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Politics

Mainstream Media Finally Takes Interest in Massive Discrepancy Between Hillary Clinton and the Benghazi Families

Did she or did she not promise to 'have the film maker arrested who was responsible'? The Washington Post advances the story.

Matt Welch | 1.4.2016 12:10 PM

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Helluva perp walk for a probation violation. ||| Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times
Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

If Hillary Clinton told one or more bereaved family members at a Sept. 14, 2012 ceremony for the four U.S. personnel killed in Benghazi that "We are going to have the film maker arrested who was responsible for the death of [your] son," that would be big news for at least three reasons. 1) The administration official in charge of American foreign policy (and the biggest Cabinet-level influencer of the U.S. intervention into Libya) would be laying direct responsibility not on the Libyan perpetrators of the deadly, armed, and at least semi-planned attack, but on an amateur filmmaker in Cerritos, California whose allegedly triggering trailer was posted on YouTube three months prior. 2) A secretary of state would be vowing an as-yet unannounced prosecution by a department she does not and certainly should not run. 3) Said prosecution would indeed begin two weeks later. The free-speech implications alone of such a story are huge.

Hillary's word against his. ||| Fox News
Fox News

Well, that story has been in the public realm since Oct. 23, 2012, when Charles Woods, father of the slain Tyrone Woods, went on the Lars Larson radio show (and then Glenn Beck, and then Sean Hannity), telling a story that has not changed substantially over time: "She made the statement to me that first of all she was sorry," Woods told Beck, "and then she said 'We will make sure the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.'" Eventually Woods—a retired lawyer and former administrative law judge—would produce a diary (pictured), which The Weekly Standard's Stephen Hayes saw and described a few months back:

a small leather black datebook…maybe the size of a calculator, with 2012 engraved in gold on the front…. He began reading from the entry that started on September 14, the day of the ceremony, and continued into the space for the following day. It ran just five or six lines, written in pencil.

The relevant part of the entry is this:

I gave Hillary a hug and shook her hand. And she said we are going to have the film maker arrested who was responsible for the death of my son.

Again, this is pretty big news, from a credible-sounding witness (a second family member from that day, Patricia Smith, mother of the killed Sean Smith, has made similar claims, but also in a more hyperbolic manner, and without the corroborating detail). So how long did it take Hillary Clinton to be asked on the record, either by a journalist or member of Congress, to answer this explosive allegation with words other than "no" and "comment"?

Unless I am missing something (and please let me know if I am), more than 1,000 days.

Charles Woods. ||| Townhall.com
Townhall.com

The dam was finally broken this past Dec. 6 by former inner-circle Clinton administration official George Stephanopoulus. The entire relevant exchange; bolding will be mine:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Some GOP rivals and family members of the Benghazi victims are saying you lied to them in that [Oct. 23] hearing. They point to emails that you sent the night of the attack, one to your daughter, Chelsea Clinton, saying…"We were silent…two of our officers were killed in Benghazi by an al Qaeda-like group." Another one to the Egyptian prime minister, "we know that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest."

But the family members, as you know, say you told them it was by a filmmaker, you'd go after the filmmaker. Here's what they said.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATRICIA SMITH: She lied. She absolutely lied. Her daughter was able to be told differently that it was not the video, it was something else. Now if her daughter could be told, why can't I?

CHARLES WOODS: Either she was lying to the prime minister, or she was lying to me and to the American public.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

STEPHANOPOULOS: Did you tell them it was about the film? And what's your response?

CLINTON: No.

You know, look I understand the continuing grief at the loss that parents experienced with the loss of these four brave Americans. And I did testify, as you know, for 11 hours. And I answered all of these questions.

Now, I can't—I can't help it the people think there has to be something else there. I said very clearly there had been a terrorist group that had taken responsibility on Facebook between the time that I—you know, when I talked to my daughter, that was the latest information. We were giving it credibility. And then we learned the next day it wasn't true. In fact, they retracted it.

This was a fast moving series of events in the fog of war. And I think most Americans understand.

That last bolded part—"And I answered all of these questions"—is a Clintonian specialty, dating back to ancient WTF scandals like Travelgate, and continuing through the more serious questions about her private email server as secretary of state. At various times during just about any controversy, Clinton will say, with a note of exasperation, that she has already answered or revealed everything anyone could want, even though clearly she has not.

More importantly, we now had a she-said/they-said situation on our hands about an issue of some import. So how did the mainstream media cover this development? Mostly, they did not. Interest in this advancement of the story was almost exclusively covered by conservatives: The Blaze, FrontPage Magazine, Guy Benson at TownHall, and so on.

Difference may eventually be made. ||| Fox News
Fox News

Well, that changed today. Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler this morning put together the most thoroughgoing account of the discrepancies I have seen thus far, including interviews with multiple family members (including several who said they heard no such thing from Hillary Clinton that day), and this new-to-me exchange between the Democratic front-runner and Conway Daily Sun columnist Tom  McLaughlin:

McLaughlin: "Somebody is lying. Who is it?"

Clinton: "Not me, that's all I can tell you….I can't recite for you everything that was in a conversation where people were sobbing, where people were distraught, the president and the vice president, we were all making the rounds talking to people, listening to people. I was in a very difficult position because we have not yet said two of the four dead were CIA … This was a part of the fog of war."

Note: If Charles Woods is indeed lying, his lie involves a former lawyer and judge making an intentionally fraudulent entry into his diary. I think there's a good reason why Clinton is giving herself the wiggle room of "I can't recite for you everything that was in a conversation where people were sobbing," while intimating that grief-stricken families may have heard or conflated something that didn't precisely take place like that (a possibility Kessler seriously entertains).

Ultimately, Kessler gives the controversy a "No Rating" on his fact-checking scale, which seems appropriate given what we know, and the reporting he has done to move the story further. His kicker:

Clearly we cannot come to a resolution that would be beyond dispute. Readers will have to come to their own conclusions based on the evidence we have assembled.

It's a shame, and a revealing one, that it took this long for the mainstream media as a whole to take seriously this story. Kudos to Glenn Kessler for breaking the ice.

Related Reason TV content: Former CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson talks about the White House's Benghazi spin:

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Matt Welch is an editor at large at Reason.

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  1. Sevo   9 years ago

    Will not matter.
    Any D. could commit buggery with an infant at high noon in the platz, and it would be ignored by the media who would focus on The Donald's most recent loud-mouthing.

    1. Chip Chipperson   9 years ago

      Yup, exactly. Obama, Hillary, and Bernie could simultaneously devour a live infant on national television while using the Constitution as a napkin and the story would be about whether Republicans were overreacting.

      1. Drake   9 years ago

        If she's losing a debate in the general election, she could pull a pistol and blow her opponents'' brains out on national TV. The next day the stories will all be how he deserved it and she didn't commit a crime.

        1. WTF   9 years ago

          Look, Trump made an obnoxious commercial, why are you trying to distract from that?!

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        2. Will Nonya   9 years ago

          They'd cite it as an example of how common sense gun laws work.

      2. albo   9 years ago

        Criticizing Hillary is perpetuating the GOP WAR ON WOMEN. So stop it.

        1. Quixote   9 years ago

          Indeed, this is all much ado about nothing. A little lie here, a little lie there, who cares? Hillary was right to promise what she promised, because we have had enough of those who disseminate trigger-speech in America under the pretext of the so-called "First Amendment." See the documentation of our great nation's leading criminal "satire" case:

          http://raphaelgolbtrial.wordpress.com/

      3. Intraveneous Woodchipper   9 years ago

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  2. ThomasD   9 years ago

    The media is not "taking an interest" this.

    They are clearing the decks of it prior to the general election.

    Geez Matt, aren't you supposed to know how this game has been played?

    Or was this your part of the assignment?

    1. Suicidy   9 years ago

      I'm amazed Matt had time to write this article. In between appearing on MSNBC, and writing Trump hit pieces.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   9 years ago

    They realize they need to get this out of the way before it taints the coronation.

    1. albo   9 years ago

      The Narrative is Hillary's Hero's Journey to becoming the first woman president and it cannot, and must not, be diverted.

    2. WTF   9 years ago

      Yes, that way when the republicans try to bring it up it will be "this is old news, already covered, move on!"

    3. DenverJ   9 years ago

      Heh, heh, you said "taint"

    4. GregMax   9 years ago

      "We already covered that in January!"

  4. F. Christmas Ape, Jr.   9 years ago

    1) Old News
    2) Fake Scandal
    3) Everyone knows Hillary is a champion of oppressed people everywhere
    4) This video was so offensive, it led to one attack on one consulate one time
    5) Vast right-wing conspiracy
    6) What, with a cloth?

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      Koch brothers.

      War on women.

      1. kV   9 years ago

        BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!!

        1. TheZeitgeist   9 years ago

          GLOBAL WARMING!!!

    2. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      If we can stop just one jihadist by throwing out the First Amendment, it's worth it. DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT SAFETY???

  5. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    "We are going to have the film maker arrested who was responsible for the death of [your] son,"

    Remember kids, putting the full might and fury of the federal government behind a dubious prosecution on trumped up charges... that's a fake scandal!

    1. MJGreen - Docile Citizen   9 years ago

      Damn that's an infuriating line, if she did speak it.

  6. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   9 years ago

    PATRICIA SMITH: She lied. She absolutely lied. Her daughter was able to be told differently that it was not the video, it was something else. Now if her daughter could be told, why can't I?

    Because Diane Reynolds is in charge! DIANE'S IN CHARGE!

    1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

      NEVER! IT IS "CHARLES IN CHARGE!"

      #scottbaiomatters

  7. brady949   9 years ago

    Hillary is terrible in every conceivable way. This is so far down the list of awful things she has said and done I can't even begin to care about it though.

    1. Just say Nikki   9 years ago

      Yeah, throwing the principle of free speech under the bus of national and international criticism as a scapegoat for her own department's culpability is way far down the list of awful things she has done.

      1. Ron   9 years ago

        Well realize this is just the first of many reason they will use to limit the 1st right after they work around the 2nd

        1. Just say Nikki   9 years ago

          The first? Surely you jest. Hillary has a long and storied history of opposition to the first amendment. Just think of how much she loved violent video games all those years ago.

          1. Matt Welch   9 years ago

            As mentioned below, there is a forthcoming Reason cover you may enjoy....

          2. DenverJ   9 years ago

            And trying to ban the movie that was critical of her, don't forget that one. That was great, it resulted in the Supreme Court saying that corporations have freedom of speech, and made all the libtards go insane. Good times, good times.

    2. HazelMeade   9 years ago

      She promised the prosecution of a private citizen over the making of a YouTube video. That s not small potatoes of you care at all about free speech.

      1. robc   9 years ago

        She has soany large potatoes, its still down the list.

      2. brady949   9 years ago

        It's small potatoes because I, like most people, don't actually believe a god damn word that comes out of her mouth.

    3. albo   9 years ago

      She's even terrible in her mendacity. She lies like she breathes, but without the subtlety of her husband.

  8. Suthenboy   9 years ago

    Clinton and Obumbles were all over TV blaming this on some damn video. The MSM were backing that claim for how long? Two weeks?

    Now they say what was well documented and seen by everyone that none of it happened?

    Fuck Cankles and anyone who supports the lying, incompetent, corrupt, criminal bitch.

    1. Juvenile Bluster   9 years ago

      That lying, incompetent, corrupt, criminal bitch is more than likely going to be our next President.

      Does anyone know where I can get a bulk purchase rate on cyanide and Flavor-Aid?

      1. Hyperion   9 years ago

        She's already promised that is she's POTUS, that she'll go way further than Obama in bypassing congress to get things done. This is one thing that she's said that I actually believe.

      2. Suthenboy   9 years ago

        No, but I can point you in the right direction for bulk purchases of ammo.

      3. Libertarius   9 years ago

        Dude, I just do not buy this idea that Hillary is going to be President. FFS I grew up in the 90's and she was already old news back then--now the left wants to dig her up twenty years later and pretend she's the latest greatest thing? lol

        This is *nothing* like the Obobo elections. There is *zero* enthusiasm for her candidacy. All those blacks whose votes were instrumental for O--how many of them are going to bother to go vote for Hillary fucking Clinton? They aren't going to give a warm shit about this election. I just hope the Republicans aren't seriously going to send Donald Trump to the election, I'm ready for him to crash and burn any day now.

        1. Garth Bigelow   9 years ago

          The founding fathers went to great lengths to make certain that something like Trump could not become president. If the GOP superPAC fueled ads don't sink him in the primaries then at the GOP convention there will be for the first time in a long time an action convention vote and the party will get rid of him then. No chance he makes it to the ticket.

          Now say at that point he still wants more attention (because I don't believe for a second he actually wants to be president.) he runs as an independent. A disenfranchised public now seeing their vote is even more meaningless than they realized vote more heavily for him than expected. Of course the way the system is designed no way he can get more votes, especially electoral votes, than the parties. But let's say he gets a few and neither party gets 270.

          Now Congress gets to vote on who the POTUS and VP are. And that would be whoever the Republican runner was.

          Theoretically Trump could win the primary and not be on the ticket, could then win the popular vote and still barely have any electoral votes and not be President.

          #onepersononevote

    2. Hyperion   9 years ago

      I seem to recall that. Didn't Obama even make appearances on some day time TV shows to spout that line? If I remember correctly, they not only said it but they went out of their way to make sure as many people heard it as possible.

  9. Ken Shultz   9 years ago

    "2) A secretary of state would be vowing an as-yet unannounced prosecution by a department she does not and certainly should not run.".

    Memo To Matt:

    Do you know who the fuck I am?

    Love,

    Hillary Clinton

    P.S. If Matt were to write another Myth of a Maverick style biography, doing it about Hillary Clinton would be the ginchiest

    1. Matt Welch   9 years ago

      The similarities are many. I think you might enjoy our forthcoming cover story....

      1. Hyperion   9 years ago

        We promise we'll scour the Potomac for your body after you disappear Matt.

        1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

          Speak for yourself, Hyp. Matt is pretty cool and all, but it is cold out there.

        2. Suicidy   9 years ago

          Do Climtom operatives use cement shoes, or woodchippers?

        3. Set Us Up The Chipper   9 years ago

          Fostered, swims with the fishes, etc.

  10. Agile Cyborg   9 years ago

    She's the totem for all that remains abhorrent about the sycophant brigades.

  11. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

    The emails I sent my to my daughter (who received them under an assumed name), which were located on my secret, unauthorized email server, clearly prove that I took the Benghazi attack seriously and did not use a youtube video to deflect blame.

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      You left out the part where her daughter, who has no security clearance, was receiving classified info.

      1. Social Justice is neither   9 years ago

        What difference at this point does it make?

        For some reason that line never gets old to me.

  12. HazelMeade   9 years ago

    We need more investigation into why the filmmaker was arrested. Who made the decision and why? What prompted it? Was there any contact from higher level officials or officials with the federal government? There has been basically Zero investigation into that end of things.

    1. tarran   9 years ago

      Hazel...

      Invest in a new mouse. 😉

      1. HazelMeade   9 years ago

        I'm not using a mouse. I'm using a touch screen on my cell phone.

        1. tarran   9 years ago

          What's happening is when you press the submit button, the application is capturing multiple click events before the page is closed and the browser redirected to the posting page.

          Press once and wait, I guess. And hope that reason fires the guy creating the bloatware that is the commenting section.

          1. Eternal Blue Sky   9 years ago

            Like, ONE line of JavaScript could fix the issue. Or at least drastically reduce the problem. Some more lines of code could easily prevent any and all duplicate posts.

            1. DenverJ   9 years ago

              But what about an "edit" button?

    2. Zexufang   9 years ago

      And what about the film maker: Nakoula Basseley Nakoula?

      WHERE is he and WHY isn't he suing for false imprisonment?
      Was he paid off by the Clinton Foundation?

      1. Libertarius   9 years ago

        No shit. I remember pictures of the guy being arrested, and he was detained for awhile, then they sent him down the memory hole.

    3. GregMax   9 years ago

      I hate Hillary. That said, as politically motivated as it was, the "movie guy" had his probation pulled because he uploaded stuff he wasn't allow by his parole conditions. It's not some great conspiracy. They dropped the hammer on him as cover. But he did violate his parole.

  13. HazelMeade   9 years ago

    We need more investigation into why the filmmaker was arrested. Who made the decision and why? What prompted it? Was there any contact from higher level officials or officials with the federal government? There has been basically Zero investigation into that end of things.

  14. HazelMeade   9 years ago

    We need more investigation into why the filmmaker was arrested. Who made the decision and why? What prompted it? Was there any contact from higher level officials or officials with the federal government? There has been basically Zero investigation into that end of things.

    1. Crusty Juggler   9 years ago

      You are nothing if not persistent.

  15. Mr Lizard   9 years ago

    The proggies don't care. They are team players down to the last miserable pseudo-sentient two-legged meat Popsicle. They will vote team blue because they want team blue to win, and they are convinced she will win.

    1. tarran   9 years ago

      I see that you get pissed when the "if we don't vote for a lizard then the wrong lizard might get in" principle is used against you...

      1. Mr Lizard   9 years ago

        Some reptiles are more palatable then other creatures...so yes I am a team player, and I despise those mealy mouthed little Team Blue shits.

        And until Your Future Reptilian Overlords take over (and I can get my 40 watt plasma rifle back) I want to keep my collection of earth-manufactured implements of destruction.

        1. gaoxiaen   9 years ago

          Iguanas are pretty good.

    2. WTF   9 years ago

      This is exactly right. The problem is not that Hillary is lying and corrupt; everyone knows she's lying and corrupt. The problem is her supporters just don't care.

      1. Suicidy   9 years ago

        Which is why their numbers must be reduced. Is this a good time to discuss my plan to euthanize all the progressives.

  16. Ayn Random Variation   9 years ago

    I saw an ad for an upcoming movie promising to tell the untold story of Benghazi.
    I'm assuming the movie will be about a heroic, grief stricken Sec of State, played by Jodie Foster, who single handedly saved hundreds of lives, but those mean Republicans who run the media and the Gov't wouldn't let the story out.

    1. Florida Man   9 years ago

      It looked like it was blaming some faceless middleman. If only comrade Hillary had known about the attack...

    2. WTF   9 years ago

      Jodie Foster? I thought Tea Leoni was "Madame Secretary".

      1. The Last American Hero   9 years ago

        Tea is TV Hillary. For the movie, we'll have to up the game a bit - maybe Charlize Theron?

        1. Sapient Mulch   9 years ago

          I'm going with Uma Thurman in the straight to YouTube crossover hit, "Kill Bill 3 - For reals this time."

          1. Kevin Sorbos Manful Locks   9 years ago

            Lena Dunham + the guy who did Emperor Palpatine's makeup?

    3. Long Woodchippers   9 years ago

      The trailers are showing that it's a story of six brave men who went in despite their order, despite the danger, to do the right thing.

      As Florida Man says, the stand done could come from a faceless middle man, or from an unnamed general or secretary.

      "I'm trying to call the secretary to get confirmation, but no one's answering."

      "Well, you know it is 3 am in DC"

  17. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

    What a low-life Hillary is.

    I just don't understand a person with a modicum of decency would vote for her. She clearly is not competent.

    Bend over. I'll show you fog of war.

    1. albo   9 years ago

      The nation's only hope is that screaming campus garbage babies currently backing Sanders do something positive for their country by staying home on election day instead of voting for Hillary.

    2. Suicidy   9 years ago

      I know MANY people that appear otherwise intelligent that will gleefully pull the lever for her. Progressives have no morals or ethics. They love communism, and nothing else.

    3. gaoxiaen   9 years ago

      *the Frigg of War.

  18. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

    PHAIK SKANDULZ!#!!111!!!11

  19. Ron   9 years ago

    We have them on record for weeks after the attack claiming it was about the video and not due to terrorist. of course the mainstream media will never repeat those videos.

  20. Knarf Yenrab!   9 years ago

    and then she said 'We will make sure the person who made that film is arrested and prosecuted.'

    I'm sure that's just what he wanted to hear after his son was lynched. That guy who may have inspired the ire of murderous savages half a world away? We'll hurt him for you!

    Even given Biden's gross populist hucksterism, I don't think we've seen a cabinet member/potential executive quite as tone-deaf as Hillary since at least Nixon, as she's probably worse than that.

    1. Rufus The Monocled Derp Slayer   9 years ago

      That's a sociopath right there.

      1. Knarf Yenrab!   9 years ago

        Still can't believe that video somehow exists. Her handlers must've broken out in assholes and shit themselves when they saw it.

        If the GOP is smart, come fall they'll run a series of ads featuring nothing but Hillary's Greatest Hits over the past 25 years. "Hillary on Hillary."

        1. EMD   9 years ago

          "If the GOP is smart"

          Good one.

          1. WTF   9 years ago

            "If the Stupid Party is smart" Um, okay.

        2. R C Dean   9 years ago

          They could have done that with Obama, and didn't.

          I see no evidence that the GOP has grown a single brain cell, or testicle, since then.

          Now, Trump on the other hand . . . .

          1. Knarf Yenrab!   9 years ago

            Yes, but BHO has charm and is a capable campaigner, whereas Hillary is obviously a sociopath. Her sole selling points are that she's a Democrat and once had sex with Bill Clinton, which could be said for about 5% of the combined populations of Arkansas and DC.

            That whole thing where the modern president has to act like a charming celebrity or someone you'd have a beer with? Hillary doesn't do that. She gives off more of a devour-your-children-alive vibe.

          2. gaoxiaen   9 years ago

            They have grown an ovary.

        3. Suicidy   9 years ago

          The GOP might not. But Trump would.

  21. Bill Dalasio   9 years ago

    You know, even more than the families, I think Ms. Clinton owes an apology to the film-maker. This poor bastard got thrown in jail, essentially, to support her lie.

    1. Derp-o-Matic 5000   9 years ago

      Anything for the narrative. The narrative must not be questioned.

      1. albo   9 years ago

        The left-wing baby boomer editors and executives in the media are probably hanging on at work just so they can get another one of their own in office before they retire and spend our inheritances.

  22. GILMORE?   9 years ago

    Ignore, Dismiss, Deny, Divert Blame, Excuse, Paper Over, Call People "Obsessed" For Keeping Issue Alive

    is there one i missed?

    I don't know if i heard this somewhere else, or if it occurred to me in an epiphany... but i was once talking to a buddy about the special Japanese attitude re: 'War Crimes' .....

    (i think at the time the good-looking Japanese PM Koizumi was visiting the Yasukuni Shrine to WWII dead, including 'war criminals')...

    and i described this special-attitude as,

    "First of all: It never happened. Second of all.... They deserved it!"

    The ability to maintain both ideas simultaneously is the unique accomplishment. You can't be objectively "guilty" if you never feel subjectively "guilty". So if you don't *feel bad*, then well, it probably never happened in the first place. So = Never feel bad! Therefore whatever happened was probably something else.

    The Clintons seem to have learned this Japanese art many years ago.

    1. Ron   9 years ago

      its modern moralism nothing is to be judged but everyone else is to be punished

    2. robc   9 years ago

      In Dave Barry Does Japan, there is a serious chapter on the Hiroshima monument. He says it basically treats the bombs as a natural disaster.

      1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

        Yes, but that's almost an entirely different issue. Japan has a weird love-affair with "mass-killing disasters". Its why Godzilla always destroys Tokyo, over and over again. Because Tokyo DID get destroyed over and over again. They have a city-destroying fetish. Whether Earthquake or Curtis LeMay or Godzilla makes no difference. Shit happens, cities disappear. Get over it.

        The attribution to "forces of nature" probably has something to do with Shinto. The Kami is whut dun it. (shrug, rings bell)

        1. Swiss Servator   9 years ago

          With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
          His B-29s bomb the spitting high tension wires down

          Helpless people on a subway train
          Scream bug-eyed as he bombsites in on them

          His planes blow up a bus and he shoots it back down
          As he flies through the buildings toward the center of town

          Oh no, they say he's got to go go go LeMay
          Oh no, there goes Tokyo go go LeMay
          History shows again and again
          How the USAAF points up the folly of men

          1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

            Also = Neo-neo-neo-neo-Tokyo

        2. Suicidy   9 years ago

          Let's be honest. Given their tastes in porn, city destroying is the LEAST of their fetishes.

  23. Roscoe BoDeen   9 years ago

    Lets see...two witness describing a conversation with Secretary Clinton and her recollection of the conversation is different. Who should we believe? Answer: the politician of course, because politicians never lie.

  24. dajjal   9 years ago

    These people are complete lowlifes. They voted for Obama on the advice of their own children and then accuse him of 'murder' for their deaths. Sorry but first of all take some responsibility for your voting. (I can see all the Trump voters now saying, "But we didn't know he was gonna kill **ALL** the Muslims!! Boo hoo!!!") Secondly don't send your children to the Middle East to protect us from terrorists if you will later blame the president for their deaths when they try. This is a war and their children bravely entered it. If there were mistakes then they should be adjudicated. The president is not responsible for every skirmish in a war that's already killed thousands. What the hell.

    1. GILMORE?   9 years ago

      Now = again, but with feeling.

    2. Heroic Mulatto   9 years ago

      The president is not responsible for every skirmish in a war that's already killed thousands.

      Yes, he is. That's what the term "Commander-in-Chief" means. One such C-in-C was found of saying "The buck stops here".

    3. ant1sthenes   9 years ago

      I can see all the Trump voters now saying, "But we didn't know he was gonna kill **ALL** the Muslims!! Boo hoo!!!

      You're a more charitable man than I am.

      1. dajjal   9 years ago

        "But we didn't know he was gonna make us kill **ALL** the Muslims!!"

    4. IceTrey   9 years ago

      The State Department uses children to guard our diplomats? No wonder they got killed.

      1. Suicidy   9 years ago

        Damn, who would have thought those kindergartners would be ineffective against a planned Al Qaeda attack?

  25. TimothyLane   9 years ago

    Even so, if Slick Hilly were telling the truth now, she should have corrected the claims at the time they were made. There can be no doubt she knew about them.

  26. John C. Randolph   9 years ago

    Yeah, she answered those questions. She answered them with baldfaced lies. Is the media going to hold her feet to the fire for that? Not holding my breath.

    -jcr

  27. R C Dean   9 years ago

    You left out one of the biggest reasons this should be news:

    She is on record in her email as saying the filmmaker had nothing to do with it, at the same time she was saying to these families that he was responsible.

    1. Suicidy   9 years ago

      At this point, what difference does it make?

  28. GregMax   9 years ago

    Whatever happened to "We will bring the perpetrators of this to justice!"
    Where is that?

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Didn't they meet up with one in a coffee shop or something?

      Probably stuck him with the bill. That'll show him!

      But that is an excellent question, one that would make a dandy press or debate question.

    2. lap83   9 years ago

      They didn't get a Christmas card from the Clinton Foundation that year

      1. GregMax   9 years ago

        No they donated a million bucks to a young woman in the Caribbean as hush money.

  29. IceTrey   9 years ago

    I don't understand. She openly stated at the coffin ceremony that the attack was a result of the video. Everyone knows that was a blatant lie. Why is what she told the family members more important than that?

    1. R C Dean   9 years ago

      Its a trap, Ice. Get her to deny saying it to the family, then spring what she said at the ceremony.

      This has been a difficult week for the State Department and for our country. We've seen the heavy assault on our post in Benghazi that took the lives of those brave men. We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful Internet video that we had nothing to do with.

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html

      1. IceTrey   9 years ago

        Never mind. I just realized she said "embassies" and of course Benghazi was a "consulate". She's off the hook.

        1. GregMax   9 years ago

          It actually wasn't even consider a "consulate" and therefore was exempt from regulations of security. I can't remember what they called it but it was exempt from the regs. Convenient, huh?

  30. LaKeisha   9 years ago

    If it comes down to either Hillary Clinton lying or someone else lying, the smart money is on Hillary to be the liar.

  31. HollywoodInToto   9 years ago

    Remember how the press treated Cindy Sheehan, who lost her son in Iraq? Now, compare how reporters have either ignored or downplayed this situation connected directly to Hillary Clinton. It's telling, to say the very least.

  32. LV   9 years ago

    Trigger this (holding my semi-flaccid erection in my hand".

  33. Peter   9 years ago

    As the flag draped coffins are being wheeled from the plane she clearly states "over an awful internet video we had nothing to do with" at 6:18 in this video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d__S8nEqW0

    So who you going to believe this Hillary or the new one?

  34. mixakate   9 years ago

    Google pay 97$ per hour my last pay check was $8500 working 1o hours a week online. My younger brother friend has been averaging 12k for months now and he works about 22 hours a week. I cant believe how easy it was once I tried it out.
    This is wha- I do...... ?????? http://www.buzznews99.com

  35. Jima   9 years ago

    She is a shrill, dishonest viper, but she will get the Democratic nomination. Makes you wonder what leads people to voluntarily want to put a person like that in charge... There must be some kind of mass Democrat dementia. M.D.D clinical research should be undertaken to see if it's treatable. My guess is that the cure involves a lobotmy, if not the cause.

  36. ETremens   9 years ago

    When I think about Hillary, I like to think of the look on her face as the light's about to go out and she realizes what she was.

    Call me sentimental.

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