Education

Is There Really Any Way to Stop College Students From Wasting Money on Their Edumications?

You can go to college for $60,000 total or $160,000. Is that really a tough decision? And what school should accept you if you pick the latter?

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I find Pacific Standard to be one of the best all-around reads on the web today. A new story, "Confessions of a For-Profit College Inspector," by Michael Fitzgerald is a well-written article about the author's stint as an in-house regulator of an unnamed for-profit college (think DeVry, University of Phoenix, etc.). In the middle of the story, which is very much in the "college-loan-debt is a big, big problem" tradition, comes this confession:

When I applied to college, the most appealing acceptance letters had come from the University of Vermont and Carnegie Mellon University. The former came with a scholarship, plus a chance to establish residency in the state, amounting to a bill of under $15,000 per year. The latter offered no such incentives: charges were $40,960 for tuition, fees, room, and board for the first year, and they increased each year thereafter. But I knew Carnegie Mellon ranked high academically, and I didn't think much about the financial consequences in practice.

This sort of admission is pretty fascinating, especially in a story ostensibly about sleazy practices of for-profit colleges (and let's be honest: all colleges are run for profit, even if they are technically nonprofit corporate entities). Fitzgerald, who comes from a lower-income background but is sharp enough to get into good schools, is handed an opportunity to get a B.A. at UVM for less than $60,000 in total but instead opts for the joint costing over $40,000 per year. But it's somebody else's fault, or something:

I wish anyone involved in my indebtedness—my family, Carnegie Mellon, the federal government, the state of Pennsylvania, or even the Middle States Commission on Higher Education (which accredits both Carnegie Mellon and many of the for-profit schools I called as a fake prospective student) had asked me what I planned to major in and what career I aspired to. Then, maybe, when I'd said "English" and "writer," they'd have denied me a $5 loan for cab fare home, or told me they'd rather see an armed robber in their office. I would have had to seek out a solid, affordable state school. I would not have tens of thousands of dollars in outstanding loans.

Yeah, no. A state school would have doubtlessly been cheaper than Carnegie Mellon (indeed, UVM is a state school that offered Fitzgerald a tremendously better deal, and in a tremendously better location to boot). But let's kill the canard that being an English major is a career death sentence. A 2014 study of recent college grads found that English majors had a lower unemployment rate than did econ majors. There's plently of work out there for those willing to do it and being to sling words and synthesize information (as Fitzgerald does extremely well) is always a meal ticket. In any case, the larger point of the study is that however tough it may be for college grads, it's always tougher for non-college grads.

Fitzgerald notes at some point in the story that he's carrying over $70,000 in debt. And again, despite his own personal tale, what he's really worried about is the for-profit racket, from which relatively few people graduate.

The Obama administration has made some efforts to address this vast, tangled problem, going after for-profit colleges by implementing the so-called gainful-employment rule, which can bar schools from accepting federal aid if their graduates' annual loan re-payments exceed 12 percent of their total earnings. It has also taken major steps toward enrolling students in income-based re-payment plans that limit the percentage of their monthly income that can go toward debt payments. Many college companies, including Big School, are facing multimillion-dollar lawsuits from the Department of Justice over their recruiting practices—the practices I was screening for in the summer of 2008.

Read the whole thing, which is, as I noted, well-written, wry, and highly informative.

This type of story always leaves me wondering: So what's the next step, really? Is it denying student loans and easy credit to people who don't really need them? A recent New York Federal Reserve study shows pretty conclusively what basic theory suggests: Large amounts of free and reduced-price money in the form of grants and loans and financial aid simply drives up the cost of higher education. Figuring out how to help folks who can't afford college out of pocket without making school more expensive for everyone is no easy matter. But killing credit for poor folks is not much of answer. I know because I used all sorts of credit not simply to fund my own higher education (I paid for my bachelor's, master's, and doctorate out of my pocket) but my early adulthood too. And the answer isn't to dwell on the relatively few people who always show up in college-debt horror stories. The vast majority of student borrowers are pretty smart and pretty responsible. According to an Urban Institute study released earlier this year, only about 10 percent of recent B.A. grads had borrowed $50,000 or more. Thirty percent didn't borrow at all and the average amount is closer to $25,000, with the median lower still.

There are many problems with the government heavily subsidizing college tuition (first and foremost, as mentioned, it drives up the cost of education). But there's relatively little to complain about from the borrower's side. Indeed, if your main complaint is that it's too easy for you to get money, that's gonna fall on mostly deaf ears. And it should. And for god's sake, if you're not wealthy, go to the cheapest school you can afford, because it really doesn't matter in the end which joint you attend (though it does matter which schools you can get into).

Related: 3 Reasons We Shouldn't Bail Out Student Loan Borrowers (2011).

 

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  1. Yes, there is a way. That way is known as incentives. It won’t happen without a massive overhaul of higher education, which won’t happen because far too many interested parties have skin in perpetuating the game.

    1. That way is known as incentives.

      We should be providing incentives to learn?

      Absurd.

      1. nice job of missing the point. Did you try to miss it? I hope so because the alternative is not encouraging.

  2. “…and being to sling words and synthesize information (as Fitzgerald does extremely well)…”

    (…and as Gillespie’s copy editor obviously doesn’t do all that well, apparently)

    1. Time and again I have offered to come onboard as Reason’s telecommuting copy editor, but no, they’d rather drop the $15k/yr on stocking their appletini bar.

      1. “” their appletini bar.””

        (sees a lonely Cosmopolitan in the corner, feeling unloved)

        1. I like vodka about as well as the next guy, but what’s with the aversion to tasting your liquor? What’s wrong with a stiff gin drink?

          1. Ahhh, gin. Homemade juniper berry infused tonic. Perfect.

          2. I wouldn’t know. I like whiskey and beer and not much else except the odd Dark & Stormy during the summer or Greyhound with brunch.

            *for a while i drank Gimlets when i was suited and it was more of a pimp-fashion-accessory, but holy god do they cause heartburn if you drink too many.

            1. I like the sour and bitter drinks personally. Will take a Cosmopolitain over an appletini. But would prefer a Sidecar or a White Lady.

  3. There’s plently of work out there for those willing to do it and being to sling words and synthesize information (as Fitzgerald does extremely well) is always a meal ticket.

    Priceless.

  4. I need other people to pay for the consequences of my bad decisions.

    1. In this day and age, that could be a college kid, a Wall Street trader in a $2000 suit, someone in a police uniform, or various politicians and pubsec employees.

      1. So why do we all not live for free?

        1. I’m free to finance others’ bad decisions!

  5. Figuring out how to help folks who can’t afford college out of pocket without making school more expensive for everyone is no easy matter.

    Offer people a cheaper alternative for getting job-training than college. The people who still need the training provided by a college education will probably still be able to get it through scholarships. People, both rich and poor, who never really needed to go to college will have a better route.

    But this will not happen as long as we continue to fetishize college.

    1. and once again, the pull quote ignores why college tuition has become unaffordable.

    2. What about fetishizing college students? Helps or hurts?

      1. Helps. Potential revenue source.

      2. Doms or subs? Makes a difference you know…

        1. Who cares? I’m just peeking through the windows.

  6. “a… series of scandals hit the industry, with revelations of people being plucked out of welfare lines and signed up for maximum federal loan amounts, sometimes even without the person’s consent. This led to the Higher Education Amendments of 1992, which, for the first time, made a college ineligible for federal loans if more than a quarter of its students defaulted on their loans within two years. This shut down many schools.”

    Which is actually very similar to the Federal Housing Loan scandal that HUD was involved with, where lenders dumped Federal money on unqualified borrowers and then re-possessed the properties at horrifying discounts, leaving the debt on the borrower and allowing developers to take possession of entire urban neighborhoods

    Which is EXACTLY why we need more federal Free Money for students!! what could go wrong?

  7. “…and being to sling words coffees and synthesize information sandwiches…”

  8. The Obama administration has made some efforts to address this vast, tangled problem,

    Its actually a very simple problem: people going stupidly into debt.

    The Obama administration is adding vast, tangled regulation to it, but that’s a whole separate problem of its own.

    1. +1 executive feint

  9. What the hell is that in the top picture?

      1. Yeah…..it’s just that, wouldn’t it make more sense to show someone actually using it? That pic looks like B-roll stuff. In fact, it looks like they’re ready to pour, yet the guy the green shirt isn’t exactly ready…or, something like that.

        1. The guy just finished using the bong! You people.

        2. I can’t be certain, but I want to say it’s come up here before?possibly a hazing gone wrong, or an article on binging and underage drinking, or somesuch. It looks familiar.

          1. OK, that gives some perspective. I’m gonna go with spittoon’s hypothesis.

      1. I can’t believe no one remembered that.

        1. It’s what you’re seeing.

          1. It’s what you’re (not) seeing.

            Well, trying not to.

  10. Back in the fucking late 80’s before I was goddamn pagan individualist switch-legged spacecraft noid I would hitch a ride from mom’s house with a fucking religious nut and go to church and try and try to find that fuck Jesus. Did this for a year after moving from pothole city Toledo into the fucking Ohio rural fucking weird ass shit which screams mundane NOT weird. BUT, Ohio rural gets fucking different when the sun goes down on all the fucking tons of ponds these people like.

    The dude I hitched a ride with was like fucking 10 years older and sort of bald and small and adorable. His face looked like a biscuit, man. I would eat the fucking face of this dude and then look at the bland landscape and pretend to forget that I could eat his face on the way to church.

    1. Have you considered ministerial work? Because I would love to see the sermons you deliver.

      1. I once considered sending 14 Asian hotties to your apartment on that street with the flickering lamp posts.

    2. So, he would talk about his turds every fucking morning on the way to church for a year. I grew to understand the multitudes of turds, bro. Like fucking shit analysis on the way to kneel to jesus and all and I decided to stop pretending I hated his study of fucking turds and learn from this man’s interpretation of the refuse spitting from his pooper. Learn I did and forget turds not. Fucking ingrained turd psyops fucked me up since the 80’s and this biscuit faced fucker teaching me about turds. Man, turds are the art of the poop.

      Turds are your motherfucking ass painting a message from inside your goddamn body.

      1. You gotta love the internet, because I remembered the bit about Goethe and Zappa and goddam…

        The dairy cows of 18th Century Weimar disturbed the German poet Goethe at least as much as the turkey farms of Palmdale, California, bothered Frank Zappa in the Fifties. Yet, in spite of all the cow dung in the street, Goethe managed to write Faust, whereas Zappa for the life of him can’t seem to get the turkey shit out of his head.

  11. . . . going after for-profit colleges by implementing the so-called gainful-employment rule, which can bar schools from accepting federal aid if their graduates’ annual loan re-payments exceed 12 percent of their total earnings.

    I don’t know – this seems like a decent rule. *If* it was applied across the board to colleges accepting federal aid.

    There’s no reason why a state or a ‘non-profit’ school shouldn’t be looked at just as harshly. they not any *less* likely to overprice their educational offerings and a degree you paid too much for is a degree you paid too much for – no matter what school you got it from.

  12. . But let’s kill the canard that being an English major is a career death sentence. A 2014 study of recent college grads found that English majors had a lower unemployment rate than did econ majors.

    Someone just vaulted up to the top of Crusty’s “favorite Reason employee” list.

    Crusty-n-Nick 4 eva.

    1. Crusty and old comets spinning out of control and crashing into scared planets. THAT is the CRUSTY way. Crusty juggles balls, boobs, assies, and comets. Pretty sure NASA needs to discover this ultra-sexay pary of Cousin Crusty in case shit goes down hard.

      1. I can’t argue with that.

      2. On a W.S, Burroughs kick, AC?

  13. I think bass in all the fucking songs was discovered by old witches with drums and tunes by divining deep space death.

  14. I think all song grains are as the grains of beech and oak and oceans and transmissions from the dying molecules in the super dank deep where no NASA can go but songs go.

  15. Deep space is about as real as a dark blanket on a tall building. Nothing out there is real. It is all dead and our galaxy is all that is left, man. Luckily, we won’t die with this thing like those horribly sad fucks several thousand years ahead. But space isn’t alive, bro. Our neck of the puddle of universes is shrinking not expanding, man.

  16. NASA is the only sex space beyond earth will experience. We penetrate her with shiny cocks filled with sex slaves. So, NASA is a space pimp for a dead beyond which makes NASA a zombie space whore supplier. Of which I refuse to judge, man. I refuse to judge NASA for fucking space with their whore metal cocks. I’m wondering if a lovely astronaut exits NASA’s space cock is that astronaut technically space jizz? YES!!

    Astronauts are space fucking jizz and space jizz is motherfucking awesome!

    1. It’s literally a national tragedy when NASA can’t get it up.

      1. FoE, the loving baby boy of the these places… I agree.

  17. Even as a monocle-polishing cosmoglibertarian who believes that immigrant orphans should be mowing my lawn, I agree with this:

    Mayor, county exec declare ‘state of emergency’ over homelessness

    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray and King County Executive Dow Constantine declared states of emergency, promising more expenditures and more services.

    SECTION SPONSOR

    By Daniel Beekman
    Seattle Times staff reporter
    Seattle Mayor Ed Murray and King County Executive Dow Constantine declared states of emergency in the city and county Monday to address homelessness.

    States of emergency usually are proclaimed in reaction to natural disasters such as earthquakes and hurricanes, or instances of civil disorder such as riots.

    Seattle has been “fixing” homelessness since the day I moved here in the late eighties, even promising that homelessness would be “solved” a little over ten years ago.

    As you can guess, it’s how we get there that’s going to be the kicker.

    Regardless, every empty space in Seattle has become a homeless encampment over the last seven or eight years, reaching a nadir in the last two years or so.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/se…..elessness/

    1. Nothing quite increases the tax-base like making sure to attract as many vagrants and crazy people into the downtown area as you can

      1. I find it hard to believe they’re newly minted homeless people*. I believe that Seattle through policies, like San Francisco, has become a kind of homeless mecca, drawing the homeless from hundreds of miles around.

        *I could be convinced otherwise with proper data, which I don’t have.

        1. Maybe it’s a westward push. Albuquerque has seen a huge influx of roadside panhandlers since spring. Never seen anything like it: they’re on every busy intersection and offramp.

          1. Roadside panhandlers have become common in central Virginia, too. I don’t know why.

        2. In SF, there are plenty of ‘homeless’ who are not lacking in physical abilities, nor mental (not to say Mensa is recruiting, but hey). And there are jobs on farms out in the central valley where it costs a good bit less to live.
          But SF taxpayers both gripe that they are here and also gripe about ‘income disparity’, after paying bums to live here.

    2. Diane should fucking jam a gun in the head of the next NASA flight and go into space and have that bitch captain fly her/him/thou unto a satellite armed with nukes and point that shit at her favorite target tonight and waste that bitch with a little slender hell raising rocket.

      It’s space, babe, bro, dude. love. thing… you will get away with it.

  18. The FACT is that degrees and credentials outweight skills and abilities in corporate America. It’s really just an easier metric for HR departments to use. So all this bullshit talk about the worthlessness of degrees fails to take in accoint any semblance of reality. It’s a precious thought though.

    1. It’s really just an easier metric for HR departments to use.

      *nods in agreement*

      1. Yeah, Nick has zero clue as to how corporate America works and the power of the paper.

    2. I’d be interested in the pedigree of Reason writers in this matter.

    3. You are not allowed to give a job applicant an IQ test. For technically intensive jobs a college degree acts as a proxy for one. It also says something about the applicant’s ability to finish at least one project he started.

      I don’t think this a big problem for private industry. The US software industry has done fine, thus far, without being testy about job applicants’ educational background.

      The scary part to me is in government hiring. Jimmy Carter abolished the objective civil service exam and replaced it with a college degree in something or other.

      1. “For technically intensive jobs a college degree acts as a proxy for one.”

        My place of employment isn’t hiring engineers with French literature or English degrees.

        I think the problem resides somewhere between going to college to learn a marketable skill that can serve as a credential to enter a job market, and going to college for college sake.

    4. The vast, vast majority of positions are filled by networking, not by applying through some HR department. Some manager has a need, thinks about a specific person they think would fit the role, and then writes a job description fitting that person.

      As someone who never graduated, it sucked big time when I first started out. I gave up trying to get a dream job and focused on doing the best job I could where I worked, and getting experience where it mattered. I met a lot of great people, and then when they got jobs at other companies, they brought me in to work with them.

      Now, with 15 years of experience under my belt, I know that my college education won’t even be something that people look at.

      Look- if you don’t have a degree, don’t make excuses for yourself. Do a good job at the job you have. Meet people around the company and help those people that work in stuff that interests you. Be competent in meetings- this is key- every meeting with people outside your team is a job interview. Don’t burn bridges with anyone, ever.

      1. “Now, with 15 years of experience under my belt, I know that my college education won’t even be something that people look at.”

        I used to think that, but I’m not so sure anymore.

  19. I like to bite air with dragon piss in my mouth.

  20. Why is crazy expensive private college a bad thing? People need to be held accountable for their actions.

    My cousin is choosing to go to a private religious school, live on campus, and not work. Literally all the worst moves financially.

    I worked part time (32 hours a week), lived at home and went to a junior college for my first two years.

    Why should I feel sorry she’s going to have a ton of debt and I don’t?

    1. because you are a pragmatic individual and modern society tolerates us like volcanoes and tsunamis?

    2. “Why should I feel sorry she’s going to have a ton of debt and I don’t?

      Because her loans are backed by your taxes?

      1. What can you do? The world no longer needs ditch diggers.

        1. Yes it does.

        2. Then why do America’s Elite Universities keep churning them out with advanced degrees?

          1. Those aren’t ditch-diggers – they are specialists in post holes.

  21. Healthcare Reformed, bitch!

    “Cheap” could cost you more for Obamacare next year.

    People who buy the cheapest health plans on the biggest Obamacare exchange without getting financial assistance are facing the largest increases for premiums and out-of-pocket costs in 2016, new analyses show.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/02…..idies.html

  22. Human capital contracts, with Facebook as the stock market. Forget unliking your friends and family? short them!

  23. I love N Gillespie. I love him like fucking my petite blonde wife on a Saturday afternoon with her right leg up on the Cali Bed on the top floor with the Maple trees gleaming down in the Ohio fall upon my fat cock entering her juicy canyon. She searched for lights and colors to prepare her tight behind for my fat entrance INTO her body, man. I love N Gillespie as my cock slid into her and she stiffened and grabbed the shits in the light of a fall afternoon where the fucking millions of leaves burst into our bedroom while we fucked and I loved N Gillespie. My fat cock penetrated the blonde deep space of this pretty battalion swerving and curving and screaming and as she screamed for the end of the earth in a hoarse cutting curdling cry I spewed all my juices into her pussy and whispered N Gillespie…

    If you love things you should fuck by them… fuck off inattentive distracted odd posers…

    1. “The heart has no bones,” you say, “so it won’t break.” But the purpose of loving is the pounding it takes.

  24. I fucked my favorite pussy with N Gillespie bubble above my fuck cock penetrating the lips of Jesus.

    Be where Jesus arose and earned a spaceship and flew off away from the silly christians who are co-dependant shits Jebus hates…

  25. (and let’s be honest: all colleges are run for profit, even if they are technically nonprofit corporate entities)

    Most private businesses are not run for profit either. Any business that has filed as an S-Corporation does not, by definition, make a profit. The vast majority of American businesses are S-Corps or LLCs – pass-through corporations. These businesses are run to make money for the owners and shareholders and to pay the employees. There are no retained earning. The reason for not retaining earnings is that owners will be taxed 15% on the corporate profit and another 15% (of what’s left) should they withdrawal the profit to their own incomes.

    I am not an accountant, but my understanding of a profit is very specific. A profit is an after tax, after dividend, retained earning. That is very difficult to accomplish in US. Some business do it for sure. My retirement investment portfolio is betting on this though it has flat-lined for a decade.

    A university, it seems (correct me if I’m wrong), can retain earnings without being taxed. Like the Roman Catholic church. I am not against that!

    1. That’s just a Tax Thing.

      You can have a C-Corporation with No retained earnings and it would work effectively as an S-Corp.

      The K-1 Pass-through portion of an S-Corp is a PROFIT. A single-owner corporation can have for example:

      Owner Salary = $100,000

      1. This is true, Alice. You operate a C-Corp just like an S-Corp, with no retained earnings. I made the mistake (hubris) of starting a C-Corp with high hopes. That’s my fallback.

  26. Well now that certainly makes a lot of sense dude.

    http://www.CompletePrivacy.tk

  27. Iran has begun shutting down uranium enrichment centrifuges under the terms of a deal struck with six world powers in July on limiting its nuclear program, Tehran’s atomic energy chief said on Monday during a visit to Tokyo.

    http://www.reuters.com/article…..PQ20151102

    Fuck you, Bibi. And all the US warmongers too.

    1. Turd falls for more propaganda! No film.

  28. OT:
    Fissure opens in Wyoming and no one blames fracking!
    Bit it only takes until the 5th comment for some schumck to blame Bush and Fox News.

    “Crack opens up out of nowhere to become massive ‘gash'”
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/nat…..605695.php

      1. We already have AC working blue tonight. We don’t need you doing it, too.

        1. Fuck you and your gurgly starfish anus.

    1. I had assumed the whole hot, gurgly underbelly of what is northwestern Wyoming was due to explode sometime within the 250,000 years.

  29. Somehow, though all that ranting, Nick missed the obvious point. Taxpayers lose either way, and likely lose more money on the public university.

    Even if we allow that subsidizing in-state tuition is, to some degree, voluntary by the taxpayers, this one virtually committed fraud to create the in-state savings. Plus, even legitimate in-state students are taxpayer subsidized. With for-profits, taxpayers lose only the debt never repaid an written off.

    Then again, is this the same Nick Gillespie who claims we’re in a libertarian moment, when CATO says the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians.

    And our most visible candidate is a “libertarianish” extreme social conservative who did proper outreach to social liberals on the left, then fucked it all away by calling for religious tent revivals, a strategy worth of George Custer. Identity politics that thousands of elected local libertarians are too smart to play, as they learn to structure every proposal to the top half of the Nolan Chart.for the past quarter century or so. Rand Paul proves that pandering to both opposing sides is suicidal.

    I don’t have the resources of a think tank or foundation, but I know any real libertarian would be comparing student debt losses with tuition subsidies. So the anti-gummint faction loses another opportunity for us.

    Libertarian moment or Eve of Destruction? Whichever produces more donors, if less liberty.

    1. “I don’t have the resources of a think tank or foundation”

      Do you still have your own teeth?

      1. Do you still have your own teeth?

        Which part confused the Tribal Loyalist? And why are they all cyber-bullies? (Gilmore is. of course, one of the more active enforcers of obedient conformity within the cult wing of the movement)

        In fairness, he typed that as I was still typing the even more devastating correction of the cost comparison bullshit, which further confirms the danger of popping off without thinking!

        (And I’ve rarely received more sheer joy here. LOL)

          1. That’s about how I picture Hihn in real life.

            1. LynchPin1477|11.2.15 @ 9:30PM
              That’s about how I picture Hihn in real life.

              Per timestamp, this was typed AFTER I exposed Gilmore’s fuckup. And more proof of the ganglike bullying

              1. Relax dude. Nothing wrong with briefs, and those are legit moves. If I were you I’d take it as a compliment.

                1. LynchPin1477|11.2.15 @ 10:08PM|#
                  Relax dude. Nothing wrong with briefs, and those are legit moves. If I were you I’d take it as a compliment.

                  The loyal puppet says nothing wrong and legit moves. Thugs don’t give a shit if you see the truth. They’re here to commit aggression.

                  Per timestamp, this was typed AFTER I exposed Gilmore’s fuckup. And more proof of the ganglike bullying

                  http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

            2. LP, no. That dude is pure genius.

          2. I love you gil

          3. Per timestamp, this was typed AFTER I exposed Gilmore’s fuckup. And more proof of the bullying

            1. UUUUH, OOOH!
              Tired old piece of shit is *collecting evidence*! Of *bullying!* By those who call him on his bullshit! And find him a tired old piece of shit with nothing to add to the conversation!
              You’re right, MIke! Guilty as charged!
              (sniggering)
              (hooting)
              (laughing)
              (stamping foot on floor)
              (Shouting “Put it On!” – oops, wrong show!)

              1. I did say psychopathic, right? (smirk)

                Sevo|11.2.15 @ 10:00PM|#
                UUUUH, OOOH!
                Tired old piece of shit is *collecting evidence*! Of *bullying!* By those who call him on his bullshit! And find him a tired old piece of shit with nothing to add to the conversation!
                You’re right, MIke! Guilty as charged!
                (sniggering)
                (hooting)
                (laughing)
                (stamping foot on floor)
                (Shouting “Put it On!” – oops, wrong show!)

                Per timestamp, this was typed AFTER I proved Gilmore’s fuckup.

                Link to the precise comment with proof
                http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                And after I proved Sevo’s fuckup!

                http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                Here’s why cyber-bully gangs, like we’re seeing outed here, are like all other gangs in human history

                “Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.”
                -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers”

                Throughout human history, the worst abuses have been committed by those who believe they are defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party, a God and various Cults. Zealots and fanatics. The militant self-righteous.

                Keep watching. The attacks will continue. Belligerent Blowhards Uber Alles

                1. “Keep watching. The attacks will continue. Belligerent Blowhards Uber Alles”

                  Attacks? You mean accurate comments on your bullshit?
                  You do nothing here other than show up, spout irrelevancies then spend the rest of your visits claiming you’re ‘misunderstood’ and ‘bullied’. Poor, poor, poor, Mike.
                  Well, no, you’re not misunderstood at all; you are very easy to understand. You’re a tired old fart, flogging ‘ideas’ even older (and more wrong, if that’s possible) than you are. And you’re deserving of every bit of derision that is properly heaped upon you every time you blowhard your way here; that’s not ‘bullying’, that’s calling you on your bullshit.
                  Do you have a wife? Would you please go whine to her on how you’re ‘bullied’ by anonymous names on a web site? Maybe she’s smart enough to point out that you may be old but you seem never to have grown up.
                  Is that clear enough for an imbecile like you to understand? Do I need to use words with fewer syllables to get it across?

                  1. Psycho in deep denial!

                    Sevo|11.2.15 @ 11:24PM|#
                    “Keep watching. The attacks will continue. Belligerent Blowhards Uber Alles”

                    Attacks? You mean accurate comments on your bullshit?

                    (yawn) I PROVE bullshit. The psychos WHINE about bullshit!~

                    Documented proof:

                    http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                    http://bitly.com/1Ok6iG6

                    1. Normally a “bully” is an isolated individual who targets the weakest members of a group, not the vast majority of the group, in near unanimity. You think you would have noticed by now that you have no friends on Reason whatsoever, Mike. Perhaps you should think about why that is. Maybe there is something about your style of interacting with people that is offputting, eh?

                    2. (yawn) More proof of how cyber-bullies travel in a pack, like wolves

                      HazelMeade|11.3.15 @ 6:04AM|#
                      You think you would have noticed by now that you have no friends on Reason whatsoever, Mike.

                      All I have is documented facts. All you have is insults. As I’ve said, like a street gang who bullies everyone off “their” turf, then look around and are somehow amazed there are only other bullies..(gasp) Delusional

                      Perhaps you should think about why that is. Maybe there is something about your style of interacting with people that is offputting, eh?

                      You cyber-bullies keep denying elf-defense from your aggression.

                      Or perhaps your confusion is genuine. Here’s what I said at the top of the thread.
                      http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                      The attacks start immediately by Gilmore. And again after I graciously defended him!
                      http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

                      Just below that, the first of seven SEVO fuckups, but we’re allowed only two links.

                      Just keep giving me more proof. As I keep laughing at you.

                    3. Normally a “bully” is an isolated individual who targets the weakest members of a group, not the vast majority of the group, in near unanimity. You think you would have noticed by now that you have no friends on Reason whatsoever, Mike. Perhaps you should think about why that is. Maybe there is something about your style of interacting with people that is offputting, eh?

                    4. HazelMeade|11.3.15 @ 6:04AM|#
                      Normally a “bully” is an isolated individual who targets the weakest members of a group

                      Thanks for posting that twice, so I now have room to link Sevo’s severe aggression (the first of EIGHT), which was second to Gilmore’s

                      http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                      And one more of the master thug.

                      http://bitly.com/1Ok6iG6

                      Today I chose not to be bullied by you thugs

                    5. Like I said, the cyber-bulleis here travel in packs, like wolves. ganging up on anyone who dares challenge them

                      HazelMeade|11.3.15 @ 6:04AM|#
                      Normally a “bully” is an isolated individual who targets the weakest members of a group, not the vast majority of the group, in near unanimity.

                      Normally, an honest person would consider the mountain of evidence that the vast majority is all the bullies — after they scare off everyone else.

                      Perhaps ou think you would have noticed by now that you have no friends on Reason whatsoever, Mike.

                      Shoulda looked first, Slick. I have two supporters, which is amazing considering all the aggression they’d seen by your gang.

                      Maybe there is something about your style of interacting with people that is offputting, eh?

                      Umm, shoulda also checked the top of this thread, for what ignited all this hatred. I’ll help you. If you cant find the root of a thread, click here

                      http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                      Gilmore began the attacks with an implied threat of violence.AFTER I had graciously defended him!

                      http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

                      There’s much more, but I’m limited to two links. Anything else I can clear up for you?

                      P.S. On your way down, how’d ya you miss the several dozen links I had already posted?

          4. GILMORE?|11.2.15 @ 9:28PM|#
            (polite applause)

            Per time-stamps, Gilmore is applauding that he was ridiculed as a liar … this time AFTER the proof was posted!

            http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

            Yes, cyber-bulies deny reality just like their second-cousins, the Birthers!

            Watching the street gang dutifully attacking , as I predicted, has been orgasmic for me!

            (I apologize if Gilmore was applauding my gracious fairness to him, despite his bullying.)

            1. has been orgasmic for me!

              Pics?

              1. Careful, I don’t need to be arrested for indecency
                Again

                http://binged.it/1Ok4zjY

            2. Here, have a tissue.

        1. Shame on you Francisco. I’m calling you out NOW, cyber-bully.

          Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 12:00AM
          The only place it makes sense is in his head. Kinda feel sorry for the guy. Old man screams at cloud.

          Put up or shut up. The first attack was by Gilmore, AFTER I had gracioiusly defended him..

          http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

          Then Sevo, your fellow gang leader, his first of eight(so far)

          See Part 2.

          1. Part 2, call out to Francisco.

            “How about the obvious fraud?”

            Fraud as in stating it is tuition only and then offering other options if they are required at additional costs? That sort of fraud? (laughing)

            (smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies, and proves he can neither think nor read honestly! .

            I’ll make it easy for everyone to laugh at Sevo. Cost comparison published.by Nick, “…:” separates the two schools, if needed for dummies other than Sevo.

            “When I applied to college, the most appealing acceptance letters had come from the University of Vermont and Carnegie Mellon University. The former came with a scholarship, plus a chance to establish residency in the state, amounting to a bill of under $15,000 per year……The latter offered no such incentives: charges were $40,960 for tuition, fees, room, and board for the first year, and they increased each year thereafter.”

            Umm, Carnegie is the latter (snicker)
            At the psychopath level, where do we see “offering other options if they are required at additional cost”? Huh? That’s why I checked UV tuition before firing. (gasp)

            http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

            Mine is atop this thread. I defy you, Francisco. Cite anything I said that deserves ANY assaults by your street gang. Be specific. Put up or shut up.

    2. P.S. the UVM costs, are described as tuition only, but Carnegie Mellon includes room, board and fees. A quick trip to the UB website shows instate tuition at $14,664 Plus $11,000 for room and board and a $31,000 annual grand total. How about the obvious fraud?

      http://www.uvm.edu/~stdfinsv/?…..bmenu.html

      1. “How about the obvious fraud?”

        Fraud as in stating it is tuition only and then offering other options if they are required at additional costs? That sort of fraud?
        (laughing)

        1. (smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies and proves he can neither think nor read!

          I’ll make it easy for everyone to laugh at Sevo. The cost comparison as published. “…:” separates the two schools, if needed for any other thugs.

          When I applied to college, the most appealing acceptance letters had come from the University of Vermont and Carnegie Mellon University. The former came with a scholarship, plus a chance to establish residency in the state, amounting to a bill of under $15,000 per year……The latter offered no such incentives: charges were $40,960 for tuition, fees, room, and board for the first year, and they increased each year thereafter.

          Umm, Carnegie is the latter (snicker)
          At the psychopath level, where do we see “offering other options if they are required at additional cost”? Why I checked UV web page for facts. (gasp)

          Lesson for the day. Cyber-bulling in Reason’s comments.is like a street gang. The thugs travel in packs defending each other. They drive away independent thinkers, then look around and high five each other that everyone agrees. What does that say about libertarianism to the millions of new visitors who come here to explore? And is the Truth Squad the greatest obstacle to achieving liberty?

          (This page added to many others, in my demand that the Kochs shut down the comments here.)

          1. I am with you. Shut down the comments, Koch brothers. Enough is enough. Libertarianism is not about gangs and bullies and Jew lovers and thugs, it is about being able to share your independent thoughts.

            Which is why I want all of these freaks silenced.

          2. Michael Hihn|11.2.15 @ 9:37PM|#
            “(smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies and proves he can neither think nor read!”

            I’m sure you hope that exercise in pedantry is seen by others as something other than a walk-back of your fucking ignorant claim of ‘fraud’; fail.
            Well, maybe not. You got turd, with whom I’m sure you share a lot. The imbecile Jack shows up from time to time, so you might have another kindred spirit.
            Hard to admit, but Tony is probably too smart for you.
            Fuck off, you tired old piece of shit.

            1. Can someone explain to me what this all about? Was there a post deleted (or hidden by my fascr)? You all seem to be referring to something that’s not appearing on the thread for me.

              1. Michael Hihn|11.2.15 @ 9:37PM| block | mute | #

                (smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies and proves he can neither think nor read!

                I’ll make it easy for everyone to laugh at Sevo. The cost comparison as published. “…:” separates the two schools, if needed for any other thugs.

                When I applied to college, the most appealing acceptance letters had come from the University of Vermont and Carnegie Mellon University. The former came with a scholarship, plus a chance to establish residency in the state, amounting to a bill of under $15,000 per year……The latter offered no such incentives: charges were $40,960 for tuition, fees, room, and board for the first year, and they increased each year thereafter.

                Umm, Carnegie is the latter (snicker)
                At the psychopath level, where do we see “offering other options if they are required at additional cost”? Why I checked UV web page for facts. (gasp)

                Lesson for the day. Cyber-bulling in Reason’s comments.is like a street gang. The thugs travel in packs defending each other. They drive away independent thinkers, then look around and high five each other that everyone agrees. What does that say about libertarianism to the millions of new visitors who come here to explore? And is the Truth Squad the greatest obstacle to achieving liberty?

                (This page added to many others, in my demand that the Kochs shut down the comments here.)

                HM blocked Hihn. Uh-oh, he is going to come after you…

                1. the last sentence was mine.

                2. Actually, I haven’t blocked him. I’m just trying to figure out what he’s going off on Gilmore about. It seems he’s hooting and hollering that he got one over on Gilly, but for the life of me, I haven’t seen anything that would suggest that. Is he so delusional that he’s imagining posts that aren’t there? Is his word salad suggestive of schizoaffective disorder? However, beyond that morbid curiosity, I give less than a picoshit about this whole thing.

                  1. Yes, Hihn is really too stupid to waste time on. A pretentious moron who expects people to proclaim his comments the most brilliant revelations ever delivered, when they are in fact generally boring and obvious observations that high school sophomore could have made. And then whines and cries and complains of being “bullied” when people don’t declare him an amazing super-genius. He reminds me of the college kids who go around demanding a “safe space” where they won’t be “threatened” by upsetting opinions. M. Hihn wants Reason to be a “safe space” where he can safely continue to believe in his own awesomeness without being threatened by other people attempting to disabuse him of that delusion.

                    1. One more repeat aggressor, noodling with her fellow cyber-bullies.

                      HazelMeade|11.3.15 @ 6:18AM|#
                      A pretentious moron who expects people to proclaim his comments the most brilliant revelations ever delivered

                      Proven liar. I expect to comment without all the cyber-bullying … while the bullies deny proof … like Birthers. Shame on me. Or shame on you?

                    2. Repeat bullying, And a liar

                      HazelMeade|11.3.15 @ 6:18AM
                      Yes, Hihn is really too stupid to waste time on. A pretentious moron who expects people to proclaim his comments the most brilliant revelations ever delivered,

                      No, chump, I expect to he treated with respect. Here’s all I said, to trigger this wave of hatred from our pack of wild bullies.

                      http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                      Tell us, sweaty … err, sweetie … what in there does not prove you to be a liar?
                      The aggression began immediately, starting with Gilmore thug and Sevo thug.

                      http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                      Any questions? (smirk)

                      M. Hihn wants Reason to be a “safe space” where he can safely continue to believe in his own awesomeness without being threatened by other people attempting to disabuse him of that delusion.

                      Says the proven thug!

                      Vicious aggression, on a libertarian website. What a great message for the millions of visitors who are attracted by a Google topic search … and repelled by all the shameless bullying they see, thanks to Hazel and her fellow bullies, I have copy of this entire page. Guess what I will do with it. Thanks for making my job so easy!!

                      (posted in defense of repeated aggression)

              2. Heroic Mulatto|11.2.15 @ 10:20PM|#
                “Can someone explain to me what this all about?”

                Mike labors under the delusion that a statement by him is “fact” and any dispute of that is “bullying”.
                He made the claim that there was fraud where there was none at all and then attempted to justify the claim/walk it back by a combination of word salad and pedantry.
                What you’re not seeing was never there; the evidence of anything like fraud. But that’s not about to stop mike (laughing).

                1. The psycho is in DEEPER denial than a Birther!

                  Heroic Mulatto|11.2.15 @ 10:20PM|#
                  “Can someone explain to me what this all about?”

                  Mike labors under the delusion that a statement by him is “fact” and any dispute of that is “bullying”.
                  He made the claim that there was fraud where there was none at all and then attempted to justify the claim/walk it back by a combination of word salad and pedantry.

                  (snort) So who got caught lying about the content? Sevo. Go to the following link. Then compare my quote of Nick with his.

                  http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                  http://bitly.com/1Ok6iG6

                  Yet more hard proof of the street gang that patrols these comments. And their total lack of conscience or shame.

                  What you’re not seeing was never there; the evidence of anything like fraud. But that’s not about to stop mike (laughing).

                  The definition of psychopath is a total lack of guilt or conscience

              3. Heroic Mulatto|11.2.15 @ 10:20PM|#
                Can someone explain to me what this all about? Was there a post deleted (or hidden by my fascr)? You all seem to be referring to something that’s not appearing on the thread for me.

                This is what triggered all the lengthy hatred by our local street gang.

                http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                This is Gilmore burned (that you can’t seem to find)

                http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

                Continued

                1. Part 2 for Heroic (sic) Mulatto

                  This document’s Sevos first lie. when Sevo even invented his own words out of thin air for Nick’s story, which you see me labeling as psychopathic, a label he then confirmed!.

                  http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                  This is where Sevo gets called out for lying about what I said, to confirm what I had already labeled him as “psycopathic”

                  http://bitly.com/1Ok6iG6

                  Any questions?

              4. Yeah I’m with you. I’ve read the comment thread twice and have no idea what the hell he’s talking about.

                1. The only place it makes sense is in his head. Kinda feel sorry for the guy. Old man screams at cloud.

                  1. I’ve been waiting for Francisco. With Sevo, the Royalty of our gang of cyber-bullies and thugs — with infantile name-calling)

                    Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 12:00AM|#
                    The only place it makes sense is in his head. Kinda feel sorry for the guy. Old man screams at cloud.

                    (snicker)Which part(s) confuse you? Be specific

                    Somehow, though all that ranting, Nick missed the obvious point. Taxpayers lose either way, and likely lose more money on the public university.

                    Even if we allow that subsidizing in-state tuition is, to some degree, voluntary by the taxpayers, this one virtually committed fraud to create the in-state savings. Plus, even legitimate in-state students are taxpayer subsidized. With for-profits, taxpayers lose only the debt never repaid an written off.

                    … when CATO says the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians.

                    And our most visible candidate is a “libertarianish” extreme social conservative who did proper outreach to social liberals on the left, then fucked it all away by calling for religious tent revivals, a strategy worth of George Custer….

                    … but I know any real libertarian would be comparing student debt losses with tuition subsidies. So the anti-gummint faction loses another opportunity for us.
                    http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                    Then I BEGAN thumping bullies:

                    http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                    (posted in self defense of aggression)

                    1. Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 12:45AM|#
                      I rest my case.

                      (laughing) Francisco rests his case, that he’s a documented liar, directly above his “response”! See he really doesn’t care if his wackiness is visible to all. It’s about hatred and cyber-bullying. We can now add more to the existing mountain of proof.

                      (Still posting in defense of aggression)

                2. Contrarian P|11.2.15 @ 11:50PM|#
                  Yeah I’m with you. I’ve read the comment thread twice and have no idea what the hell he’s talking about.

                  Read it again (emphasis added, edited for space )

                  Somehow, though all that ranting, Nick missed the obvious point. Taxpayers lose either way, and likely lose more money on the public university.

                  Even if we allow that subsidizing in-state tuition is, to some degree, voluntary by the taxpayers, this one virtually committed fraud to create the in-state savings. Plus, even legitimate in-state students are taxpayer subsidized. With for-profits, taxpayers lose only the debt never repaid an written off.

                  … when CATO says the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians.

                  And our most visible candidate is a “libertarianish” extreme social conservative who did proper outreach to social liberals on the left, then fucked it all away by calling for religious tent revivals, a strategy worth of George Custer. ?

                  … but I know any real libertarian would be comparing student debt losses with tuition subsidies. So the anti-gummint faction loses another opportunity for us.http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                  Then I thumped two bullies:

                  http://bitly.com/1Rr09Wl

                  http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                  Any more questions?

            2. MORE PROOF: Now the Zevo/psycho lies by misquoting my proof! This is is bullshit quote:

              Michael Hihn|11.2.15 @ 9:37PM|#
              “(smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies and proves he can neither think nor read!”

              Here’s what his entire cult will deny … like Birthers. His is immediately above

              Michael Hihn|11.2.15 @ 9:37PM|#

              (smirk) Sevo’s thuggery fucks up AGAIN! Dumbass defends public subsidies and proves he can neither think nor read!

              I’ll make it easy for everyone to laugh at Sevo. The cost comparison as published. “…:” separates the two schools, if needed for any other thugs.

              When I applied to college, the most appealing acceptance letters had come from the University of Vermont and Carnegie Mellon University. The former came with a scholarship, plus a chance to establish residency in the state, amounting to a bill of under $15,000 per year……The latter offered no such incentives: charges were $40,960 for tuition, fees, room, and board for the first year, and they increased each year thereafter.

              Umm, Carnegie is the latter (snicker)
              At the psychopath level, where do we see “offering other options if they are required at additional cost”? Why I checked UV web page for facts. (gasp)

              1. You expect your entire pile of bullshit to be quoted?
                Fuck off, you tired piece of shit.

                1. MORE PSYCHOPATHY!!!!

                  You expect your entire pile of bullshit to be quoted?
                  Fuck off, you tired piece of shit.

                  Only if you lie through your ass about what you deleted! (smirk)

                  This is the clearest example of what we see throughout this thread. True Believers, driven by hatred, will ALWAYS lie, even when when the truth is plainly visible, directly above him! They are united by hatred

                  Disclaimer: My own tone is in self-defense of repeated aggression. And added to my collection of equal abuses, for a compliant to the Kochs to shut down this comments page. Reason cannot control it. And for millions of visitors looking to learn about libertarians, a disgrace to the entire movement. I was creating libertarian websites since 1993; one major function is to attract new readers, especially in the age of Google. This is just the latest in my 40+ year defense of Liberty from all threats.

                2. Sevo|11.2.15 @ 11:06PM|#
                  You expect your entire pile of bullshit to be quoted?

                  Only if you lie about what you deleted, which is what I proved. (smirk)

                  Fuck off, you tired piece of shit.

                  (sneer)
                  Adding to today’s lesson on cyber-bullies. Note that he lied about my comment which is plain view to readers. As of this moment, it’s even directly above his response! Now do you believe psychopath?

                  (I was supposed to be scared off long ago. Sorry)

                    1. (yawn) I’m getting tired of pointing to all the cyber-bullies in extreme denial.

                      GILMORE?|11.3.15 @ 1:32AM|#
                      Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom

                      The firsty “nom” ignited the firestorm of hatred,
                      All the others are in self-defense.
                      Here’s Gilmore’s fuckup, AFTER I had the grace to defend him. How sick is THAT? But tyipcal from our resident gang of bullies and thugs.

                      http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

                    2. Do you have any children?

                    3. GILMORE?|11.3.15 @ 2:00AM|#
                      Do you have any children?

                      I’ll answer that when you apologize, for attacking me after I graciously defended you, AND you acknowledged that I had defended you.

                      http://bitly.com/1NNUEjD

                      Are your parents proud of what you’ve become?

                      Today, I CHOOSE to not be cyber-bullied by aggressors

                      (My snarkiness is in defense of repeated aggression by this cyber-bully)

                    4. Cool story bro.

                    5. I suppose that was a silly question.

                    6. GILMORE?|11.3.15 @ 12:34PM|#
                      I suppose that was a silly question.

                      Yes, you gave me on more shot to call out and document your lies. And you’re the thug who launched this lengthy orgy of cyber-bullying. (sigh)

  30. Little shoulders bump small corners, man. All men are small on the face of the sun and their shoulders are weak and desparate and shit. Their shoulders bump the blasts of the sun like sneezes breaking the face of evolution which I believe created man, a SPACE SNEEZE and not a big bang. Sneezes don’t BANG. Sneezes project volume like a bazooka nose. Big bang fucking seems to posit a central pin point. Why? Space sneeze is a collection of points blasting boogers and space blow into the empty dragon butts.

    1. Bless you. Cy.

      1. The flower lofts its petals above the whited web space and upon its fragile green stem speaks in a flower bubble… peace my lovely q.

        1. I am twitchy, actually. The archives have been dugout, and I have three different hard sources to average out. I am a twitchy stick

          1. Has q been everywhere tho
            has his brush broken the surface
            of weeping bricks and steadfast cowboy cinderblocks
            where New York pretends thy don’t even curl their toes, lovely Q

            1. Been where I’ve been. Nodding when stuff has been called too purple.

  31. Warm dragons are horrible to sip. Fucking eating cocaine in pudding is fucking better than warm dragons on the goddamn Susie.

    1. How do I contact your dealer, Dude?

      1. hihn. the micheal.

        would you sell me your spaceship because I am drunk enough to pay asking, bearbaloo.

        1. Agile Cyborg|11.2.15 @ 9:13PM|#
          hihn. the micheal.
          would you sell me your spaceship because I am drunk enough to pay asking, bearbaloo.

          Per timestamp, this was typed AFTER I proved Gilmore’s fuckup.

          Link to the precise comment with proof

          http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

          1. Trying to pick on AC is a new low for you Hinh.

            1. Goody, goody, one more gang member nailed!

              JPyrate|11.2.15 @ 11:30PM
              Trying to pick on AC is a new low for you Hinh.

              IQ test for readers. Did JPyrate REALLY say that directly under the proof? bwaaa haaaa

              Proof again. Cyber-bullies travel in packs AND totally devoid of shame or conscience.

              PLEASE give me more proof to submit to the Kochs. (Multiple screen shots in case the assholes are protected by deletion)

            2. JPyrate|11.2.15 @ 11:30PM|#
              “Trying to pick on AC is a new low for you Hinh.”

              Well, mike is ‘bullied’ when he posts his bullshit here, so if you’re a victim, why, there is no depth which is denied you.
              And poor mike is a victim! Just read what he posts! Everybody is ‘bullying’ him! It is quite pathetic, if you get what I mean, and I think you do.

              1. Mike is a senile old man. He’d be worthy of our pity, if he wasn’t such an asshole.

                1. Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 12:08AM|#
                  “Mike is a senile old man. He’d be worthy of our pity, if he wasn’t such an asshole.”

                  Logic doesn’t work, so I’m afraid you’re right. If he didn’t have the rep, I’d suspect we were visited once more by White Indian; the same sort of denial, ‘big lie’ claims, presumption of importance; a general disconnect with reality.
                  Pathetic..

                2. Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 12:08AM|#
                  Mike is a senile old man. He’d be worthy of our pity, if he wasn’t such an asshole.

                  Francisco — a diusgrace to the real one — was exposed as a bully here. So I shall be punished unto eternity by his childish name-calling

                  http://bitly.com/1NO3y0o

                  Again, they not only travel in packs, they keep rejecting over a half page of documneted proof … like Birthers they are True Believers, serial aggressors

                  Mass movements do not need a god, but they do need a devil. Hatred unifies the True Believers.” -Eric Hoffer, “The True Believers”

                  Throughout human history, the worst abuses have been committed by those who believe they are defending some “greater good” — the Collective, the State, the Master Race, the Party, a God, or a gaqzillion Cults. The militant self-righteous.

                  (posted in defense of repeated aggression, more than half this page,)

              2. Do I keep saying the bullies are a street gang, who travel in a pack? Need more proof? In Sevo’s fifth (so far) documented lie, he defends a fellow bully

                Sevo|11.3.15 @ 12:04AM|#

                JPyrate|11.2.15 @ 11:30PM|#
                “Trying to pick on AC is a new low for you Hinh.”

                Well, mike is ‘bullied’ when he posts his bullshit here, so if you’re a victim, why, there is no depth which is denied you.
                And poor mike is a victim! Just read what he posts! Everybody is ‘bullying’ him! It is quite pathetic, if you get what I mean, and I think you do.

                (sigh) Here is JPyate’s comment. Did he lie about the truth, the link directly above him?

                http://bitly.com/1Q7oxhd

                Proof again, our gang bullies suffers severe denial, just like Birthers and Obamanauts(yawn)
                But I get more proof for the Kochs.

                1. But I get more proof for the Kochs.

                  Proof that you’re shuffling 46.

                  1. Francisco d’Anconia|11.3.15 @ 1:02AM|#
                    Proof that you’re shuffling 46.

                    Proof that this comment section should be shut down or moderated like every other partisan site on the web, including CATO.

                    You were first called out as a thug here (sigh). Keep showing readers how wacky is your cult

                    http://bitly.com/1NO3y0o

                2. “But I get more proof for the Kochs.”

                  Mike, look, no one cares about your “proofs”. No one. Not “the Kochs”, not the libertarian party, not the folks down the street, no one. Well, maybe your wife might be concerned.
                  Maybe you’re just drunk; go to bed and sleep it off. But maybe you have more problems, I don’t know. But if you do, a web site comment list ain’t gonna help.
                  Talk to your doctor for starters; maybe he or she can give you some direction for assistance. This is not the place to look for help. All you get here is the laughter you so richly deserve.

                  1. Sevo|11.3.15 @ 1:09AM|#
                    Mike, look, no one cares about your “proofs”. No one

                    Cyber-bully in severe denial. Sevo’s first lie was proven here,

                    http://bitly.com/1NnbGXB

                    So was that MY truth or THE truth? (snicker) Next his most shameless lie, perhaps the worst in this page of shame.

                    http://bitly.com/1Ok6iG6

                    The fact that the cult never gives up, keeps attacking, is why this comments section is hopelessly lost to honest libertarians and scares shit out of visitors here. But the Kochs won’t give a shit how their millions are being used against them? Can we add delusional the Sevo’s rap sheet?

              3. Yup. Bullies always cry the loudest when you stand up to them. =)

                1. Seriously Hinh. Sober up, and get some help.

                  1. JPyrate|11.3.15 @ 11:00AM|#
                    Seriously Hinh. Sober up, and get some help.

                    More WHINING because I called out your bullshit here?

                    http://bitly.com/1H3mN6K

                    The psycho bullies don’t care how they humiliate themselves. For them. it’s about the hatred. And loyalty to their cult

                    And spelling my name wrong, for three months of his bullying! How many times can he fail to read?

                    (Snarkiness is self-defense against non-stop aggression)

                2. JPyrate|11.3.15 @ 10:56AM|#
                  Yup. Bullies always cry the loudest when you stand up to them. =)

                  I call it WHINING because I stood up to you here.

                  http://bitly.com/1H3mN6K

                  (laughing)

                  1. Michael !!!! You need to stop drinking !!! You are scaring the Grandkid’s !!!!

                    1. JPyrate|11.3.15 @ 12:40PM|#
                      Michael !!!! You need to stop drinking !!! You are scaring the Grandkid’s !!!!

                      You need to stop the bullying You’re scaring the shit out of new visitors, about what libertarians are llke. That makes you and your fellow cyber-bullies a threat to liberty. Even worse than Obama, as seen here:.

                      http://bitly.com/1Q7oxhd

  32. My fucking eyes are squinting and the fucking light is negative and shit. Fucking drugs man. I am about to ride a dragon into NASA. I think space lives there. That cant be. No space lives in fucking Nasa i think space is fake and dead and NASA makes outer planet earth come alive for trillions of rednecks. I think earth is a single globe in a fake world. I have to stop or I will go fucking brain zilch.

  33. The only thing real is my dog, my kids, and my two pussies, my sketch book, and Bertrand Russell and reason and all these insane fucks every fucking day.

  34. Underneath real is dreams.
    and dreams play games with humans
    humans don’t care because humans
    are organized by their massive plans and shit
    and they all force unwilling humans to live their lifestyles
    through force and I think we have democracy to thank for this
    because I do not give a living motherfucking FUCK LIVING SHIT
    about your socialism or right wing governing because you are ALL
    forcing ME to submit against my will under the threat of violence
    to be like you miserable nasty viruses.

    I hate you.

    I hate you with suck.

    I hate your governance, you fucking filthy brutalizing marxists and Christians. I hate you.

    You’ve ruined the greatest place on earth you nasty horrible diseases. FUCK your snot of socalled society.

    I hate America. I hate all the countries. I hate earth. I hate every motherfucking place on earth that demands justice at the end of a barrel of monsters eating and destroying the fucking faces of hobos with Gawker acid. praise gawker.

  35. Bums want free housing:

    “Activists take to Airbnb lobby to protest company practices”
    […]
    “On Monday at around noon, “dozens of housing and homeless activists” entered the company’s offices and began a “peaceful protest,” according to SF Weekly.”
    http://www.sfgate.com/news/art…..pid=brknow

    I’m sure this was spontaneous; no one collected the bums in vans and took them there!

    1. And our own suellington gets in a good sarc-poke at the idjits in the comments.
      Go suellington!

      1. Couldn’t find it. Maybe removed comment which would be surprising. How the hell do you stand it there, Sevo?

        1. Oops. He uses another handle there and I thought he’d mentioned it here. I’m a bit nervous about the chance of doxing him.
          Suffice to say he’s there poking the lefties, and doing it well.
          And suffice to say you can find kindred spirits here. Not many, but how many peoples’ company do you really desire?

          1. I suppose you can enjoy the laughs provided by the freaks running the asylum. Prince Hal hung out with Falstaff for quite a while. Being around statists too long pushes me to the breaking point. *Spell check doesn’t recognize “statists” as a word.

  36. I will be happy and my brain heart looks into the old earth.
    and I might die on that altar or draw a pen on it. and shit

  37. the steps down into my lonely fingers are steep, lovely reason brother
    I love so love my reason brother and the fuck… well I am trying to feel my
    fucking shit and make way for the girls but thar is fwe
    so i guess i saw a tiny whale filled with girls he ate for lunch and they are still
    alive on his tummy and probably really warm because broadway is cold tonight
    and their whale taxi has internet connection bro…

    so the waves carve little dips and wands and shit and I hope that whale doesn’t kill those girls because if he does I will fucking end his whale life with a agile mma move and so it goes

    but I have NO FUCKING idea what I will do if those girls die… jesus boobs.!

  38. So Rachel Dolezal is out there still claiming she’s black and some Slate writer is glad the Mets lost because one player is apparently a homophobe. Who says America is going the wrong way?

  39. the alley of reason is spilling from my goddamn fingers man
    like i am tripping on a fucking space horse and shit and just clicking crap
    into the moons

    but agile cyborg fully respects my trip. I demand that if i am tripping deep i will WILL
    respect the oven I am being cooked in. I will be sweet space bread man. Super sweet bread and shit

    so i just stuck a knife in my neck…..

  40. fucking songs/ ,man.
    ,make your twizzlers twizzle like
    scrampo tums
    and jummy boons wecnhui boochie
    wanchie wanki pooki
    loopi ghoosta jakousta
    flaggy maggay hujji mujji jordan
    fuck whut butt fuck and penis suck
    and ladan wan da ;la popop;alakid
    wi ;i koo [pi ghosti whosti
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    1. ever lala ghosts metal nasa cock reason plutonia so babe look pesy the mind clouds and not fall down
      into the old holes and witches loving agile under the pillaging screams and falling dimes when they smash the
      fingers ,men just lost dimes and witches and agile man just so llall thescrams voicarra,

      jsjssskskssja;;ako o i kiss ,,ymy face amd amdamd and O w i wo;
      i will cut ,y thrpa
      iwill cut my throat like aa good saudi

      1. Hotties will ride Musk to orbit. Make of that what you will. But the smell will be overpowering.

      2. lala ghosts

        Excellent.

  41. Who cares about BAs, whats the number for BSs?

    1. As far as I can tell, the Urban Institute study didn’t disaggregate BAs and BSs in their report. Those numbers are for Bachelor’s degrees, total.

      Blame Gillespie’s lazy wording

      1. I figured as much. What can you expect from an english major?

        My degree wasnt technically BS either, it was a BNE.

        1. Bachelor of Nudity Examination?

              1. Well, he’s here instead of…

      2. I can plug random text strings into the Google search engine and sometimes get a serious answer.

        “BA in Physics”

        Have a look.

        “BS in Literature” is a pretty much a null set.

  42. I really think the best of AC needs to be compiled into a book.

    1. Correction, unabridged works of Agile Cyborg would be better.

      1. I believe it was already published under the title “Necronomicon“.

    2. “I really think the best of AC needs to be compiled into a book.”

      YOU pick the “best”, rob.

    3. make an app out of them. You sign up and at random times during the day the app will buzz and present an AC mindflower and then you must say that to the very next person you verbally interact with.

    4. I’ll pay his entry fee into a women’s week poetry slam. I’ll pay two if he brings a sign language interpreter with him.

  43. Power is back on, I have internet, and…..

    Oh shit. No thanks

    1. I have battery backup! You should too. If you go dark for a few days I will assume you’ve gone to Africa to hunt a lion.

      1. I have several battery backups. The “planned outage” outlasted all of them. I even modified the battery backup for my fiber terminal so it would last a few days.

        That still doesn’t help me microwave baby milk, though…

      2. So how many lion cubs did you kill while we weren’t watching?

        Yeah, I got a week-long blackout a few years ago. I had to smell the food I removed my freezer. Problems in paradise.

        A cop or fireman is nothing compared to an IBEW electrician. Knock, knock, ‘Hi, we’re going in your backyard.’

  44. A 2014 study of recent college grads found that English majors had a lower unemployment rate than did econ majors.

    Talk about cherry picking. English had a worse unemployment rate than almost any other major. It’s unlikely people who are good at wordsmithing and assembling information needed a college education to be good at it.

    1. Yeah, but they probably need the credentials to be hired.

      Remember a year or two ago when Reason was looking for an editor? Despite all their articles saying college wasn’t necessary for people, they wanted a college grad to be their editor…

  45. In pretty much every other area primarily funded by the government, federal dollars come with federal price controls and federal audits to make sure the money isn’t being wasted. Somehow universities have gotten away without having these, and they are wasting money left and right (but mostly left).

    1. My wife’s sister-in-law is an admissions officer at a top-20 university. She doesn’t speak English beyond a 3rd grade level. That’s kind of interesting because everyone else in her family (Chinese) has learned to speak English fluently. In fairness I’ve been told she’s deaf in one ear. But I’ve asked to pass the salt in the both and she doesn’t respond. But then she hears a knock on the door.

      1. She sounds like a lot of physics and math teachers I had in college.

        They were cheap, I guess though. (Not for the students, but I guess the University)

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  48. This type of story always leaves me wondering: So what’s the next step, really? Is it denying student loans and easy credit to people who don’t really need them?

    1. Fucking squirrels.

      The correct way to think about this question is to ask what a private bank would do if they were lending the money. They would most likely calibrate loan eligibility, and interest rates, to the likelihood of being repaid.

      That doesn’t mean no loans for students that don’t “need” them. It means no loans (or higher interest rates) for studying subjects with poor employment prospects, or for students with poor grades.

      1. Prospective college students have no credit history of their own. If you treat it like a normal loan, then it’s going to hinge on the parents’ willingness to be cosigners and their own creditworthiness. AKA kids from poor families won’t be able to get loans for college. Maybe you’re OK with that, but let’s be up front about that fact.

        1. I am okay with that. Kids from poor families can work thru college and have an advantage over the kids whose parents get them loans.

        2. parents can help, but so can good SAT scores and a sensible choice of occupation. If only rich kids with C averages can afford to major in women’s studies, I’m ok with that.

  49. Nope I think it is inevitable.

    http://www.CompletePrivacy.tk

  50. I would tell young people to enroll part-time in some cheap local college for the social aspects, work (also part-time if possible) at some job that has interest for you, and get all the knowledge you need from Google, the public library, or anywhere for free. That piece of paper called a diploma is not important in the long run.

    Now, if you want to be a brain surgeon or ballet dancer or something that actually NEEDS schooling, that’s a different thing.

    Also, get govt OUT of education wherever possible; they ALWAYS screw it up and make it cost more.

  51. The problem isn’t the English major. It’s the writing career. English majors can do well in business or Law. It’s just that those aren’t the career paths they necessarily had in mind.

  52. Between Agile Cyborg in perfect form and the Hihn-denburg crashing and shitting all over this was the most entertaining thing I’ve seen on Reason in a long while.

    1. bluecanarybythelightswitch
      Between Agile Cyborg in perfect form and the Hihn-denburg crashing and shitting all over this ?

      (lol) I’m calling you out. Review my comment which ignited all the aggression. Which words do YOU say deserve that hatred? Edited only for space. Emphasis added

      Somehow, though all that ranting, Nick missed the obvious point. Taxpayers lose either way, and likely lose more money on the public university.

      Even if we allow that subsidizing in-state tuition is, to some degree, voluntary by the taxpayers, this one virtually committed fraud to create the in-state savings. Plus, even legitimate in-state students are taxpayer subsidized. With for-profits, taxpayers lose only the debt never repaid an written off.

      ? when CATO says the libertarian brand is rejected by 91% of libertarians.

      And our most visible candidate is a “libertarianish” extreme social conservative who did proper outreach to social liberals on the left, then fucked it all away by calling for religious tent revivals, a strategy worth of George Custer. …

      … any real libertarian would be comparing student debt losses with tuition subsidies. So the anti-gummint faction loses another opportunity for us.

      Libertarian moment or Eve of Destruction?

      Be specific. Or stand in line with the other thugs. I cannot be bullied.

  53. I think student will never stop wasting money. Students just can’t pay more than they pay today. Price for college tuition hold stay the same, otherwise youth will just drown in debt! Attending and studying in college should be much more affordable than it is today. Lots of students don’t know what to do because they have to choose between their future career opportunities and getting in debt. Everything wouldn’t be so bad if all the graduates would have a chance to get employed and work on decent job. But unfortunately, many of young people visit PaydayLoansOnlineService.com to make payments on their loans and don’t know anything about their future.

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