Civil Liberties

Waco Biker Slaughter: $1 Million Dollar Bond Judge Who Wanted to "Send a Message" Removed from One Biker's Trial

Also: Why the police might be suppressing evidence, and speculation on the role of undercovers or informants on the scene


Despite such banana republic absurdities as a local police officer heading the grand jury likely responsible for any indictments related to the slaughter of motorcycle club members at a political meeting at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas in May, one sign of procedural sanity happened this week, as reported in the Waco Tribune:

A local justice of the peace was removed Thursday from an examining trial in the case of a Hewitt biker accused of engaging in organized crime in relation to the shootout at Twin Peaks restaurant.

Joe Carroll, senior judge of the 27th Judicial District Court, granted a motion to recuse Justice of the Peace W.H. "Pete" Peterson from the case involving Matthew Clendennen after Clendennen's attorney, Clinton Broden,filed a complaint against Peterson.

Peterson set the initial $1 million bonds for the 177 bikers arrested in the aftermath of the May 17 shootout….

"I think it is important to send a message," Peterson said at the time. "We had nine people killed in our community. These people just came in, and most of them were from out of town. Very few of them were from in town."

Broden's complaint alleges Peterson's "public comments would cause persons to believe that they could not get a fair examining trial before Peterson."

In the complaint, he alleges it is unlawful to set bonds to "send a message" and that Peterson's quotes "indicate that he sets bonds out of bias against people who visit Waco."

I reported on Clendennen's suing over what he considers a false arrest back in June. Clendennen has since withdrawn that suit, though his lawyer says they intend to add defendants and start over.

As I've been noting here for a while, the government seems very inclined to not let the public (or any of the people it arrested) get any objective information about what actually happened that day. This week, Conor Friedersdorf at the Atlantic sums up the current state of things the cops are keeping under wraps.

  • When one of the arrested bikers, Matthew Clendennen, sued authorities, Waco's assistant city attorney fought to prevent him from getting access to video footage taken at the Twin Peaks restaurant, key evidence in the incident. While a judge ultimately ruled that his attorney must be allowed to see the footage, he barred its release to the public and imposed a gag order in the case.
  • The gag order was requested by McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna, who is named in Clendennen's federal civil-rights suit––and granted by District Court Judge Matt Johnson, Reyna's former law partner, according to press reports.
  • Over two months have passed since the shooting. The dead bodies have long since been examined. Yet the public still hasn't been told how many of the gunshot victims were struck by bullets fired from police weapons. (I strongly suspect that if the answer was "zero" Waco police would've said so a long time ago.)

Friedersdorf floats a very damning but plausible theory as to why, especially given that they can't expect to get away with the stonewalling forever.

If there is video or ballistics evidence suggesting that lots of innocent people were arrested without probable cause, or that police bullets killed some of the dead that day in Waco, it will be a public-relations nightmare and a huge liability for Waco and its police department. Scores of bikers could sue for six- or seven-figure sums. And prosecutors might find it much more difficult to secure indictments in the case.

But if indictments can be filed before evidence inconvenient to Waco authorities is publicly revealed, the leverage changes. A biker might be indicted for conspiracy to murder, then offered a plea deal to accept a much lesser charge, like disturbing the peace, with the understanding that time served would take care of the sentence. That would be a tempting deal to take. And pleading guilty to disturbing the peace would preclude a lawsuit for being arrested without probable cause while saving police and prosecutors from looking like they harassed innocents.

Friedersdorf is also raising the question, ignored by most legit press, about the presence and role of undercovers and confidential informants among the bikers that day.

A blog called Aging Rebel has done a lot of very interesting reporting and speculation about the event, and reports on the mystery of the five people reportedly arrested and then "unarrested" on the scene.

He speculates:

 in ATF biker roundups, confidential informants are arrested with other suspects and then turned loose when nobody is looking…..

Since they were actually arrested, the men released in secret at dawn on May 18, were clearly not undercover agents. The Aging Rebel has been told and has reported that two members of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club took off their club insignia and put on police windbreakers and balaclavas shortly after the shooting stopped on May 17. They were probably undercover FBI or ATF agents. The Aging Rebel believes the men released on May 17 were part of an ongoing federal investigation that exploded into violence. Based on interview with numerous sources, The Aging Rebel believes the violence was instigated by federal agents, that it was unnecessary and that the blatant Waco coverup that has ensued is intended to protect federal, state and local policeman from civil and criminal liability and embarrassment.

Despite the official embargoing of video from the Twin Peaks restaurant itself, portions of on-the-scene surveillance footage from the Don Carlos restaurant across the street has been leaked, and Aging Rebel has a great close read analysis of it, which is inconclusive about any of the vital questions of who shot who and why.

Aging Rebel does think he saw a clear example of evidence being planted on the scene though:

Six seconds later one of the operators, a gray haired man wearing a light orange shirt and a machine gun, walks toward the apparent body. He disappears briefly as he talks to a uniformed cop at about 1:21:07 p.m. Then at 1:21:35 he clearly and unmistakably places something on the ground of this crime scene. Then he quickly walks away.

At 1:59:31 p.m. a uniformed officer walks over to the evidence planted by the plain clothes cop and marks it as evidence. Presumably, it is now part of the official case against the 177 men and women who were arrested but not "unarrested."

That Don Carlos video:

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  1. Conor Friedersdorf at the Atlantic sums up the current state of things

    No original reporting and annoying clich?d commentary Conor? No thanks.

  2. We do conspiracies big in Texas.

          1. Yeah...moved to vodka...done...soon.

          2. Leave that hero alone, Frank.

  3. But if indictments can be filed before evidence inconvenient to Waco authorities is publicly revealed, the leverage changes.

    Now would be a good time for video and forensic evidence to be leaked.

    Prosecutors sure know how to work the system by overcharging. That needs to be stopped.

  4. Wow, this is confusing. The times Aging Rebel mentions are actually the timestamps on the video, converted from 24 hour format. So the orange shirt guy first shows up around 42 minutes in (according to the YouTube video time), or what shows as 13:21:07 on the timestamp in the video. Thus the "placing" happens at about 42:30 into the video, and the evidence marking at about 1:20:20. All in the upper left of the video.

  5. Simplest fact ever in recent times. Even far simpler than Bertrand's fucking tome posited on the simplest maths, which isn't simple at all- but is anything really fucking simple when numbers and bodies swirl? Law enforcement in free and open societies cannot ever be trusted fucking ever. Never. Not when the cute uniformed trooper generals stand in front of the camera causing mouthfall in the normals. Not when the lines of angry fuckbunnies git madded cuz one o' der own was offed in the line of bwattle... Why? Because their organized bureaucracies utilize freedom in an insidious manner: namely rape the gaping bloody butthole of collective society for as long as said society exists.

    Law enforcement here is the same across the entire fucking planet when filling jails and fighting imaginary wars is primal. Tyranny, brutality, and the macabre engaged in by the moral warriors who can literally stomp the brains from a kitten and call Judas priest down to damn the druggie kitten soul. Fuck law. FUCK the motherfucking roiling swells of spinal fucking assrapers all across the land of gods and freedom. Law is as good as its intelligent philosophies and when its intelligent appraisals fall prey to the lowest lamest fucking decrepit crippled minds running the police lobbies and unions law has fallen into the muddiest shittiest ditch since the motherfucking fish worms crawled from the goddamn swamp.

    1. OKAY EVERYONE! AGILE CYBORG'S ON IT! We're gonna be OK!

      Happy Friday Agile.


        ...wait a minute...I am...

        /Carry on

        1. Are you able to spout gibberish for the next 6 hours?

          1. Yes, it's what a cyborg does.

  6. Someone in the government finally got around to seeing "Viking Bikers From Hell" and took things a little too far.

    Thanks for keeping up with this, Brian.

    1. Reb Brown!

  7. Somewhat related: I heard there was only one Steyr vehicle for sale in Texas. Is that why ya'll call it "The Lone Steyr State"?

    1. They're just borrowing it's the loan steyr state

      1. +1 internetz

  8. California AG to investigate Planned Parenthood whistleblowers:

    1. Your next Senator from the State of Mexifornia, Kammie poo.

  9. *peeks out of foxhole....looks around carefully*

    Are Botox and JackOffFace finally gone. GodDAMN but what a shitpile it is when they're around. Just gotta leave and come back later when all the noxious gas has cleared.

    1. I CAN HELP!!!

      No, relli, I cannot.

      /peers at empty glass...staggers off to find vodka

      1. I can't help. I just noticed the time. I have to be up to get shit done tomorrow. Au Revoir!

      2. Wtf is this vodka nonsense? I thought you had a whole rack full of wine?

        1. Not any more!

          1. And this gal has been drinking cocoa all night...go and chat her up!


            1. But try to avoid this chick tonight...


              1. That's a good look for j edgar hoover I think

        2. He is so far gone he thinks white wine is vodka. It happens. Supra.

          1. I'm trying to figure out what cool old Toyotas have to do with your comment.

        3. Must save remaining wine for wife...gasps,and reaches for Smirnoff and Sprite Zero....

          1. "Must save remaining wine for wife"

            Said nobody, ever.

            1. Not true. Hubby knows that if he drinks all the wine, I'll be forced to get into his high age Scotch out of sheer desperation. I only drink Scotch when there's no wine available... I know heresy for this crowd, but I don't like Scotch. It's a matter of simple high end alcoholic preservation for him to leave some wine.

              *Swiss is not my Hubby to my knowledge, but then again it would be one of the greatest troll jobs EVAR if he was. I

    2. Tulpa and joe. Remember, someday they'll both be dead.

      1. That constitutes an immediate threat.

      2. Will it be recorded? Can I get a copy?

  10. Jesus FUCKING Christ ball sacks, my wife came walking in this fucking eve after watching baby amy in her movie with my sexy sister and jesus FUCKING muslim butts.... she was wearing this tiny shorts and a cute bra under some sorta knitted robe and my chinese lasers and fucking chauvet lights are broiling the loins of my fucking man vagina cave and my arms turned into piles of mafia pasta and my fucking legs became humongous squids and my dick turned into a gigantohumongous spear and I crip-crapped and skittered this shitty collection of fucking what the fuck across the carpet to her and kissed her bulging vagina and died for minute. whereu[pon I arose and dictated my finger dancers into this thread. for not a single particulated reasoning other than booze and tokes goes extremely fucking well mixed with reason boxes and nasty boys and 1.456 girls who stake planets for their...... man I erased that shit...hammered self censor... goota watch the man and offendorios... holy crap... that planets.... what I saw.

    1. Dear Agile,

      Stop sending us this perverted stuff.


    2. So, ugh....[kicks pebble], you got pics?

    3. Good Evening, A C!

      If I ain't being too inquisitive, what does Mrs. Cyborg think about you, um, illuminating the Reasonoids?

      1. Bah, if he has half the ability to satisfy her as I imagine...she could care less.

        *staggers toward bed*

      2. mrs. cyborg wears tiny skirts and makes tons of money, baby.

        mrs. cyborg fucks her chicago baby cock and wears expensive lingerie, baby.

        mrs cyborg once jammed my hard cock into a sweet hawaiian friend under the fucking tides of stars and ripples of oceans and my cock was loved by a hot hawaii slut while mrs cyborg licked hot hawaii babes little wrinkles where her tight micro cock got tight and she pissed in mrs cyborgs mouth and mrs cyborg took a shower and was delight.

        1. Pictures are worth 1000 words.

          1. I showed you mamas ass, playa...

            1. Baby girl panda approved colors posted, peace out.

  11. My fucking face went to bad in the late hour yesterday when the moon and vaginas like to dribble in dreams. and sweet girl with her tiny body and sweet tits at 3 glowed like honey lasers.. and this fuck cranked up on shit kneeled at his goddess and her ankles glowed like diamonds under the oaks, man... big ass macho wood 90 feet tall bent behind my fucked up ass watching my body sweat in her hot dreams and I swear to jesus fucking christ my dick grew to a foot long and I massaged queen baby kitten's calved with my weeping head and an entire music festival of midgets cropped up between mama's legs and papa fell down broken like an ancient mountain under the power of queen galaxy... starbaby rolled her silky ass to papa's ancient tower and mamababy reached back at 3 and grabbed king balls and rolled those banga bangas like a super pile soft beef underneath the nasty arch and the swelling ball cap under a king diamond light.... thighs buttered with cream and ass so soft and fluffy and tight mounded tight in the right and curves

    1. assassinating my fucking 225 pound muscle. Little baby 124 killing a big dude, dead. out. fucked up. offed. over, finished, brothers. Mama jupiter took daddy and gang-raped his emotions with her sweet titties dripping with that late night glance... mama star rolled on top of papa on his trip underneath a million brainlights and she pocketed his dick in her galactic spout and mama baby sweet cream roll played like a blonde big bang scientific expermient on her lab dick and mama galaxy spilled a trillion wet stars and big planet papa made a billion new babies die and I licked the sweat off mama galaxies armpits.

      fuck this ;limits post shit

  12. cum is spillt like parallel galaxies, babies.

    cum is the neighborhood of making fucking babies but we kill tons of baby potential in the fire of fucking livingstons.
    i struggle with literally hating 'religions' man. i admit this freely becasue my shit is fucked up. and I have a mother and father more religionous than even John will ever be...John is liberal compared tomy fucking progenz. Religion should be loved and livinged free forever but religion hates me.

    Greenwald, your protectist- shit.. protectionaist shields of hardcore muslims///? Greenwald would be beheaded in Saudi Arabia for fucking with his real news and the fucking shit-eating kings in that sandy pit of low IQ big money. But Greenwald who my face thinks is brilliant thinks muslims love him. No, Muslims hate freedom, Greenwald. Christians hate freedom. Greenwald.

    My brain supports open freedoms for muslims and christians but... their history is not fucking sexy or great. religions enjoyed by jack hate human pleasure.

    1. Agile,
      Sometimes I understand you, thoroughly.
      Sometimes I understand you not at all.
      But, always, I recognize that you are a poet. And I am thrilled to know that we share the same planet.
      Thank you for being you.

      for my purpose holds
      To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
      Of all the western stars, until I die.

      1. Jed gave my arms a billion dirt bikes
        Jed gave my legs a trillion hooligans
        Jed gave my nipples a squillion jager tacos
        Jed is a sweet fuckingo boyo whata wamma yamma dooga winga lorga

        Jed. peace baby, under le' leds streamin and swerling on all the planes, boner prince.

        check. peace. love. wangs woo.

        1. check. peace. love. wangs woo. to you, too.

          1. I apologize for replying to myself, but "woo. to you, too." just makes me want to continue the assonance with this gift to the English-speaking world.
            Um, do YouTube links need an autoplay warning?

            1. Jed bong should resist apologetics.
              Chronic trees root into Jed soil
              and Jed soil is rich and heavy with a million gods
              and when your soil is rich with millions of gods
              certain plants springs from you spinal cords
              and your neck has a star parasite the
              slips from fossils pissing little roses that
              love on neck parasite fossils and you have
              to watch you brain because if the brew in this
              fonts squirrels like squiky backy wacky wooky damma
              linga shill wongo booka rooka gook....

              so these recipes of letters.... if you fall down and hear a rainbow
              scrabbling about your room you should get help?.. yea.. get help, bro.

              your doctor should put you on klonopin for at least two weeks and don't fucking listen to nikki stix.... she has no fucking idea about this shit.

              1. Stevie.... not nikki... fuck my asspenis.

              2. A water pipe that doesn't ask forgiveness
                can't see beyond its vegetable richness.
                As the pantheon beneath me echoes deep
                and wisps of wealthy daemons earn their keep,
                particular fauna does arise
                from my vertebral column, nape, and eyes.
                These long forgotten excretory flowers
                that nip away the reliquary hours,
                deserve more than a careless backward glance.
                After all, the squirrels need but half a chance.
                linga shill wongo booka rooka gook...
                Your gift, received, is warmly, wondrously, took.

  13. banana republic absurdities

    Libertarian Moment!

    Also I thought this shootout was a sign of how racist cops are too nice to white people? I mean it's not like the Law-And-Order types in the 1960s and 1970s hated hippies and rednecks...

  14. Completely off-topic: Friedersdorf is also raising the question, ignored by most legit press, about the presence and role of undercovers and confidential informants among the bikers that day.
    At this point it ain't gonna surprise me a bit to find out that the reason for the gag order and all the secrecy is because every last "outlaw biker" there was actually working for the cops.

    1. So a corollary to the old adage:
      On the internet, all men are men, all women are men, and all children are FBI agents.

      1. And above average, Granny.

  15. So Gillespie and Co. keep going on about how libertarianism is "socially tolerant and fiscally responsible". Leaving aside the fact that society is still very intolerant of people who hold socially unacceptable views, just that what is socially acceptable has changed, isn't this a bunch of reactionary horseshit? An appeal to a mythical nonexistent Sixties and Seventies in which the Republicans were fiscally responsible and Democrats were socially liberal? The closest to a fiscally responsible Republican since the 1920s was Eisenhower and if we define "socially liberal" as one who wants the government out of social issues the Democrats certainly weren't then or now?

    1. Christ, you are fucking tiresome.

      1. Your economy of words is far better than mine.

    2. Winston, did you score some of AC's stuff? Is there a point buried in that mess?
      You start with what Reason writers claim of libertarianism, and then wonder off into general social commentary regarding Ds and Rs. "Non-sequitur" comes to mind.

      1. Nick Gillespie (and others) like to use the phrase "socially tolerant and fiscally responsible" which I find, ironically, to be a bunch of reactionary nonsense?

        1. What is Winston lines? How does the Winston clouds paint pictures? If Winston was a social artist how would Winston paint Americna cultures?

        2. Winston|7.25.15 @ 12:11AM|#
          "Nick Gillespie (and others) like to use the phrase "socially tolerant and fiscally responsible" which I find, ironically, to be a bunch of reactionary nonsense?"

          That's nice. The rest of us seem to find your bullshit to be your opinion, or the other way around.

          1. Why is it bullshit? The phrase is clearly implying that Libertarianism involves taking the best of the Republicans (fiscal responsibility/conservatism) and the best of the Democrats (social tolerance) and jettisoning their bad elements as seen in the 1960s and 1970s. Also is this was part of dubious attempt to claim that libertarians are some sort of centrists between the extremes of both parties.

            1. I think you're reading too much into it. Or at least in the wrong context. Considering our short discussion concerning the "U-shaped political spectrum" in an earlier thread, I view Nick's use of the phrase as a way of introducing the libertarianism in a very simplistic way to those who aren't yet able to think outside of the Right-Left paradigm.

              Just like when you first teach chemistry to 6th graders, you use the Rutherford-Bohr model, knowing full well that it's simplistic and not as an accurate description of reality as the electron cloud model...but it's what the 6th graders are able to handle at that time.

              1. Remove the extraneous "the", please.

            2. Winston|7.25.15 @ 12:22AM|#
              "The phrase is clearly implying that Libertarianism involves taking the best of the Republicans (fiscal responsibility/conservatism) and the best of the Democrats (social tolerance) and jettisoning their bad elements as seen in the 1960s and 1970s."
              Uh, you just showed why.
              There is no need to take the best of either party at any time; libertarianism can and does exist outside those constraints.

              "Also is this was part of dubious attempt to claim that libertarians are some sort of centrists between the extremes of both parties."
              See above.
              Your lack of imagination is not my problem.

              1. Why not? Your lack of imagination is somehow our fucking problem.


        3. So it pisses in your cheerios? Tough shit sherlock

    3. What do Democrats and Republicans have to do with anything? The point of claiming that libertarians are "socially tolerant and fiscally responsible" isn't some kind of indication that they're some sort of half-elephant, half-donkey monstrosity. If you want to see something that's part-Democrat and part-Republican, look at our government. Is that what you think libertarians aspire to? The point is that libertarians are tolerant and fiscally responsible, regardless of what stupidity the two branches of the Incumbent Party happen to be up to.

  16. if you want to hurt your face
    you should fuck space and dream
    and die when horrible russion junk eats your balls off because space is filled with FUCKING shit left by dumbass russians and shitty communists and a few fucking dumbass americans...

    space will be ruined by asshole humans which is why space hates us. humans are assholes. we hate ourselves. we throw ourselves in fucking prisons. we bomb ourselves. we torture us. we kill us. we hate ourselves most fucking egregiously. humanity might have nations and boundaries but nations and boundaries don't work with drones.

    the future military is not what we see today. be careful what you sign up into. DO NOT give your lives to the modern fucked up minds swimming in military bureaucracy. Don't.

    I get guns. I get defense. But modern military hasn't been created yet. The US likes to pretend its awesome and shit but not. Modern military in certain hemispheres is about drugs.... can you

    1. FUCKING believe this shit? Modern military is a total fucking waste in american because the DEA has taken the entire sleeves to church. and the DEA sucks lizard cock and always will until they learn to understand that AMERICANS enjoy getting high so GET the fuckout of our way and insure we get clean chemical, clean pot, clean stations, clean drugs, clean everything...

      1. and THEN the DEA might get some Motherfuckng respect, you dumbfuck fools raping all the shit continents...

        I swear.... fuck the dumbasses who run all this shit.

        obama is worried about the fucking nigger boys in the hood being shot by shitty fuck-sucking asshole cops- as do I . but obama kills sand niggers and their little boy and girl families with super white captains in New Mexico.

        Great job, american drone pilot. Unless your FUCKING brain is total psychopathy and happy to jam a concrete rod up a butthole in a dreary bloody basement... you have no fucking right to drop a motherfucking bomb on ANY geographic locale approved by war lovers you miserable fuck. No amount of Fox or CNN will make your mind get tight and above. Guess what. the dude who gets the ptsd drugs you all are I get. Probably thousands of you... on ptsd drugs.... why?

        Because the US military is a mathematical failure. It is a bureaucracy managed by a dead practitioners... Propped up by super badges and cute uniforms the US military is so big in old ideals- it is lost. gone gov. lost gov.

        Not saying military in new decades aren't true and modern but all planet's military are run by very old school broken minds.

  17. who the FUCK came up with this arbitrary 1500 letter shit? Man, I pay to FUCKING hang on this amazing collecive of brilliant orgasms and I can't FUCKING post 2900 letters?

    Cmon, reason motherfuckers. I ain't no FUCKING hangnail... I pay to live here in fucking bitchass words, man... why the FUCK make my toked up ass break shit up...?

  18. OT: God Hillary Clinton is such a mendacious, incompetent cunt. She like a Obama with saggier tits.

    So the cunt manages to contradict herself in two sentences.

    So which is it you fucking cunt? Is having a fucking sepsis pool of a vagina a merit or not.

    Speaking of merits.... you mean like this success story.

    1. I'm betting we're going to collect a whole passel of Shrill-apologists over on the 'strangle puppies' thread tonight.
      We got the return of craig, jackand, plus several new lefty trolls, all trying to come up with why she isn't the slimiest hag ever to pretend to power.

  19. Apparently the Connecticut Democratic party has renamed the Jefferson-Jackson dinner. The fact that the party still exists is extremely hypocritical since Jackson founded the Democrats (and the Donkey was originally a reference to him!) and he claimed descent from the Jeffersonians. Oh and Jefferson and Jackson weren't Confederates either and neither was John Calhoun who became Jackson's enemy. I suppose Washington and the Star Spangled Banner will be next. I'm waiting for Yale and New York (and Albany) to change their names...

    Oh and Amerigo Vespucci was involved with slavery. Better ditch "America"!

    1. I read your lines and my eyes float above horizental mirrors.

      How do you define the spaceship you and I party on?


        1. Win fuel, baby... MarathonWin.. ShellWin.... AmocoWinston... BPWINston..............

          we live in the planets and if there is no FUCKING bars I WILL KILL you WINSTON.... well, i won't KILL you... I will be pissed but I will bring a suitcase of drugs and shit if I have to go shit faced into space.. no FUCKING nasa massive IQ gonna change all this shit up... I WILL share my special leaves and if we don't find a planet mountain Winston, we will jack our shit up on well....a mote of lines of cocaine and tons of bottles of booze and a few special pills because if we die on this shit we should die with our dick spilling cum to alien sluts right?
          Not? well, ok, I have a King James here for the Winston boy to read...
          I need some FUCKING disco in deep space and I love some bikinis- shit I love bikini ass

    2. I could tell you things about Peter Pan
      And the Wizard of Oz - there's a dirty old man!

  20. if arms were legs
    you can't tongue lines
    and i can't
    but i can't really get where my mind is going right now
    I see super pinlights and lions really angrey on clouds filled with little smileys
    and my arms I force to release to pleasure my deep brain.
    man.. the body is there and my mind is swimming rivulets on tunes and brains and deep fuckoff
    dude the fuckers are rapping in tune with my deep space because modern tunes on top but
    beneath this shit are latent thoughts not interested in upper pop culture

  21. if harm arms on ron tanks
    rupped my heart from alters under dark
    oaks and ant king ate my balls
    while ohio ghost arms smashed little logs
    when a zillion stars smashed my lovely nipples

  22. an angry barrage of tanks are killiinng my cock
    and a little green lite spreads snakes and cows across the tombs
    of minds I so deeply fleshly fuck in these tunnels...of lettros and ghofontos
    and seas of kill my face dick raised
    a humongous octopus that loved papa's c0ck and she massaged [a[a=s
    cock and [a[a=s cocktopus loved jizzo ,marbles on le beach

  23. so this arra of leetters is combatin my arms...

    i get thi

    I can't type cuzmy fuckke up wpiorld is gone gone gone goen
    all dayu govn go
    but i feel alive
    i feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee\
    eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel fantAStic

  24. my boy van zant shouldnot have died before his letters were done.

  25. Fuck my arms.

    van zant?

    No... fuck these shitters.

    Townes Van Zandt... no mimic fucks...
    the real dead...

  26. Townes van zandt my lovely font voicer.
    Townes van zandt my dead coffin ghost poem man.
    Townes van zandt my lonely tractor next to the sea and its lonely farms.
    Townes van zandt my lovely mr drughead who tripped past his yarns
    townes can zandt the great genius of living of loving verse tines

  27. I saw a little petal on flower
    where the rain fell
    and the stem cried under the weight
    of its tears
    no rain saw the hangings the little petal on flower

    tender wings soft the clouds
    and lights scatter on my fingers
    and clouds are shitty things
    i hate clouds because clouds are dark
    and my heart fears the beneath, deer.

    but when the soil punches my fists
    when I work her and offer servitude
    the tines of rivers foil the growths and screams I recoil but
    underneath i hear the expressions of the above, boys.

    I fall into a great unknown when the tongues form from the ships
    and the lord demands the will of the dames
    and swift canyons capture the marrow
    of the bones afraid
    from the behind

    lost and felled the sweep
    falls so fucking deep
    i hear the guitar of love but
    i fear it will be felled

  28. the horrors of living or found
    when the winds of clouds
    get prancing but that
    is no real determination
    of reality is it.
    because death and killing
    happens under a smiling sun
    and blue sky.

  29. My arms are trapped like fingers
    on a white quag of dead friends.
    I lost great whales of planet brains
    and I fear I will die underneath my

    when I listen to my great yarns
    and minds of my lost herous...

    but reason is a field of lost herous
    and I love van sandt and i love my
    herous on reason
    the codeine waits around and dies

  30. if space was broken
    it would be a star petal
    weeping drip lights and moons

  31. i lived on a planet far from mama's bikini
    and I saw a billion stars created underneath time
    but I missed mama's bikini so I died of hunger on
    a lonely star hoping the universe would bring me
    back to mama.... here I am.

      1. Jed the lovely spear ghost
        a window hunter
        the humans fled tomorrow but
        jed bets his wallet on
        a song human....

        jed hunts human.
        and I got fucked up on booze and tired pot
        and i fell in the forest and jed hunting humans
        jabbed his spear in my spine.

        Agile died and Jed hauled Agile body to upper ;laska tundra...
        a fucking human Jed the hunter would gain thousands from killing Agile
        and upper store depot saw the swell carousel and gave jed several thousand for
        the dead corpse of agile.... and the wind did not care and brought tons of snow.

        1. Agile, my god!
          How do you do this? This is beautiful poetry!
          100 years after Pound commanded that we "make it new," here you are.
          a song human....
          tired pot
          and the wind did not care and brought tons of snow.
          Honestly, you have my respect and my heart.

  32. if stars travel do they miss their homes?
    why is space so deep, Van?

  33. I wished you didn't die Van.
    A star on this fucking thing is you,Van.

  34. I felled on a floor one night
    with my brother and the world die
    but we clasped arms for hours underneath the midnight
    and mushrooms burned our rivers and my eyes and brains almost die while
    the savage brother tossed and cried
    when deep doorsteps break the human house
    and bricks fall on the minds and legs of the creatures cree[ping
    under lights never invented by no wands

    I screamed and cried and felled into a trillion dimensions with David under many hours we cried and tripped and fell and held visions of angels and lighted pyramids and strange towers and we walked under blue stones and within the doldrums of tons of golds and how we fucked a million pussies and caressd the sweet titties

    in the forest where the little bird flutters and the moist morning cajoles the afternoon.

  35. time has a pace
    when you breathe it 'feels' '
    muscles can relax or tighten
    jealousy is the ripe human

    tons of bros post here and
    jealousy is their 'thing'

    own the wife- ownthe husband- own the gf= own the bf
    normal life supports your vector...when youngish

    and the little flute plays...

    not a single decade old coupling listens to the flute.

    the flute is new dimensions for your first decade, man

  36. you've been married the first time for a serious
    10 years. no previous. the FIRST round of cock and vagina....

    Your decades have just started but you fuckers get credit for not divorcing..

    I can't do divorce... I refused to marry a horrid cunt of a bitch... even early on....
    I live marriage breaking rules and I cannot marry a cunt that that hates offbeat thought and.....
    I am currently living with an amazing hot blonde of 22 years and we fuck lovers for island pleasure....

    best life ever

    1. Offbeat thought and I am currently living
      a life counter to those for whom stricture is king.

  37. Word of cops vs word of outlaw bikers. I'm quite sure everyone is lying. I have to wonder though if this whole fiasco didn't start over cops having asset forfeiture wet dreams when they found out hundreds of Harleys were coming to town.

  38. Man, shit got REAL last night! Agile Cyborg - you are still #1 on my list as Poet Laureate of Murca when I'm elected President.

    1. Absolute Perfection

  39. There's no question some very bad info is buried in all the evidence being withheld.

    I think its a timing question, as speculated above. And I think the lawyers with the civil suits already filed need to get super-aggressive. File ethics complaints against the prosecutors and every lawyer on their staff. Go to federal court and get injunctions to immediately produce all the video and all the autopsy reports. Go to the press and start making accusations that the cops and prosecutors will have to refute. Amend your complaints so that withholding the evidence is a conspiracy to retaliate. Etc. etc.

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