Libertarian Party

How Might Libertarian Party Presidential Candidates Deal with Donald Trump as Their GOP Opponent?

Gary Johnson and Austin Petersen speak. Johnson is still waiting for big money that supports small government and the Constitution to look at Trump and come to the Libertarian Party.

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It's not a done deal yet, but Donald Trump continues to lead in both states won and delegates collected in the Republican Party's decision making process.

His success has triggered a lot of talk from both the libertarian-leaning and from Party regulars with some dedication to certain supposed Republican commitments to things like free trade, freer immigration, and constitutionally restricted executive power, about third party or independent candidates to rise to oppose Trump come November.

There already is a third party that shares (and extends) many supposed GOP commitments toward free markets and the Constitution, one that is already on the ballot in a majority of states and that could likely end up on nearly all of them: the Libertarian Party.

That Party will be choosing its presidential candidate at a convention in Orlando in late May. I talked this week to two of the leading contenders for that honor, former New Mexico governor (as a Republican), and the 2012 L.P. presidential candidate Gary Johnson, and former TV producer (on Judge Andrew Napolitano's show FreedomWatch on the Fox Business Network) Austin Petersen. (Petersen also launched the libertarian commentary and news site Libertarian Republic.) 

The press contact for a third leading candidate, antivirus software pioneer and international man of controversy John McAfee, did not respond to a request for comment.

Petersen, the underdog, has a well-thought-out coalition building plan for what he calls an "outside coalition" if it's Trump v. Clinton, hoping to pick up any available Rand Paul rump from the Republicans and even "principled evangelicals and populists." Petersen thinks he's uniquely qualified among the L.P. prospect pack on that, since "there is one big issue that divides libertarians and conservatives in which I happen to share views with conservatives, my stance on being pro-life. If I win the nomination I'd be the only pro-life candidate" whose commitment to the issue he thinks is consistent and convincing, despite Trump's current statements.

Along those coalition-building lines, the mercurial conservative media leader Glenn Beck has already communicated to Petersen that his support will go elsewhere if Trump wins the GOP nod. After a joint appearance on John Stossel's show with National Review editor Rich Lowry, Petersen is confident he detected a strong possibility that the magazine would continue its resolute opposition to Trump even if he's the Republican nominee (which doesn't necessarily translate into Libertarian support, of course).

"As a showman, I admire" Trump, Petersen admits. "I think one of the reasons he's doing so well are his showmanship skills, he's tough, he doesn't back down…he's got the old razzle-dazzle." Petersen thinks Trump has successfully sold himself as, if not a true outsider, as the insider willing to pull down the walls of a temple that a sufficient mass of Americans think of as corrupt and ineffectual.

"The establishment GOP ignored their base for so long, people are tired of politics as usual" creating a voting base eager to "watch the world burn, and they don't care that Trump is unprincipled; they might not agree with him on policy but they are so incensed with the Republican establishment."

Petersen sees Trump's opposition to immigration as key to his appeal; he offers as a counter (though not necessarily as something that will convince a hardcore Trumpite) what he calls "Ellis Island" style protocols: security checks, disease checks, and if you pass them you can come in legally.

While Petersen says he's personally not afraid of the word "open borders," he will say that he believes "the president should obey the Constitution and law" and thus wouldn't willy-nilly try to nullify any existing immigration laws. Though he says the president should "have wide leeway in terms of deportation, and only those who actually committed violent crimes" should be deported, and that America would benefit from more worker visas, student visas, and a simpler naturalization process. "It should be simpler to migrate here and work; consumers benefit from free markets in labor as much as in free markets in commodities."

Johnson, like the rest of us, can often only repeat silly things Trump has said in wonderment and be perplexed as to how he's catching fire. How, Johnson wonders, does he expect to build a wall across the Rio Grande? How can he talk up free trade in one breath and then say he'll force Apple to make its products here? "Everything I thought was good about being a Republican goes out the window" with Trump's talk.

But Johnson has been on the presidential campaign trail as a Republican in 2012 before leaving for the L.P.  "I was up front and personal with this group he is attracting that believe the absolute scourge of the Earth has to do with Mexican immigration" but doesn't think that those attitudes energize a base you can win with nationally. Johnson says he'd deliberately goof on such rabid anti-immigrant thinking while campaigning as a Republican in New Hampshire last time, talking about building a fence across the Canadian border only to hear "Oh come on, that's not an issue."

"I was a border governor," Johnson would remind such voters of his two terms helming New Mexico. "And when I tell you [Mexican immigration] isn't an issue and you don't believe me….in my opinion immigration is a bogeyman issue made up by politicians that want to scare you."

Johnson says as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002, he "asked everyone in my cabinet that interfaced with immigration—law enforcement, the courts, education and health and human services"—and they all concluded immigration from Mexico was not a net cost to the government or the people. He notes how many immigrants pay income and payroll taxes they never lay claim on, in addition to the general contribution to the public good any worker makes with his employers and customers.

Johnson ran for governor with a similar sales pitch to Trump's—the successful businessman who could turn government around. So he understands his appeal on that level. But Trump's policy commitments, Johnson notes, could easily be seen to arise from racism, "and if you are going to vote for Trump, you are willing to take on that label" though he grants most Trump supporters don't perceive their fears about immigration as rooted in race necessarily.

Trump or no Trump, Johnson stresses that the L.P.'s greatest hope lies in getting their candidate into the presidential debates once all the candidates are selected, something he's currently suing over to gain access to what he believes is an illegitimate duopoly. "Even if we are not successful in the lawsuit," Johnson says, " the discovery phase will provide national entertainment when it comes to documents both parties have signed, exclusionary documents to others, and we think the media has also signed on to that."

Johnson admits that running against Trump and Clinton seem like the most promising possible atmosphere for a Libertarian, especially one with successful real-world political success like him.

But, he admits with a chuckle, he thought 2012 was promising as well and "I was really disappointed" in the 1.2 million votes he pulled. His past experience makes him reluctant to predict that running against Trump would be a slam dunk for Libertarians to break out nationally; the apparent emotional barriers to going third party seem weirdly strong in America. 

I press Johnson a couple of times on whether he's been contacted by, or even caught wind, that any big money with some commitment to small government and the Constitution might be prepared to jump ship from the GOP in the event of Trump and go with him. 

He chuckles. "You are obviously asking that question because it makes sense," he says. "But I haven't seen it, haven't touched it. It seems there is a lot of money on the sidelines. I agree with the hypothesis [that he should be able to win such money] but I haven't seen evidence."

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  1. Brian, I frigging love this coverage.
    Shut up and take my money.

  2. How Might Libertarian Party Presidential Candidates Deal with Donald Trump as Their GOP Opponent?

    Rail impotently, like they do against all their other opponents?

    1. Point out that the biggest problems of crime along the and across the southern border are due to the ill advised drug war, a war the LP would have ended over 40 years ago? End Prohibition II, and watch the crime wave end, just as it did when alcohol Prohibition ended.

      1. …then sing the praises of mass immigration and watch the audience walk out en masse….

  3. This shouldn’t be much of a problem for Sen. Gary Johnson (R) . . . . fuck it, never mind.

  4. Thank you for a Gary Johnson (L) article. It’s a nice change.

    1. Gary Johnson (L)

      *Trump voice* L… as in Loser. I bet he can’t even make good deals! /sarc

      1. It’s like you can see the future. Worst part? People will clap to that.

        1. He’s gonorrhea dem the riot act.

          1. Be great is if that were an actual autocorrect.

      2. Gary should challenge Trump to an MMA match and then call him a pussy when he refuses. Then he should say he has a bigger dick and challenge Trump to a measuring contest.

      3. It would be funny to hear Donald Trump try to play the super-duper-successful businessman against Gary Johnson, since it sounds like Gary Johnson actually is a self-made success story, no “small loan of a million dollars” or government handouts needed:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Gary_Johnson#Early_life_and_career

        “While in college, Johnson earned money as a door-to-door handyman.[21] His success in that industry encouraged him to start his own business, Big J Enterprises, in 1976. When he started the business, which focused on mechanical contracting, Johnson was its only employee.[22] His major break with the firm was receiving a large contract from Intel’s expansion in Rio Rancho, which increased Big J’s revenue to $38 million.[23] Over-burdened by his success, Johnson enrolled in a time management course at night school, which he credits with making him heavily goal-driven.[23] He eventually grew Big J into a multimillion-dollar corporation with over 1,000 employees.[24] By the time he sold the company in 1999, it was one of New Mexico’s leading construction companies.[25]”

  5. Along those coalition-building lines, the mercurial conservative media leader Glenn Beck has already communicated to Petersen that his support will go elsewhere if Trump wins the GOP nod.

    Damn, there goes the key publicity-hound, conspiracy-theorist vote!

    1. Alex Jones is a Trump supporter isn’t she?

      (I’ll bet you didn’t know Alex Jones’ real name is Henrietta Baumgartner, and she’s a housewife from Midvale, Rhode Island – don’t bother trying to find it on the map, the Rand McNallyists and Big Map have made sure to keep the town a secret just like Area 51, the soundstage where they filmed the “moon landing” – who invented the persona of Alex Jones to reveal the shocking truth behind McDonald’s Secret Sauce, where the beef really is, and why Heinz insists there’s only 57 varieties. She also has the only known copy of the unaired and covered-up “lost” episode of Lassie where the camera accidentally captured Lassie pushing Timmy into the well.)

      1. Everyone knows that Alex Jones is bill hicks.

        1. I doubt Alex Jones has ever done acid. There is no way he could remain that angry after one hit.

          1. I thought Area 51 was where they kept Art Bell?

            Kevin R

          2. I thought LSD made people paranoid.

            1. You are confusing LSD with weed.

  6. Dreamer, nothing but a dreamer….

    1. Well you know you had it comin’ to you,
      Now there’s not a lot I can do.

  7. Johnson is still waiting for big money that supports small government

    The Big Money is in Big Government.

    1. Not exclusively. For every Bloomberg, there’s 1/10th of a Koch.

      1. micro-Koch?

        1. That would be a decikoch, actually

        2. I mean, the only libertarian-leaning ultra-rich people I can think of are the Koch brothers, Bezos and Mackey. Am I missing anyone? This is as opposed to Bloomberg, Trump, Soros, Adelson, Gates, Musk, Ballmer, Buffett, Allen, and that’s just off the top of my head.

          1. Am I missing anyone?

            Kurt Russell? I know he’s not an entrepreneur, and I’m not sure if he’s “ultra rich” but he’s got to have a fair amount of money, I’d think.

          2. Bloomberg, Trump, Soros, Adelson, Gates, Musk, Ballmer, Buffett, Allen,

            In some ways those people are libertarian, just only for themselves and not for everyone else. Having a shitload of money makes it easy to do what you want without other people interfering with your life and sticking their nose in your business. And when what you want to do is interfere with other people’s lives and stick your nose in their business, why, who’s gonna stop you?

            1. Being libertarian for yourself alone, to the exclusion of others, isn’t being libertarian. There’s no such thing as unprincipled libertarianism, or “utilitarian” libertarianism. Joe Stalin didn’t believe aggression against himself or his property was morally excusable; that doesn’t make him a libertarian.

            2. Buffet and Gates are Democrats. Bloomberg is a Republican. Trump calls himself a Republican now.

              1. Bloomberg is a Republican.

                He was a lifelong Democrat. He ran as a Republican for Mayor of NYC, which doesn’t tell you much more than that he is to the right of Mao.

                He’ll have to pry my big gulp out of my cold dead hands.

          3. Mark Cuban. But he loaned out his arena to Trump….

    2. This.

      The reality is that the best chance the Libertarian Party has at getting votes is getting a few hundred thousand people (preferably not the neighborhood kook) to put up yard signs. That doesn’t cost much money – a lot less than buying blipverts on TV. And for a party that just can’t get noticed, yard signs achieve the ‘hmm. a normal person who I know is gonna vote L. Maybe its an alternative to ‘lesser evil’.’

      Big money ain’t gonna do squat except demand a quid pro quo for what they are buying. That’s the truest statement by Trump.

      1. I’d put one up in front of my apartment.

        1. Everyone in Boulder would be like “whaaaattt?!!”
          /the snail

        2. It would be a great internal organizing slogan for the LP candidate.

          A million votes in 2012. A million yard signs in 2016.

      2. The problem is getting ENOUGH people to put up those yard signs.

        So clearly the thing to do is buy more than you need and repeatedly put the signs into other people’s yards during the night. Target foreclosed, unoccupied, and for sale buildings especially, and hit up the common area of condo complexes. Less likely to get them taken down that way.

        1. There really is no need to cheat. Everyone who voted L has already crossed the ‘lesser evil’ and the ‘why bother’ line. All they need is to be convinced that their vote is multiplied when they tell others ahead of time how they will vote rather than simply pull a lever in a private booth on the day.

          And the point of legitimate yard signs (where the person who put them there lives there – not astroturfing bullshit) is that every one of them can turn into two or three more if any of your neighbors lean libertarian (the supposed 25% or so of electorate) and walk their dogs by your yard. Knock on door, friendly conversation, where’d you get the sign blahblah, here I’ve got an extra one if you put it up blahblahblah.

          The downside is that committed local D’s and R’s will resort to dirty tricks (mostly stealing them but who knows) once the yard signs start to work. But at least then you know – its working. And I suspect most D/R aren’t really that committed since they’ve just bought the lesser evil crap for so long they don’t really care anymore.

      3. We tried that for Ron Paul in 2012 in California. He got 4%.

        1. 4% was the national margin of difference between Romney and Obama too and would have been the margin of difference in 4 states.

          Two election results of 10% and 5% by the Free Soil Party is what killed the Whig/Dem two-party system and realigned it into the Dem/Rep system – with the Free Soil issues becoming the focus of both parties.

          You don’t really have to win the election to win the election. But yeah – it’ll probably take more than 4%.

          1. Ask Mike Hihn about when he was the vice chair of the Dakota Territory Whig Party.

            1. Ask Mike Hihn about when he was the vice chair of the Dakota Territory Whig Party.

              I’m not even in this thread, thug.

            2. Thanks, but I think I will pass.

  8. big money that supports small government and the Constitution

    Dog whistle for KKKoch Brothers?! Because I’m told they will go for the biggest racist in the race (insert Irish 2016 slogan here).

    1. Because I’m told they will go for the biggest racist in the race

      Fortunately only lunatic progressives swallow that.

  9. Will the Koch brothers support the LP this year?

    1. They give money to Reason, maybe we’ll get some more articles.

    2. Looks like they’re planning on opposing Trump:

      http://thehill.com/homenews/ca…..pose-trump

      1. Koch is the puppet-master behind Mitt Romney, I caught one of their minions here in the commentariat the other day floating a “purely hypothetical” trial balloon as a “what if Mitt Romney entered the race as a big ‘told ya so’ to the last 4 years of Obama” to see how us Kochservatives would react. But if Koch are the ones who elected Obama last time, I’m not sure why they would now be running against him. (Koch did elect Obama didn’t they? I mean, Koch money controls everything and Obama won so they must have been the one behind Obama, right?)

        1. What are you smoking? And give me your dealer’s name!

      2. You’d think one of them might run… again.

  10. Well, Brian, I expect they’ll deal with it by massively losing the election, as per usual.

  11. Libertarian Moment!!!!!

      1. Yes?

  12. “I talked this week to two of the leading contenders for that honor, former New Mexico governor (as a Republican), and the 2012 L.P. presidential candidate Gary Johnson, and former TV producer (on Judge Andrew Napolitano’s show FreedomWatch on the Fox Business Network) Austin Petersen.”

    Holy shit, Austin “clickbait” Petersen is a leading candidate for the libertarian party presidential nomination? He writes the equivalent of Libertarian Buzzfeed.

    I know Johnson is probably going to get the nod again, but it’s a total embarrassment Petersen is even being considered.

    1. +Bob Barr and Wayne Allyn Root

      1. To be fair, freedom is kind of a crackpot theory.

        1. Something something… extremists… mumble mumble… lunatics…

          1. You missed “ultra right wing”.

            1. Dammit! I knew I was forgetting something.

            2. Yeah. I get that from an English buddy.

        2. Yeah. I wish i could just be reasonable, and go along with the beauty contest for high-functioning control freak psychopaths that is electoral politics, like everyone else seems to.

    2. Is Peterson’s platform bad? Or are you just disliking some of his articles? Click bait sucks, but it’s pretty much how the internet works at this point.

    3. This One Weird Trick for a Third Party Victory Will Amaze You.

      1. does it grow my penis 9″ longer too?

  13. nice to see an article about the libertarian candidates. good sign that trump is getting people to think about it, or just wishful thinking? probably the later, but still early enough for hope.

    i think gay john has the best chance, Petersen seems reasonable, McAfee gets on the list for notoriety. the other 9 are nice people, but would not get far if you were looking for someone who could theoretically get elected if Trump and Hillary turn enough people off to go for option 3. (that’s the big if)

    1. good sign that trump is getting people to think about it, or just wishful thinking?

      For what it’s worth, although I supported Johnson in the GOP primary, this may well be the first time I vote Libertarian in the general.

    2. Trump could push the LP to 2% this year. Reagan pushed the LP to 1%.

  14. I think Reason should start really supporting 3rd party because Democrats don’t like Clinton but don’t think Sanders can win. The majority of Republicans are sick of the Neocons and the non inclusiveness of the party heads. This is the perfect time for libertarians to show they probably more appealing to the vast majority of Americans

    1. Expect a long string of Hillary votes to “stop Trump at any cost” when the Reason staff explains their votes. Plus, it’ll be historic, like their Obama votes in 2008.

      1. Indeed; rich and powerful people will be falling over themselves to do everything they can to put Hillary in the White House, just so they can immortalize themselves for electing the first woman president. The history books will speak of how they fought a great fight and “defeated the Great Misogynist Donald Trump to shatter the glass ceiling.”

        This election is over. Best start thinking about 2020.

  15. Would really appreciate more articles like this, but who am I kidding…it probably doesn’t bring the revenue.

    1. Compare the number of comments on this to the number on the various Trump articles. Comments = page views = money.

      1. We can solve that! Quick everyone, let’s fight over what level of income tax is ok.

        1. let’s fight over what level of income tax is ok.

          Typical whining by a statist.
          (sarc)

          FUCK the income tax. Ron Paul “wants to” abolish the IRS. Says we can run the entire federal government on (mostly) the FICA tax. Totally impossible, even bat-shit crazy, but he “wants to” which is all that matters!

          1. Is he running? What year do you think it is.
            You can run a government on any amount of income, as the US has shown for a while now.
            Or, better yet. Fuck you, cut spending.

            1. Michael Hihn is, like, 80. He has no idea what year it is.

              1. Citizen X|3.2.16 @ 3:38PM|#
                Michael Hihn is, like, 80. He has no idea what year it is.

                (laughing) Same fuckup as the other one.

            2. Is he running?

              No. Why do you ask?

              What year do you think it is.

              2016, why do you ask?

              You can run a government on any amount of income, as the US has shown for a while now.

              Umm, FUCK a $30 trillion deficit you say.

              And, since Medicare is financed with a quarter-trillion of INCOME taxes. Ron (and you) believe we can run the entire federal government on FICA taxes only … AND cutting Medicare by 40%. Damn, voters would be standing in long lines to vote for that!

              Or, better yet. Fuck you, cut spending.

              (lol) Where? How many votes will you get by (literally) pushing grandma off a cliff? Most libertarians rank spending cuts above tax cuts, so you’re getting close to reality.

              Sorry, I thought you were kidding about debating the level of income tax.

              1. How many votes will you get by (literally) pushing grandma off a cliff?

                It’s not my fault she tethered herself to the mountain with a rope made of Social Security checks. I mean, who does that?

                1. kbolino, answer the question, coward.
                  Then explain your love of dictatorships.
                  If you’re capable of either.

          2. Of all the things to bring you out of hiding, it’s THIS? Some random ass comment by a new guy?

                1. coloraDOOM|3.2.16 @ 4:56PM|#
                  Stalker.

                  Yes you are. And a cyber-bully.
                  Why are you running away from this?

                  https://reason.com/blog/2016/03…..nt_5947927

                    1. Why are you running away from this?

                      ???????

                      (laughing) Click the link.
                      It shows just SOME of the issues you keep running away from.

        2. No, if you really want the comments to go through the roof:

          Chicago Deep Dish is the best pizza!

          Mexicans, weed, and ass-sex!

            1. Yes I’m circumcised, why do you ask?

          1. Chicago Deep Dish is a very fine meal. I’ve had Uno, and the Lou Malnati version, and other
            pies from less famous places.

            It just isn’t, y’know, pizza.

            Kevin R

            1. Deep Six Pizza is the best.

        3. Income tax? Zero. None.

          Other taxes are open to debate.

            1. Damn. We agree.

              This is why the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians. Your cult sneers at voters and elections.

              1. What I want and what I accept are not the same. I’d be happy to support a flat tax of less than 15%

                1. What I want and what I accept are not the same. I’d be happy to support a flat tax of less than 15%

                  Umm, That’s too extreme for even Ayn Rand!
                  How do you get elected on a 45-50% tax cut for millionaires and billionaires — thus confirming what the crazies say about capitalism? Spending cuts must come first (duh). But those are harder to invent talking points for.

                  Like you’ve already supported a 40% cut in Medicare. So you lose all the votes of seniors, their children and grandchildren. It’s all so simple if you’re totally clueless on what’s involved. And eager to be manipulated.

                  What percentage of middle-class income taxes is subsidized by the rich?
                  For maximum relevance, the “core” middle class, $40-100k gross income.

              2. Well seeing as where voters and elections have gotten us….

                1. IceTrey|3.2.16 @ 5:02PM|#
                  Well seeing as where voters and elections have gotten us….

                  Eventually, you people always devolve to a dictatorship. Your contempt for a free society is appalling, but inevitable when you refuse to deal with liberty.

                  1. You’ve got it backwards Mike. When The People have contempt for a free society, which do you choose, freedom? Or the (tyrannical) will of the people? Libertarians favor freedom. That’s why it’s called libertarianism instead of populism.

                    1. You’ve got it backwards Mike.

                      You fail to support that here, and have nothing at all to do with what I said.

                      When The People have contempt for a free society, which do you choose, freedom? Or the (tyrannical) will of the people?

                      How does that apply here?

                      Libertarians favor freedom. That’s why it’s called libertarianism instead of populism

                      Umm, do you have anything even remotely relevant to what I said? Read it again:

                      Umm, That’s too extreme for even Ayn Rand!
                      How do you get elected on a 45-50% tax cut for millionaires and billionaires — thus confirming what the crazies say about capitalism? Spending cuts must come first (duh). But those are harder to invent talking points for.

                      Like you’ve already supported a 40% cut in Medicare. So you lose all the votes of seniors, their children and grandchildren. It’s all so simple if you’re totally clueless on what’s involved. And eager to be manipulated.

                      What percentage of middle-class income taxes is subsidized by the rich?
                      For maximum relevance, the “core” middle class, $40-100k gross income

                      Can you focus on the topic?.

                      Your contempt for a free society may be even worse than his.

                  2. How exactly does a system in which the initiatory use of force is strictly prohibited devolve to dictatorship?

                    1. Because you people totally reject any need to get elected as somehow sinful,. thus your contempt for a free society and your (unwitting) defense of dictatorships..

                      Like here, when you express contempt for elections and voters.

                      https://reason.com/blog/2016/03…..nt_5948111

                      For the totally naive, this leaves only the same dictatorship you claim to avoid.
                      I’ll ask again what confuses you on a dictatorship versus elections. You have yet to grasp the totality of individual liberty. Showing how easy it is to manipulate the gullible.

                    2. No, I expressed contempt for where voters and elections have gotten us. In other words for the outcome not the process.

                    3. No, I expressed contempt for where voters and elections have gotten us. In other words for the outcome not the process

                      (yawn) I’ve already linked to the truth, and I invite anyone to see your evasion themselves. You rejected the process of seeking voter approval repeatedly, BECAUSE you don’t like the outcome and reject any attempt to influence people lacking your purity. Or you wouldn’t ridicule the need to get elected, as your ilk always does.

                      Perhaps now you’ve realized the moral and intellectual bankruptcy of your authoritarianism.

                    4. Why should we have to get enough people elected to bring about change to not have our human rights violated? Your argument is that we shouldn’t complain about that since the people have voted which is insanity.

          1. Income tax? Zero. None.

            Another follower of the Paulista Cult! Says we can repeal the income tax, run the entire federal government on FICA taxes alone, but ONLY if we immediately cut Medicare by 40%

            Other taxes are open to debate

            In your mental hospital perhaps. Tell us how to get elected and actually do any of that … when movement libertarians are only 5.3% of voters. Hoee many of that 5.3% will take up arms in the revolution you’re demanding?

            1. Listen up, Hihn. If you don’t want to end the income tax, which is straight up slavery, you are not a libertaran. It’s that simple.

              1. No, no. You see, the fruits of your labor were only possibly because of government. It’s only logical that they take some.
                “You didn’t build that.”

                1. No, no. You see, the fruits of your labor were only possibly because of government. It’s only logical that they take some. “You didn’t build that.”

                  You attack me for your own fucking stupidity. Like your crazy plan to repeal the income tax, run the entire country on FICA taxes, AND cut Medicare by 40%.

                  Again what percentage of the income taxes for the core middle class ($40-100k) is subsidized by the rich. And why do you REFUSE to deal with ANY actual facts?

              2. Listen up, Hihn.

                (snicker)

                If you don’t want to end the income tax, which is straight up slavery, you are not a libertaran. It’s that simple

                Pay attention. Read what I actually said. Even Ayn Rand said you’re a wacko.

            2. We’re just waiting for Atlas to shrug.

              1. It takes more than waiting around for a savior to arise from the east.

                1. No, eventually this society is going to implode on it’s own. It’s untenable. Any system except capitalism is doomed.

                  1. Any system except capitalism is doomed.

                    And the moon is made of green cheese! Thousands of years of human history says you have nothing to offer but slogans.

                    1. We have everything to offer it just hasn’t been accepted.

                    2. We have everything to offer it just hasn’t been accepted.

                      Because you people intentionally reject NEEDING acceptance, every bit as self-righteous as the Christian Taliban. Pounding one’s chest is not moral suasion; it’s the exact opposite.

                      Eric Hoffer was the first to define it, fifty years ago,

                      Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers. -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers”

                      Throughout human history, the worst moral atrocities have been committed by those who are manipulated into believing that they are defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party or a God. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous. Thousands of years of oppression.

                    3. So we want people to accept capitalism by not wanting people to accept capitalism? The greater good of capitalism is individualism. People will commit moral atrocities on themselves?

                    4. So we want people to accept capitalism by not wanting people to accept capitalism?

                      Are you illiterate or a liar? You’ve proven my point. You justify using force because you BELIEVE you’re defending a a greater good.

                      those who are manipulated into believing that they are defending some “greater good”

                      The greater good of capitalism is individualism. People will commit moral atrocities on themselves

                      Thus proving my point again.
                      Thanks for continuing to help me show the moral bankruptcy of you people rejecting any need to get elected.

                    5. Now I see, you’re just fucking nuts.

            3. I see where Ron Paul has said he could run the govt with tariffs and excise taxes. But FICA taxes? WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? Link would be appreciated.

              http://www.ronpaul.com/taxes/

              1. I see where Ron Paul has said he could run the govt with tariffs and excise taxes. But FICA taxes? WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? Link would be appreciated.

                Thanks. I enjoy documenting the extent of his total bullshit. You seriously don’t know how massive FICA revenues are? These are the percentages, now and after repeal,

                FICA = 32% now, 64% after repeal.
                Tarriffs = 1% now, 2% after repeal.
                Excises = 3% now, 6% afterward.

                So Ron Paul says he can run the entire federal government, including entitlements(!),on $150 billion … 4% of current revenues! His supporters, like most voters, have no clue what budget numbers are. But if he even mentioned FICA, his scam would instantly explode for most voters.

                http://bitly.com/1QmOR6e (about halfway down)

                This is a spreadsheet from the whitehouse but not as easy to read.

                http://bitly.com/1QmOI2w

                .

                1. I don’t think he means as the government currently exists. If it’s limited solely to defending individual negative liberty, then ya. In other words if it was capitalist.

                  1. I don’t think he means as the government currently exists.

                    Clearly you have no idea what he means, which is::

                    We could eliminate the income tax, replace it with nothing, and still fund the same level of big government we had in the late 1990s.
                    http://www.ronpaul.com/2009-04…..h-the-irs/

                    I’ve already documented that as egregious bullshit — covered up by his refusal to EVER mention FICA taxes, which would expose the con..

                    If it’s limited solely to defending individual negative liberty,

                    But it’s not even close. So in effect, you’ve acknowledged him as a bullshitter. And even that can’t be done for $150 billion. You’ve been suckered any way you cut it..

                    1. “To provide funding for the federal government, Ron Paul supports excise taxes, non-protectionist tariffs, MASSIVE CUTS IN SPENDING.”

                      So I was right and you were wrong. This is 2016 and he was talking about 1998 levels of spending.

                    2. (laughing) He needs to cut total spending to $150 billion — as you ignored again. Reality is the enemy of loyal cult followers. And simple math.

                    3. Spending in ’98 was 1.65 trillion.

                    4. Third repeat: $150 billion is the revenue from excises and tariffs that Ron Paul says is all he needs … as he brainwashes his cult. How many times must you be reminded?

        4. Off hand, I’d say 0 percent. If that won’t fly, how about an Alternative Maximum Tax of 10,000 dollars. Pay that much in a year and you’re in the clear — withholding stops, and you don’t need to file any additional details.

          1. There’s no need for taxes in Libertopia.

            1. But even Ayn Rand knew that would be the very last step. The very last reform.
              Thus kinda useless.

              Hysterically, libertopia is NOT a free society. We’ve been promoting libertarianism for ourselves instead of a free society for everyone. This is why we fail. A moment of thought will conclude that libertarians would be only one of hundreds of tribes. duh.

              1. I feel more likely to evolve to a Panarchist humanity with different tribes of humans living with others who want to voluntarily achieve the same ends

                1. Precisely why libertopia is bullshit for the aggressively gullible. Libertopia is the precise opposite of a free society. But if each community is voluntary, it need not be panarchist at all, by definition, the same fallacy as libertopia.

                  As a great man described it:

                  In a libertarian society, we all live in gated communities with private police forces and competing court systems. John Galt’s statue stands in every town square. That’s libertopia, but is it a free society?

                  In a free society, Galt’s Gulch exists right next to a Marxist commune ? lesbians up the street from a community of Christian Fundies ?. retired Catholic priests across the field from Wiccans. Each community would be voluntarily populated. And that statue would be Voltaire, inscribed: “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

                  We’ve never promoted a free society. Not ever. Which is why we have NOTHING to show after 40 years.

                  Instead of selling our values ?. why not defend theirs? “I may disagree with how you live, but I will defend to the death you right to do so. In return, I ask only that you defend my right to do likewise ? to live my life, my way, without threatening you in any way.”

                  In a free society, nobody needs to be libertarian. We need only agree to “live and let live.” I believe it’s called the Non-Aggression Principle.

                  Copyright 1998-2016 Michael J Hihn. All Rights Reserved

                  1. There’s no need for gates in Libertopia. Why should anyone defend YOUR way of living? If I’m a Catholic priest and you’re Wiccan shouldn’t I be free to oppose your beliefs and way of living as long as I do not initaite the use of force? You’re asking for positive liberty when libertarianism is all about negative liberty.

                    1. There’s no need for gates in Libertopia.

                      Now you say there would be no no crime in libertopia!

                      Why should anyone defend YOUR way of living?

                      That’s your position … and ;what libertopia is. Read it again..

                      If I’m a Catholic priest and you’re Wiccan shouldn’t I be free to oppose your beliefs and way of living as long as I do not initaite the use of force?

                      That’s my point, and why libertopia is NOT a free society. (yawn)

                      You’re asking for positive liberty when libertarianism is all about negative liberty.

                      OMFG

              2. “We’ve been promoting libertarianism for ourselves instead of a free society for everyone.”

                Speak for yourself.

                1. Speak for yourself

                  Which part confused you?

                  In a libertarian society, we all live in gated communities with private police forces and competing court systems. John Galt’s statue stands in every town square. That’s libertopia, but is it a free society?

                  In a free society, Galt’s Gulch exists right next to a Marxist commune ? lesbians up the street from a community of Christian Fundies ?. retired Catholic priests across the field from Wiccans. Each community would be voluntarily populated. And that statue would be Voltaire, inscribed: “I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”

                  We’ve never promoted a free society. Not ever. Which is why we have NOTHING to show after 40 years.

                  Instead of selling our values ?. why not defend theirs? “I may disagree with how you live, but I will defend to the death you right to do so. In return, I ask only that you defend my right to do likewise ? to live my life, my way, without threatening you in any way.”

                  In a free society, nobody needs to be libertarian. We need only agree to “live and let live.” I believe it’s called the Non-Aggression Principle.

  16. Johnson is still waiting for big money that supports small government and the Constitution to look at Trump and come to the Libertarian Party.

    And I’m still waiting for Amber Heard to show up at my door and offer me a BJ and a fuck.

    Something tells we’ll both be waiting a very, very long time.

  17. With Rand Paul out the only choice left is the Libertarian Party.

    1. Amen brother.

  18. LOL…what “might” they do?

    1. Jack
    2. Sh*t

  19. Johnson is a perfect candidate, gifted with messaging skills. He can talk to the so-called average voter.
    But he’s never has a coherent policy platform (or issue) and the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians (Cato/Zogby Poll)

    http://www.cato.org/policy-rep…..-2004-2006

    The anti-gumint wing may have destroyed the libertarian movement entirely … as opposed to the pro-liberty wing which has elected thousands of libertarians to local office.

      1. We’re not really joiners.

        Except that you suck off the American electorate.
        As 91% of libertarians reject your ilk,
        And sneering is how your 5.3% of the voters will create a free society.
        Wow, I never thought of that!

        1. That 5.3% is who is going to build a free society after the inevitable collapse of this one.

          1. You actually said that in public? You have a tiny minority of both votes and “soldiers.”
            When this one collapses, it gets replaced by a dictatorship.
            When you get to high school, you’ll take World History …

        2. Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination in 2012 with 10 million popular votes in the primaries and caucuses. That seems awfully close to 5.3% of the voters.

          1. Mitt Romney won the Republican nomination in 2012 with 10 million popular votes in the primaries and caucuses. That seems awfully close to 5.3% of the voters

            Are you joking? You ignore the 59% majority? You believe elections can be won with 5.3% of the voters?
            And winning a partisan primary is the same as winning a general election?

    1. He needs a new hair style.

    2. Thousands? Really? I think you mean dozens.

      The anti-government purists are the ones spreading the message.

      But a moderate libertarian like Gary Johnson with an exceptional resume as a uniting and successful state governor and a successful businessman should seem to be an appealing alternative to Trump/Clinton, shouldn’t it?

      1. Re: Thousands of libertarians elected to public office.

        Thousands? Really? I think you mean dozens.

        Out of 75 million? I worked personally with over a hundred. You people just aren’t connected. Then there’s the math.

        The anti-government purists are the ones spreading the message.

        So 5,3% is more persuasive than 59%? When the Paulistas are extreme social conservatives and phony federalist bigots?

        But a moderate libertarian like Gary Johnson with an exceptional resume as a uniting and successful state governor and a successful businessman should seem to be an appealing alternative to Trump/Clinton, shouldn’t it?

        Not without a credible policy platform — which is WHY you people will never spread any messages. Totally clueless on electoral politics, intentionally.

        1. Aw, Hihn, are you Ready for Hillary?

        2. If you hate federalism and you’re pro-government, what exactly makes you a libertarian? You’re against sodomy laws? Great, what a bold stance.

          1. Pull your head out of your ass.
            1) I strongly support federalism. I detest “phony federalist bigots” Do you know the difference?
            2) If you saw anything to conclude I’m pro-government, then wipe the drool dripping down your chin.

          2. He likes abortion as a “right” too.

            Hihn has declared Kaisich as the most libertarian candidate. He has also declared that Ronald Reagan was a Libertarian. It is safe to assume that Hihn has mental issues and a Zogby poll indicates that 91% of Libertarians reject 91% of what the old, demented fool says.

            1. More Paulista Cult lies!

              He likes abortion as a “right” too.

              duh … LIBERTY is an unalienable right, guaranteed by 9th Amendment (rejected by the Cult). A woman’s right to Liberty is equal to a fetal child’s right to Life …per the definition of unalienable!!

              Hihn has declared Kaisich as the most libertarian candidate.

              A VERY low bar. (lol) Then the only one to accept gay marriage. Earlier led tax and spending cuts leading to a balanced federal budget. But he has since defunded Planned Parenthood.

              He has also declared that Ronald Reagan was a Libertarian.

              (lol) Milton Friedman said the same thing, chump! Fiscally conservative and socially liberal!!!
              Led the fight to defeat an initiative to ban gay teachers, the first defeat for the anti-gay Anita Bryant Crusade in the Taliban, which then collapsed (brought down by Reagan).

              Attacked by Falwell and Robertson for “talking the talk” on issues like abortion, but refusing to help ban it. Ummm, opposing abortion WITHOUT using state power is what libertarians do, genius. Versus the Cult’s KKK view of federalism.

              His Grace Commission spending cuts would have saved $10 trillion by now. When blocked in a GOP Senate, he began asking for a Line Item Veto … against his own party.

              You’ve been humiliated again. Just another authoritarian Paulista Cultist. Shame on you.

  20. Thanks for posting this article. Please Reason, make more like it.

      1. Thirded, Fuck the GOP clown show

  21. I really hope that lawsuit sees some success. Even if all it would end up doing is letting a 3rd Party candidate get asked one question for every ten asked to the Dem and Rep candidates that would still be far more coverage than 3rd parties get now. Also, please Reason, run more stuff like this. Republicans and Democrats get enough coverage. Start promoting the LP and the LP candidates. Especially in elections for offices besides the office of president. If we want the Republican Party to go the way of the Whigs, we need to promote a replacement to make that happen.

    1. If we can get a single debate with the lp candidate vs trump and Clinton, we could get a lot of people to not just dismiss the lp without thought. It would go a long way.

      1. It would certainly give people a tangible reason to dismiss the lp.

        1. That’s an improvement

      2. Bring back the League of Women Voters running the debates then. The Commission on Presidential Debates are nothing but a Dem/Rep gatekeeper.

      3. And you have to wonder the kind of dirt McAfee has on Trump and Clitdong, id love to see their dirty laundry aired on national TV at the debates

        1. While you were of the planet, that’s been done hundreds of times. But I agree he’s incapable of promoting the benefits of liberty to voters.

  22. Seriously, wasn’t there a Libertarian debate this weekend? I was expecting Reason to at least report on it. Nobody else has.

    1. The big debate is on April 1st I think. Stossel’s show.

      1. Which part of that falls under “April Fools!”, the debate or Stossel’s show?

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  24. I mean, I won’t lie, part of me is like, “The alternatives so far are Clinton and Trump. Surely, SURELY, a Libertarian candidate can get, what, 5% of the national vote? I mean, Donald Trump, for crissakes!” But another part of me is terrified that the answer is, “No, he can’t, because the overwhelming majority of people are mouthbreathing windowlickers and will vote for whoever says ‘Free ponies!’ the most.”

    Also, Reason, please let’s have more of these articles. I hear enough about Trump and Hillary elsewhere.

    1. I think your windowlicker (whatever that is) guess is probably the correct one.

        1. Every time I see the phrase I’m reminded of a local shop that has (or had…think it closed) 2 monkeys in a cage at the front glass. Went by one evening, and one of the monkeys was obsessively licking the front window pane.

          1. I think you are supposed to swallow window pane.

    2. Another answer: “Voting 3rd Party is really just voting for the Democrat/Republican. You may not like Clinton/Trump, but would you rather Trump/Clinton win?” People have been well trained to ultimately put party over principle.

      1. Ask them: “would you rather force both looter parties to change their stupid platforms?”

    3. And people still fear wasting their vote, even when their vote doesn’t matter in the slightest, and would be much more powerful if they voted and gave a third party candidate they agree with an eye-catching total.

    4. “free ponies for most” – this has not been a very successful campaign so far for Vermin Supreme

  25. Promise to make the wall higher than Trump’s wall?

    1. Apparently Trump has never heard of a tunnel or the ocean.

      1. My wall will extend a mile underground, like the one on Under the Dome.

      2. Apparently neither have his voters.

      3. Or a ladder.

  26. I don’t see how someone pro-life can call themselves libertarian. They want the government to violate the property rights of the mother.

    1. An unborn child is property? Or where you being sarcastic?

    2. Something about the government being instituted among men (and women) for the protection of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Doesn’t life come first?

    3. Almost nobody is 100% in-line with their claimed ideology.

      1. Almost nobody is 100% in-line with their claimed ideology

        FTFY

    4. Why I Am a Pro-Life Libertarian by Stephanie Slade
      https://reason.com/blog/2015/08…..e-libertar

      1. Total hypocrisy. Rejects the founding concept of equal, unalienable and/or God-given rights.
        The woman’s right to Liberty and the fetal child’s right to Life are precisely equal. Per the definition of unalienable. What does it say when a political position is totally demolished by a dictionary definition?
        By the English language?

        1. I don’t think rights work the way you seem to think. If I invite you into my home, I can’t order you to leave and shoot you one second later before you’ve physically had a chance to leave.

          Your line of thinking might have some relevance to cases of rape, but in all other situations, the pregnancy is the result of the free choices of the woman, and it simply isn’t possible for the fetus to vacate the womb (much as isn’t possible for you to leave my home within one second in the above scenario).

          1. I don’t think rights work the way you seem to think

            Yours is a common error, from your refusal to check a dictionary,

            I can’t order you to leave and shoot you one second later before you’ve physically had a chance to leave.

            That’s a popular strawman fallacy, irrelevant here, as you keep ducking the issue..

            the pregnancy is the result of the free choices of the woman,

            So? Another popular strawman fallacy.

            You refuse to check a dictionary. You say a woman forfeits her unalienable rights by ? having sex. Perhaps in the Old Testament, but not here and now,

            and it simply isn’t possible for the fetus to vacate the womb

            That’s MY point. It’s WHY the rights are in conflict, which ONLY the judiciary is empowered to resolve , a “compromise” to best defend BOTH rights. Equally.

            (much as isn’t possible for you to leave my home within one second in the above scenario).

            Strawman fallacy. Irrelevant.

            I’ve been respectful of your comments. Please do likewise and check a dictionary.

            I know rights don’t work the way you’ve been misled. How do women forfeit a God-given right by having sex? Are any other God-given rights that can be taken back? What are they?. How long is the suspension? And on what authority do you make such a claim?

            1. I didn’t duck the issue; rather, you missed the point, which is that rights do not exist as absolutes in some kind of conceptual vacuum but instead within the context of reality.

              Another scenario demonstrating this point: Let’s say that I am walking through the forest. Unknown to me, you have recently acquired property rights in a patch of forest which I am entering. There are no fences or signs, no marks of habitation or production, and no other indications of ownership. You cannot justifiably shoot me from afar without warning.

              It is a legitimate role of law to clarify the interaction and arbitration of rights. It is a legitimate function of courts to declare those laws unjust.

              Also, realize that I am not here arguing for laws against abortion, but rather against your charge of hypocrisy.

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  28. Libertarian party? What about the children?

  29. They would probably walk up to Donald Trump, shake his hand, and then give him a good swift kick in his crotch. Game set match.

    No really, it’s all academic. The libertarian moment is gone. They can say what they will, but Hillary and Donald aren’t going to notice.

  30. Hope they get attacked by Trump?

    If he ignored them it would prove their insignificance.

  31. Democracy is two nazis and a Jew voting on who’s paintings will be confiscated by the state to fund the already voted on invasion of Poland.

  32. . But Trump’s policy commitments, Johnson notes, could easily be seen to arise from racism, “and if you are going to vote for Trump, you are willing to take on that label” though he grants most Trump supporters don’t perceive their fears about immigration as rooted in race necessarily.

    Hey, Johnson should write for Reason. He already has the proper attitude – bend over when people call you a racist.

  33. Oh no, another opportunity for libertarians to salivate over Gary’s Johnson. Oh no, another libertarian who makes people think being libertarian is just about weed. Ron Paul was great for liberty. Gary Johnson is for libertarianism like pocket protectors are good for getting attractive women. Enough Gary Johnson already.

    1. Agreed, in the current state of the world its a John McAfee that’s going to win the popularity contest that is the presidential race, hes the only candidate that’s actively fighting the government spy apparatus that’s left in the game at this point. when it comes down to it GJ is a politician, Petersen is a fucking republican dipshit, and Darryl Perry (most ideologically pure) is a few libertarian presidencies ahead of his time, and even though hes my favorite, I know he would be destroyed by the oligarchs. After listening to the debates i’m convinced on McAfee

    2. Ron Paul was great for liberty

      If one believes the Christian Taliban is a defender of liberty. Or agrees with Ron’s support of the KKK version of federalism … rejects the founding principle of equal, unalienable and/or God-given rights … thinks government CREATES rights …. and is crazy enough to think he can repeal the income tax, replace it with nothing and run the most of the federal government with FICA taxes! (OMG)
      What a collection of losers

  34. I was one of Johnson’s 1.2 million votes in 2012. To call it disappointing would be an understatement. First, I was sure that we’d pull more support than that. Second, I was sure that with the economy in the crapper for the entirety of his first term, there’d be no way possible for Obama to win a second term.

    (showing just how horrifically bad of a prognosticator I am, I also predicted that the economy just had to recover during his second term – no matter what he did in office. I also predicted loudly and often that Trump would never get any votes once the real primaries started. I also, also predicted that Rand Paul would be in the race for the duration, if for no other reason than to promulgate his ideas and build his brand. As you can see, I’m horrific at predicting political things. )

    1. Johnson needs a policy platform, which libertarians have never had … and still don’t. “Git gummint out” is not policy, which is why Trump took most of Rand’s his voters.

      Rand’s failure proved what Ron Paul’s Liberty Movement really is, when Rand TOTALLY failed to expand (or understand) the so-called liberty movement.

      He did proper outreach to the social liberals at Berkeley, using non-intervention and civil liberties. Then he pissed it ll away by calling for religious tent revivals as a shameful suckup to the anti-gay bigots. Totally retarded on forming coalitions, just like his dad (a frequent guest on psycho Alex Jones)

  35. Holy shit! Has there ever been a more manchurian candidate than Marco? He reminds me of Eyes Wide Shut. Jeb is NIck Nailor. Ted Cruz is Tom Cruise. Donald Trump is Sydney Pollack. Ben Carson is the hooker with aids.
    John Kasich is her roomate.

    1. At least Rand Paul is gone.

  36. I’m a New Mexico resident. Lived her during Johnson’s tenure. He was pretty freaking amazing. Only time in my life a major politician was effective. Dramatic spending cuts, deficit went to surplus, and by the time he left the state was widely seen as the most business friendly in the nation (a title it quickly lost under Bill Richardson, who followed).

    He’s got my vote, and I bet he gets 5 – 7% this year, which would be the best showing the Libertarians have ever had.

    He’d get 20% or more if conservatives weren’t so loony about illegal immigration.

  37. Also lol Chris Cristie is the costume store owner. LOL.

  38. Stewart and Cyto you exemplify the tradegy of knowlege. Why cant u just be stupid and watch E channel. All your talk about good government which includes freedom and low taxes makes my head hurt. What are the Kardasians doing?

  39. Rubion’s master is that dud in the red mask during the orgy scene. Which was awsome totally awesome.

  40. if Rand Paul had got the nomination I might have voted.

    1. Another sucker, mesmerized by extreme social conservatism and a KKK view of our constitution.

  41. But lests be real. Reagan was bread on libertarianism. Goldwater was trure. Grover Cleveland no one remembers except us. This shits been going on for 150 years, No one ever gets convinced, You only get undergrad econimic majors. Then u get bussiness school. But all business school is to protect business. Cuz we want to make money and politics matters. But only to get people to agree with u.

  42. Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole. However he has a plus. He upsets everyone of the elite. Not just politicians but the commentariat. He insults all the people that need insulting. He is clearly a facist. He doesnt even hide his mo. Ofcouse i never vote so just leave me the fuck alone.

    1. Donald Trump is an arrogant asshole.

      Ron Paul is his mentor .,.. even to the whining and arm-waving.

  43. Business can somewhat live with a facist. We cannot live with a socialist.

  44. trump is the legacy of Pat Buchanan

  45. its called paleo con

  46. the theory is nationalism socialism combined with tradition. This is not Trump’s opinion. But this is kinda what everyone knows. This is why the david duke stuff is coming up.
    s”

  47. bottom line, one again. Someone evil will be in the white house. What are u gonna do about it?
    i will do nothing

    1. Many slaves were as willing as you are to be enslaved.

  48. whatcing them, maybe i dont want a leader.

    Maybe i can choose how to lead my own life.

    im probably a bad example. They have to shame.

    Let that be a lesson. Thoughtful introspect people loose. Bafoons win elections. Why participate?

  49. Youre vote means nothing either way. However if u vote u are consenting to be governed,

    1. However if u vote u are consenting to be governed,

      That’s the kind of wackiness that causes the libertarian brand to be rejected by 91% of LIBERTARIANS.

      You people believe that we can transition to you purist society … in a single step ,… without ever winning an election. But you have no clue HOW to do it .. and sneer at the notion you even need to explain what you clearly cannot grasp, because you cannot grasp, it.

  50. libertrarians dont vote

    1. libertarians don’t vote

      Only the ones with a functioning brain, which is a 91% majority of libertarians. (Cato/Zogby survey)

  51. ‘How, Johnson wonders, does he expect to build a wall across the Rio Grande?’

    Same way they can build a wall across the Colorado River. Divert the water for agricultural use, say near Big Bend, then imbed a soda straw in the wall for any bit of seepage that makes its way to the border. Easy peasy.

    I like Gary, I think he had a lot of potential. I think he was a good governor, might have been a real libertarian asset in congress. I voted for him in 2012. But this year, as a CEO of a marijauna marketing company, he wants to run again??? Terrible optics. Gary, I hope you achieve great things in your business venture, and make a butt-load of money. Maybe even have an impact on fighting the drug war. But as the libertarian party candidate for president, I just don’t see it as helping the cause. I think it will hurt us, and sorry friend, I won’t support you. Others may feel differently, I’m just saying what I think.

    1. anyone who would not vote for him because of the marijuana business would never have voted for any libertarian candidate. the war on drugs is one of the few consistent and clear policy points we have, that also has a chance of becoming law.

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  54. I am hoping on a McAfee win for the LP primary for the following reasons;

    If GJ succeeds in getting the LP on the debate stage for the 2016 Presidential debates the best positioned candidate for utterly destroying the reputations of Clinton and Trump is John McAfee, if you wanna know what Clinton wiped from her servers or all the nefarious dealings of Trump, hes going to be the guy who can come up with (most likely already has) the damning evidence against them. GJ will be a politician, which may have worked against a percieved establishment candidate but will not work on a battlefield against The Donald, IMHO the LP needs someone who can out Trump the Trump

    John McAfee is right about the need to redefine how we are hiring our technical experts for the nations cyber-security (currently we hire clean cut relatively intelligent college majors and he would replace them with actual experts no matter where they were found) because even if no one wants to admit it, we are at the start of the Digital Age of humanity, we need someone with the knowledge of what that means in a position to organize our society to represent that.

    The dude has been through some shit, seen some shit, and lived to tell the tale. Hes light-years beyond the current crop of candidates in life experience and hes admittedly dosed before (which is a prerequisite for executive powers in my book)

    feel free to disagree, i just wanted to promote who i feel is the best candidate

    1. i think McAfee might have drawn more people in a different political environment, but trump is already sucking up a lot of the “i want a crazy outsider” vote. he also never has a chance of actually getting elected, no matter how far you stretch the hope. not holding out hope that any libertarian candidate could win, but GJ seems like a more plausible option. with the people who are ready to rebel against the GOP, if trump wins, his being a former politician is an asset, not a liability. remember, the people not interested in experience or track records are already pretty locked in on trump. the dems who could theoretically swing away from Hillary for her issues are also less likely to be attracted by a billionaire with McAfee’s.

      GJ is not perfect, but he does seem to be the most electable. the biggest liability is the pot related business… where most of the country agrees with libertarians… but the people who will not vote for him based on that, would never vote for a libertarian at all.

    2. the best positioned candidate for utterly destroying the reputations of Clinton and Trump is John McAfee

      That’s why the LP never gets anywhere. They reject common sense, “Always be pro-liberty; never be ant-government.”

      And it’s not just party libertarians who are totally incompetent at showing the benefits of liberty to voters.
      Successful Salesmanship and Marketing has never consisted of attacking the competition. Hence,
      “sell the sizzle, not the steak”
      “sell benefits, not features.”

      First-years salespeople know that, even if their early 20s.

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    1. Ron Paul has seriously damaged the libertarian movement. Ironically, the party has resisted his blasphemy more then the movement libertarians, one major reason the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians.

      1. Never forget that Ron is a Republican antiabortionist. He did make a deal with the LP to downplay that for the campaign.

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  59. RE: How Might Libertarian Party Presidential Candidates Deal with Donald Trump as Their GOP Opponent?

    How about a debate with Comrade Bernie, Hitlery and the spoiled rich boy, Trump.
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    The little people are not allowed to debate the duocracy.
    Otherwise this country might turn out to be free and fair after all.
    We can’t have that now can we?

  60. Apple could offer to match any fines and expenses forced on it with donations to libertarian candidates.

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