Greece Is Playing With Fire
The ruling Syriza party brought out the nuclear option, threatening to default on its IMF loans.
Despite repeated promises, Greece and its Eurozone lenders have still not come to an agreement about what steps the foundering Mediterranean nation will take to unlock continued financial assistance. Now, Greece has introduced into the conversation the possibility that it might default on some of its loans, a threat that would seem to dramatically increase the likelihood of Grexit.
To recap: Leaders from the rest of the currency union, led by Germany, are demanding that Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras commit to a series of reforms to get the country back on sound financial footing. These would include some combination of privatizing national assets like ports, laying off (or keeping laid off) public employees, cutting (or keeping cuts to) government spending levels, and stepping up tax collection. Tsipras, who campaigned on rolling back just such austerity measures, imposed as part of the last bailout, has not yet managed to present the Eurozone with an "acceptable" list of reforms he's willing to take, so the European leaders are holding back the financing on which the Greece economy depends.
But time is an enormous factor here. About €450 million worth of International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans come due next week, and Greece doesn't have the cash on hand to service them and also pay for its government workers' wages and pensions. It needs further assistance.
In an attempt, presumably, to pressure the Eurozone to release the rest of its bailout funds, the Greek interior minister yesterday took the unusual step of suggesting the country might choose to default on its IMF loans rather than allow its public employees to go unpaid. Defaulting on payments to the IMF would eventually lead to a forced exit from the currency union—a "Grexit," as it's known—something all sides have been adament must be avoided.
This morning came the news that cooler heads prevailed, at least temporarily. Greece walked back its threat to intentionally default, saying it would make the IMF payment due April 9 after all.
But more loan deadlines are fast approaching, and Greece still doesn't have the money to pay for everything it wants. Unless Tsipras can come up with a reform package his European creditors deem acceptable, the country will again risk default. Last time Germany and the others dug in their heels, Tsipras backed down, promising not to unilaterally roll back any more austerity measures without their approval. He'll probably do the same this time around.
If he doesn't, Grexit awaits.
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And we all know how difficult it is to put out Greece fires.
"Greece Is Playing With Fire"
"Obviously its symbolic..... I don't want to tell you too much, spoil anything for you, but I'll just say one word = Icarus. If you know what I mean, great - if you don't, well, you should probably read more."
Or Greek fire for that matter.
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Default? Huh. Don't tempt Germany to repossess your country. They've been known to do that, on occasion.
You know who else had to exit Greece...
Antony and Cleopatra?
isn't that rome they were kicked out of?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium
Goddamn that Augustus.
It was really all Agrippa. Octavian's always taking credit for Agrippa's victories...
Yes. Augustus was just really good at propaganda and happened to take power at a time when Rome was so sick of civil wars they just wanted somebody, anybody, to restore order.
I wonder if they had images of JC with "miss me yet?" in graffiti all over Rome in the intervening years?
Socrates?
+1 final exit
We offer him escape, but him lock self in.
"I drank what?"
+1 Real Genius
ITS LIKE YOURE INSIDE MY MIND, OTHER JW
John Travolta?
dang your quick fingers
John Travolta?
Daedalus?
Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus?
+ one way ticket to Egypt
*applause*
Okay, who does Pompey the Great look like to you?
For some strange reason I see a cross between Conan O'Brien and Danny DeiVto.
Conan DeVito or Danny O'Brien?
Wrong! Barney Rubble.
THAT'S WHO IT WAS! I just couldn't place it! I wonder if Julius Caesar really looked like Fred and he just ordered the artists to fix it.
It changes everything, doesn't it?
Barney Rubble!
That shorty went out with my ex-girlfriend, Beth.
What an actor.
The British?
Helen?
Xerxes?
The Ottomans?
Nicholas Urfe?
Jimmy?
Nia Vardalos?
Wonder Woman?
Nia was born in the country of brother Rufus: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0889522/
Lord Byron?
See, I was gonna go with Xerxes.
I figure it's only a matter of time before Obama holds a press conference to tell us that the American taxpayer has a moral duty to bail out the Greek government to allow them to continue their profligate spending because "austerity" is sooooo evil.
Will somebody ask Krugabe why Greece isn't already paradise on earth? Because by his school of economics the debt they've managed to accrue should have already turned their economy into the 10th wonder of the world.
Being in love with Keynesianism means never having to say you're wrong.
They just didn't spend enough...duh!
There's, simply put, not enough to spend. THAT is the problem.
Krugabe's answer: the evil Germans are holding them to terms of a contract.
Is "Grexit" a real, accepted term?
since at least 2011, when the whole Euro-debt/fiscal-crisis first was distilled down to silly terms like that, and "PIIGS"
Oooh, so if Greece Grexits, then it will be the "pies" (PIIS)?!
Pronounced "piss"...
since at least 2011, when the whole Euro-debt/fiscal-crisis first was distilled down to silly terms like that, and "PIIGS"
The latter term was merely intended to stave off continued muslim immigration.
Oh, I wish they would.
And then - and then! I wish their creditors would swarm over the country, dismantle it, and sell off the pieces against their losses.
Then, *maybe*, these shit states would stop and think about the whole 'we can keep borrowing - we'll just print more money to offset' policy.
And then - and then! I wish their creditors would swarm over the country, dismantle it, and sell off the pieces against their losses.
The French and German banks already got bailed out for their Greek assets, it's now all parked at the EU/ECB & IMF.
I'd settle for their defaulting, leaving the EU and going back to the Drachma and then finding out that the Drachma is worthless outside of Greece. Then holding a bond issue and finding no one showing up at all to buy them.
Nonsense. US Public employee pension funds are always chasing yield.
and then finding out that the Drachma is worthless outside of Greece
And it won't be that valuable inside of Greece.
I'm for it too. What's the worst that can happen to them?
they are held accountable for the (incredibly popular) actions of their govt?
I'm hoping their currency will collapse and I'll be able to take a sweet vacation on the cheap. Before it all burns to the ground, of course. Timing is everything.
I'm guessing the result of that is selling bases to Russia.
They can call it the Athens Pact.
Two cripples supporting each other.
If Greece defaults, that will set off a financial collapse at least as bad, and maybe much worse, than the Big Dump of 2008.
It will probably mean the end of the euro currency, and with it possibly the end of the Euro project.
So, tough call.
disagree on all fronts. greece provides nothing to world markets and has always been a drain on the EU. dumping them will punish greece while strengthening the EU and world markets.
Also - whip your spellchecker intern/orphan for missing this.
It'll have to be self-flagellation. Fixing now.
Go on...
pics or it didn't happen
Oh, dear.
TIWTANLW
Greece Is Playing With Fire
Are they? Because I've been hearing the same threats, watching the same posturing, and being utterly unsurprised when it all comes to naught and the can just gets kicked down the road for, what, 3 or 4 years now? This is theater.
And who is the chorus?
The media that keeps getting worked up over this every few months.
It's a good thing then that they don't have a debt ceiling in Greece.
I like it. let's get it on film!
The Greeks have learned a lot from the Norks.
Greece should just exit the monetary union. It's been unquestionably bad for everybody involved. Creditors, assuming Greece would be backed by Germany's credit, lent Greece entirely too much money. Greece, instead of doing gradual belt-tightening, was able to put off a day of reckoning for 15-20 years with this easy money. Once the spigot dried up with the last recession, everything (predictably) fell apart in a big way.
Germany, I'm sure, knows the best court of action is to let Greece exit and take some volatility out of the eurozone. Greece, I'm sure, knows the best course of action is to reintroduce the drachma and let it devalue so that it can be competitive again. Political considerations are preventing that from happening.
The longer they put off the exit, the worse it'll be for everybody involved.
Next weekend is probably a good time for it... It's Orthodox Easter, and next Friday and Easter Monday are both holidays in Greece. Have 4 days to take care of it, potentially more if you kick it off as soon as markets in London or New York close on Thursday and just say to hell with what happens in those on Friday.
" Greece, I'm sure, knows the best course of action is to reintroduce the drachma and let it devalue so that it can be competitive again."
How does one say " Fuck you, cut spending!" in Greek?
"How does one say " Fuck you, cut spending!" in Greek?"
I'll bet they understand that just fine!
'Course, they're not about to do it, since everybody has a right to free shit.
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Grexit
Weak.
Greece is like an endless loop of a clip of Wimpy in an old Popeye cartoon:
"I will gladly repay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
Can anyone explain to me why they just don't cut the fuckers off or, even better, show them the door?
Unless their baklava is that awesome, they seem to be more trouble than they're literally worth.
I dunno, baklava is pretty fucking good.
Because doing so would be admitting the failure of the entire Euro project. That's why.
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"Now that's a damn shame, when folks be throwin' away a perfectly good white boy."