Trump as Political Pick-Up Artist: The Donald is "Negging" His Rivals Brilliantly
The billionaire's insult-laced patter is straight outta a scurrilous dating scene.
At some point during Donald Trump's long disquisition last night on politics, the American Dream, border walls, his renovation of the Old Post Office building in D.C., and so much more, I'm sure I went into oxygen debt.
But I also think I stumbled upon one of his secrets to success: He's "negging" his rivals and, in many ways, the Republican electorate.
Negging refers to a tactic used by self-styled pick-up artists and it revolves around first insulting a woman and then following up with a compliment (it is apparently a core concept of the pick-up artist's bible, The Game). The effect, supposedly, allows shlumpy men to bat far above their average when it comes to scoring with the opposite sex.
From a New Statesman description of it:
Negging, as it is called, is in essence a trick. The idea is to undermine a woman's confidence by making backhanded or snide remarks – give a compliment with one hand, and take away with the other. It is about control, putting the man in charge of the interaction by pushing the woman to earn his approval….
Here are a few lines that women I interview have had used on them. "You look amazing. What have you done?" "If your face was as good as your legs I'd have to marry you." "Nice eyes – even though one is bigger than the other." "How brave of you to wear an outfit like that," and even: "You have a great body. Are you bulimic?" (The last interviewee adds that she was, at the time, bulimic.)
I first came across negging while watching the second season of HBO's Silicon Valley. At a certain point, the startup at the center of the show, Pied Piper, is trying to raise venture capital and figure out how to work toward an eventual IPO. One of the characters in the show, Ehrlich Bachmann, realizes that investors are low-balling the value of Pied Piper during negotiations. He says they are effectively negging the compay and he decides to reverse the energy by "negotiating with hostility and rudenss."
Which pretty much sums up Donald Trump, going back at least to The Art of the Deal.
Trump has a seemingly super-human ability to suck up all the O2 not just in the room he's in but every place he's connecting to via TV, the phone, or the Internet. Last night, he spoke off the cuff for well over an hour and his shtick was like classic talk radio. It was also a microcosm of his campaign presence so far. Again and again, he tossed out hostile invective that he would then subsequently minimize. For instance, he spent almost as much time talking about how much he loves the "Mexican people" as how badly we need to build a "real" wall to keep those people out of the country. He picked on his GOP rivals and his Democratic rivals, and he was forever citing unnamed people that he talked to "just the other day" whose travails and situations just happened to prove his point about the need for trade barriers, strong leadership, or whatever.
In all, he was like that know-it-all uncle you see a couple of times a year at the holidays: self-aggrandizing and a serial bullshitter about his own success and wealth; a brassy opinion about everything; certitude usually reserved for generals about to lead the charge of the Light Brigade or economists discoursing on their preferred policy to change everything; repetitive about his own past (I'm curious if Wharton is happy that the Donald can't go 10 minutes without invoking his alma mater); and finally, a dispenser of patently phony compliments to his rivals.
It's that last rhetorical flourish that got me thinking. Trump is forever insulting people and then complimenting them. Indeed, this pattern has been front and center since he first announced. Recall what he said about Mexicans:
They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
Then there's this on Ben Carson:
Ben is a nice man, but when you're negotiating against China and you're negotiating against these Japanese guys that are going to come against you in waves, and they think we're all a bunch of jerks 'cause our leaders are so stupid and so incompetent and so inept, we need people that are really smart, that have tremendous deal-making skills and that have great, great energy.
When Bernie Sanders got pushed off the stage by Black Lives Matter activists, Trump averred that he "felt bad for the guy" and praised the Vermont senator for "getting the biggest crowds" among Democrats. But he also insisted repeatedly that Sanders was "weak" and "disgusting."
When he mocked John McCain's war experience, he declared that the former POW is "not a war hero….He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured." Without apologizing for those comments, he softened the blow by allowing, "If somebody's a prisoner, I consider them a war hero."
You can see a similar pattern in most of his yammerings. Last night, he castigated Hillary Clinton as the worst secretary of state ever even as he has praised her husband as the "best" president of his lifetime. Back in 2013, he said he was going to support Hillary Clinton in 2016, assuming she didn't die of old age first.
If he's not following what Scott Adams has dubbed "linguistic kill-shots" with vague, insincere compliments, then he's just leaving his targets to bleed out. Hence, he's dubbed Jeb Bush as "low-energy" and called Carly Fiorina as just this side of a gorgon. As Rolling Stone captured his patter at an event after the first GOP debate:
"They had 24 million people [at the debate the other night].?.?.?.?Do you think they were there for?.?.?.?Rand Paul? Rand, I've had you up to here!" He touches his armpit, zinging the vertically challenged Paul: "He didn't like it when I said you have to pass an IQ test to get up on the stage." Then he pivoted to Carly Fiorina. "Carly was a little nasty to me — be careful, Carly! Be careful! But I can't say anything to her because she's a woman.?.?.?.?I promised that I wouldn't say that she ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground. I said I wouldn't say it! That her stock value tanked. That she laid off tens of thousands of people, and she got viciously fired. I said I will not say that. And that she then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer, and?.?.?.?lost in a landslide. And I said, 'I. Will. Not. Say. That!'?"
According to the New Statesman writeup of negging, the technique ironically works best on attractive, thoughtful people who are open to acknowledging the limits of their talents and appeal. One "pick-up artist" tells the Statesman,
"Yes, of course it works," Dan tells me. "I like to think of it like currency: every insult increases the value of my compliment stock - which I then choose to spent wisely at maximum value and the most opportune moment for maximum effect to make my acquisition."
Both practitioners and critics of negging grant that it works on people "still seeking love and approval at all costs from the world, from their substitute father figure, or from themselves" and folks with "low self-esteem."
Precisely how any of that translates into a political context is anybody's guess, but there seems to be little question that Trump is pushing voters and rivals alike to "earn his approval." Nobody wants to be on the end of his withering declarations of just who is a "loser" or not.
Ted Cruz, who invited Trump to the anti-Iran Deal rally he held last week in D.C., has essentially sworn off critizing the billionaire. And Scott Walker could barely wait to follow Trump's lead in demonizing immigrants and birthright citizenship. Bill Kristol of The Weekly Standard initially announced that Trump was saying "some useful things" and then distanced himself slightly by saying the Donald "had jumped the shark" and we had reached "peak Trump." Most recently, he has sworn to back a third-party candidate if Trump wins the GOP nomination. But as The New Republic sees it, Kristol "keeps returning to Donald Trump."
Whether America writ large is so desperate for esteem in a socio-economic-political context remains to be seen. On the eve of the second GOP debate, he's doing just great in polls of likely Republican voters and he does well, too, in matchups against Hillary Clinton.
Are we that sad as a country that we really are ready to be lead by a know-nothing blowhard who expertly and strategically mixes insults and compliments like some pimple-faced pick-up artist cruising closing-time at a bar? I doubt it, though perhaps Republican voters are that desperate. Going back to 1992, the GOP has only won the presidential popular vote once, (in 2004) and the party of Lincoln seems desperate for a win. What the GOP is digging at the moment, though, doesn't necessarily work with the country writ large. The most recent poll from the Washington Post/ABC News finds large majorities of Republicans believing Trump to be qualified for office (64 percent to 35 percent) and trustworthy (60 percent to 35 percent). Those percentages are almost exactly reversed when it comes to non-Republicans.
Like that blowhard, know-it-all relative you seen a few times a year, it's tough as hell to take Trump on a regular basis. The first few minutes of any given interaction can be good for a few laughs and arguments. But once you realize he actually is as superficial and full of shit as he seems, well, you start reaching for the booze or heading for the doors pretty fast. There are still 10 GOP primary debates to go and there's simply no way that Donald Trump will be standing at the end of it all. The eventual Republican nominee may well be less than inspiring, but it's not going to be Trump, either.
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Donald Trump is running for president, you say? This is the first I'm hearing about this!
By the time you're done hearing about it, you'll be tired of all the WINNING
Charlie knows all about winning. Oh, he does. Much more than Trump.
Tiger. Blood.
who is donald trump?
Nephew of noted scientist and collaborater of Dr Robert Van de Graaf, Dr. John Trump.
I was going to say that! So instead:
You know who else gave bombastic speeches and insulted his rivals?
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Nobody wants to be on the end of his withering declarations of just who is a "loser" or not.
Nobody wants to the audience member who the clown squirts with his flower.
Jared: I'll go find some hos to prioritize behind you.
Erlich: Are you trying to say bros before hos?
Jared: It's sexist, but it's about friendship.
This guy fucks!
"If you keep screaming your name, it forces the assailant to acknowledge you as a human."
"It looks like he's sucking a dick, and he's got another dick tucked behind his ear for later"
"Let Blaine Die" on silicon valley had to be the funniest bit I watched all year.
Also, I learned recently that the actor playing Guilfoyle also played Bill Haverchuck on Freaks and Geeks.
Yeah, that was one of the best characters from that show. I'm glad he finally got another prominent role in something
He is fantastic as Guilfoyle. The interaction between him and Dinesh is one of the highlights of the show.
did you ever watch Party Down?
I haven't but I've heard it recommended
Strength: threesome with Gina and her hot mom (?)
Weakness: People wear T-shirts with Blaine's face on them
Opportunity: Blaine's organs harvested for hot girls with cancer, who then gratitude fuck us
Threat: After this, nothing is ever as much fun again
But I also think I stumbled upon one of his secrets to success...
Nick,
Chateau Heartiste has been around for at least 5 years. He was posting another 5 years before that under another name, but I don't off-hand recall that.
Nick is always the last to know. He still thinks all the kids listen to Boomer-music.
Kids these days just don't rebel like they used to
I bet most of 'em don't even have a bitchin' leather jacket!
It was Roissy. Did we ever find out why he changed names?
Speaking of Chateau Heartsite, they did a mention of Nick's article.
And in case if his blog post is deleted. It's archived on Archive.is https://archive.is/iRxh4
Negging?
Jesus, I feel like I'm having an uncomfortable conversation with my parents about what the cool kids are doing these days.
Protip: dick pics sent via Snapchat are NOT deleted forever.
Negging only works on dumb girls with low self-esteem. Oh, wait.
the negative takeaway is a powerful sales technique that I assume PUAs adapted for their own use. it's only been around forever.
No, it's an original observation first observed by culture-savvy Nick Gillespie.
no soup for you. 1 week.
Yep - first exposure I got to 'negging' was actually in an IBM Selling Course in the 80's; I think Neil Strauss was still wetting the bed back then (while Mystery *still* is).
That was a great scene. I also liked the part where he has to go back to the investor he negged, although I can't remember if that was the same or a later episode
Later episode, but they flashed back to his original insults.
As you can see from the examples, it's more usually a compliment followed up with an insult.
Great observation, Nicole. Too bad your timing sucks.
Leave her alone, Epi. She's pretty smart considering she went to school in Canada.
That's funny, Hugh. Unfortunately it's only partially correct, but I suppose that's what I should expect from you.
You're quick with the jokes, Epi. That might get you out of the friendzone one day.
The true part is the part about being pretty, right???
Sure, Nicole. Whatever makes you feel less fat.
Compliment trolling, Nikki? You really are the worst.
They have schools in Canada?
They do, but they have to import all their history from America.
What are they gonna do when President Walker builds a wall on the border?
Epi's just practicing his negging technique on Nicole.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how'd it work, Nicole?
Good call, you stupid fuck.
Am I doing it right?
Meh. Just stand there and look cute. You're good at that, at least.
You got it backwards, fucking dipshit. But you tried and you are cute.
Stupid call, you good fuck.
Fuck stupid, you good call.
Fuck me, you stupid whore.
Am I doin it rite?
For someone who is the worst, that was pretty good.
I can't believe negging works. If somebody insulted me, I'd have no interest in continuing a conversation with them. Who would?
Girls with low self-esteem.
Good reference. Too bad it's from a substandard show. Kind of unsurprising you like it, though.
I get that you all like to pile on Nikki, but there are some jokes that go too far.
You seem like a good kid. Too bad you have no taste.
If you say so, Cytotoxic.
Yeah, you're pretty insecure I can see how that wouldn't work on you.
It's how you pick up the klassy females of your species as opposed to those prattling little bags of nonsense out of Plant City that you cavort with.
I like to slum in Ybor myself.
Oh really? I've been known to hangout at Bad Monkey occasionally
I was eating at the Spaghetti Warehouse on Ybor City once. I drank some iced tea a little too quickly, and passed out. The idiot waitress said I was having a seizure, and I had to endure an EKG and two MRIs as a result.
Vasavargal Tachycardia, they eventually said.
That is a truly bizarre story.
I used to go to the old Columbia, SC location with my grandparents. I didn't know they were still around.
It probably works. It probably even works even when the person is aware of it. I think it basically comes down to charisma. A sufficiently charismatic dude or dudette will just come off as a funny, interesting jerk and it won't seem like a deliberate tactic. Deliberate tactics and "lines" in social situations just seem desperate and icky.
The rationale is that it's not sufficiently biting to outrage you. The idea is to hit one of your insecurities just hard enough for you to appreciate the subsequent compliment and feel that the instigator values you despite "knowing" you're not perfect.
It's quite entertaining to see this stuff "in the wild", along with seeing just how epiclly(?) it fails most of the time.
I would need to see a successful in the wild example. Then again I've known plenty of women who lose their damn mind over douche bags and pussy whipped betas so my opinion of the Human race may need calibrating.
Your use of the term 'betas' indicates a pretty dismal opinion of all humans.
I picked it up here. Maybe I'm using it wrong. I took it to mean weak willed men.
I picked it up here.
I learned it from YOU, Hugh! I learned it from YOU!!!
*runs off crying*
Like in a Huxley kind of way? Or something far more superficial but no less sinister?
Who knew a gamma like you could be so handsome?
Watch it Jesse, you sexy idiot!
/has no idea how to neg
Feel free to stand around looking pretty since negging clearly isn't your strong suit.
I found having deep green eyes helps with the ladies. I attribute 90 percent of my success to that alone.
Deep green you say?
*stares deeply*
Go on...
This was pretty much my college experience.
So, apart from your gorgeous green eyes, what's so special about you?
I can fake genuine interest pretty well.
A door-buster trait seems very useful. Subtle charisma and a mastery of oral sex don't get you very far in a crowded bar.
Too young to remember Studio 54 then, Jesse?
Too young to remember Studio 54 then, Jesse?
Aren't we all?
I've seen it work. The subject would react with smiling shock, like "How dare you say that?" but an equal mix of intrigue, as in "I've got to get to know this person more." It usually ended with sex.
I'm impressed with your observations. Did you watch from the closet?
The only closet I hang out in is yours.
There's always room for one more ass in my glass closet.
"Shut up! It's Daddy, you shithead! Where's my bourbon? Can't you fucking remember anything?"
It doesn't work on all women, just the ones with low self-esteem and daddy issues. Lots of attractive women are insecure and desperate for male approval.
just the ones with low self-esteem and daddy issues.
So, club chicks?
BINGO!
Hey, wait...
Well that is still a significant portion of the bell curve
I'm not a practical or theoretical expert on the issue, but I've seen otherwise quite 'stable' women fall for it.
It's a "circus trick" really. It does nothing other than demonstrate that you're different; which appears to be one of the underlying (yet unspoken) principles of pickup. Differentiation. Once everyone uses the same "tricks", it loses its effectiveness.
I notice stable is in scare quotes...
Military Intelligence
Social Justice
....
you get the idea.
"I can't believe negging works."
It doesn't. Compliments don't work either, though. You're better off not talking at all and hope she thinks you're good looking. That's unlikely to work for most of us as well, but has better success rates than the previous two tactics.
Don't compliment or criticize. Talk about something unrelated to how she looks and interact with her as a person. Crazy, I know.
^^ obviously *either* a woman or "one of those PUA guys".
Women are usually acutely aware that their good looks are the result of the genetic lottery. It's the decisions they make about how they accessorize that they want complemented.
Not exactly. Something the PUA guys understand is that compliments alone don't make a girl like you. If she already likes you, then she wants to be complimented by you. What they get wrong is the idea that you have to insult her to get her to like you. That only works with some women.
Girls like compliments from guys they already like, but they're not all the same in what they like.
Unless you just want to get laid. In that case, just keep trying every gimmick in the book until you find someone dumb enough to go home with you.
I'm sure that if a desperate guy picked the right venue, using gimmicks would work eventually.
Except ...
The problem is that nowadays, many guys - no matter how desperate - just don't have the testicular fortitude to brazen it out and approach dozens of potential one-night-stands at a venue, because of the risk of rejection.
That's why a stuff like negging is so attractive as an idea. Put enough gimmicks together and create a workflow, and you have something that looks like a "Scientific Process". That's the ultimate draw of this for men who have little success. It's no different (and just as sad) as the ads for penis growth pills, St. John's Wort for weight loss and X-Ray glasses that look thru' womens' clothes.
Combine a "Blueprint for success" with flowcharts and "killer pickup lines" with a philosophy of "positive self improvement", and it's a powerful message to its target audience. Most of the more intelligent 'programs' openly admit that ultimately, the blueprints are a crutch that a "successful guy with women" will outgrow. Just like Dumbo's feather, it's an emotional prop to launch them out of their mom's basement.
It works, but not as well as this!
Certainly can't see it working for females! Why would they try?!
Nikki, your tits are so great that it almost makes up for how dumb you are. Was that a neg? Do we bang now?
Yes! You did it! So you're going to be swinging by with the rapevan later, right?
SWEEEEET! BUTTSEX HERE I COME
It's not a rape van! It's a spy van!
Precisely. It has a wizard on it!
I read that as rapevine and modified my frightening mental image of Mr. Warty by dressing said image in a leopard skin breechclout. Nightmares will follow.
That's some impressive negging for a lummox such as yourself.
Lummox???
*tries to ignore sudden inexplicable urge to try mansex*
Nice counter-neg from a self-proclaimed pear.
I'm impressed someone who doesn't know what "meta" means can nail a meta-neg with such aplomb, Los Doyers.
I've learned from the best, which says a lot about you.
You're doing it wrong. The proper response is "I've learned from the best, which says a lot absolutely nothing about you
I wouldn't expect much from Los Doyers. He's doing a fantastic job with what little he's got.
That, right there, was spot on. LD is now strangely aroused.
Both practitioners and critics of negging grant that it works on people "still seeking love and approval at all costs from the world, from their substitute father figure, or from themselves" and folks with "low self-esteem."
So pretty much all politicians, then?
"You don't sweat much for a fat girl."
So who is Trump trying to fuck?
America.
Dammit.
America.
Wouldn't have thought Ms. Ferrera was his type.
Hitler?
No no no! Almanian go sit in the corner; you're in timeout!
D--Denigrate Foreigners
O-Own Media Coverage
N-Neg your base
A-Accept lavish praise
L-Laugh at critics
D-Destroy Everyone
Although really, Trump is actually using Frank Reynold's SCRAPS system on America.
He's flashing a wad of cash and a magnum sized wall, thus demonstrating he has money and a metaphorically monster dong that'll keep the foreigners in line through intimidation.
"It's a very delicate ecosystem."
The name's Mantis, Mantis Taboggin MD.
"I've dropped my magnum sized condoms for my magnum sized dick"
The whole PUA thing is some kind of mental disorder, right? I mean, who gets off on that?
(Thread fail - this was not a reply to Moff)
Mostly the same kinds of weirdos who like to fuck women.
gross.
I know!
You know, just when I think you might not be the worst after all, you prove me wrong. Again.
"Mostly the same kinds of weirdos who like to fuck women."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n39RzgVNP8
Nicole's college experience
Really, really pathetic dudes. Ones who are so epically bad at interacting with women that anything, including this dreck, gives them a better success rate than just being themselves.
Ponder that.
Bob's Burgers really hit the nail on the head with the Prince of Persuasia character.
I'm thinking of being Bob for Halloween.
Well, in fairness, most guys who start doing that kind of thing do so *because* they've realized that they're shitty at interacting with women.
Sometimes, they've come to this realization as a direct result of living in a society that doesn't reward the behaviors their parents or other elders told them were right.
No, I'm not "Closet John", but (for better or worse) we live in a society where being a normal man with a desire to do the "right thing" is no longer sufficient to make a man interesting to many women, and should he ever try and "step up" in what was a more traditionally masculine manner, he'll be slapped down by a bunch of women and - if he is moderately unlucky - be reported to HR for "being creepy", and given that one very common way to find a partner, was to find it at the place where they worked, suddenly creates a far higher barrier to getting some action.
Be better-looking. It fixes most of those problems.
*nods in agreement*
Have more money. Be more interesting. Grow stronger.
All of these bullshit strategies are dumbassed attempts to fool women into thinking that you have something to offer them. It's much better to, you know, just have something to offer.
ASK DOCTOR WARTY
Doctor Warty, how do I get bitches and hos to fawn all over me?
Have you tried talking to them? And hitting them?
Why the fuck would you ask a honky?
Well, one key attractor really is *confidence*. So, you get into a meta-game where all that bullshit does nothing for the girl you're approaching, but pumps your confidence up thru' the roof.
Until she sprays you with mace and calls the cops.
Dude...you're way overthinking this. Just interact with women as people. Things tend to, shall we say, work out.
You mean, like this?
"A WeedEater and a live chicken"
These idiots have such terrible personalities that pretending to be an asshole actually improves them. Think about that.
Good point. Of course it's just rephrasing my point, so maybe not so good. Did you gain some weight?
YOU HAVE A TERRIBLE PERSONALITY
That's precisely what I said to your mom! Worked like a charm.
I think what Epi is trying to say is that Warty's mom has got it goin' on; she's all that he wants and he's waited for so long.
I think it's not "negging" as much as it is madness.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory
In truth, Reagan's administration was promoted the same way to America's allies.
The predominant 'message' during the Thatcher Years was that Reagan was both evil AND insane, and quite capable of hitting the launch button instead of the one that summoned the nurse.
Not impossible. But I think Trump really is trying to come off as completely nuts to make anyone reluctant to really criticize him.
So, Mission Accomplished then?
Nuke the moon. 2015 Redux. I can't believe I forgot to link to this on 9/11.
http://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm
OMFG I LOLed so hard! Thanks for sharing.
Given the man's talk, I think there's more to worry about Mr. Trump trying to "pick up" his daughter.
http://www.mediaite.com/online.....-daughter/
Who the hell is he trying to impress with that comment? Nah, I think I'd rather be blissfully ignorant..
"Who the hell is he trying to impress with that comment"
Clearly his sexy, sexy daughter. Are you even paying attention?
Trump has a seemingly super-human ability to suck up all the O2 not just in the room he's in but every place he's connecting to via TV, the phone, or the Internet.
Interesting article, Nick, but doesn't this require that one pay attention to Trump to observe this effect?
Triumph the insult comic dog's entire act was based on negging.
Nick's piece is okay.. for me to poop on.
Well, if you're into dogs...
"Hey Kathy Lee! I like your singing! I haven't heard notes like that since my mother was hit by a car!"
MOAR TRUMPZ!!!1!1111!!!
Personal observation:
In my lifelong quest to understand women by observing their interactions with other men, I noticed some interesting patterns.
One was women who repeatedly rolled their eyes at the douchey-ness of a particular guy, his falseness, hit bullshit bravado, his thinly veiled crude pickup lines, and then proceed to date him.
I remember watching a documentary about a young man who was both part con-man and (alleged) murderer. After getting some large sum of money (insurance from the victim? I can't remember) he was jet-setting around the world, bedding various young things while spending lavishly. When interviewed, 100% of the women he had been associated with claimed they saw his bullshit from a mile away. When asked if they went out with him, they all, without hesitation said, "Oh yeah!".
A few years later, a group of coworkers were shooting the breeze about doctors and inappropriate behavior in the workplace, and one woman went on an on about how a doctor had looked up her personal information in her medical file, and used it to call her and ask her on a date. She went on and on about how horrified and inappropriate the whole thing was.
Then one of the other women in the group (and I don't know why she thought to ask this, because at the time it never would have occurred to me): So, didja go out with him?
Without pause for a breath, the women responded, "Oh yea!".
My understanding of the opposite sex has only linearly diminished as I've aged.
If he had been a clerk instead of a doctor, though....
"We know what they are. We're just negotiating the price."
Case in point
I've happily bedded women whose personalities were beyond eye rolling vapid, because they were hot/attractive to me in some way.
Yeah but that's rational. I get what Paul is saying is that women have a different calculus for this kind of stuff that on its face seems irrational. He's right too.
meh, maybe. People are attracted to each other for a variety of reasons. The girls I hooked up were attractive enough for me to overcome their other deficiencies, but someone else could look at my actions as irrational.
I guess trying to codify human interaction is an exercise in failure. But if 60% of the time it works every time!
"Yeah but that's rational. "
citation needed
People are idiots when it comes to sex and attraction. Both genders.
I got a girl's number once by promising to give her the best $6 date she'd ever had. We texted for a while and then she stopped responding. Not sure what went wrong.
So, she refused to spend the $6 to find out?
I guess?
Another time, I had a first date that I though went pretty well which ended with a promise of a second date. Then later she said she didn't have any time and stopped responding.
[Zoidberg voice]
What? Do I smell or something?
[sniffs self]
Ohhhh......
I can phone numbers and dates easily enough; second dates almost never.
*I can get, etc
That's perfectly ok. But were you an asshole to them as the preferred method of attracting them?
Probably have to ask them. I kind of just act like myself.
So, you *did* act like an asshole?
I believe *no* acting?
Don't be the discouraged, young Idle Hands (the name not honest be?)
There's a woman out there that will have sex with you, hell even love you.
Why? I have no idea. I don't think women have any idea. They are irrational, infuriating things that you spend alot of time and money trying to convince to treat you as a door mat.
But, damn, do they smell purty.
von Markovic is sort of a perfect example. Negging worked for him. Why? Because walking up to a girl and saying "I just farted" as a conversation starter would have worked for him.
Be handsome. Be attractive. Don't be unattractive.
Who's the chick in the photo?
[scribbles on notepad]
desirable...men...are...desirable
hmm, makes sense
The one that works for me is, "Hello, "Ma'am, I am billionaire Howard Hughes, and for your sake I would be happy to overcome my repugnance at human contact."
I haven't had as much luck with "hey, baby, now that you're here, this dark alleyway just got a lot brighter!"
If I told you you had a beautiful body, would your rub your tits against me?
No wait, that's not the right line...
If I could rearrange the alphabet, I'd put "u" and "I" together. And we could add your sister, too.
Who's a beautiful girl like you doing in a place like this?
Ooh, you're reading a book...I read one of those once...but I'd rather have sex, what do you think?
I'm tired of hanging around in bars and chatting up beautiful women...could I talk to you, instead?
Oooh, studying nuclear engineering, are you? How do you store all that information in your female brain?
Could you help me? This pick-up artist book says I should neg you, but I'm worried that I might go too far and offend you. So is there anything really sensitive that I can't joke about because it would turn you off? Besides your face, of course, that's obvious.
"I'm tired of hanging around in bars and chatting up beautiful women...could I talk to you, instead?"
I loled
Hi! Do you want to fuck, or do I owe you an apology?
" you're negotiating against these Japanese guys that are going to come against you in waves..."
Phrasing, Donald.
I always thought "Negging" was when the chick shoots you down. "Uhm, that's nice, maybe you can tell my boyfriend when he gets here"
re: the Donald's rhetorical technique....
from what i overheard last night, it seems like he repeats himself endlessly, and focuses everything on 'key words' like a low-rent Evangelical preacher.
"I was talking to this guy, i was talking to him, i said, "Jimmy....... Jimmy, you don't know anything about this Obama guy. He's not a bad person. He's *incompetent*. Incompetent! Not a bad person. Bad people don't try. He tries and fails! Incompetent. I told him this!! I told him over and over. Love the guy."
His speechmaking isn't so much 'storytelling' art, but snake-oil salesman.
His speechmaking isn't so much 'storytelling' art, but snake-oil salesman.
Simple relief sold in a digestible package is very popular right now.
You can get that at the pharmacy for $20.00 or at the ballot box for several trillion.
Nick, please stop writing about Trump. Please?
250 comments so far, this makes 251. Free markets: Giving the people what they want, good and hard!
This comment thread might well be my favorite on Reason so far.
You must have missed the Great OT Thread of 2015. Sadly, nothing remains.
It's ok, for a Trump thread.
My favorite threads are the ones that go off topic and we discuss food, alcohol or cinema...so pretty much they're all my favorite.
The most annoying type of men are the ones too eager to please. Negging shows, in a messed up way, that a guy is confident, or doesn't care whether he offends. If done in a playful way, I can see how it could be effective.
"I love your shoes, but, damn, you need a pedicure! You've got Fred Flintstone feet."
He could go on to say how he likes red (black, blue, whatever) nail polish on women's toes.
A little funny, not too offensive or personal.
"I love your kids, but holy shit, how irresponsible are you?"
".....asking me to babysit them even though I'm on the sex offender list"
"at least you're not worse than Nikki"
Um...let's see here...you look like a prostitute. Was that a neg? I'm terrible at this.
You could totes make that work for you, Warty
"I'm a prostitute if you're not a cop."
Well, an element of that is whether you *agree* that your feet need some attention. Which is where, I think, negging can fail, if the guy isn't very well calibrated; but then, that's true of all these "tricks".
Age has shown me that the worst possible thing that a man can do is put a woman on a pedestal if he wants any kind of meaningful relationship with her. If I was granted one wish, it'd be that I go wait another 20 years, and then have a chance to go back to when I was 20 for a little talk with myself to share my experience.
youth is wasted on the young.
Yes, there's a pickup line: "Youth is wasted on the young, baby, so waste it on me instead!"
"I love your shoes, but, damn, you need a pedicure! You've got Fred Flintstone feet."
That wouldn't work with me at all, but I'm not really into accessories. I'd just assume he's gay.
Then I'd probably retort that I'll get the pedicure if he pays for it
[fx: amused disdain]
[pause]
"Let's both go. Ugliest feet afterwards gets to pay for both."
[pause]
"Oh, I'm not gay, btw"
ok, touche
Confirming that putting you down would generally work. Irrespective of this general disposition, I'm surprised that you don't find the"jokular insult" too pathetic a joke or too distasteful an insult.
Negger, please
I find that annoying.
I think it's great you can catch on like that, what with your condition and all
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nailed it!
Fact: Trump, like all the rest of the candidates, is a scam artist.
Fact: there are no political solutions for _any_ problem; never have been, never will be- not even "Ron Paul", or "libertarian" solutions.
Fact: As long as you believe that political solutions really do exist, dear reader, you will remain firmly trapped inside "the Matrix"; i.e. exactly where the Obama's, Trumps, Sanders , Pauls, Reason-type magazines etc. want you to be:-)
Fact: the author of this article is just another in an endless stream of "inside the matrix" writers going their utmost to keep you firmly entrenched "inside the matrix" by encouraging/flattering yours and others here silly delusions of dreamed of political "solutions" to yours, or the country's, or the world's, problems, when in fact, there are none, can be none, and never have been any 🙂 .
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cool story, bro
Are you friends with Charles Hurst, author? Publisher of the Running Wolf e-zine and author of an offbeat novel on the coming apocalypse?
Do you have any opinions about WTC 7?
I know when I'm being negged. Fuck off, weirdo.
How do I get released from this Matrix? Does it involve a really comfy chair and a red pill? More importantly, will I get to meet Carrie Ann Moss?
YARRR, THAR BE NO EVIDENCE ANY BUILDINGS COLLAPSED, TIS ALL CGI AND WITCHCRAFT
onebornfree, should I wear a white shirt before sundown?
I believe it was Dave Barry who showed that a man's attractiveness consists of how closely he resembles Hugh Grant.
Hugh is that? And who is Dave Barry? (Sorry, I don't watch teevee...)
Here's a sample:
http://www.davebarry.com/gg/newyork.html
A shorter sample:
http://www.davebarry.com/misccol/poptarts.htm
For instance, he spent almost as much time talking about how much he loves the "Mexican people" as how badly we need to build a "real" wall to keep those people out of the country.
"I love Mexicans. In Mexico."
To conclude - the fact is that most of the regular contributors here are capable of hitting the ball out of the park when trying to attract potential partners.
The ability to interact in an intelligent, engaging way with other people is immensely powerful, and very hard to fake consistently.
Spontaneous, edgy humor is attractive too.
And the ability to communicate with genuine empathy is incredibly effective.
And that's why most PUAs and Politicians look so similar - neither group can achieve any of the above with any degree of authenticity.
The Dems and GOP are as convincing as a spider telling a fly not to "waste" its vote on integrity.
Democrats are dirty street fighters, republicans get cranky with out their silk hanky and observe marquis of queensbury rules. Trump has his own style and the people like it because he wins and we are tired of backing losers or winners that fold once in office.
A more intelligent summary than the article itself.
I for one am seriously considering hold off any future payments to Reason due to these continued and stupid Trump articles. We get it, you hate Trump !
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Reason has sunk to a new low resorting to calling Trump a negger.
Zing!
I wish I could give Trump as much credit as Nick. Could it be that the voting public is sooo sick of being beaten, shot, assetforfeited and jihaded by God's Own Party that none of its candidates--even young Paul as fake antiabortion counterfeit libertarian--does anything but make them spew?
So Trump is picked up by the machine much like a gutshot George Wallace in the 60s, or Ross Perot and John Anderson after the Nixon political campaign bribery clauses were added to the revenue act, as a disposable distraction. Trump looks and smells like chaff spewed out by an aircraft under fire--to distract voters from the existence of a Libertarian Party as a genuine alternative. The income tax passed when the socialists got 6% of the vote. It could be repealed by the LP getting 6%--but Trump-as-chaff distractions have to be overcome. Looters, of course, want those distractions to dominate the campaign as long as practicable before bidness as usual and honest graft.
I can't take anything in life seriously since trump.
Could've saved the trouble if you'd learned Robert Ringer's Ice Ball Theory.
Politics is largely about sales; actually a lot of human endeavors are. How do you get people to cooperate w you on anything?
Dating is basically a sale too. So why is this at all strange? Why should it be understood as particularly American either? I'm sure things like this go on in lots of democracies, & even in countries w non-democratic forms of politics, such as oligarchies.
By now I'm hoping Trump succeeds in the great upset (from the perspective of a few mos. ago) & gets elected. He'll probably wind up like most other elected officials. Won't be heaven, won't be hell. But meanwhile we'll all get a great lesson in persuasion. Since so much of life consists of persuading people, we should all pay att'n.
I'd say Trump's doing a lot more AMOGing and DHVing than negging. While the other candidates are crippled by their AA he's going direct. At any rate, polls show he's getting some serious IOIs. At this rate he could get a full close at the primaries.
"Are we that sad as a country that we really are ready to be lead by a know-nothing blowhard..." Nick Gillespie.
I say yes to that question Mr. Gillespie because twice over 50% of this country put our current hate-filled blowhard into office. In my view, the GOP is willing to put anyone in office who will stand up to the left and give them the same medicine they've been spouting to the GOP for nearly eight years.
I'm not a member of the GOP but even I am totally fed up with the hate filled nastiness coming from our current president.
Oh Lord help us, game tips from Fonzie.
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