Rand Paul Falsely Slams Marco Rubio for Being 'Open Borders'
Paul hits at Rubio for an immigration policy very similar to his own 2013 one.
Continuing to fight for an anti-immigrant GOP vote that can never truly take him to heart, while continuing what is likely a sincere belief that American liberty has zero to do with letting foreigners into the country to do business or have relationships with Americans, Rand Paul (R-Ky.) today slammed fellow senator and fellow GOP presidential aspirant Marco Rubio of Florida for being "open borders."
Paul told Breitbart:
"I think this is Rubio's greatest weakness," Paul said. "He's for open borders."
Paul explained that on immigration, "Rubio is way out of step with what the American people want."….
Paul explained that Rubio's support for open borders undermines Rubio's attempt to portray himself as a national defense hawk.
"He is weak on national security because he won't secure our border," Paul said.
"I don't think you can be for strong national defense if you're not willing to defend border," Paul explained.
I wrote last month analyzing the differences between Paul and Rubio on immigration. A lot of Paul's complaints against Rubio come from continuing to link him to his role in the 2013 failed comprehensive immigration reform bill. As I wrote then:
Rubio himself has backed away from that plan, saying that alas any attempt to normalize the already-here illegal must take a backseat to border security. That was pretty much Paul's position during that 2013 debate: encircle the nation in impregnable wall first, think about common sense ways to normalize the currently illegal later.
I think Paul is bad on the politics, and bad on the policy, in his immigration hawkishness. But he's outright wrong on the facts that the immigration policies Rubio is running for president on can be considered "open borders" in any stretch of that term.
For why, see these excerpts from Rubio's campaign site page on immigration, headlined: "Secure the Border First":
Making our legal immigration system a merit-based system that encourages innovators will have broad benefits for our economy…Transitioning to a merit-based, high-skilled immigration system would also help immigrants assimilate more quickly and easily into American economic and civil life….The benefits of a merit-based legal immigration system are widely (although not universally) accepted in America. So why, then, has nothing been done about it?…
A significant percentage of Americans simply don't trust either party in Washington to address other aspects of immigration reform before illegal immigration has been brought under control, and for good reason. The immigration reform law of 1986 legalized more than three million people who were here illegally, but the enforcement measures were never fully implemented.
For years President Obama, his allies in Congress and many immigration reform supporters have told us that the border was "as secure as ever." This fallacy was dramatically exposed when portions of our southern border were essentially overrun in the early part of 2014….
So what is the way forward?….On the enforcement side, we need additional investment in electronic monitoring and personnel. Building more fencing alone will not be enough to address illegal crossings. We also need to give employers a reliable way to check the legal status of the people they hire. We need to invest in an entry and exit tracking system to prevent visa overstays….achieving comprehensive reform of anything in a single bill is simply not realistic.
Having tried that approach, I know this to be true firsthand….The only way we are going to be able to break this impasse and make progress on this issue is in a sequential and piecemeal way, with a series of bills that build upon one another until ultimately we have put in place the kind of immigration system our nation needs.
The first step must be enforcement measures that are effective and verifiable. Such measures would include securing the most vulnerable and most trafficked sectors of the southern border, mandatory E-Verify and the full implementation of an entry-exit tracking system.
The second step is to modernize our legal immigration system toward a merit-based one. That would mean reassigning existing visas away from family-based immigration and toward work- and skill-based immigration, passing reforms for high-tech visas, as well as creating a limited guest worker program for seasonal workers in the agricultural sector to reduce the incentive for these workers to come here illegally in the future.
What to do with the 12 million people already here illegally? Rubio goes on to call for registering them all, tossing them if they've committed serious crimes, letting them apply for a temporary non-immigrant visa that will require application fee, background check, and English proficiency.
Then they could legally work and travel and to keep it would "have to pay taxes." They would be ineligible for Obamacare, welfare, or food stamps, and committing a crime would lose them their permit. They would need to stay in this status for at least a decade, then could apply for permanent residency, "the way anyone else would, not through any special pathway."
I have no idea what in this Paul could consider "open borders" in any way.
In fact, it all sounds in essence remarkably similar to the Rand Paul of 2013, as summed up by Matt Welch here:
But on policy, as foreshadowed, Paul wants to A) expand legal immigration now, emphasizing high-skilled labor; B) mandate "certified" border security (as determined by the Border Patrol and approved annually by Congress; C) set up a "bipartisan panel" (shudder) to "determine number of visas per year"; D) "admit we are not going to deport the millions of people who are currently here illegally"; E) specifically reject "a national ID card or mandatory E-Verify" system (yay!); and F) offer current unauthorized residents a "probationary" type of visa, allowing them to continue living and working in the country, while otherwise moving to the end of the immigration line, whatever that means in practice. They would not, as in other bipartisan immigration reforms currently being contemplated, have to pay a big fine.
Even Paul has admitted in the past that actually detaining or tossing the already-present illegal immigrants is impossible. And in terms of "toughness," Paul has enough libertarianism in his bones that he is weaker than Rubio on actual toughness-on-immigrants in rejecting the nightmare of E-Verify, even though it's a logical conclusion if you think that it's a serious problem having people coming here to work without the proper government issues paperwork.
Not sure what Paul is trying to accomplish with this hit on Rubio, but it is based on not having bothered to read Rubio's actual current policy recommendations or to re-visit his own 2013 pronouncements.
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Oh good, I was hoping for another immigration thread. Can we also get Trump and Muslims involved in this discussion too?
I dunno, I looked over to the sidebar I always ignore, and saw this:
I guess these are not the threads we deserve, but are the threads we want?
Rand is dead to me.
He's dead to Republican voters as well.
That would imply that he was alive to them at some point in the past. Nuh-uh.
Rand used to be the frontrunner.
Unfortunately Trump managed to steal all the anti-establishment votes that usually go to the Pauls.
Paul blew it by tacking to the center.
On what issues, and when?
He coulda been a contender...
Trump gets a shot at the title and Paul gets a one way ticket to Palooka-ville.
I wish he would realize that he be much more attractive if he got more true to his libertarian roots, not more social conservative.
Because open borders is such a popular position right?
There's no point trying to cast for the idiots that seriously think America needs to 'secure its borders'. These people are not worth the time.
Im for securing the borders. And eliminating quotas.
Everyone who can pass a background check can get in. But you gotta shoot (or arrest, whatever) foreign invaders crossing the border illegally.
I wonder if there exists a world somewhere between the iron curtain and the wide open gamboling plains of anarchy?
There's an actual party for that. Rand is libertarian for a Republican, that's all that should be expected of him.
Perhaps Paul thinks Rubio is lying. Still, Paul should attack Rubio as a slow-witted puppet of Billionaire donors who supports ISIS, al Qaeda,Saudi Arabia, the U.N., nation-building and perpetual war over the sovereignty of the United States. Rubio is among the worst of the Republican candidates.
Rand Paul is a fucking joke.
Rand Paul and a hooker were....
I thought he was a barrel of laughs when he choked on his hamburger in Iowa when that gal said:
"I am actually a dreamer."
http://www.alternet.org/rand-p.....frontation
It's even funny with the sound off!
Yeah, dreaming of more GiMMEDATs.
"Paul has enough libertarianism in his bones?"
I like his acronyms-SECURE (Stop Extremists Coming Under Refugee Entry) Act-They make me feel..well?secure.
You know what makes me feel secure? Warm hugs.
Your welcome anytime:)
http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/....._small.jpg
"Rubio himself has backed away from that plan,"
lol
Immigration and Naturalization Stop Extremists Coming Under Refugee Entry
INSECURE
FT
Unfortunately I think Rand decided about 2 months ago he wasn't going down with the libertarian ship, and he's going to do whatever needs done to be a true tea partier. Not that it will help him at all.
I don't personally mind Paul's immigration position as long as he keeps attacking government spending and constitutional violations, but he's certainly not doing himself any favors trying to run right of everyone on every issue.
Well, it looks like I'll be writing someone in. Who here wants to be President?
You know that the write in candidacy is Warty/Nicole 2016: this time, why not the worst?
I think you mean Nicole/Warty 2016. Warty being the (power) bottom of the ticket.
I think we'd better let them settle that. Keep your distance.
There is another option. Total boycott. No one votes for president in 2016.
Dude, that's what I do every election. Now everyone just has to join me.
Join me, ProL!
I said TOTAL BOYCOTT. Meaning nobody votes.
Yes. Join me in not voting. THAT'S WHAT I SAID PROL
Look, you're no use to me if you can't make this one little thing happen,
I'll be voting for Gary Johnson again prolly
I'm not being clear. All 100+ million voters do not vote for president in 2016.
Or Gary Johnston
Which Gary Johnson? The Austin libertarian or the NM republican?
Shudder. Guess I won't be sleeping tonight.
You know what they say: the infinite tentacle rape monster you know is better than a politician you don't know know.
Glass half full. I like that.
Done!
STEVE SMITH! President that will give it to Americans good and hard!
That's pretty dumb.
I'd vote big L, but I want to cast a vote for someone with a chance of winning.
That's what Rand is/could be.
Rand has no chance of winning. I'll probably still vote for him in the primary (I'm still registered Republican as I've never bothered to change it since I turned 18, and I do think he's still far better than anyone else in the GOP field, as well as Hillary and Bernie), but he has no chance of winning the nomination. I'll likely vote LP in the general, depending on who they nominate.
Not me--because I travel too much to run. In fact, none of the LP candidates really wants to win. The whole point of running is to offer the voters a choice which is difficult to ignore. Politicians of both factions of the looter soft machine have been slitting each others' throats over the 3% of votes we cast, and much change in the right direction has resulted. I do run for association office in my profession as a libertarian, and it gets the name brand out there a little. I would write in Austin, the Libertarian Republic fellow, as way better than all the DemoGOP combined.
It's okay to pander Rand but only if it works. These retards you're pandering too are never gonna be swayed by this derp. You're not fascist enough.
Rand Paul starring as a Tea-Trumper is alienating his true supporters, and accomplishing little else.
Uh the Tea Party is what put him in office in the first place.
The Tea Party is as religious as the Islamic State. Ever read their platform?
Every libertarian republican in office got there via the tea party.
Moment of honesty: I secretly love these shitty immigration threads. Especially when there's a yokels-cosmos slapfight in the comments.
Is there something wrong with me? Can I somehow blame this on my impoverished childhood or lack of privilege?
"The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria is a result of the disastrous U.S. war in Iraq, but its ascendancy in Libya is a result of the 2011 U.S. intervention in that country"
Wrong and wrong as usual. There is no reason to believe Syria would be any more stable with Sadaam around nor is there any reason to believe that Qdafi would still be in charge if America hadn't intervened there.
Oopsy wrong thread.
Everyone knows that the murderous folk of ISIS would make great citizens and model immigrants. Immigration has never been a bad thing, anywhere in the history of ever.
Well, it hasn't.
The nice thing about ISIS is that it's drawing the scum of the Earth into one place, which will hopefully become the place where they die.
Well, it hasn't.
Tell that to the aboriginal folk of this continent.
The nice thing about ISIS is that it's drawing the scum of the Earth into one place, which will hopefully become the place where they die.
It also seems to be sending them back home, toward the lands to which they claim false allegiance, in order to create chaos and panic.
As much as I look forward to the end of nation-states in theory, the international corporate progressivism and international barbarian theocracy lining up to replace them are not even remotely appealing alternatives. Maybe someone should get cracking on phyles.
"The nice thing about ISIS is that it's drawing the scum of the Earth into one place,"
whut
Remember when the neocons said that same thing about Iraq and al-Qaeda? Congrats, Cytotoxic, you're a true Republican!
The posting rate is going to have to pick up if this thread is going to hit a 1000 like last night's.
You're a masochist aren't you?
Beats me.
Have we reached peak despair?
or?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1RLnJBQzc
I love Bone Thugs N Harmony. You have good taste.
I laughed out bits of dinner. Nicely done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjXyTXq0jq4
Hopefully, we'll wake up from this nightmare and learn it was all the fault of a terrible, awful negro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0JXSM_0Nk
Two Drake songs? Please exit the bar
Chaldean Catholic refugees from ISIS denied asylum
This was arguably the right call, since they apparently passed through Germany and Mexico before getting to the U.S. They should have applied there for their refugee status.
But this precludes Obama from yakking about all those racists who are skeptical of refugee claims.
applied there = applied in Germany or Mexico
And on this story I found it covered in Catholic and Christian publications, and Fox of course, and back in September in the Daily Mail.
But I couldn't find the legacy media accounts comparing them to the Pilgrims, etc., etc.
And back in Iraq:
Our charism is martyrdom, says Chaldean patriarch
(charism - "an extraordinary power (as of healing) given a Christian by the Holy Spirit for the good of the church")
As Ron Bailey taught us; they're not refugees if the US Government doesn't pay their way here. Your Chaldean Catholics are "failed asylees".
OK, OK.
Here you go - a more precise definition
Shiner Cheer. Nice transition from the Red I just had.
Isn't it, though? Wonder stuff.
I like it. Don't think I've had it since this time last year.
Let's be more realistic with respect to immigration. Instead of refusing to reform immigration until the border is "secured" why not refuse to reform immigration until a unicorn is captured?
America do not do what your little sister does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YhY4kEMBOk
I'm guessing he's probably not talking about Mexico. Did Rubio support Paul's bill?
If not then I'm sure that's his point. Since nobody but Cytoxic is the true open borders ideal he's likely speaking relatively.
The winning ticket will be http://www.trump-rubio.com to make America great again!
There is hardly any reason to attack Rand Paul. He is competent to shoot off his own foot. His fellow republicans, mostly National Socialists, hate him for the reasons we admire him--as far as it goes. Finally, where he is he can vote on immigration issues. Let's face it: he ain't getting the nomination, and if by heart attacks and strokes he did, no antiabortionist birth forcer is ever going to be elected Chief Executive again. The day of the religious dictatorship, thanks to mohammedan suicide bombers and population growth equations, is over. Let the looters pick on him in their own rags. I want to see something informative about our candidates.
Who would be VP? Important question.
Aha! So you *were* jealous that your husband was shtupping Yvette!
I wanna be the Drug Czar. The ensure the free flow of high quality drugs.
Of course:)
Almanian/Cthulhu