the audience too much.

  23. Smilin' Joe Fission   9 years ago

    So I moved downtown Toronto about a month ago and haven't been keeping track of the election as closely as I was before. Is this thing over yet? God damn it, it feels like this election has been going on forever.

    On another note, I've noticed that there is a huge amount of smokers in the city.. at least around where I live in little Italy. Which makes me wonder why the Roger's Center (where the Blue Jays play) does not have anywhere for people to go smoke. Once you enter the stadium, you can't leave for a smoke and come back in. It is crazy. I know one wealthier guy who will have normal box seats and buy 4 nose bleed tickets so that he can go out and have a smoke and get back in with one of the unused nose bleed tickets. I like his creativity,

  24. straffinrun   9 years ago

    OT: The queen finds the Chinese were rude. Well, she never.

    1. Quincy.   9 years ago

      Doesn't everybody find the Chinese rude?

      1. straffinrun   9 years ago

        Little known fact is the Mongols actually built that wall.

        1. Quincy.   9 years ago

          Fucking Mongorians and their shitty wall.

      2. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        Soup slurping aside, yeah, their elevator etiquette sucks.

    2. Pompey   9 years ago

      That's not surprising, because Xinhua Jinping is a massive cunt that should die in a fire.

      1. Pompey   9 years ago

        *Xi. But damn if the autocorrect replacement isn't uncannily appropriate!

  25. straffinrun   9 years ago

    Nicholas Kristof tells liberals that their bias against conservatives is harming the discussion. Then the comments go and prove his point. The article appears more to be St. Nick's attempt to say, "See how diverse we are? We even have discussions about how diverse we aren't."

  26. Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)   9 years ago

    O/T, but who threw the shindig?

    And, no invites?? Damn, man....

    *Charlie Brown dejected theme*

  27. Palin's Buttplug   9 years ago

    Sarah Palin birthed Trump politically:

    Some of their similarities, such as their curious ways of justifying their knowledge of Russia, are superficial. Trump, asked by NBC's Chuck Todd where he gets his military advice, said: "Well, I watch the shows. .?.?. You know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows." This had more than an echo of Palin's reply to Katie Couric in 2008 about which newspapers or magazines she reads: "Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years."

    But the likenesses go much deeper, between the candidates themselves and among the followers they've inspired: The attacks on the media. The demonization of a supposed "establishment." The huge and sometimes violent crowds. The prominent platforms given both candidates by Fox News. The racist responses among supporters. The paranoia about taking away guns. The suspicion of science. The scapegoating of Muslims. The portrayal of President Obama as something other than American.

    Well before Trump built his national political reputation by questioning the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate, there was Palin. In December 2009, she called it a "fair question" and "fair game" and said "the public rightfully is still making it an issue."

    Washington Post
    May 11, 2016

    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Oh, good. You're here. How do you think my Jack in the Box calls are going to do tomorrow?

      1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

        Should I go to Hawaii or the Bahamas?

        1. straffinrun   9 years ago

          He's googling where those places are now. Give him some time to cut and paste something that uses big words. You'll be wowed.

          1. Palin's Buttplug   9 years ago

            Yes, because I am not TEAM RED! I am a shut in idiot.

            1. Pompey   9 years ago

              ( (o) )

      2. Palin's Buttplug   9 years ago

        I don't know.

        My last buy has been a disaster. I used all my spare capital to buy ENDP for $16 after their earnings warning a few days ago. They are now $13.50 so I have to hold it for a long time. They will earn $4 a share this year for a sick low multiple. Their 52 week high is $88 I believe.

        I don't mind admitting a mistake.

        I would buy the ITM calls but the market sentiment is terrible.

        Fast food is the one bright spot in the market from what I hear.

        1. Quincy.   9 years ago

          Fast food is the one bright spot in the market from what I hear.

          There's a great future in value meals. Think about it. Will you think about it?

          1. Bobarian (Would Chip Her)   9 years ago

            Fast food is the one bright spot in the market

            Especially when he starts earning $15 an hour.

          2. Agammamon   9 years ago

            Two words for you kid - plastic handguns.

        2. Pompey   9 years ago

          Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

        3. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

          Fast food is huge. But what does that tell you about the overall market?
          I'll probably rake in around 40-50k in profit from Jack in one day. They feed America.

          I'm shorting Shake Shack before their earnings call tomorrow. They suck. They're the next Chipotle. These fads are over.

          Still haven't heard from the earnings call for Ocean Rigs, and the sun has almost set. I assume they're fucked. Which is what I planned on.

          1. Palin's Buttplug   9 years ago

            JACK was near its 52 week low.

            Food fads are good shorts in a bear market. I recall Buffalo Wild Wing getting hammered recently.

            Long or short SONC? SONC is no food fad.

            Pantera is a food fad stock. Will you short it?

            1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

              I only invest or short in what I can see with my own eyes. Never been to a Panera, and I don't know shit about the economics of bread sales. I've also never been to a Sonic, and I have no idea if they're even around here.

              Chipotle is still overpriced, but I haven't the time or patience to sit on it further.

              What I do know is that Q'doba is blowing up. Every time I get off the freeway, there's a traffic jam at the drive thru for Q'doba. That alone is propelling JACK's stock.

              When we're talking about REAL (acknowledged) bear markets, places like JACK do well. You can eat a meal for pennies on the dollar. I don't know how much of the tacos are actually meat, and I don't care. Neither do the customers.

              Food fads can mean a lot of things. Depends on if it's a luxury or not. Jack in the Crack isn't a luxury. A good portion of their sales are EBT.

          2. Palin's Buttplug   9 years ago

            PNRA. Can't spell.

        4. Agammamon   9 years ago

          Uhm - money isn't capital. Its what you use to buy capital and its what you get back when you use capital efficiently.

          I'm *poor* and I know this.

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    1. Playa Manhattan.   9 years ago

      Palin's Buttplug has some good investment advice.

    2. Rich   9 years ago

      "More than sure"?

      You're giving 110% to your spamming effort!

  29. Quincy.   9 years ago

    Doom! Doooooom! Doomity-doom-doom!

  30. Haha, charade you are   9 years ago

    Always a classic:

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  31. Hyperbolical   9 years ago

    The people who hang out in Times Square should not be taken as representative of any group other than amusement park junkies. While entertaining, the survey means nothing. It merely shows that the stupidest people attach themselves to a candidate and then ignore the details of that candidate's positions. We knew that already.

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