Election 2016

Did the Trump Party Hijack the Tea Party?

Glenn Beck, Rand Paul, and others with TP cred sure seem to think so

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On Tuesday, mercurial broadcast populist Glenn Beck, a frequent and welcome face at Tea Party events since the rise of that anti-government group in 2009, said this about Donald Trump's supporters:

The media's making this look like [they are] Tea Party people. I don't think these are Tea Party people who are following him. Some of them may be, but I think these — I mean, you can't — if you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat, because this guy is offering you many of the same things, as shallow as the same way. If you said to me that it bothered you about his past, you said to me, 'Hey, what about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright? What about what he's done here, here, and here?' You're not bothered by this guy, and it's exactly the same thing.

Bolding mine, to emphasize the oh-no-he-di-unt! (Over at Hot Air, Allahpundit points out that Beck said very similar things in December 2011 about Tea Party support for Newt Gingrich.) The Blaze auteur also said Tuesday that Trump "scares the hell out of me," reminds him of "what a dictator says," and basically is a harbinger of an awful American future "if we don't stop this right now." So he's just not that into him, it seems.

Beck is not the only one with TP cred making similar laments. Outspoken (read: very funny) GOP strategist Rick Wilson has a piece in today's Daily Beast titled "How the Tea Party Got Hijacked by Trump's Troll Party." Excerpt:

So who comprises the Troll Party? Some of them are a distaff faction of the Tea Party, angry that the leadership in Washington doesn't pursue their agenda with the bloody-mindedness and tempo they demand. Many are angry that the GOP lost to Barack Obama twice and, in their minds, allowed through action or inaction a set of economic, social, and cultural changes that make them feel powerless. For them, supporting Trump feels like rebellion. They crave a sense of agency in the face of a political culture in D.C. that they believe loathes and disregards them. […]

For all their professed adoration of the Constitution, the mutant Tea Party element now supporting Trump seems entirely willing to toss it aside. When Trump jokes about "having immediate elections… let's just vote today like they do in other countries," the same people cheering themselves hoarse would be in a rabid frenzy if Obama or Hillary Clinton said it, joking or not. Troll Partiers love all the parts of the Constitution, except the ones noted legal scholar Donald Trump decides can be cast aside. […]

Nothing is more important to them than Trump as an avatar for their rage. They've become a fun house mirror version of everything we once mocked Obama supporters for being: cultish, immune to facts, swift to attack apostates, glassy-eyed and swaying as if the Great Man was going to lead them to the Kool-Aid troughs in the hot Guyana sun. They've become like Scientologists, only more fanatical, more vengeful, more sealed in a hermetic political domain where nothing matters but fury, acting out, and punishing the unbelievers.

It goes on like that.

And unsurprisingly, distant GOP contender Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has been singing a similar tune, here to Glenn Beck last week:

Paul said Wednesday that "nothing" that rival Donald Trump is for "is what the Tea Party was about." […]

"I think to me the most offensive of the positions that he's taken isn't that he was for Obamacare before he was against it, or that he's for higher taxes or the government stimulus," Paul said. "It probably is this notion of private property. Most of his business deals have been predicated upon asking government to take land from other people."

It's kind of amazing to remember that, as the Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger pointed out yesterday on a Fox Business Network panel I was on, the disruptive Tea Party already produced three candidates in this race: Paul, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). Each ran an insurgent campaign against the GOP's preferred candidate, each stressed cutting government in the face of Republican fecklessness in D.C., each brought an injection of youthful vigor and impatience into the hoary House of McConnell.

But their flavors of anti-establishmentarianism–with Cruz chasing the Trump insurgency, Rubio veering toward the Establishment, and Paul making the lonely case for libertarianism–have so far failed to catch fire in 2015. One big subtheme of tonight's debate will be whether the original stalwarts of the Tea Party can wrestle back that label and some of its associated support from the man who has gobbled up the grassroots oxygen so far in this campaign.

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  1. This just in – people who are repeatedly shit upon eventually get really mad.

    1. Well that explains #Blacklivesmatter

      1. He said “upon”, not “on themselves”.

    2. people who are repeatedly shit upon eventually get really mad

      Only when we get charged double for it.

      1. What’s a Clevland Steamer going for now a days CJ?

    3. And those supporting Trump apparently get really, really, stupid. If you’re angry because the GOP leadership is shitting on you by throwing out constitutionalism, fiscal restraint and limited government, and your answer is to back Donald Trump, you’re not thinking things through very much.

      1. According to ClarkHat, the thought process is something like, “We’re going to have a progressive president no matter what, so at least with Trump we’ll get one the elites don’t like.”

        It seems…retarded.

        1. Well, I don’t think the elites particularly care for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, either…

          Or shouldn’t I give the Trumpelos any ideas?

          1. But al-Bakr isn’t a progressive, and they know the US will only ever elect a progressive president. Or something.

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  2. The tea party hijacked the tea party.

    1. This is accurate. It may have started as something relatively pure in purpose, but it quickly turned into a populist uprising.

      1. I think we can narrow down to when Michelle Bachmann proclaimed herself the head of the tea party in Congress, and then spouted something about gays, and how we should double the military budget while slashing taxes.

      2. I’ve compared the fight over the Tea Party “brand” (its migration from the Santelli-born fiscal movement to the anti-establishmentarian guerilla politics movement to the current ‘Murican Whig Party) to the Bolshevik-Menshevik brawls in the old urban soviets ?I do the same over the current fascination with many on the Right (particularly Trump supporters) declaring who is and who isn’t a TRUE Conservative. I’ve gotten called RINO enough times that it’s become my game to point the coalitional nature of American political parties, and particularly the post-war Goldwater-Nixon-Reagan fusionist axis to rile folks up by literally owning the term and logically proving that they’re one too (it’s like dealing with the Marxists in grad school who’ve only encountered Das Kapital via Hobsbawm footnotes)…

  3. The husband of a dear friend is very much a Trump fan (the only one I personally know), and his support is entirely predicated on the fact that Trump pisses off the right people. Full stop.

    He did acknowledge that he was being emotional, that most of what Trump says is utter bullshit, but that didn’t give him pause. “Trump’s a smart guy and will do the right thing when he gets into office” – the right thing being, of course, “giving liberals conniptions”.

    1. “Trump’s a smart guy and will do the right thing when he gets into office”

      Your friend’s husband is a fool.

      1. The Twist: His dear friend is his wife!

      2. Yet he is a senior programmer working for Goddard Spaceflight and has done some very impressive things in keeping the probes he works with flying.

        1. I know accomplished Mormon scientists. Technical prowess is not a good indicator of rational thought.

          1. “Technical prowess is not a good indicator of rational thought.’

            HURR DURR ONLY STEM DEGREES MAKE THINK GOOD

          2. Science isn’t just technical prowess, though. A better explanation is that people can compartmentalize their thinking. Some beliefs they think about, others they don’t really. And plenty of Mormons aren’t particularly religious, they just like their families.

            1. The Donald’s not Mormon, but he seems to REALLY like his daughter. NTTAWWT

          3. Speaker- Hello, newcomers, and welcome. Can everybody hear me? [taps the mic a few times] Hello? Can everybuh-? Okay. [the crowd quiets down] Uh, I’m the hell director. Uh, it looks like we have about 8,615 of you newbies today, and for those of you who are a little confused, uh, you are dead, and this is hell, so, abandon all hope and uh yada yada yada. Uh, we are now going to start the orientation process, which will last about-

            Man- Hey, wait a minute, I shouldn’t be here. I was a totally strict and devout Protestant! I thought we went to heaven!

            Hell director- Yes, well I’m afraid you were wrong.

            Soldier- I was a practicing Jehovah’s Witness.

            Hell director- Uh, you picked the wrong religion as well.

            Another man- Well, who was right? Who gets into heaven?

            Hell director- I’m afraid it was the Mormons. Yes, the Mormons were the correct answer.

            Crowd- [disappointed] Awww.

    2. The husband of a dear friend is very much a Trump fan (the only one I personally know), and his support is entirely predicated on the fact that Trump pisses off the right people. Full stop.

      While I wouldn’t call myself a “fan”, I am experiencing some serious schadenfreude in regards to Trump. Talk about yummy tears!

      1. Me too. I won’t be voting for him, but I’m enjoying the hell out of this.

    3. Pretty much my dads point of view, he just wants to see the gop and democrats heads explode.

  4. I didn’t know Mike Ehrmantraut from Breaking Bad is a political commentator.

    1. I thought Bryan Cranston’s character killed him at the park?

      Sheesh – guy has 9 lives…

      1. He got killed off in Beverly Hills Cop too.

  5. CNN definitely wants you to believe Trump has Tea Party support. Of course, it doesn’t help that who the fuck ever knew what the TP really was, or that it seems they were always a bunch of crazies. For example, Katrina Pierson. I only know her because she’s on TV for hours every day now as a Trump surrogate, but apparently she’s a longtime TP-er from Texas who consulted on Ted Cruz’s Senate campaign and unsuccessfully primary-challenged Peter Sessions. She has crazy, crazy eyes, and apparently also collected $11k in unemployment while Cruz was describing her as an “utterly fearless conservative” during their campaigns.

    I guess I’m saying the Tea Party was always a piece of shit.

    1. If they were focused exclusively on Taxed Enough Already they would have been better.

      1. Yep. Then the radio talking heads projected themselves into it and it became basically meaningless.

      2. Unfortunately, most of those people were there because they didn’t like how tax money was being spent. They wanted lower taxes, not taxation eliminated; they wanted the taxes spent on good stuff, not bad stuff. And their idea of good stuff included welfare programs like medicare and social security, and national parks, and buying F-35’s.

        There’s a sort of horrifying parallel evolution going on between politicians and the society the politicians parasitize. The politicians shape the expectations of the members of society, and in turn, those members support the politicians who best feed their prejudices and beliefs.

        1. Well put, tarran.

          I was initially excited by the Tea Party, but enough of the movement became about “spend money on our shit, not their shit” that my interest fizzled. I do think people who are or were involved are better primed for libertarian thought than most people who are engaged in mainstream politics.

        2. OMG. That was my in-laws bitching about how the National Parks used to be super awesome at the same time complaining that their Social Security was underfunded all these years. MOAR PARKS. MOAR SOCIAL SECURITY. MOAR WINNEBAGO.

    2. My friends tell me that the Tea Party is just a bunch of racist rednecks – I don’t think they’re spending time figuring out whether Trump fits in either.

      1. Well, yeah. If you don’t support Obama then you’re racist, and if you don’t support gun control then you’re a redneck.

        1. So…I’m a racist redneck? Sounds about right.

          1. Well, you’re in Florida. That’s a given.

    3. How many people do you know that have honestly considered their moral positions and thought thru the ramifications of them?

      The expectation that the electorate would vote with anything more than their reptilian brain stem is a false one. It seems a great number of people just want to be part of a WINNING team, principles be damned.

      1. It seems a great number of people just want to be part of a WINNING team, principles be damned.

        How many times have you heard people say “I’d like to vote for so-and-so, but they have no chance of winning”?

        1. Are we just talking about this board?

          1. No. In general.

            1. I have been exhorted to not throw away my vote so many times that I cannot count them.

              1. Same here. My response is that a lesser of two evils is still evil, so I will vote for neither. I caved into the hype an election or two back, and chose to vote against what I perceived to be the greater of the two evils. I felt dirty afterwards. Won’t do it again.

              2. Any Republican who needs my vote to win Texas is not going to win the Presidency.

                I feel safe throwing away my vote on whichever felon the libertarians have put on the ballot.

          2. I work with a mix of ultra-conservatives and ultra-liberals. I often hear them lament that they have to vote for a more centrist candidate because the one they like has no chance of winning.

            1. It’s an amazing ego that thinks that one vote will be the difference.

      2. It seems a great number of people just want to be part of a WINNING team, principles be damned.

        Explains the Yankees, Real Madrid, Manchester United, etc.

        1. The beloved NE Patriots.

        2. Gah – I meant to say “the popularity of the Yankees” etc.

          I hate all the Man U shirts on people who couldn’t find England on a map.

          1. Quite possibly the gayest thing in existence is men wearing the sports jerseys of other men.

            1. Quite possibly the gayest thing in existence is men wearing the sports jerseys of other men Tom Cruise.

              1. Tom Cruise wearing a Brady jersey.

            2. I dunno but I do find it quite odd. Me!

              I’ll wear a cap and a scarf but I don’t do hero-worship.

    4. I guess I’m saying the Tea Party was always a piece of shit.

      Big bucket of sour grapes you’re consuming there.

      1. Because it’s…hard to get into the Tea Party?

        1. I realize you’re mostly clueless. Try to keep up, sweetheart.

      2. What? This is a messy use of idiom. I don’t remember Nicole ever being a big tea party supporter and I don’t think the Tea Party is restrictive enough to be “out of her reach”

        Also the point is you can’t eat the grapes, which is why you say they’re sour.

        One hot summer’s day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch. “Just the thing to quench my thirst,” quoth he. Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch. Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success. Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying: “I am sure they are sour.”

        Moral of Aesops Fable: It is easy to despise what you cannot get

        1. I don’t remember Nicole ever being a big tea party supporter

          She’s never called them a piece of shit before today. The idiom is perfectly valid.

    5. guess I’m saying the Tea Party was always a piece of shit.

      That’s a little harsh. I never really thought much about a group of folks who supported Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum end masse ( but claimed they were “different” than other Republicans) but there have been some really laudable tea party politicians (Rand Paul, Amash, and Cruz).

  6. Maddow does some useful reporting

    MSNBC host Rachel Maddow exposed the “veterans group” using an appearance by Donald Trump as a fundraiser on Tuesday as an apparent one-man organization.

    Trump’s appearance aboard the USS Iowa, she explained, was an event benefiting Veterans for a Strong America, with tickets ranging between $100 and $1,000.

    However, Maddow said, the Federal Election Commission filings for the group’s PAC reveal that, besides having only $30 cash in hand and $318 in debts, the organization’s only member is founder Joel Arends.

  7. The Tea Party was done before – the Know Nothing Party of the mid 19th Century. Trump is just the latest incarnation of it.

    1. Re: Peter Caca,

      The Tea Party was done before – the Know Nothing Party of the mid 19th Century.

      Were the Know Nothings also saying “Fuck you! Cut Spending!” too?

      I don’t think so. Nativism is something that predates the TP, ever since trade unions were fighting against immigrants from abroad. Most economic fallacies own their perennial nature to trade unions and their political cronies.

    2. Had to make up for your insight earlier with a heaping helping of Derp, didn’t you Sriek?

  8. It’s kind of amazing to remember that, as the Wall Street Journal’s Daniel Henninger pointed out yesterday on a Fox Business Network panel I was on, the disruptive Tea Party already produced three candidates in this race: Paul, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

    “It’s kind of amazing to remember because I’ve been absent-minded of late.”

    Oh, those figures of speech!

  9. The TEA Party was hijacked by the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh long before Trump came on the scene.

    1. +1

      This is the beginning of the Tea Party.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcvSjKCU_Zo

  10. “If you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat.”

    —-Glenn Beck

    I don’t know if Donald Trump is co-opting the Tea Party, but I know Glenn Beck sounds an awful lot like a progressive there.

    Incidentally, I remember when Glenn Beck co-opted the Tea Party. The Tea Party was about opposition to TARP. The Tea Party was about opposition to ObamaCare. The Tea Party was about opposition to Bush Administration era spending by the establishment Republicans, which is why it arose outside of the Republican Party.

    People like Genn Beck co-opted it, and it turned into something else. I don’t know what the Tea Party stands for anymore, but if it stands for anything at all, I hope it stands for not being browbeaten by people like Glenn Beck.

    1. Beck totally co-opted the TP folks, but I thought what Beck is quoted as saying here is calling out people who were TPers and now supporting Trump; that to claim to be for the TP, while supporting Trump, would imply that your opposition to Obama wasn’t about what Obama was doing, but about who Obama was. I’m not sure Beck’s off-base if that was the case.

    2. I don’t know what the Tea Party stands for anymore

      This. So much. I rarely wade into this discussion any more, because what I think of “Tea Party” is my aunt and uncle, in their 70’s, who were opposed to TARP (as was I) and thought taxes were too high and being misspent (as do I).

      And then the co-opting started (I peg it to Sarah Palin, but YMMV) and now….there is no “Tea Party” that I recognize at all. Just more factions gathering around different co-opters.

      Now we have Beck and Trump, as noted.

      Meaningless. There is no “Tea Party” any more in any meaningful sense of the term (to me). Again, YMMV.

    3. Re: Ken Shultz,

      I don’t know if Donald Trump is co-opting the Tea Party, but I know Glenn Beck sounds an awful lot like a progressive there.

      Beck is simply employing a purity standard. He believes that a true Tea Party person is against big government, taxes and spending regardless of who sits on the presidential chair, and based on that standard, he is arguing that the typical Trumpista is no different than an Obama-hater and thus cannot be a true TP member.

      The fact is that the Tea Party is a name used to designate many things: anti-taxation/anti-spending groups; conservative groups; nativist groups; you name it. No one can define the TP exactly.

    4. I don’t know if Donald Trump is co-opting the Tea Party, but I know Glenn Beck sounds an awful lot like a progressive there.

      I’m don’t agree. In context, Beck is saying that if you were a Tea Party person and supporting Donald Trump, you were lying. Honestly, I don’t think it’s possible to reconcile the notion of opposition to excessive spending, Obamacare, and cronyism and support for Donald Trump. But, as you say, those were the things that the Tea Party was ostensibly about. If you support Trump, it’s hard to say that you supported the Tea Party about those things.

    5. As if Beck telling Trump voters “You’re RACISS!” is going to get them to support someone else.

      People like Genn Beck co-opted it, and it turned into something else.

      Beck’s hypocrisy here is particularly delicious because he was more than happy to stoke Tea Party angst and cultivate their support to boost his ratings. Now that his news channel is going down the toilet he’s trying to salvage whatever speck of relevance he might have left by jumping on the Free Market SJW bandwagon.

      1. If Glenn Beck is now an SJW the term has lost all meaning.

        1. Yeah, Glenn Beck as a single Jewish woman? The classifieds need new abbrs.

    6. He is saying that if you were a Tea Party person, and now support Trump, then you weren’t actually supporting Tea Party policies. You probably just hated black people, because Trump is the white version of Obama.

      1. He’s mimicking precisely what the progressives have been say about the Tea Party.

        It isn’t right when the progressives say it, and it isn’t right when this hypocritical jackass says it either.

        1. I don’t care for Beck much, but you’re not understanding what he’s saying. He’s not talking about the Tea Party as a whole, he’s talking about people who claimed to be Tea Partiers and are now supporting Trump. Read the entire passage – he’s saying these people aren’t even real Tea Partiers, he’s not calling the Tea Party as a whole racist and unprincipled.

          1. I understand exactly what he’s saying. Do you understand what I’m saying?

            He’s echoing progressive critics of the Tea Party in a hypocritical attempt to try to bully and embarrass them into coming back to principles he himself bullied them into abandoning in the first place.

            If the Tea Party abandoned its principles, it’s because of people like Glenn Beck.

            Fuck Glenn Beck. If I wouldn’t take that shit coming from a progressive, why would I take it coming from Glenn Beck?

            If progressives had stayed up all night trying to think of a good way to derail the Tea Party from their core principles, they could hardly have come up with something better than people like Glenn Beck.

            1. You don’t understand what he’s saying, because you repeatedly don’t get that he’s criticizing a certain subset of self-identified Tea Partiers, not the Tea Party itself.

              Again, reread what he said:

              “The media’s making this look like [they are] Tea Party people. I don’t think these are Tea Party people who are following him. Some of them may be, but I think these ? I mean, you can’t ? if you were a Tea Party person, then you were lying. You were lying. It was about Barack Obama being black. It was about him being a Democrat, because this guy is offering you many of the same things, as shallow as the same way.”

              He’s saying that Trump supporters largely aren’t Tea Partiers, and that the ones who do identify as such are liars who really only did so for racial and/or partisan reasons. He’s making no claim about the Tea Party in general. Again, Beck can go fuck himself, but he isn’t arguing here what you think he’s arguing. And I don’t give a shit what progressives think one way or the other. A claim is true or not on its own merit. The progressive accusation that the Tea Party as a whole only cared about Obama’s race was/is obviously false, but that doesn’t mean the opposite claim that there weren’t people in it who did (not to mention many more who only cared about his party, which was another component of the accusation Beck made that you’re ignoring) is/was true.

        2. That’s not what it seems to me, Ken. Progressives say that the Tea Parties only have a problem with Obama’s policies because he’s black. They ignore the possibility that Tea Partiers might object to Mr. Obama’s policies in and of themselves. Beck is saying that, if you support Trump’s policies, there’s no reason for you to object to Mr. Obama’s policies, that they’re essentially the same, or at least Mr. Trump’s policies have a lot more in common with Mr. Obama’s than what the Tea Parties ostensibly claimed to be about. Maybe you disagree with assessment. But, I think the two claims are distinctly different.

          1. ^This

    7. The problem I have here is that, listening to this clip as Breitbart.com cuts it, it starts deliberately at a spot that SOUNDS problematic (questionable on whether Beck is saying this himself or saying that the media is saying it; to say it himself is very contrary to anything he’s said before about that movement). And the page with the audio clip has no links on it to TheBlaze.com or anywhere else (usually, every story on Breitbart.com is festooned with hyperlinks). Given how Breitbart.com has basically become Trump2016.com rather than an actual press site over the past two months, I’m honestly wondering to what degree this is meant as a pre-debate hit.

      And yes, the Tea Party began as a reaction to spending and regulation. The name itself admits that ?the movement, remember, was originally a series of protests and such (meant as a public 21st century version of colonial activism against the Stamp Act, post-Seven Year War excises, and the like). The move to get specific candidates elected came later, when the GOP didn’t follow through on defeating the regulatory moves of Obama-Reid-Pelosi (and that fed into candidates seeking the ‘brand’ of the Tea Party as a grassroots counterweight to other Republican power bases, which led to the grassroots themselves fighting over determining their own power base and being commandeered in many cases, since it was never meant as an institution or group).

    8. Honestly I think it was the Tea Party that co-opt Glenn Beck. Before the movement started Beck was a CNN Conservative who wrinkled his nose at guys like Ron Paul. Now he’s a self-proclaimed libertarian who quotes Judge Andrew Napolitano.

      As for calling Trump Supporters racists…..

      I agree that this is a standard tactic used by Progressives to discredit their opponents. However, Beck is correct when he calls out these so-called Tea Partiers for supporting Mr. Big Government/Crony Capitalist Donald Trump when they hate Barack Obama with a passion for supposedly the same Big Government/Crony Capitalism. I agree, most of them are not racists. They’re hypocrites, who frankly deserved to be called out, just like we call out any conservative who was okay with Medicare Part D, the Bush Stimulus, and TARP, but hates Obama for the ACA, and the Stimulus package.

  11. After conducting hours and hours of research, I have come to the conclusion that Matt Welch is not very fond of Donald Trump. In fact, I could go as far to say that Matt Welch thinks Donald Trump is a jerk.

    1. After doing about ten seconds of research, I’ve confirmed Welch’s findings. Donald Trump is a jerk.

    2. There’s no sugarcoating it – Matt does not entirely see eye to eye with The Donald

    3. But do you have pictures of sexy Eastern European Olympians? Otherwise, I care not for what you say.

  12. Here’s what I know about Trup,he wants to close the border abd hunt downd 11 million people,end free trade,spend more on the military,raise taxes,and threaten any country that he doesn’t like.Then you have Bernie the Sanders,much higher taxes,no free trade,close the border,free shit for every one. If these two would end up as the fae of their parties this countries doomed.

    1. BTW,Of who do these men remind you?

      1. Laurel and Hardy?

    2. BTW,Of who do these men remind you?

  13. Beck barfed up such a word salad there, I can’t tell if he’s saying that Tea Partiers were always lying about not being racist xenophobic bigoted nativists, or anyone who is a racist xenophobic, etc. who claimed to be a Tea Partier is lying.

    1. He’s talking about Trump supporters who claim to be Tea Partiers

  14. I still think the person with the most Tea Party support is Ted Cruz. They turned on Rubio over immigration and Rand Paul because he backed McConnell for reelection.

    If roughly 30% support Trump (and I highly doubt it’s that much because polling is unreliable) that means 70% don’t. If the field starts to thin out I don’t think he’ll maintain those numbers.

    1. They turned on Rubio over immigration

      So what you’re saying is that Tea Party people aren’t big on open borders even if they aren’t voting for Trump? Seems to be a common thread.

  15. Matt Welch,

    You want to break a story?

    Here’s one I’ve been thinking about for a long time. Years ago, on This American Life, there was a guy who told a story about a commercial real estate industry mogul. This guy claimed he was threatened by the real estate mogul, and the thing is, the victim of this intimidation wouldn’t say exactly who the mogul was, but whenever he mimicked the mogul in telling the story, he did an impersonation of the way Donald Trump talks.

    “Act Four. There Go The Neighbor Hoods.
    Jim O’grady

    It’s the mid-’90s, and I’m living out in a beach bungalow. And I look out the window one day and I see three large men in black suits and shades standing in front of a Lincoln Town Car doing this. And I know right away they’re there to do one of three things, beat me up, kill me, or more likely, make me think that they’re there to beat me up or kill me.

    So I flash back right away to the week before where I had bumped into [BLEEP] in the local diner. And seeing me had reminded him that the day before I had been on the local news insulting him. So he raised his slicked head from his steak and eggs and he said to me, “You should remember that I can have you taken care of.” And there was something in the way he said taken care of that I knew he didn’t mean it tenderly.

    http://www.thisamericanlife.or…..transcript

    1. I wonder why somebody doesn’t call up that guy and ask him to confirm on the record whether it was Donald Trump that hired a bunch of goombahs to stand outside his pad and intimidate him for criticizing him on the news.

      Wouldn’t that make for a big story?

      1. That’s a classy move, so that would fit with the Donald’s MO. Cause he’s classy and a winner. And this guy is a loser. That face? You want that to be the face of your developer? That’s the face of a LOSER.

        But I like him – I’ve spoken to him – he’s a good guy.

        /Trump Neg

      2. Those are his Neanderthal posse. After having countless Twitter battles with them, I’ve label them the “NeanderTrumps”.

        “Ugggh, Broud Good!” (scratches balls, farts)

  16. The tea party ceased to be anything coherent the second people like Beck and Sarah Palin jumped in front of that parade.

    In 2009 and 2010 it was a real thing. it was about spending. it was about Obama using the financial crisis to create a debt-funded gravy train for shitty public sector unions and badly mismanaged state budgets. They showed their actual presence by forcing out GOP incumbents in the 2010 midterms.

    The “Tea Party” people they replaced them with were anti-establishment, fiscal conservatives. Not bible beating, “Terrorist-fear-mongering”, Immigrant bashing conservatives.

    By 2012, however, everything associated with the brand had been co-opted by every jackass with a microphone. When Beck did his…what was it called rally in DC…. that was when it ended. Everything since then is so much bullshit pandering to the idea that the Regular GOP is somehow New and Improved when it isn’t.

    1. I wonder if something else could have happened to the TEA party between 2010&2012;? Something that could’ve scared some of the original people off and left an easily manipulated shell behind.

      1. Likely not. these types of grassroots movements attract a wide pool, and as time passes the originating focus devolves to the lowest common denominator… which in this case is basically, ” HURR DURR MESSICANS” and “You tell them librals whatfor!”

        1. No, I think the answer is “definitely.’ The IRS and dropping the hammer on any and all organizations who they thought might be TPish had a pretty significant impact, IMO.

  17. I am sure he has not given an actual answer, but what is Donald Trump’s stance on the most important issue of our time?

    1. I think his answer was “Fetuses should self abort”.

    2. Deep dish isn’t pizza.

      The dress is blue and black.

      Gays should be able to buy pants.

      …Or something like that.

    3. If an x-wing fighter can take down a death star, then the question of whether the Millennium Falcon could beat the Enterprise is moot.

      1. “Proton torpedos don’t burn hot enough to burn through quadranium steel!” #CoverUp

    4. Cecil was asking for it.

  18. Robert Reich cries foul

    Meanwhile, U.S. News relegates to lower rankings public universities that admit most of the young Americans from poor families who attend college, and which graduate far larger percentages of teachers, social workers, legal aide attorneys, community organizers, and public servants than do the private elite colleges.

    ———–

    In an era when income and wealth are more concentrated at the top than in living memory ? much of it in the hands of Wall Street bankers, corporate executives, and their retainers ? U.S. News has become a major enabler of American inequality.

    Not fair.
    Boo hoo.

    1. Reich just drips of loser. Everything he says and does is loser talk. Loser.

    2. And as if educational excellence could be measured by the size of the wallets supporting it.

      Great. Can we stop guaranteeing all of those loans now?

      1. Only after we stop funding government primary and secondary schools.

        1. But if the govt doesn’t fund schools, then how will there be schools?

          Why do you hate children?

    3. Has he not noticed what percentage of teachers and social workers are complete morons?

    4. “A family name engraved in marble on such a campus confers unparalleled prestige.”

      So sayeth the graduate of Dartmouth and Yale and Chancellor’s Professor of Public Policy at the Richard and Rhonda Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California. Perhaps that doesn’t count since it isn’t chiseled into marble.

      For such a small man, he sure is full of chutzpah.

  19. For those interested Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has been writing about Trump and argues that Trump is using some sort of NLP. Trigger warning, he has been posting more on Trump than Reaon has.

    http://blog.dilbert.com/

    1. I read his first few posts on Trump and I think he’s largely correct about his assessment, but grew tired of it, especially now that he’s pushing this “Master Wizard” meme. It’s obnoxious.

      1. That said, he could be correct about his prediction regarding Trump being the next president. It really depends on whether there are enough conservatives who care about the issues and whether they can agree on an alternative candidate.

      2. Adams has gone a little nuts in the last year. Don’t know if his wife dumping him is cause or effect.

    2. Thanks for the link; it was intriguing. However, anytime anyone in any way lends credence to negging or pua behavior, or uses the term “alpha” we become a dumber society. Being interesting, confident and respectful just don’t cut it anymore, apparently.

      1. *head butts Crusty*

        ALPHA!!!

        1. According to Dr. Heroic Mulatto, PUA expert, you’re going to have to mount him to show dominance. This headbutting won’t do.

          *Gets popcorn and 55 gallon drum of lube*

          I’ll just be over here while you take care of that.

          1. I’m not one to defy HM.

            *drags Crusty of by leg*

          2. In my experience, urinating on a defeated foe is adequate to show my dominance. But, hey, to each his own, right?

      2. Stop being a fag, Crusty

  20. Trump is using some sort of NLP

    NLP?
    Is that some sort of mass hypnosis technique?
    Because you know who else…

  21. Soooooo that’s what Rick Wilson looks like. This funny looking man with big ears – and whose verbal zingers exploded Ann Coulter’s head.

    Rick Wilson is my hero. I am going to build a statue in honor of the Great Willtini. And I will offer another blond bimbo upon the statue of His Greatness.

  22. What’s scary is we’ve come this far down the populist road, wait until the economic bubble bursts. Hardline-ism is about a half decade around the corner. I predict it will be around for the better part of two decades, whichever side seizes – left or right. And this is from the “glass half full” side of my mind. I try not to think too much of the “glass half empty” side; I tend to visit MRE and portable solar power generator sites.

  23. When you’ve extended your loyalty and support to those that ultimately stab you in the back, you look for a new champion to support.
    HiJacking had nothing to do with it……the GOP threw that support away with their usual disdain.

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