University of Cincinnati Cop Ray Tensing Indicted in Murder of Samuel Dubose

Authorities play body cam video during press conference

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Ray Tensing, the University of Cincinnati police officer who shot and killed Samuel Dubose as the man drove away during a traffic stop over a missing front license plate, was indicted for murder today. The county prosecutor, Joe Deters said Tensing "purposely killed" Dubose in an "asinine" and "senseless" manner. Authorities say Tensing shot Dubose in the head as Dubose tried to drive away, with the county prosecutor saying it took "maybe a second" for Tensing to pull his gun and shoot. He played the body cam footage at the press conference announcing the indictment:

Tensing was reported to have sustained injuries when he fell after shooting his gun. His attorney, Stuart Mathews, who watched the body cam video, said earlier he did not believe his client should be indicted, and said the "political climate" might force an indictment. In preparation for the announcement, authorities closed the University of Cincinnati and state troopers were reported on campus. Ohio Governor John Kasich, also a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination, said he was "concerned about all our communities and all our urban areas" and that the state government was "as prepared as we can be."

Riots following a fatal police shooting in 2001 in Cincinnati led to a number of reforms in the following years. Tensing's murder indictment should not distract from the need for a continued focus on police reforms. Body camera footage helped secure an indictment, but releasing such video during an investigation is still controversial. A committee in Fairfax county, Virginia, set up after the shooting of an unarmed man standing at his door in 2013, recommended faster release of relevant footage as one communications-related reform, but authorities sometimes resist releasing footage during an investigation. Local establishment activists may agree—the Delaware NAACP criticized a local police department for releasing video of police brutality that helped secure an indictment against the cop involved, citing "tensions" in the community.

The prosecutor in this case called for the University of Cincinnati campus police to be disbanded. Residents of Cincinnati, Ohio, and around the country should ask whether policing their neighborhoods is something they want campus cops to do in general, and about what kinds of rules of engagement imposed on local cops. Today's indictment is a positive sign for accountability in this instance, as sustained attention to reforms that would prevent something like this in the future from happening  would be.

Comments

[sarcasmic]

Indicted doesn't mean convicted.

[commodious spittoon]

It doesn't mean paid to sit at home while the brass stonewall reporters and the worst of it blows over, either.

[thom]

Just the fact that prosecutors no longer automatically cover for the cops indicates some progress.

[J_West]

It will be interesting to see how libertarians react when they call 911 and the cops do not respond because they are afraid they will be thrown to the wolves by the prosecutors if they fire their weapon in the line of duty. In the wake of the recent Baltimore Riot, there was an apparent slowdown by their police department. Got your own guns locked and loaded? You might need them to defend yourself from that flashmob or home invader crew. Just hope you do not shoot any "unarmed" perpetrator, 'cause then you will be the one seeing the inside of a jail cell.

[Cytotoxic]

Hopefully 'the process' will provide some punishment.

[Spencer]

Disgusting. Horrible. This was plain murder.

[PBR Streetgang]

Word. That's not even a close call. Damn.

[Malvolio]

Actually, it was manslaughter. No premeditation, he just over-reacted to a criminal act on the part of the victim.

[Judge Chipper]

Bill: When you didn't come back, I naturally assumed that Lisa Wong or somebody else had killed you. Oh, and for the record, letting someone think that someone they love is dead when they're not is quite cruel. I mourned you for three months. And in the third month of mourning you, I tracked you down. Now, I wasn't trying to track you down. I was trying to track down the fucking assholes who I thought killed you. So, I find you. And what do I find? Not only are you not dead, you're getting married, to some fucking jerk, and you're pregnant. I... overreacted.
[long pause]
The Bride: You overreacted?

[Tionico]

does a campus cop have the rightful authority to enforce vehicle equipment violations on public streets? I doubt it. Thus his "contact" could not be an arrest. he may well have had no authority to detain in the first place, and our dead citizen may well have known that and been acting on that information.

[ClassicLib-NeverProg]

Premeditation is only required for 1st degree murder. I don't think that what the deceased did here could be considered "adequate provocation" to reduce this to voluntary manslaughter. For full disclosure I've never practiced in Ohio so I don't know if they have a weird system but in most states this would be second degree murder.

[Slocum]

It was. But what was really scary about it was that right up until he blew the guy's head off this cop wasn't acting like an authoritarian a-hole. He was actually pretty low-key and patient with a confused, non-cooperative driver. At 1:50 things are still normal. At 1:52, the copy yells, "Stop, stop!' At 1:55 the guy's got a bullet in his head. Crazy.

[Troy muy grande boner]

Obey, or die.

[William Pilgrim]

And there is no assurance that obeying stops the dying part. The Beast demands to be fed.

[Episiarch]

Note that we are at the point where we are rather surprised and thrilled that--and let me state this as plainly as possible--a police officer who shot someone in the head for not having a front license plate has actually been indicted for it in some way. Not convicted, just indicted, for cold blooded murder. And this is a victory for accountability.

Just think about that for a bit.

[Spencer]

I can't. My head will explode and I will have a rage stroke.

[Hicks]

And you would receive the same fine medical attention as the victim.

Nothing has upset me as much as the fact that withholding medical attention seems to be standard practice by most police departments. Even in war, they try to provide medical help to the enemy once they stop fighting and are captured.

Here they ignore the big hole in victim's head while focusing on cops scratches.

[Free Society]

I've just grown so accustomed to newspapers acting like justice has been served because a murdering cop was fired or lost a civil suit at tax payer expense.

[commodious spittoon]

I'm trying to stay as dispassionate as possible, just as justice should be. The fact is that cops are as much a political class as they are a civic instrument. It's unsurprising that a political class with so much clout have secured for themselves a great deal of deference from voters and from politicians. And what they've done with so much unalloyed political capital is dig out around themselves a deep, broad moat of public sentiment and filled it with authoritarian chauvinism. It's not like their mentality sprung up overnight, it's not like they're a race of red-eyed devils taken human form. It's all very methodical and predictable, which means it can be rolled back. And we're taking a few tentative steps in that direction. I hope.

[Free Society]

Well a certain amount of brutality and domination is a feature of the system. That said, only second and third world countries can rival the level of impunity that US cops enjoy. So it can indeed be rolled back, to a point.

[Cytotoxic]

I just don't understand why it's so much worse in (parts of?) American than Canada. Um...puotine makes better cops?

[Spencer]

Because it's too cold to harass people for 6 months out of the year. I wonder how weather patterns impact these murders. If cops are more willing to stay in the car when it's colder.

[EvilWayz]

I never wrote speeding tickets when it was raining.

[Free Society]

I just don't understand why it's so much worse in (parts of?) American than Canada. Um...puotine makes better cops?

Well borders demarcate different jurisdictions, they are not boundaries that necessarily denote different cultural values or social standards of conduct. Since the border seems to be the definitive aspect in comparing how to different LEO organizations conduct themselves, I think it's safe to conclude that it's a systemic problem within the jurisdiction in question. I assume that in Canada, and certainly elsewhere in the west, cops operate under a different legal environment, especially where it concerns their criminal liability for actions taken while wearing their costume.

[Limpee Wiltstock]

"I just don't understand why it's so much worse in (parts of?) American than Canada. Um...puotine makes better cops?"

I imagine that it's harder for the police in Canada to sustain the illusion of being part of a thin line between order and the ravaging hordes of anarchist potsmoking negro terrorist hippies than it is for USA LE. The authoritarian pukeheadedness isn't enough. One needs that extra bolster of total paranoia.

[Win Bear]

Maybe Canada works like Europe? In Europe, cops don't have to stop you, they can just mail you the ticket. Helps them make their quotas without such unpleasant interactions. Of course, you have even less of a chance disputing the ticket.

[Praveen R.]

These type of things may happen less in Canada. But their justice system can be cruel to victims in a different way. There is a ridiculous number of cases where a murderer gets such leniency, it is mind boggling. Google Zachary Turner.

[commodious spittoon]

I watched the clip and some of the reporting on CNN at the gym, and it occurred to me how easily this might swing in the opposite direction: rather than reforming how police interact with citizens, states or the feds will go full-retard and start passing Samuel's Laws or Walter's Laws, etc. What they'll contain is anyone's guess, but they'd be the product of political maneuvering, would possess wholly insubstantial reforms, might even boost the power of police to conceal their crimes, or would be completely meaningless flam about community sensitivity training. But they'll pass with popular support because they'll be Samuel's Law or Walter's Law or Rice's Law. And then nothing else will happen. Because the left gets its dander up, the right (in all probability) will play patron to the police unions, it becomes an obnoxious new front in the kulturwar, they pass some ungodly bastardization of public policy, and everyone moves on.

[Episiarch]

It's already happening. Since TEAM RED and TEAM BLUE have no other identity than to oppose each other (which is the essential definition and feature of KULTUR WAR), the left freaking out over racism in policing instead of overall police brutality will cause the right to automatically take an opposite position, which we see already. This guy was a thug! He threatened the officer! And so on.

KULTUR WAR is utterly despicable for many reasons, but the primary one is that it has absolutely nothing to do with morals, principles, or anything other than "I hate the other TEAM and will oppose them in every way". That's why when any issue becomes KULTUR WAR-ed, you can give up any hope of rationality. Because it's FULL RETARD now, and is no longer about what it was about. It's now about fighting with the other TEAM and nothing else.

[Episiarch]

The police are merely the legitimization--through the fiction of "rule of law"--of a top-level mafia/organized crime unit. They are mob goons who also have the imprimatur of "legality"; i.e. they get to do this shit to us because it's "in the law".

This is what government and "law" gets you: the natural state of humans, which is having a violent parasite class exploit the rest of us, but instead of most people recognizing them for what they are, they have created a fiction of legitimacy that deflects what would otherwise be overwhelming hatred and disapproval.

The law is a shell game, and guess who the suckers are in this game of Three Card Monty?

[toolkien]

Most people NEED some sort of super-ordinate entity to feel comforted. So they nest their well being what they've created. The problem is the parasites know this, will infest the whatever instrument created and you've got mafiosos on the one hand and a blinkered flock of sheep on the other who refuse to see what is happening. It's how we have troops stationed around the world, prisons stuffed to the rafters, rotten schools, crumbling roads, trillions in debt, massively underfunded entitlement programs, 24/7 surveillance, para-militarized police, breathtakingly brazen politicians, and the majority of the sheep have a smile on their face and are ready to march out for the next chance to fill in a circle or punch a chad or whatever. And then return rock bottom poll numbers. A rigid belief that THEIR top men are the right ones and will fulfill whatever romantic ideals they have created.

[Episiarch]

Sort of like an even dumber sunk cost fallacy.

[Warty]

Most people NEED some sort of super-ordinate entity to feel comforted.

You see this all the time. Without a government, people would run amok. Without God, morals are impossible. Evolution can't be real, a painting can't paint itself, after all. Thinking machines are impossible.

[Episiarch]

They want to be free from the responsibility of actually thinking about every interaction they have. Rules make things so much easier if you don't give a shit if they work or not.

[Cytotoxic]

Well, without government some people would run amok. Think of what would happen to blacks in 1950s Mississipi without the feds. Also, environmental problems. You can't be free without government.

[Warty]

Fuck off, child.

[Cytotoxic]

Someone's angry. That often happens when your most cherished convictions are revealed as being silly.

[Jay Dubya]

yes Im sure southern blacks in the 50's allthanked their lucky stars that they had the police to protect them. with their hoses and their dogs and their lynchings. imagine how dreadful things would have been without that good ol law and order.

[MichaelL]

Can that be a serious comment? Society seems to be changing, so far as hate and discrimination goes. Me and my children have gone far beyond my father's racism. He did not raise us that way. But, he really seems to be a rampant racist, now. My daughter married a black man. My niece has been in an inter-racial marriage for years. She is my twin brother's daughter.

Why do we need government to play favorites among competitors with all of the regulations that big corporations can swallow, yet mom and pops go under! Why do we need governments to enforce speed limits, not because of safety, but because they help pay for what taxes don't completely cover! Why do we need speed traps?! I bet there are a lot more instances that a good anarchist could tell you, as well. But, by answering this one question, you might enlighten us all. Why is it that when they hear "I'm from the government, and I am here to help", that it causes shivers to go down people's spines?! We have put too much trust in the government. They are revealing why we should not trust them with more, but less government.

[William Pilgrim]

Warty, you so funny with your medieval beliefs. We made God in our image, complete with morals that are essentially movable goal posts. Deal with it, dude.

[Warty]

Um...your mom?

[Episiarch]

No...YOUR mom.

[Free Society]

Not all "law". The absolute primacy of statutory law is a relatively recent innovation. Common law and forms of customary law arose (and will continue to arise) naturally outside of the auspices of political government under the right circumstances.

[Episiarch]

The more rigid the law is treated, the more power is gained by bureaucrats and those who enforce it (so cops as well). It is an inevitable feature of "law", which is merely trying to apply a simplified, one-size-fits-all rule system to incredibly complex and varied humans. The law is just creating D&D rules to apply to real life, as if that is even close to accurately representing real situations.

[Free Society]

It is an inevitable feature of "law", which is merely trying to apply a simplified, one-size-fits-all rule system to incredibly complex and varied humans.

You sound like you're describing statutory law, but that "inevitableness" falls miles short where it concerns more rational forms of law. Common law and other polycentric legal orders certainly don't conform to the "one size fits all" criterion.

[Episiarch]

You're actually describing "common law" as what I would call "custom". And yes, it is vastly preferable to rigid statutory law.

[Warty]

Isn't common law more or less just semi-codified customary law?

[Episiarch]

I suppose so. The major factor for me is: is the custom rigid? Or is it flexible? The more rigid something is, the more it can be used to increase the power of its enforcers, which is why bureaucrats LOVE rigid rules.

[Free Society]

A lot of basic laws, the ones that get near unanimous support, like laws against murder, theft and (actual) rape that we have on the books are codified common law. Other things like "ex post facto", or "habeas corpus" are common law innovations that were codified when they were put into the US Constitution. So in that way it's "semi-codified". But more generally common law is a sort of consensus-precedent system where courts, judges, jurists and/or juries aren't just looking to see if someone broke a law, they're looking to actually "discover the law" before you can see if it was broken.

For example, your average drug crime, like "possession of marijuana", would be nearly unenforceable in purely common law court proceedings because of the lack of any identifiable victim which is (or used to be) a necessary precursor to the existence of a crime. It takes a statute, a thing that has the force of law, to make those sorts "offenses" into crimes.

[Free Society]

Common law principles that were not put into the US Constitution or state constitutions can be overridden by a simple statutes. So if a provision about ex post facto had not written into the Constitution, there would have still remained an ex post facto protection in the common law courts (US federal courts, and state courts except Louisiana I think) up until the moment the legislature decides to pass an ex post facto law to retroactively punish someone with a simple majority vote. This is what I mean by the primacy of statutory law being a relatively recent innovation.

[Limpee Wiltstock]

Other features of old Germanic common law were that an act to be fundamentally wrong according to basic principles of some sort in order to be prosecuted and that an act that was clearly wrong but for which there was no precedent could be prosecuted. In either case, the question could be argued if both parties did not agree. At any rate, it was a different theory of law, one in which the law was taken as simply an enactment of the rational carrying forth of basic principles deriving from the nature of human existence. Statutory law, in contrast, originated with the Code of Justinian as the codification of the whims of some stumbling, demented god-king. This idea of law being something which could be legitimately invented with no basis in custom or reason by the sovereign because of some godgranted right of property over his subjects strangled along through the dark ages and ended up being taken up again and vigorously propagated by the viking "crusaders", along with all the other seeds of fascism.

[Hyperion]

Oh, come on, Epi. We're having a libertarian moment!

/Reason

[Cytotoxic]

Well, we are.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Whaddaya mean 'we', paleface?

[Cytotoxic]

Us. AmeriCanada.

[Citizen X]

Eww.

[Hyperion]

Isn't Canada only slightly less statist than Britain?

[Cytotoxic]

Canada is WAY better than Airstrip One. Gun laws here are better.

[Hyperion]

There is no AmeriCanada, fool. Now get off our lawn! I mean off our border!

[lap83]

-1 open border

[Hyperion]

You starting to think like me, that maybe that wall needs to go up on the northern border?

[Cytotoxic]

To keep out wildings and The Others?

[Rattlehead02]

Just The Others. The Wildlings, while maybe not conventionally attractive, look to be a fun bunch to hang out with.

[Cytotoxic]

I think things have been bad for a long time, but the internet and ubiquitous recording are just making it painfully clear and obvious. This is the first and hardest step towards a better world.

[sarcasmic]

Or a more desensitized one.

[Cytotoxic]

Desensitization occurs when watching violence that doesn't have a real 'meaning'. Like movie violence. That's not the case here.

[sarcasmic]

Like how cops are totally desensitized from the violence they commit every day because that violence has no real 'meaning'? Or how soldiers and others caught up in war become desensitized to violence because that violence has no real 'meaning'?

Your comment is just plain stupid.

[Cytotoxic]

No your comment is stupid, as usual. I am clearly talking about the people who aren't cops. Christ you are an obtuse twat. Also, are the cops and soldiers really 'desensitized'? Another assumption passed as argument on your part. Sarc SOP

[sarcasmic]

Well then, what about people who live in high crime areas? Are they not desensitized to violence? Does that violence not have real 'meaning'? What about those caught up in war who are not doing the actual fighting? Like refugees? Are they not desensitized to violence? Does that violence not have any real 'meaning'?

What about people who follow Reason? We take it for granted that cops are going to do shit like this. Is that not desensitization?

Real violence is just as desensitizing as violence without any real 'meaning'.

I'm not saying this just because I dislike you as a person. I'm saying it because you are wrong.

Though I know that you will dig in and defend yourself, knowing I am right, simply because you're a prideful ass who will not admit that someone you don't like is right.

[sarcasmic]

Also, are the cops and soldiers really 'desensitized'?

Yes. Talk to someone who kills and assaults people for a living. They are most definitely 'desensitized.'

[Cytotoxic]

Those people sound more vicious than 'desensitized'.

What about people who follow Reason? We take it for granted that cops are going to do shit like this. Is that not desensitization?

I see a thread full of outrage. That's not desensitization.

I think this is another case of 'you don't understand what the word you're using means'.

[Res ipsa loquitur]

I'm a Soldier and going to war, seeing death and some carnage actually produced the opposite effect on me. I came back appreciating life, loathing those in marble halls who speak lightly of war and destruction, and more open to life then ever before in my life.

However, I'm not a sociopath who wants to have power and control people which police profile personalities tend to favor. I could see how police and thugs feed of off the power, but I don't think they are actually becoming desensitized, I think they are in fact loving the power and violence.

[Judge Chipper]

We need more soldiers like you.

[Karl Hungus]

When we have a story where a cop murders someone in cold blood and is then immediately taken down by citizens on the scene, and those citizens are properly hailed as heroes, that's when we'll know that we have true police accountability.

[sarcasmic]

Yeah. Except that if/when a cop is taken down by citizens on the scene, the result will no doubt be a massacre as the responding officers fire upon anyone who doesn't show a badge.

[Cytotoxic]

With America's gun ownership rates that would be an attrition battle that they'd probably lose.

[sarcasmic]

Gun ownership doesn't equal willingness to use them on agents of the state.

[Cytotoxic]

Battle of Athens 2: Blood on the Bodycam

[Nick W B]

American gun ownership is something like 30%, and most gun owners aren't carrying their weapons as they are walking their dog down the street.

[Whahappan?]

Except the bikers did all the dying and the cops did all the shooting. Think about that. Biker gangs are less violent and more restrained than cops.

[Whahappan?]

Stupid squirrels. I hit reply to SRVolunteer below but it posted up here.

[Karl Hungus]

Yep, which is why we're a long way off from any real accountability. Like others have noted, this is a minor lurch in the right direction. But until the blue wall of whatever becomes a thing of the past, and cops willingly and eagerly turn in the criminals amongst their ranks, it's still going to be us-versus-them dynamic that we have now.

[SRVolunteer]

Maybe that's what happened to all those bikers.

[kinnath]

I can no longer watch any of the videos that Reason links on these posts. I can barely read the posts anymore.

[Episiarch]

I absolutely cannot watch the cold blooded murders any more. I just can't take it. The depraved sociopathic indifference with which these...monsters...kill people is too horrifying.

[sarcasmic]

The cop didn't kill the guy for not having a front license plate. He shot the guy for the same reason why everyone else is shot by the cops: failure to obey. The license plate was merely a pretense for creating a situation where the cop had an opportunity to issue orders. But the dead guy's crime was, as it always is, failure to obey. And I have no doubt that nothing else will happen.

[Arthur45]

It's the situation that is surprising - no one has ever seen nything likethis, I'll wager.It approaches the inane stupidity of many Black against Black shootings - over a pair of sneakers, for exmple.
We are surprised when white people act this stupidly.

[Cytotoxic]

Fuck off and go back to Stormfront.

[William Pilgrim]

Hear that, Cytotoxic.

[MichaelL]

My wife and I were discussing the situations surrounding many of these shootings. Why would anyone, using common sense, argue with a person that could shoot you dead, in an instant. Because, they did not like you disobeying them? As a white couple, we both say the same thing. We follow all of the orders and don't argue. Why should they be reminded that in going up against a cop, you are arguing with a man with a gun. The type of man who can escalate at any little thing one might say. (It happened to me once. But, I groveled, apologized, and deescalated, avoiding an arrest!)

But, if we white people(only getting speeding tickets) fear the police, why don't the black people?! You are getting into a gunfight, unarmed! Your life matter to us! Keep your mouth shut so you will be here to fight another day! Driving off from Barney Fife, resulted in this guy getting the only bullet Barney had, in the head! Being scared and living seems much more advantageous to the cause. I guess it gets down to living and continuing the fight, or dieing with its finality! In a few months, no one will remember these poor people's names!

There is no excuse. Things need to change. Until they do...black friends, and anyone else who disdains the authoritarians in our society, BE CAREFUL!

[Malvolio]

Let's dial it back. The license plate had nothing to do with it. The guy the cop stopped panicked, the cop panicked, and the cop shot him.

Clearly, the cop should do some time, but he ain't Jeffrey Dahlmer.

[Limpee Wiltstock]

I can see how the unprepared might panic when waylaid by a sociopathic hooligan who may turn any interaction into a pretext for theft or murder. The peace officer's reaction if anything demonstrates the reasonableness of a fearful response on part of the man. There's no way one can make the reverse argument, without first proposing the nation is beleaguered by dangerous anarchist black neohippies barely kept from the gates of Washington.

[JayWye]

that's a STUPID comment;
the guy was NOT "shot for not having a front plate",he got himself shot **for driving off** while the officer was trying to get him out of his car. Essentially,resisting arrest(or attempting to elude), same as the other dead fools.
Sheesh,if you don't have a front plate,take the ticket. Heck,you can probably fight that in court,claim it was stolen and you didn't know it.
Don't ARGUE with the officer,and if he tells you to step out of the vehicle,DO IT. The guy had an open liquor bottle in the car,the officer probably wanted to do a DUI check. THAT is probably why the idiot drove off. Arguing with an officer NEVER works.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

It's arguable whether a police officer has the authority to take you out of your car for a missing front plate. A Campus Cop certainly shouldn't.

[DenverJ]

Three points:
1. I couldn't tell if the bottle was open or not. Your video must be of stellar quality.
2. Since when can a cop open your car door during a routine traffic stop?
3. The future is a boot, stamping on your face, forever, and your answer is to lick that boot. Fuck off slave. The only opinions I respect are those of free men.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, he won't be convicted because the hero feared for his life or some shit, but this is a step in the right direction.

[Spencer]

the video made it much less keystone cops and much more horrible fucking murder.

[Just say Nikki]

Residents of Cincinnati, Ohio, and around the country should ask whether policing their neighborhoods is something they want campus cops to do in general, and about what kinds of rules of engagement imposed on local cops.

Oh that's just precious.

[Fist of Etiquette]

As long as the communities and not the universities get the revenue from the various fees and citations they collect, who's going to complain?

[SugarFree]

In Kentucky, the campus cops for state universities are a division of the Kentucky State police. They "patrol" off campus all the time.

[Episiarch]

No one cares what you do in your banana Appalachian republic, NutraSweet. Maybe if you spoke English and not Hillbilly we could understand better.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I thought they all carried shotguns and were deputized in Kentucky? Shoot revenuers on site. No?

[SugarFree]

Why, I just do not understand the hostility, sir. I have been but courteous to you.

[Episiarch]

No! Not the Colonel voice!

(falls to knees, grasping head)

[SugarFree]

Are you well, sir? Shall I send for assistance?

[Episiarch]

STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT

(wipes blood dripping from nosebleed)

[DenverJ]

Serves you right. Be glad he didn't offer you a Mint Tulip whilst you visited on the veranda.

[MichaelL]

I can understand why people in Kentucky dislike "Yankees"! I have lived both places. I am educated and do not understand why "smarter" people, from the north, can make themselves look so ignorant by spouting idiotic generalizations. I am glad that I know people from the north and the south. None, I know, approach the rude behavior I see on these pages. Grow up and travel. Mark Twain said it was good for getting rid of bigotry and prejudice. I think he was right!

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

And based upon the number of people who got robbed between campus and the off-campus lots at U of L, their idea of "patrol" was "start drinking early."

[SugarFree]

UK is not much better.

Of course, the idea that the campus cops are doing anything but writing traffic tickets is laughable.

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

This was the semester when I constantly peppered my con law professor with questions about whether I could take the magical sticker that said "No Guns Allowed" off the front door and use it as a shield on my nightly walk.

You know, in place of my 1911 that I had a concealed carry permit for.

[JayWye]

"Campus cops" these days are State-trained and sworn law officers same as any city or state cop,and this article does say the intersection was in campus jurisdiction. Some colleges are essentially small towns all on their own.

[DenverJ]

Sure, dude. Because an environment consisting of 18 to 21 yr old students should totally be turned over to a law enforcement agency to patrol, you know, instead of something pussy and weak on crime, like letting kids be kids and having the older students watch over the newer kids.
Just because that system worked for hundreds of yrs is no reason not to turn minor housekeeping disagreements over to people whose entire world view is based on strict adherence to the law.
Hell, why not have Solomon cut your baby in half?

[kinnath]

I met a girl who sang the blues. And I asked her for some happy news. But she just smiled and turned away.

[Spencer]

I can't remember if I cried
When I read about his widowed bride
But something touched me deep inside

[Adans smith]

The day,the music,Died

[Free Society]

You can dance if you want to...

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

But if you don't dance then you're no friend of mine...

[Spencer]

well, fuck you then, pal.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I'm not your pal, fwend!

[Episiarch]

You know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was.

[Mad Scientist]

It's not so bad if you aren't afflicted with boneitis.

[Free Society]

You know, that dance wasn't as safe as they said it was.

Who can forget the Alcala discothek catastrophe of '83? As one despondent club goer famously said in the 911 call "I was dancing, [incomprehensible], the safety dance... the safety dance, I left my friends behind."

[Free Society]

University of Cincinnati Cop Ray Tensing Indicted in Murder of Samuel Dubose

Samuel Dubose withdrew consent.

[AlgerHiss]

As usual, another bit of mayhem that began with a chicken-crap traffic stop: Never, ever trust a traffic cop.

As well, don't forget those animals Old One Eye and his buddy Ramos out west murdered that homeless fellow and were found not guilty.

[DenverJ]

You know, Reason will let you use profanity. "Chicken crap" makes you sound like an old man trying to outsmart 90's era filters.
Just say "Chicken shit."
It's more honest, and doesn't make it seem like you just cut and pasted a comment you made on the Washington Post .

[Adans smith]

And still no word on the Rice shooting in Cleveland.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

#BLACKLIVESMATTER

[black blood]

Hmmm, gotta say that UC police patrolling off campus has drastically reduced crime in what was once the least safe campus area in the United States, and this isolated incident leading to the president of UC (who is ACTUALLY named Santa, like the fat elf) withdrawing his police from non campus areas is absurd and dangerous.

Can't wait to see UC to go back to the top of least safe campuses in America.

[SugarFree]

Please don't feed the troll, everyone.

[black blood]

Do you know anything about Cincinnati?

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Bootsy Collins is from there? Skyline Chili is big there? It's a shithole?

Other than that....

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Sorry, SF 🙁 I couldn't resist....

[SugarFree]

It's OK, Al. I wasn't going to feed him anymore anyway.

[black blood]

It's a great city. If other American cities had police forces as responsible as ours, we wouldn't have these issues. This guy is a murderer. That doesn't make the UC police force or CPD for that matter responsible in whole for his actions. Furthermore, he was indicted and our attorney general basically said he was a murderer.

[Spencer]

And an apologist appears. I'm sure police culture had nothing to do with this.

[Hyperion]

Skyline? Fuck Skyline, Gold Star rulez! Well, my chili is actually better than either of them. But as far as the commercial grade stuff goes, Gold Star is better.

[Old Man With Candy]

Cinnamon has no place in chili.

[Warty]

Like you have any idea what chili tastes like, vegan.

[Jordan]

Nor does spaghetti. Cincinnati-style chili is an abomination worse than deep dish pizza.

[PapayaSF]

Heresy!!

[MichaelL]

It's a matter of taste! It was great for clearing the sinuses, when properly made! Leave off the spaghetti and it is high protein!

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

That is false, OMWC. It's just that Skyline isn't actually chili. It's a thin gruel designed to be a cinnamon delivery vehicle.

[Timon 19]

Thin gruel is right.

I never have understood Cincitucky and their "chili", which is in no way actually chili.

[Azathoth!!]

Cincinnati chili is Greek meat sauce. Like spaghetti sauce--which is why you see it used that way in Cincinnati.

You can get it in nearly every greek restaurant in the country--as meat sauce. Try the endless diners on Rte 1/9 in New Jersey. Just don't call it 'chili'.

[Citizen Nothing]

You're not the boss of me.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

He said "isolated incident".....huh huh, huh huh, huh huh....

WE ARE WINNING!

BOOYAH!

[black blood]

Do you know anything about Cincinnati or UC police? He asks again.

[commodious spittoon]

Bootsy Collins is from there? Skyline Chili is big there? It's a shithole?

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Yeah, but what about UC police? Huh? He didn't ask that at first, but now adds it like it was there. Huh.

So what do you know about UC police? Huh?

See...I THOUGHT SO....

hth

[Warty]

Note that Tulpa now claims to be in Cincinnati.

[Hyperion]

Cincinnati just went way downhill.

[Old Man With Candy]

Cincy will always be a great city as long as there is a Jungle Jim's.

[Timon 19]

Isn't JJ's more in Fairfield?

[Azathoth!!]

There's two now.

[Episiarch]

Tulpa claims a lot of things. And what do you believe when a known, proven liar says things?

[PBnHugh's Woodchipster]

Cool story bro. Tell us more of this 'safety' of which you write.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I don't have an "active" one on my Glock, but my Remington and Marlin do. the NEW Marlin - the old one doesn't (old skool). #safety

[black blood]

Gladly. Now, instead of students getting mugged and raped, they walk to campus and study.

[Bobarian (Would Chip Her)]

Safe or unsafe, they'll always be the derpiest campuses in US

[Cytotoxic]

How is the UC's campus safety increased by off-campus patrols?

[Spencer]

stop bursting his bubble.

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

Student safety certainly can be increased. Lots of urban/commuter schools have most of their student parking off-campus. During one semester at Louisville someone was getting robbed every couple of weeks on their walk to their car.

Note that I said CAN be increased. It presupposes police will actually patrol the fucking area and not be sadistic cunts looking for an excuse to kill the next person they happen upon.

[sarcasmic]

I see Tulpa's mom is letting him use the computer again. How cute.

[SugarFree]

I've wondered about that, actually. black blood is usually the handle that comes to gloat about dead black people and then the briannnnn alt-handle gloats about gloating as black blood. This fits Tulpa's pattern of reinforcing sock-puppeting.

And didn't Mr. Unemployable say something the other day about being in Cincinnati now?

[Episiarch]

Well, he also loves sucking cop dick too. Just like this handle.

[sarcasmic]

I don't wonder about idiot losers. It's a waste of time and energy.

[Mr Drew]

Greetings from Cincinnati!

All is quiet here though many seem to fear an uprising. My assistant's mom called her and asked that my assistant go home before the indictment was released. Now, in her defense my office is in a fairly crappy neighborhood. The real basis of her fear was that she had seen several young black men walking around. Eeek.

On to Chili. Skyline is better than Goldstar in every way. My little one insists that Goldstar is better but I think she secretly just prefers the bun of their coney.

All Cincinnati chili sucks. And it's weird. http://www.skylinechili.com/ways.php (I have no idea how to post a link here, hope this works)
It's made up of the lowest quality ingredients that called legally be called "food".
That said, it's also awesome. Somehow, some way, sometimes, ya just gotta have it. Fans of discworld might remember CMOT Dibbler's sausages. Pratchett (RIP) did a much better job of describing this phenomenon than I ever will.

Besides bitches; Oprah loves Skyline Chili and Graeters ice cream. QED

[Jordan]

I wonder if he was only indicted because he was a University cop. I'll bet the CPD could get away with this.

[black blood]

This is an isolated incident for Cincinnati. Following the murder of Tim Thomas by Evan Roach in 2001, we have had one of the most responsible forces in the country and the campus police have made one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in America pretty nice. I hope this one asshole doesn't ruin it for everybody else.

[Hyperion]

I lived in Cincy and surrounding area for around 20 years. Now I live in Baltimore.l No one in Cincinnati even knows what a dangerous neighborhood is.

[black blood]

OTR was the most dangerous neighborhood per capita up until about 5 years ago I believe.

[Hyperion]

I laugh.

[BigT]

Cincinnati PD has been held as the model which Cleveland PD should emulate. I don't know details, but the reputation is good.

[BigT]

Here, read for yourself about Cincy PD reform

http://www.cleveland.com/metro.....rom_1.html

[ATXChappy]

I know body cams won't solve the accountability problem in and of themselves. But, they seem to have been effective here. If not for the body cam, we would have another case of "he went for my gun".

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

What part of "he was coming right at me" do you not understand? HE WAS COMING RIGHT AT ME! RIGHT. AT. ME!

[ATXChappy]

LOL. I'm so glad that shows back on the air in Sept.

[Cytotoxic]

Which show is that?

[Spencer]

COPS.

[Cytotoxic]

Why would anyone be glad that COPS is coming back?

[ATXChappy]

South Park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU

[Cytotoxic]

This is their last season, no?

[Hyperion]

Or in this case, going right away from us. But either is a good reason to open fire.

/the cops

[Citizen Nothing]

So how was it that the body cam didn't "malfunction"? Good thing the cop (or his buddies in blue) wasn't very smart.

[Cytotoxic]

That's why we need live upload and ubiquitous data/wifi coverage.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

A few bad apples. Training. Not experts. Isolated incident. #BLUELIVESMATTER #derp

[black blood]

First serious incident in Cincy since 2001. Training is great, this guy isn't. No one commenting seems to know any of this. See first point. #POLICESHOULDN'TEVENEXIST.

[Spencer]

so, 2 murders every 14 years is cool with you? good to know the threshold.

[black blood]

It's fun to be snarky and miss the point, but Cincinnati has done way better than most cities and I'm glad that I can walk around Over-the-Rhine and Correyville without thinking I'm going to get shot.

[Hyperion]

Go walk around in West Baltimore for a while. You better hope you aren't white. Then get back to me. I'm falling out of my chair laughing.

[Spencer]

let me guess- you're a cop or related to one?

[SugarFree]

No, Spencer. He shows up on a lot of the shooting threads. Look at the handle.

The shitbag also trolls under briannnnn.

[Citizen Nothing]

Cincinnati is the finest city in Kentucky. Except for Louisville. And Lexington. And Olive Hill.

[Hyperion]

Olive Hill? You really have been to KY, haven't you? I mean to somewhere other than Cincy.

[SugarFree]

I once fell in love with a girl from Science Hill.

[Episiarch]

I thought you took a walk to Zipperhead and met a girl who almost knocked you dead.

[SugarFree]

Is that from something? Like a quote?

[Episiarch]

I think it's from Horsin' Around.

[Warty]

FIRE THAT JEW

[Episiarch]

YOWZA YOWZA BO-BOWZA

[MichaelL]

I got dumped by one! Broke my heart!

[Cytotoxic]

What the fuck is up with 'campus police'? Is this an American thing? In the University I went to in Canada there was campus security. They were basically messengers that rode around on bicycles. The butt of a lot of jokes. It was beyond any realm of possibility for them to carry guns.

[Free Society]

They were basically messengers that rode around on bicycles. The butt of a lot of jokes. It was beyond any realm of possibility for them to carry guns.

That's basically what most cops should be. As present, their presence on the roadways for example, is ostensibly to enforce traffic laws and promote safety of motorists et cetera. However, their ostensibly secondary purpose on our roadways, is to use them as a battle ground for the Drug War or whatever other war our brave heroes are fighting at the time.

We all know that the secondary purpose has basically become the primary purpose. This sort of legal enviroment has made LEOs become an occupying army whose every encounter with motorists is characterized by the officer's fear that the person is another belligerent in the war he's paid to ruthlessly fight.

[Hyperion]

What the fuck is up with 'campus police'?

They want to play cops.

[Cytotoxic]

In Canada they don't, or at least aren't allowed to.

[JayWye]

LOL,in certain cities,HIGH SCHOOLS have their own police departments.

Trayvon Martin's school district,Miami-Dade Public Schools,has it's own police force. they're the ones who caught him with obviously stolen jewelry and a burglar tool,and then logged it as "found items" so it would not add to their crime numbers, according to school policy.(unwritten)

Many colleges are the size of a small city or town. Regular police don't patrol on campus,so the college has their own PD. Then the college (or HS) can set the tone for their campus policing.
They get state-training and certification and are sworn in as legitimate LEOs.

[Mr Drew]

I (briefly) went to UC many years ago. Even the students were unsure of exactly what the campus cops were. They wore uniforms and badges and guns just like the city cops. I even asked the then president of UC about it while waiting on him at a restaurant. Steiger? Something like that. He said "they're real cops, just on campus". Dunno what that means exactly.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Yep, ONE COP does something and you wanna get excited. Come on. it's ONE COP. To paraphrase Epi, think about that. That's supposed to be OK and progress and you should STFU and not post a bunch of smack because ISOLATED INCIDENT!!11!1!1!

The derp is strong today.

[black blood]

Again, the issue is that many, might I say the majority of and including this incident, of the incidents of police brutality are assault, battery, murder, whatever. That doesn't mean that this incident should erase 15 years of progress in my city...

[Spencer]

maybe it should make you question if the progress is actually progress at all...

[Episiarch]

Fuck off, scumbag troll. No one is interested.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

I'm just gonna leave this here for subsequent posters who may skip a bit, Brother Maynard. Epi says it all.

Episiarch|7.29.15 @ 3:01PM|#

Note that we are at the point where we are rather surprised and thrilled that--and let me state this as plainly as possible--a police officer who shot someone in the head for not having a front license plate has actually been indicted for it in some way. Not convicted, just indicted, for cold blooded murder. And this is a victory for accountability.

Just think about that for a bit.

[JayWye]

I think that's a retarded statement. The guy was shot for driving off,essentially resisting arrest . He DID have an open alcohol bottle in his car,and he refused to get out of the car.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Tulpa, if nobody likes you when you're using your black blood moniker, changing sock puppets in the middle of a thread won't help.

[Limpee Wiltstock]

Then maybe we ought to rethink having made peacefully driving off while carrying a bottle something we want prohibitted by lethal force.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

You know who else crowed about how much safety improved on his watch...

[Citizen X]

Barack Obama?

[Another David]

Jerry, the night manager at my local mini golf course?

[Fist of Etiquette]

To me, it seemed as though Tensing panicked. It seems like either through training or his only personal planning that whenever confronted with resistance of this type you automatically draw your weapon and fire. This is the logical end result of a professional culture of personal safety as cardinal rule.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

So, a kind of "new professionalism", then. Seem legit.

[Mr Drew]

+1 to Fist (jeeeeeesus, don't read that out loud)

"Officer safety is paramount". The cop seemed like he was cool and collected through most of the encounter, then freaked out and BOOM. If his first reaction hadn't been "must make this person submit no matter what" it all might have been different.

I also think (not saying anything original here) that it looks like manslaughter to me, not murder.

And to the many who will say here (and at the range later this week), "if he had just obeyed the officer, he would be alive today" let me please invite you to feed yourselves into the ol' woodchipper. Failure to Obey a Lawful Order is not a capital crime. Cops do not get to shoot anyone who defies them or makes them feel small.

[Paul.]

he did not believe his client should be indicted, and said the "political climate" might force an indictment.

By "political climate", he means "the unfortunate existence of video footage"?

[Citizen X]

"Just wait until we get those old-fashioned murder laws overturned..."

[Azathoth!!]

By 'political climate' he means that if this had been a white guy, we'd never have heard about it until it showed up as one of Balko's nutpunches.

[Shawn Wilson]

No, it doesn't, as per that other case whether the cop was indicted for murder after he and his fellows emptied their weapons into a car, only to get off because he was only indicted for murder, and the prosecutor couldn't prove that his bullets actually killed the men. The prosecutor 'forgot' to include lesser included charges of attempted murder, and so a would be murder walked free and clear to continue being a police officer...

[Paul.]

and so a would be murder walked free and clear to continue being a police officer...

Almost a prerequisite at this point.

[sarcasmic]

As more of these incidents are captured on body cameras, I foresee these videos being withheld from the public. But it will be spun as for the public good. Like to protect the victims or some shit like that.

[Curtisls701]

I have to say this, and it is in no way meant to lessen just how horrific this is nor the point that we are amazed when police are actually indicted, but I'm actually surprised that he got a head shot. In most police actions, their aim is not nearly so good - even in close range.

It is beyond sad that a man was executed for nothing more than a traffic stop.

[Citizen X]

That's, uh, a motherfucker of a silver lining.

[Almanian - Trump's Woodchipper]

Whoa, dude....that's harsh

*backs aways verrrrrry slowly*

[JayWye]

WRONG. he was shot for DRIVING AWAY,while the officer was holding onto the door handle. endangering the officer,and attempting to elude.

He shouda taken the ticket for no front plate. Heck,he might have gotten just a warning for that,had he complied. (but he knew he was looking at a DUI or open container violation.)

think of it as evolution in action.

[Suellington]

Looks like second degree murder from that footage.

[Bubba Jones]

So, I just watched the clip, and the cop seemed ridiculously patient with someone who was either stoned out of his mind or a complete moron. The driver was acting suspiciously, to say the least. A bottle of liquor was in the front seat with him. I would not have been at all surprised to see the driver pull a gun.

What I could not tell from the video is why the cop shot. Was it simply to prevent the guy from driving off? That would indeed be fucked up. Was it the sudden, erratic motion from a guy who had appeared to be half asleep? That's easier to understand.

I would hold the officer liable for the economic damages of his action. $43.32.

In most of the dumbfuck cop videos you see the cop going Rambo from the beginning. This guy seemed pretty mellow, was not aggressive, and did not antagonize the driver. Makes it hard for me to believe he was just looking for an excuse to kill the guy.

[Mad Scientist]

And yet, the instant he had an excuse, that's exactly what he did.

[Warty]

$43.32

Fuck off, Slappy.

[Episiarch]

Thanks for capping off this thread with what is assuredly the stupidest, most callously depraved comment of the day. Congratulations, you're a piece of shit.

[Moridin]

One does not have to be "looking for an excuse to kill the guy" to have committed murder.

Keep licking the boots.

[BigT]

Bubba, unless the guy had a weapon the pig had no reason to shoot. He could have backed away and ordered the guy out of the car and called for backup. He could have shot out the tires. All sorts of options short of killing the guy.

[Agammamon]

Or, you know, just followed the guy in the patrol car while calling for backup - he already had the dude's name and license plate number

There's absolutely no reason whatsoever to go Rambo here - just back away, shake your head at some people's stupidity and get on the radio.

Hell, just swing by the guy's house in a couple of hours with some backup and pick him up there - probably asleep with no memory of the earlier encounter.

[Bubba Jones]

Right. And in the context of his otherwise patient conversation with the guy, I have to wonder if he thought the guy was pulling a gun out from wherever he was stashing his gin. The video is unclear at that point.

I would have expected more belligerence before the gunshot if the cop was just an asshole.

[JayWye]

Good post. That is probably how a jury will see it.

IMO,when a driver drives off over a trivial matter,there's generally something a lot worse going on. Maybe the guy had an open warrant,he was looking at a possible DUI or open container violation,etc.

I wonder how long it will take to hear the FULL story.

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

My read on this is a little different. I think things escalated when the cop asked the guy to get out of his car, began opening the door and told him to take off his seatbelt. Dubose clearly didn't want to get out of his car (and I can't fucking blame him). At that point, I see this less as "Dubose drove off aggressively" as I do "Tensing couldn't get Dubose to comply, freaked and shot."

It doesn't even look like the car is moving when the shot is fired, although that may be hard to determine with a proper frame of reference to background in the footage.

[Bubba Jones]

You can't blame him?

How can you drive without a license and not expect to get out of the car when pulled over?

He even had the front plate. Why is it not strapped to the front of the car with zip ties?

This dude was no Eric Garner.

The cop's requests were entirely reasonable. He was courteous and professional. If I am on the jury, I acquit, because I can't see what the cop saw at the time he drew and discharged his weapon.

On the other hand, my policy would also be to fire every cop who discharges a weapon in the line of duty. Just in case.

[AFSlade]

If you actually believe this, and are not simply a sock trolling, you are exactly what's wrong with society. He fucking shot a human being dead simply for driving off - in the view most charitable to the officer. You do not get to execute people for running away, you fucking sociopath.

Until we have more protests, not over the skin color of either the shooter or the deceased citizen, but over the continued militarization of the police, this will only get worse.

I have spent sizable chunks of my life walking around countries where we were at war, where people were very actively trying to kill Americans, and I wasn't nearly as frightened as every cop seems to be nowadays. Seriously - I interacted with all kinds of locals, out in their villages, and not always with overwhelming force - or any at all.

I hear cops and their suckups talking all the time about how "dangerous" it is to be a cop and I have to fucking laugh. You are statistically just about as likely to die being struck by lightning as a police officer as you are likely to die from some violent encounter with a citizen.

Check out the NLEO website. They have a whole memorial page where you can cry and donate, BB. For the last decade, out of ALL the LEOs out there in the country (over 900,000), the average is about 150 killed every year (a little less). Hardly an amount that would justify shooting every fucking time they encounter an unruly citizen.

[Bubba Jones]

No. A suspicious person was shot for escalating the situation unpredictably and unprovoked. He did not say, excuse me officer, I am driving off now. Call my lawyer.

That is of course what would have happened had he simply produced his drivers license, as required by the laws and regulations he agreed to when getting into the car.

[woodNfish]

You're a walking, talking butt-fucking piece of shit, bubba.

[JayWye]

the guy had an open alk bottle in the car,the officer probably was going to do a DUI check. Maybe the guy had an open warrant.
I suspect there was good reason why the guy didn't want to get out,and it was a lot worse than a simple missing front plate. He KNEW he was going to get arrested,so this was resisting,or attempt to elude.

Regardless,driving off was a DUMB thing to do,with the officer holding onto the door.

[Juvenile Bluster]

Fuck off, Tulpa. And I say that in the strongest possible way. If your officer friend doesn't want to fuck you, no amount of licking his boots will change his mind.

Your ability to excuse whatever officers do and argue points that are completely refuted by video is outstanding.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

I have, over the years, dealt with a variety of police officers, private security persons, and so on. One actual policeman was an arrogant and officious idiot, loathed by the citizenry and his fellow officers alike, and kept employed solely by his Union. A few security firms have been notorious; the Cleveland bases Downtown Detective Agency was universally referred to as the "Clowntown Defective Agency". But, without exception, the very worst, petty, loudmouthed bullies have all been Campus Cops.

Far more important, I think, than the issue of why this jumped up janitor shot somebody is why in the name of all the Gods did he have a gun? The Campus Cops I have know shouldn't be trusted with metal flatware, much less a weapon.

[AFSlade]

Depending upon the jurisdiction, I've seen a lot of states "deputizing" the campus police because for some college towns, the town/municipality is a sleepy little backwater whenever the students aren't there and the local police force isn't equipped to handle the jackassery that 30K college kids can wreak on every weekend. It's a resource thing.

I couldn't agree more, however. These guys can't be trusted with sharo objects. I'd allow them only to use pepper spray - anything more than that and you should probably be calling someone else, anyway.

Then again, we know what the "pros" do when they show up - more of the same - except with stronger imunity and union protections. I think this indictment is entirely dependent upon his status. If he were a "full-fledged," badge-carrying member of the Blue Menace, I don't think the prosecutor would be talking shit about this case and the perp like he is. No way.

He knows the Union isn't going to be jumping up and down for this guy. Cops hate these guys, probably because they're competition for getting to "exercise authoritaaiiyyy."

[C. S. P. Schofield]

In my experience, Cops hate these guys because they are mostly cop wannabes that make the real cops look even worse than they would naturally.

[ULOST]

I hope no one has lost sight that he was driving without a front license plate which is a potentially lethal public menace. Comply or die. Uh, not this time. Too slow.

[Agammamon]

Residents . . .should ask whether policing their neighborhoods is something they want campus cops to do in general . . .

No, no we don't. Hell, I don't even want county cops to come in to the cities (or vice versa), county cops shouldn't be able to cross county borders, and that state police should be limited to a pool of detectives and a crime lab to be loaned out to the smaller jurisdictions - no more state highway patrols.

So campus cops can definitely stay on campus and stop fucking patrolling areas you're not *paid* to patrol. Feth - if they were *security guards* people would be complaining that they're not on station when they're paid to be.

'Course I also think such regressive things as that the FBI should go back to only getting involved in cross-state cases, the DEA and DHS cops should be disbanded and rolled up into the FBI - we don't need 500 federal police agencies - park rangers should not be LEOs

[C. S. P. Schofield]

Just as a start, why not legislate that in rode rot carry a gun, a government agent must demonstrate that, hone surprised, he or she will not drop the frgging thing or shoot himself in the foot?

[Bubba Jones]

In Texas, the various universities have their own police forces, deputized as state police. Surrounding areas pay them to patrol the rich suburban neighborhoods that don't get enough attention from the city police.

[AFSlade]

Hey, just so we know that this is all an isolated incident and not indicative of police attitudes or anything institutional:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ls-driver/

Recidivism is such an ugly word.

[AFSlade]

And the WaPo has started tracking cop killings through news reports. http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....?tid=sm_tw

Only 558 this year!!!11!! Derpa slurpa.

Progress!!1!!!

/bootlicker

[Arthur45]

Since when does a University cop have the authority to stop a car for a car license violation?

[C. S. P. Schofield]

In my experience Campus Cops believe that they have the authority to do nearly anything. I have seen one arguing with a full professor that he had the authority to throw said professor off the campus computer system (this was just before the arrival of personal computers) because he had the task of getting STUDENTS off at a certain hour.

I believe he was looking for another job the next day.

[handworn]

I'm all in favor of body cameras, but it seems to me many others who are are because they think cops are always the bad guy when they shoot someone "unarmed" (as though that were trump) and that body cameras will prove it. No doubt sometimes that'll be true, and the cop will be rightly convicted.

I don't see it this time. They blur the actual head shot out, but the video sure doesn't look conclusive to me. Early in the video it shows the cop talking seriously with the driver, gesturing with his hands and stuff. That's not exactly the behavior of some sinister and crooked police officer. Then when the action starts I can see the cop suddenly reaching into the car with his left hand, the driver reacting, and then there's a whole lot of scuffle, in the course of which the cop pulls out his gun with his right hand and shoots. And then the cop is on the ground, and then he's chasing the car.

Perhaps there's more evidence. But right now, if that's all there is against the cop and if I were on that jury, I don't think I'd vote to convict. The evidence is simply too vague. And I agree that this is almost certainly a politically motivated prosecution.

[C. S. P. Schofield]

The issue here is, absent clear evidence of complete innocence a Campus Cop should be assumed idiotic until proven otherwise. And an idiot with a gun who ends up shooting somebody should, minimally, be tried.

[JayWye]

Sheesh,LISTEN to yourself;
that "Campus Cop should be assumed idiotic until proven otherwise" crap won't fly in any courtroom.
it sure doesn't say much for your fairness or lack of bias.

[Catatafish & Woodchips]

Take the uniform and the badge off of him. You think that video of a normal citizen wouldn't result in at least an indictment if not an outright conviction?

[AFSlade]

Hey, Handworn: please explain to me how a cop shooting a guy who is (1) unarmed, (2) not being physically aggressive, (3) driving. the fuck. away.(!), and, (4) no threat to any innocent bystanders, isn't an act of blatant cowardice and/or murder?

I'd like citations for any proposition, please. Like, some legal authority or otherwise, not your bootlicker's opinion about why the officers with the magic badges are allowed to kill whomever they want. That's called "begging the question."

[woodNfish]

Death penalty for the pig.

[woodNfish]

The pigs are more dangerous than the criminals (when they aren't the criminals - which is rare); they should all be disarmed, and most of them should be fired.

[Tionico]

If the U cops can't control themselves, they oughtn't exist. This one could not. HOW is it that campus coppers have authority to deal with things like missing number plates? Particularly in a university area, where out of state students are more common. A number of states do not issue front number plates. I drove a car from Florida, where front plates are not issued, and got pulled over a number of times by a zealous cop or three. He had to call HQ to verify that FL do not issue front number plates.

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[Tony]

Why do cops think they can shoot a fleeing suspect? Are they taught this at some point? Are their quotas just that important?

[J_West]

Generally, campus police are required to have a similar professional qualification to other sworn peace officers. Campus police frequently have jurisdiction in surrounding neighborhoods. This has been well established in law and practice. This makes sense since surrounding neighborhoods often have a high population of students.

Supposing you were the victim of a criminal assault across the street from a campus, and the campus cops did not come to your rescue? Would you then complain because they sat back and did nothing?

[Ben Thompson]

I grew up with these Cincinnati and UC police. They were scary. Full on police state attitudes. I think that's one of the biggest reasons I became a libertarian who thoroughly detests our national police system.
- Having said that this ranks low on my long criminal cop incident outrage list. The cops reaction time was so fast it makes it difficult to comprehend all that was in motion. It seems to me that he was trying to restrain him and was at danger of being tangled in the car while the guy was trying to peel out of there. That constitutes a life endangering threat. If it would have taken ten seconds instead of two for him to go from wrestling with the guy to pulling his gun as he tried to drive away it might not be so shocking that he shot him. When he says he was afraid of getting run over I think he's telling the truth.
- What should be questioned is the whole system, why is a campus cop policing the neighborhood in the first place or even why a license plate should be required by law for a private vehicle.

[MSimon]

Tensing? He should have been relaxing.