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Policy

Sex Trafficking and Prostitution Are Not the Same Thing

But grant hungry activists and vice squads want you to think they are.

Joshua Swain and Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 10.3.2015 7:00 PM

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Forcing others into sex or labor is abhorrent, and it deserves to be treated like the serious violation it is. But the activity now targeted under human trafficking laws includes everything from engaging in consensual prostitution to giving a sex worker a ride to a job to running a classified-advertising site.

These laws are in large part the result of a decades-long anti-prostitution crusade from Christian "abolitionists" and anti-sex feminists, bolstered by officials who know a good political opportunity when they see one and media that never met a moral panic they didn't like.

Learn more in the video above or by checking out Reason's November 2015 cover story, "The War on Sex Trafficking is the New War on Drugs." An excerpt from the story:  

.. many of the policies in place to fight trafficking actively work against their own stated mission. The criminalization of prostitution keeps sex workers from reporting abuse and keeps clients from coming forward if they suspect someone is being trafficked. Victims themselves are afraid to go to police for fear they'll be arrested for prostitution—and indeed, they often are.

In 2012, 579 minors were reported to the federal government as having been arrested for prostitution and commercialized vice. Prosecutors say they need this as a "bargaining chip" to make the victims testify against their perpetrators. We're just using state violence and the threat of incarceration against children in order to save them!

Another misguided government target is the classified advertising website Backpage, home to many an "escort" ad. Lawmakers accuse the site of "profiting off of child exploitation," even though only a miniscule percentage of Backpage ads—which anyone can put up—are posted by traffickers rather than adult sex workers. Both legislators and anti-trafficking groups have long been intent on shutting the site down. Yet "street-based sex workers, across studies, face much higher rates of violence than indoor sex workers," (said) Serpent Libertine, a Sex Workers Outreach Project (SWOP)-Chicago board member. "It's hard to understand how eliminating a low-barrier way to work indoors would promote safety."

(…) But at least we're getting the really bad guys, right? That's also up for debate. Peruse trafficking arrest records and you'll find many folks like Amber Batt, an Alaska woman who faces 10 to 25 years in federal prison (plus a lifetime on the sex-offender registry) for running an escort service featuring adult women who freely elected to work there. Or Julie Haner, a 19-year-old Oregon sex worker who was charged with trafficking after taking her 17-year-old friend with her to meet clients. Or Aimee Hart, 42, who served seven months in prison and faces 15 years on the sex-offender registry for driving her adult friend to a prostitution job. Or Hortencia Medeles-Arguello, a 71-year-old Houston bar owner arrested as the leader of a "sex trafficking conspiracy" because she allowed prostitution upstairs.

There's Trenton McLemore, 29, who faces federal sex trafficking charges for "facilitating" the sex work of his 16-year-old girlfriend by purchasing the girl a cellphone and sometimes texting clients for her. He faces a mandatory minimum of 10 years and possible life in prison, thanks to a joint effort of Irving, Texas, police; Homeland Security; and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. And Alfonso Kee Peterson, 28, arrested in July for telling a 17-year-old on Facebook that he could help her earn a lot of money from prostitution. The "teen" turned out to be a police decoy. Despite the absence of any real victim or any activity beyond speech, Peterson was charged with one felony count of human trafficking of a minor, one felony count of pandering, and one felony count of attempted pimping; he faces up to 12 years in prison. This important sting apparently warranted the work of several local police departments, the California Highway Patrol, and the FBI.

Even if we grant that some of this activity is unsavory, is it really the sort of behavior that warrants lengthy prison sentences and attention from federal agents? Since when is what adults—or even teenagers—willingly do with their genitalia a matter of homeland security? Is this really what President Obama had in mind at the CGI conference when he compared anti-trafficking laws to the Emancipation Proclamation?

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Joshua Swain was a producer for "Stossel on Reason" and Reason TV. A Virginia native, he attended George Mason University.

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  1. SIV   10 years ago

    "You're one of Swan's girls now"

    1. MJGreen - Docile Citizen   10 years ago

      Pepper Jack needs to get paid.

    2. SIV   10 years ago

      Youtube failed me in finding clips from the excellent Little Ladies of the Night which was the best of that 1970s genre of Made For TV jailbait hooker movies.

    3. jrom   10 years ago

      The vice squads want your money and all of your assets to pay for their big bloated benefit and pension plans. Plus, they make over a 100 thousand a year in pension pay, after they retire. And they pay no federal or state taxes.

  2. C. S. P. Schofield   10 years ago

    OF COURSE they are the same thing. The people behind this Crusade aren't interested in actually doing anything about cultures - like Islam - where actual slavered is practiced, and actual sex-slavery exists. The entire Sex Trafficking panic is intended as an attack on sex-workers. Some of the Crusaders are afraid of sex-work becoming legal because ether see it as undermining society's morality. Some of them (I'm looking at YOU, Radical Feminists) are afraid that if men can buy sex, they won'y put up with the emotional and other blackmail that so-called 'modern relationships' come with.

    The Sex Trafficking panic isn't a serious issue that has been hijacked by idiots. It is an idiotic issue that is trying to pretend that bears some relationship to something else entirely.

  3. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

    Sex Trafficking is the new pink.

    1. The Hyperbole   10 years ago

      what was the old pink?

      1. Quincy.   10 years ago

        Fuchsia.

        1. commodious spittoon   10 years ago

          Why doesn't Magneto wear purple in the new Marvel movies?

          Because the days of fuchsia passed.

          1. Quincy.   10 years ago

            Pronounce it as it's spelled.

          2. Rhywun   10 years ago

            *groan*

          3. GILMORE?   10 years ago

            my groan just groaned

      2. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

        This?

  4. JeremyR   10 years ago

    There's Trenton McLemore, 29, who faces federal sex trafficking charges for "facilitating" the sex work of his 16-year-old girlfriend by purchasing the girl a cellphone and sometimes texting clients for her

    Uh, so he's her pimp, basically?

    Prostitution should be legal, but not for minors and pimps are scum bags.

    1. Moroni   10 years ago

      Not for minors below the age of consent, certainly. But I don't see how it's libertarian to prohibit people from doing something for pay that is legal to do for free.

    2. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

      Yeah, I think if you want the general public to take you seriously on this issue this is not one of your poster boys. In fact you pretty much ensure your entire argument will be ridiculed and ignored by using scumbags exploiting children as your examples. I'd personally fuck this guy up if I came across him. The Peterson dude deserves whatever happens to him as well. Was this article wrote to help the puritans?

  5. Itchy Puss   10 years ago

    Leave the Sex workers alone.

    People like Elliot Spitzer and others that patronize Sex workers on their private time and then turn around and facilitate the prosecution of other people doing the same thing should SPEAK UP AGAINST THIS WAR on WOMEN.

    Given the current economy, many of these young women with no skills have a choice between the $15/hr job or The $150/hr job. Is that really a choice?

    I'm a short/bald/funny-looking/middle-age TROLL. I gotta pay for my pussy.

    If I was young and pretty and/or people would pay me $150/hr to have sex, with a condom, in a safe location knowing that the John is not an undercover cop. I'd do it.

    1. Crusty Juggler   10 years ago

      I will not have you sullying the reputation of bald, funny-looking men. We do not have to pay!

      1. Quincy.   10 years ago

        Dome pride!

        *fist bump*

        1. Crusty Juggler   10 years ago

          Ach balden!

          1. Quincy.   10 years ago

            "I'm surprised Hitler didn't round up the toupee people."
            Trump's fascism will be the most fun fascism!

      2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

        If you're bald, where does the crust accumulate?

        1. RBS   10 years ago

          Do you really want to know the answer?

          1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

            Lemme count the beer in the fridge first.

            1. Crusty Juggler   10 years ago

              You guys are going to give me a bad reputation.

    2. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

      You would prolly want to change your name

  6. JeremyR   10 years ago

    And Alfonso Kee Peterson, 28, arrested in July for telling a 17-year-old on Facebook that he could help her earn a lot of money from prostitution.

    Another pimp. Anyway, I think the difference is that sex traffickers are people who directly profit of of the prostitute's work, but don't actually prostitute themselves. I don't think anyone should be sticking up for them.

    1. SIV   10 years ago

      Like capitalists profit off other people's labor. comrade?

    2. Moroni   10 years ago

      So you want prostitutes to be required to be self-employed?

      It makes sense for prostitutes to have the protection of an employer, especially given the kind of work they do.

    3. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

      In many states it's legal to have sex with a 17 year old. If that's the case, why should she not be allowed to make money from it?

      Another pimp. Anyway, I think the difference is that sex traffickers are people who directly profit of of the prostitute's work, but don't actually prostitute themselves. I don't think anyone should be sticking up for them.

      As SIV said, how is this argument different from commies arguing that capitalists just 'profit off of' the labor of others? Unless coercion is involved or the girl is underage, there is no issue. Many prostitutes might want someone to handle the business side of things, or multiple girls might want to hire someone to handle the issue of finding clients or handling the money. People like that exist in every other industry and it's ridiculous to declare them sex-traffickers in this one industry.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

        In many states it's legal to have sex with a 17 year old.

        In 31 states, the age is 16.

        1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

          I assume that you keep that written down for your travels.

          1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

            I keep it in my wallet with the condom.

            1. Vapourwear   10 years ago

              Bad place for a condom....

        2. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

          Yup. If you're old enough to have sex, why should you not be allowed to make money off of it?

          At a certain point it shouldn't be allowed because the girl is too young. However, at that point she shouldn't be having sex at all.

          If it's not statutory rape then there should be no issue if money is exchanged.

          1. Suthenboy   10 years ago

            I think the saying is: If she is old enough to go to the store, she is old enough to get bread (bred).

            I nice double entendre...well, triple entendre.

            1. Suthenboy   10 years ago

              My apologies.

              Correction: If she is old enough to drive to the store, she is old enough to get bread (bred).

  7. SIV   10 years ago

    Sex trafficking is the old White Slavery

    1. Corning   10 years ago

      "You want ass? There is no ass in the whole world like a young Jewish girl that's hookin."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6TNgqIAYyE

  8. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

    I'd say the feds should limit their attention to enforcing the 13th Amendment - so if someone is literally practicing sex slavery, take them down.

    If the states want to deal with the consensual type of prostitution, the feds don't have the authority to meddle, unless someone actually uses the facilities of interstate or foreign commerce to engage in sex traffic, and even then I'd focus on the slavery stuff.

    And certainly I wouldn't treat it as "interstate commerce" if you simply drive your lover across state lines for your own pleasure, where there's no commerce involved.

    1. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

      And I don't know how much slavery (sexual or otherwise) there is in the US, but I now the amount is more than 0. It's possible that activists in search of better budgets have exaggerated the exact amount. I wouldn't know how to get an accurate count.

      1. Suthenboy   10 years ago

        I think the number is pretty low. Actual sex slavery is pretty rare surely or we would see more cases. You are correct in that finding sound numbers is probably impossible.

        1. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

          I recall an episode of Boston Legal (a drama aimed at aging progressives) in which a Haitian slave is on trial for killing her master - in the United States. Naturally, the slave, the owner, and the main defense attorney are black, to avoid having any more liberal awkwardness than necessary.

          1. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

            Oh, and the black attorney is an SJW twofer - black *and* a cross-dresser (though not in court). The producers must have been so proud of their enlightenment.

  9. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    The giant flying foot of society fucking gains strange powers through slamming itself repeatedly into the solar plexus of individualized liberty and its free thinking embodiment of living freedoms.

    People moving, living, and loving freely on this planet has never gone without challenge from those invested in dominating and violating others. It's as if even open societies are forced to struggle for oxygen among the motherfucking fools flooding into the halls of power excited to tighten the governmental cord on the necks of those who demand space and rights from the fierce legislating crowds.

    This quest of the angry subservient morally reaching and screeching and found screaming at those who step outside the lines on the gawkers, twitters, ars technicas, slates, salons, mother jones', and on and on who despises with a withering hatred those who refuse to acquiesce to their chosen leering governmental power is a theme that never seems to abate, man.

    1. Quincy.   10 years ago

      This quest of the angry subservient morally reaching and screeching

      A cheap morality. It isn't about making the world a better place, it's complaining that the world isn't utopia yet.

      1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

        But morality is about using chains and biceps to sculpt the landscapes of social justice and jesus and mohammed and the pope so clearly become the fuckton gods of horror for love and peace.

    2. Corning   10 years ago

      "This quest of the angry subservient morally reaching and screeching and found screaming at those who step outside the lines on the gawkers, twitters, ars technicas, slates, salons, mother jones', and on and on who despises with a withering hatred those who refuse to acquiesce to their chosen leering governmental power is a theme that never seems to abate, man."

      Honestly i usually only read a few words of what you write and get lost and abandon it....

      I really should stop doing that.

  10. Galactic Chipper Cdr Lytton   10 years ago

    OT: The rest of the first season of The Man in the High Castle will be released 11/20 on Amazon.

    1. RAHeinlein   10 years ago

      Thanks for the tip - my son is reading this now.

  11. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

    Oregon shooter died of self inflicted gunshot wound.
    http://www.oregonlive.com/paci.....eriff.html

    1. Quincy.   10 years ago

      Good,

    2. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

      He should have started with that

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

        Yeah, but he was a dick.

        1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

          No doubt

    3. Suthenboy   10 years ago

      I am honestly surprised that no students have been shot by the police at incidents like this. I seem to remember some rumors that it happened at Columbine but I can find nothing on it.

  12. SIV   10 years ago

    Tennessee Lt. Governor Urges Christians to Carry Weapons to Counter Angry Armed Aspie Atheist Attacks

    1. Brian   10 years ago

      He he.

    2. GILMORE?   10 years ago

      reposting and update

      Father of Oregon Shooter = It wasn't my crazy son, but lack of regulations that killed those people

      We've also ruled out "parenting" as a relevant factor, apparently

      Among the worst pieces of bullshit in this spinning-so-hard-you-can-stick-to-the-walls story... is the "infographic/link" saying,

      "'How They Got Their Guns: Criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent mass shootings from obtaining their weapons"

      Of course, the Oregon shooter was not one of these "8 out of 14", and neither were the other more-prominent recent cases (victor flanagan, Roof, etc); and one of the ones mentioned wouldn't have mattered anyway, since the shooter stole the gun from a family member.

      basically, their "8 examples" don't actually seem to be relevant to the actual "mass shootings" they're reporting on.

      Never mind that they put the Oregon shooter's name next to the picture of an AR-15, something he didn't end up using at all in the actual event.

      The @#()*$@ desperation of the Regulators is appalling. They're far more interested in posting pictures of scary guns that mentioning "who got killed"
      Criminal histories and documented mental health problems did not prevent at least eight of the gunmen in 14 recent mass shootings from obtaining their weapons.

      1. GILMORE?   10 years ago

        whoops, link

      2. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

        It also wouldn't have happened had you chosen to bust a nut on your wife's face, like normal people.

        Fuck this guy.

      3. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

        The most powerful man in the world uses drones to murder people and their children based on the whims of shitty agents.

        Why the most powerful man in the world thinks he has the right to speak on gun control should make leftists weep.

  13. Corning   10 years ago

    I suggest Reason hire this woman:

    http://www.youtube.com/channel.....eNLc8PYuvg

    Her recent video of her sitting on her couch talking about a class she is taking got 5 times as many views as the above video did....plus unlike current millennial reason staffers I think she might actually be a libertarian.

    Bonus fun:

    She got kicked out of the Slut Walk.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-j.....by-police/

    1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

      She's a babe

      1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

        If she was fat as fuck and had no boobs she'd still be interesting, Almighty Jabbing Blobships, IF the words that slipped off her chin cliff were reeled in by my font nets making them worth pausing this fuck for some time... still paused and wondering tho

        1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

          True. She's still a babe though.

          1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

            Of course, Almighty Jello Bombs. We both understand that our cocks are like alien spaceships seeking out new life on the digital universe beyonds and most vagina planets and stars are cool but not interesting enough to break through the bruising shields with our cock comets but I do agree her planet is worth circling.

    2. Mint Berry Crunch   10 years ago

      ....plus unlike current millennial reason staffers I think she might actually be a libertarian.

      Who are you referring to here?

      1. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

        His nemesis, Elizabeth Nolan Brown.

        1. Mint Berry Crunch   10 years ago

          I thought so, but he pluralized 'staffers' so I didn't know if he had other names in mind.

          Does Slade fail the purity test for being Catholic? Does Suave fail for being ..... too boyishly handsome?

          1. MJGreen - Docile Citizen   10 years ago

            And Welch for calling Trump a dumb-dumb.

          2. SIV   10 years ago

            Slade seems solid. Soave, sure. ENB had to look up "libertarian" in the dictionary before she applied/accepted the offer. Then psych herself into "yeah, I think I can kinda fake that"

            1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

              ENB had to look up "libertarian" in the dictionary before she applied/accepted the offer.

              Sumthin, sumthin...pot...kettle...racist...

          3. Rhywun   10 years ago

            too boyishly handsome

            A couple weeks of Survivor ought to take care of that.

          4. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

            Shut it down, the ENB know!!!!

            1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

              ENB is also a babe

              1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

                Seconded.

              2. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

                ENB looks my wife. Hot, blonde, and petite.

                1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

                  Lucky Cyborg

                2. Pl?ya Manhattan.   10 years ago

                  PICS

                  1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

                    Heroic masturbates to my wife' ass, baby.

                    1. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

                      This is true.

          5. Corning   10 years ago

            It would be better to search for a negative by looking for the one which doesn't have a Vox or Gawker cock in their mouths.....haven't seen one yet.

            1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

              CORNING...mom says to take off your tinfoil hat and come upstairs to dinner.

              1. Corning   10 years ago

                https://twitter.com/jasonkeisling

                Count the Vox and Gawker links

                1. Carl, Fighter of the Nightman   10 years ago

                  Count the Vox and Gawker links

                  Erm, 3 since Sep. 9th-ish?

                  1. GILMORE?   10 years ago

                    ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED

                  2. Corning   10 years ago

                    io9 and kotaku are both gawker

                2. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

                  So you cherry-picked one person with a Reason connection, found that he'd tweeted...what? 5 Vox or Gawker links since September 9th, and concluded that Reason is secretly being run by left-wing Gawkerphiles.

                  Here's Stephanie Slade. Can't find any Gawker, but do see a shitload of Pope talk, since she's Catholic.

                  Here's Welch. Don't see any Gawker stuff. He mostly talks about the Angels.

                  So your argument is that one Reason person tweeted some stuff about Gawker, even though a bunch of others never talk about the subject. It's almost like each person who works there has a different personality and tweets different stuff dependent upon that personality. Which clearly signifies a pro-Gawker conspiracy.

                3. Jason Keisling   10 years ago

                  You caught me! Now that you've discovered that I reached my Gawker tweet quota, can you please make them aware so that I can be paid?

            2. GILMORE?   10 years ago

              "It would be better to search for a negative by looking for the one which doesn't have a Vox or Gawker cock in their mouth"

              ...
              ...
              ...

              Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science?

        2. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

          My piles of gears and steaming machinations screwed to the inside of the fucking cave called agile's thought biome has determined that ENB is the coolest modern feminist ever popped from a vagina. But this young lady Brother Corning has inserted into the living clouds here deserves the right to wrestle in the philosophical mud with alligators to figure out some strange way that her form of feminism is worth pondering past a single second.

          I have debated feminists for fucking decades. I've read everything they have penned. I am married to a powerful and successful female who hates feminists. This bitch agile isn't new to feminism.

          1. Corning   10 years ago

            wrestle in the philosophical mud with alligators to figure out some strange way that her form of feminism is worth pondering past a single second.

            Meh....Really seems obvious that sexbots and prostitution should be legal. Libertarianism leads me to that fact without any form of feminism. I can ponder a form of feminism that rejects small government MRAs and free speech Gamergate with prejudice from libertarianism until the sun collapses into a black hole but will continue to see it as an enemy of libertarianism.

            Both groups speak well of libertarianism every fucking day....but we should reject them for the feminists who have never given anything but spit and bile towards libertarians?

            1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

              C'mon, Corn, Feminist sexbots and feminist whores should definitely be all up on our cocks, baby. Wait, streets jumped on this shit and got all NYC on me... like fucking C for Corning. We play on the same side, sweet bozz. Feminism has some queens but fuck me they are rare like fucking Socolada.

  14. SIV   10 years ago

    I think she might actually be a libertarian.

    Disqualifier right there.

    1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

      Qualifiers dis shit. this is what they do, SIV.

  15. straffinrun   10 years ago

    Talking to a couple high school kids today. One Korean, one Japanese. They had no idea of what happened in Oregon. When I told them, they asked if that is why Obama was angry. The meme spreads round the world. Obama is angry. Why? Who cares, he's projecting strength.

    1. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

      You know, *some* H&R commenters would have read your first two sentences and taken the conversation to a weird place.

      Just so you know, I totally reject those sorts of jokes. Tasteless.

  16. Rhywun   10 years ago

    he's projecting strength

    I thought that was what the Wookiee was for.

    1. AlmightyJB   10 years ago

      Obama won't pull your arms out of their sockets if he loses

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

        Let the Wookie win.

    2. straffinrun   10 years ago

      As in affirmative action?

  17. SusanM   10 years ago

    OT: From the land of killer bunnies: Grow up, Cobber!

    http://www.smh.com.au/business.....jztja.html

    The US is too immature a society to be allowed to play with guns. It has never shed its Wild West mythology. Americans still use their courts to kill people, which sends a message in its own way. Read The New Yorker's account of the Rodricus Crawford case and see a state that thinks taking a life is a no big deal. It's a country that values property more than life.

    Unlike the US, we collectively decided to have a decent social safety net, the concept of a living wage and make good education freely available. Most of us are wary of those with extreme views of any kind. Inherent scepticism about church and state turns out to be not such a bad thing.

    1. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

      Unlike Australia, the US is at war with itself, strongly divided on racial, religious, political and social lines.

      Fuck you. Australians still use terms like "wog" and "abo" in their daily parlance. For example, when describing fatal shootings that occur in their major cities.

    2. Rhywun   10 years ago

      we collectively decided to have a decent social safety net

      "Decent"? I think you can a do a little better than that, if you collectively put your minds together.

    3. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

      I once aspired to be an Australian in a dream I forgot. I also thought that traveling to Australia would be great for like one second. I watch a documentary on Australia and I am happy to not be there. I watch like all these tv shows showing some restaurants and crap about the great awesome restaurants in Australia and I remembered sort of thinking the show was decent and then I remembered not a single desire to go to those restaurants. I also have watched tons of surfer crap about how great that wave village is and I watch all the dudes do their thing and the points and crap and then I forget that fucking asshole island and eat toast with cheese on it. And i guess Australia is also known for killing guns and resurrecting humongous lizards that eat lots of children. So, Australia is an awesome place to camp if you are a ghost. Fuck that shitty island. For real.

    4. Sevo   10 years ago

      "...Inherent scepticism about church and state turns out to be not such a bad thing."

      Except you have zero skepticism regarding the state; you're lying.

  18. PapayaSF   10 years ago

    Maybe the best Craigslist "Missed Connection" ever.

    1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

      Insights and book bindings.

    2. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

      Good story.

    3. SIV   10 years ago

      I picture her reading this, tearing up a bit, clicking "like" on facebook, with absolutely no recognition or memory that it was her.

      1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

        I pictured sweet papaya posting these living letters.

    4. Notorious UGCC   10 years ago

      Amazing if true. Very moving even if it's just a short story.

      1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

        You are such a sensitive soul you could easily prose a deeply moving arrangement of lines.

      2. SIV   10 years ago

        The best short fiction on the internet today is written by Crabspirits

        (The fictional story follows the brief introduction of the real life main character)

  19. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    I also am pondering the reality that people who kill piles of humans and gun owners are not the same thing. I think this America is riddled with idiots who can't seem to figure shit out like that. Like I don't have to buy pussy right now. I have never purchased pussy because I get tons of pussy and tits but if my wife was killed and I became super depressed at 50 and I needed pussy and I am a kind and rich gentleman that shaved his balls and worked out and shit and had biceps that would punk ass some melons and crap... I would say fuck all the divorce's and their fucking male issues... I will pay 300 for an hour with a sweet lady I jumped some hoops for. Until I found that rare gem of a female that actually wasn't an actual normal American female- like the one that was killed. But no disrespect to my purchased pussy. But I also understand in as much as I purchase I am a logistic in that game and for that I think governance can fuck my asshole with their motherfucking rotten brain stems....

    FUCK government. FUCK it all to goddamn shit hell.

  20. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    I am also in the market for aliens. I am waiting for some wise bitch ass fucking fuck to create a universe app that beams into the light years. I will be the first universelist customer. I am actively seeking aliens for their sandwiches and booze and drugs and pussy mainly... Just like 4 things... I'm just hanging out here waiting for the goddamn hovering lights above my oaks and shit but ... so it goes.. tech it seems has a wavelength and time dropkicks all this shit from time to times.. and shit.

  21. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    I would love for some enterprising fuck to make a bike path that goes to the moon. Maybe some hostels in the clouds and then above the ozone and then floating hostels. is it possible to ride a bike to the moon? i insist that this be possible somehow somewhere.... is there a moon we can bike to? I don't bike ever. anywhere. I just like the idea of biking to the moon. I don't have to be a motherfucking biker to come up with ideas for wheels you whores. I rode a bike once in 1994. But if I could bike to the moon I would actually but a bike for that. Just fucking being right up honest as fuck, punkass hellhounds.

  22. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    In the swerving contraptions of postings and reflections some souls die on a night. And time runs out on certain letters. peak moniker. maybe. dried out moniker. mines collapse and kill men. threads collapse and kill months and years of clacks... time is no uplift. beauty is time is about time and nothing else and time is time whether peering over the gray bow of a listing ship in the eye of storms or the casual look in the light of the moon while perusing sweet rock. but some thoughts pass on forever.

  23. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    When one slices into a living heart what can the knife reveal? That someone was murdered or saved for making another breathe.

  24. Heroic Mulatto   10 years ago

    Because this thread sucks, I have to pull out the big guns.

    I present the full movie in which a yellow dinosaur vigilante busts up a child pornography ring.

    You think I'm joking?

    1. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

      Fucking Mulatto sucks cock so deep I can't even cum right now. fuck you and me and the goddamn world fucking cock suckers.

    2. Hyperion   10 years ago

      I really don't want to know.

    3. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

      I guess it would be a kindness if
      heroic left.
      or, maybe Q or Cyto or Almanian or
      Crusty
      slipped away and perhaps SIV, or the piles
      of voices....
      the reason threads in 2015 late found new voices...
      the letters danced and I'm sure reason would be gleeful
      and shit so

      some monikers disappear forever.
      they post for years and then end
      and new times roll on and those monikers
      roll on....

    4. GILMORE?   10 years ago

      You didn't say anything about the kids and the dinosaur performing "My Body's Mine-Mine-Mine" on stage at the end.

      I'm going to need some time to deal with this.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

        I am distraught as well. I was not prepared for this.

      2. Francisco d'Anconia   10 years ago

        And that song is stuck in my nugget.

      3. Corning   10 years ago

        The back up singer was wearing Dr. Martens crews....

        !!!!!!90's!!!!!!!!

    5. Irish ?s ESB   10 years ago

      I can't even masturbate to this.

      1. SIV   10 years ago

        Homo

    6. Sevens   10 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQnNH7I07RY

  25. Agile Cyborg   10 years ago

    If you trip in front of royalty why should you feel so small?
    If you fail in front of Jeff Bezos should you feel small? Because Jeff Bezos is super fantastic and the most amazingly undiscovered species of shitty dick ever evolved.
    If you can't make another little piece of plastic fit inside of another piece of plastic for a billionaire that made Apple phones great so when you are paid pennies why shouldn't you take an ak-47 and blow the brains of that billionaire out? I don't know Pancho, people make things fucked up that odd planes strangle planes on.

    1. Hyperion   10 years ago

      Just remember, it was me who saved you from those 42 man eating Ohio river bullheads. I was able to stun 30 of them with my anti-bullhead stun ray. Just so you know.

  26. Hyperion   10 years ago

    Why does it matter. It's all about the patriarchy. Men are to blame, women are victims. It's about empowering women. It's about rape culture. The sooner we can make everything illegal, the sooner we can move the country forward, we have to move the country forward. Progress, why would anyone be against progress? For the children. How could anyone be against the children?

    1. Sevens   10 years ago

      Why do men play along?

  27. Austrian Anarchy   10 years ago

    So who is credited in the cover photo anyway?

    1. Sevens   10 years ago

      Seconded.

      1. Austrian Anarchy   10 years ago

        The rabble deserves an answer!

  28. Sevens   10 years ago

    Yeah, this is nuts. (By the way, the weather is better inside, too.) A lot of utilitarian stuff (bargaining chips) and paternalism. I'd be interested in the official calculus of that.

    Does the sex offender registry, as publicly accessible, outline what actually occured? Otherwise I'd feel like female sex offenders most likely didn't do anything worth punishing, while male sex offenders quite possibly did. No chance to individuate, in the face of the overbroad definition. Applying the broad understanding of sex discrimination, that'd be a case, "structurally". Regardless, such a lack of information conflicts with allowing third parties to make reasonable - rather than worst case - decisions for themselves, and also disadvantages numerous registered "sex offenders", given the spectrum of offenses captured.

  29. sharonphillips   10 years ago

    I make up to $90 an hour working from my home. My story is that I quit working at Walmart to work online and with a little effort I easily bring in around $40h to $86h? Someone was good to me by sharing this link with me, so now i am hoping i could help someone else out there by sharing this link... Try it, you won't regret it!......

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  30. B1B   10 years ago

    Agreed, although I sympathize with the people who are challenged with making this distinction at a practical level in very, very complex individual and broader situations. Tons of grey area to say the least.

    Let's start by putting the resources wasted to fight prostitution into fighting actual sex trafficking and similar victimization. Why isn't that the real feminist dream? Or is it?

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