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Can We Expect 'Chaos' When Pot Becomes Legal in D.C. Next Week?

Rules for sharing, consumption, and possession may need clarification.

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Next week Initiative 71, the marijuana legalization measure approved by voters in Washington, D.C., last November, is scheduled to take effect after surviving congressional review. When it does, Washingtonians 21 or older will no longer face local penalties for possessing up to two ounces of marijuana outside their homes, sharing up to an ounce at a time with other adults, or growing up to six plants (no more than three of which are mature at any given time) at home, where they also will be allowed to keep whatever those plants produce. Meanwhile, the D.C. Council's plans to legalize commercial production and distribution of marijuana have been blocked by a spending restriction that Congress approved in December. The result, according to The Washington Post, could be "chaos."

Although I would prefer a situation where cannabis consumers are not forced to grow their own, cadge from friends with green thumbs, or continue relying on the black market, "chaos" seems like an exaggeration to me. The challenges that D.C. will face are not very different from the challenges that Colorado faced in 2013, when it was legal to grow, share, and possess marijuana there but state-licensed retailers had not opened yet.

One of those challenges, as the Post notes, is distinguishing between sharing and selling marijuana. Initiative 71, like Colorado's Amendment 64, allows any adult to transfer up to an ounce to another adult "without remuneration," but it's not clear exactly what that means. If you grow marijuana that you intend to share with me and I pitch in by helping to cover your costs, is that "remuneration"? Does it matter whether those costs include your time as well as cultivation equipment, supplies, and electricity? Rob Corry, a Denver attorney and longtime marijuana activist, argues that it shouldn't, but he nevertheless advises clients not to seek reimbursement for their time because that looks too much like turning a profit.

What about giving marijuana away as a bonus when people purchase some other product or service? In Colorado police look askance at a transaction that seems like an obvious dodge, such as giving away pot when someone buys an unusually expensive bong or Bob Marley poster. Police also take a dim view of "free" marijuana with a hefty delivery fee or suggested "donation."

By contrast, businesses that specialize in cannabis tourism are probably on safe ground when they share marijuana with customers because the value of the pot is small compared to the cost of a tour. "If we give them $100 of weed, and we charge them $2,000 for a weekend," says Nick Brown of Denver's Spiro Tours, "it's hard for anyone to argue that we're selling weed for $2,000, because they could just come in and buy it themselves."

The Post mentions the possibility of "high-end catered dinners cooked in ¬≠marijuana-infused oils," which might pass muster if the culinary experience is refined enough to justify the high price, independent of any psychoactive effect. A safer approach might be a cannabis cooking class where customers pay for the instruction but also receive all the materials they need to make the dishes. The important thing is to avoid transactions that look too much like pot sales in disguise.

Another issue raised by the Post, marijuana's continued illegality under federal law, is not unique to D.C. either. "Marijuana possession will remain punishable by up to a year in jail if found on someone on the Mall, in Rock Creek Park or in almost any city traffic circle," the Post notes, "since they are the provinces of the U.S. Park Police" or other federal agencies. Residents of Colorado, Washington state, Oregon, and Alaska would run a similar risk if they carried pot into locations overseen by the federal government, such as national parks or federal courthouses. In fact, the federal government controls more of the land in those states than it does in Washington, D.C. Then again, the patchwork of areas patrolled by federal law enforcement agencies in the nation's capital may pose special challenges.

One way in which Initiative 71 differs from the first phase of Amendment 64 is its treatment of cannabis consumption outside the home. "Consumption that is conducted openly and publicly" remains a petty offense under Colorado law, leading to much dispute about how to construe that phrase, which some jurisdictions, including Denver, read to ban marijuana use pretty much everywhere outside of private residences. Initiative 71, by contrast, says "nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit any person, business, corporation, organization or other entity, or district government agency or office, who or which occupies, owns or controls any real property, from prohibiting or regulating the possession, consumption, use, display, transfer, distribution, sale, transportation or growing of marijuana on or in that property."

In the absence of an explicit ban on public marijuana use, that provision seems to let business owners decide for themselves whether to allow cannabis consumption on their property. D.C. Council Member David Grosso, author of the marijuana regulation bill that the District was considering before Congress ordered it to stop, told the Post he recently asked Mayor Muriel Bowser "what happens when a restaurant or a club has a smoking section outdoors and people light up" but did not get an answer. Given what Initiative 71 says, it seems to me that pot smoking should be allowed anywhere tobacco smoking is allowed, while other forms of cannabis consumption should be permitted in a wider range of settings, subject to the owner's approval.

In a column last month, I explained why the anti-drug rider that Congress passed in December does not stop Initiative 71 from taking effect.

NEXT: Washington Senate Approves Marijuana Bill Combining Medical and Recreational Industries

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  1. Let’s not smoke our joints before they’re rolled…

  2. Maybe not chaos, but definitely anarchy. Anarchy!

  3. Can We Expect ‘Chaos’ When Pot Becomes Legal in D.C. Next Week?

    Yes. Which is why I’m arming myself:

    http://www.spearfishingplanet……ngshot-jpg

    1. surely they won’t allow that AND marijuana to be legal in the same area.

    2. FYTW is nation-wide? Is that a H&R original meme or did someone drag it here?

      1. I don’t know. I was reading a story that said they believe King Richard was killed with a halberd or something similar and when I looked up halberd on Google image (because I had no idea) this was one of the first images.

        1. Know Your Meme and Urban Dictionary weigh in. I’ve seen it outside H&R. Not sure of the origin.

          1. There’s a pubk song from the early 90s that’s the earliest reference I can find.

  4. I saw Refer Madness. I know what happens when you let people have that devil weed.

    1. A Dorito shortage?

      1. Manic piano playing.

  5. In the absence of an explicit ban on public consumption, that provision seems to let business owners decide for themselves whether to allow cannabis consumption on their property.

    The horror.

    The HORROR.

  6. Must be Weed Day at Reason. Was it Ass Sex or Mexicans Day on Friday?

    1. Friday is always ass sex. Except in Mexico.

      1. that’s called a donkey, and it’s only in Tijuana.

        1. I thought “donkey” meant ass, in Ebonics.

          1. You’re confusing it with “Badonkadonk

      2. Ah, thanks – I have trouble keeping this stuff in the right order.

        So Wednesday will be Mexicans and Ass Sex however, no Weed…or is that Thursday? Dammit, I have gone and confuzzled myself again.

  7. Did somebody say KAOS?

    We’re doomed.

  8. U of Wisconsin Progs go full fascist.

    Lane Hall, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, took the microphone and told the restless, angry crowd that democracy cannot work as it currently stands. Lane went on to say there are other systems that America should use, even if history has an extremely negative view of them, prompting rowdy cheers from most in the crowd.

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/21247/

    They want their pony. I wish them luck with creating a dictatorship from their faculty lounges.

    1. “Pay no attention to the past death tolls, really, it’ll work this time!”

      Are these people psychopaths or just utterly retarded?

      1. Both. I am not sure what is more impressive, their stupidity or their evil.

      2. Retarded.

        Think about it. Even Tulpa was able to come up with a gumption to find a job in the private sector. These people lack even that.

        1. Without question, if a real dictator ever comes along, these idiots will jump right on board. Whoever that is, it won’t be these morons.

        2. Well, we don’t know if Tulpa actually did, he’s a proven liar, so how can you believe anything he said?

      3. I’d go with stupid. Remember what Yuri Bezmenov said about these folks, they’re useful idiots for when the Revolution comes, to be used by smarter, amoral people.

        Lane Hall would end up in a kangaroo court for anti-revolutionary activities pretty damn quickly.

        1. He would end up there eventually yes but not before he happily sent thousands of other people to their deaths.

          1. Please, you assume he’s competent enough to manage that shit. The best this guy could do is low ranking Party member. The folks who get to the top in those structures are the ones with the animal cunning and ambition. A Beria would crush him easily, hell even a Kirov.

            1. You don’t have to be competent to go up in the party. You just have to be committed and willing to take orders. This guy would happily do that. He also probably has a feral sense of survival that would allow him to inform on others without guilt.

            2. Low ranking party member and informer on any wreckers and sabateurs he comes across. I doubt a shitheel like him would be willing to actually get his hands dirty, he’ll just be a snitch. Which is how he’ll end up against a wall too: someone with more ambition will rat him out for “impure ideology.”

          2. Hopefully, the 2nd will kick in first.

        2. Lane Hall would end up in a kangaroo court for anti-revolutionary activities pretty damn quickly.

          And he’ll be completely shocked, SHOCKED I tell you, when he ends up with his back against the wall.

          “Not me, you idiots! You were supposed to round up all thos right-wing wreckers and kulaks, not good progressives such as myself!!!!”

      4. Are these people psychopaths or just utterly retarded?

        How can this be? They all have COLLEGE DEGREES!!11!!! Even ADVANCED DEGREES!!11!!

        1. It can’t be. Bo told me so.

        2. Lane Hall’s degrees:
          MFA, Print and Book Arts, UW-Madison, 1991
          BA, English, Colorado College, 1978

          So, was it the BA in English or the MFA in “print and book arts” that gave him his insights on democracy?

          1. Maybe it was the 13 years it took him to earn a MFA?

            “Lane, I’ve been going to this high school for seven and a half years. I’m no dummy.”

            1. Hey there Epi,

              I know I haven’t been a commenter on Reason for very long or anything, but I noticed that you weren’t going out with that Beth girl anymore….

            2. I wonder how many French girls he tried to put his testicles tentacles all over in that time.

              1. Gee, I’m really sorry your mom blew up, Ricky. Guess she won’t be able to eat any spicy foods for a while.

          2. How the fuck do you get a professorship with just an MFA?

            1. It’s pretty much the terminal degree in art because original works dont satisfy the PhD requirement of adding to the canon of human knowledge. You’d have to be a critic of Fine Arts, technically. Whixh would be useless as an Ed. D.

            2. If I’m reading his faculty page correctly, he’s a full professor.

              Are you fucking kidding me?

              1. Wow, it’s pretentious all the way down.

                1. And may I mention the absolute awfulness of the “art”?

    2. These people are malignant. How many dead individuals would it take to satisfy their lust for blood?

      1. All the correct ones, obviously.

      2. How many dead individuals would it take to satisfy their lust for blood?

        How many virgins does it take to satisfy the volcano god? It’s pretty much the same question. You can’t create utopia on the corpses of dissenters any better than you can stop a volcano by throwing virgins into it.

    3. Talk about ripping off the mask, throwing it into a trashcan, dousing it with lighter fluid and tossing in a lit match. Jesus titty-fucking Christ.

    4. To (fairly loosely) paraphrase George Orwell:

      There are certain special kinds of retardation so absurd that only an intellectual would believe them; a guy talking to himself in an alleyway would listen to an intellectual and say, “wow, that’s stupid!”

      1. Exception: An intellectual sometimes comes up with a bad idea and misleads some members of the general public – often with a plausible paraphrase which isn’t *quite* as stupid as the original idea.

        That’s why some non-intellectuals can get duped into believing Marxism or such rot. Or at least they can be duped into believing that Marxists Care About The People.

        To paraphrase Thomas Sowell (very loosely), intellectuals succeed based on how clever they formulate their ideas, and how much those ideas appeal to the prejudiced of fellow-intellectuals, or even sometimes the general public. If an entrepreneur has an idea which doesn’t work in the real world, he tends to go bankrupt. If an intellectual has an idea which doesn’t work in the real world, he gets a department chairmanship, or even in some cases gets elected to office.

    5. So, they lost an election when Walker won. Then they lost the recall election and he got to stay in the governor’s mansion.

      They are in the minority. This means that democracy is not working. They need other means of bending the majority of people to their will.

      I used to think it couldn’t happen here. Then the Patriot Act was passed. Obama got elected. Shit like this happens on a daily basis. I am not so sure anymore.

      1. Thank Christ we have all the guns.

        1. Yes, but they seem to believe the the combined powers of magical law and the full force of the state can counteract that.

      2. They lost the recall election, and then Walker won reelection last year. So three losses.

    6. How do you get to be professor without a PhD and any refereed journal articles?!

      1. Woops, should have read your post before asking the same question. Sorry.

    7. What the fucking fuckity fucking shit is this fucking shit? Fuck this cunt. Fuck everyone who doesn’t tar and feather her the moment she opens her fat cunt fucking mouth. Fuck.

      1. Now who can argue with that? I think we’re all indebted to Warty for clearly stating what needed to be said. I’m particularly glad that these lovely children were here today to hear that speech. Not only was it authentic Reasonoid vehemence, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

        1. Harrumph

          1. Florida Man is right about Charles Easterly being right!

            1. THE PROFESSOR IS A N*BONG*

    8. Question: Is there an actual quote from Lane Hall? The only direct quotes I see from Hall are him saying they would shut the school down if their demands are not met.

      That’s scummy as fuck in and of itself, but the statement that ‘there are other systems America should use’ seems like the College Fix’s paraphrase, and I’m kind of hesitant to believe he actually said something that horrible until I see an actual quote specifically from him.

      1. Although I was actually in Madison during the Walkerite invasion when they eliminated collective bargaining, so I do believe a university worker could be this much of a shithead.

        There were some fucked up people at those protests.

          1. I googled that just now – apparently that’s nothing but some annoying art collective that whines about Walker.

            1. Oh Jesus Christ, these guys are the worst.

              “Some suggested that this was not-to-subtle intimidation. I disagreed, explaining that they were spectators trapped in authoritarian roles yet inspired by our demonstration of citizen engagement, enthused about our exhibited Situationist paradigm of performativity within the contested and liminal zones of public space.”

              1. enthused about our exhibited Situationist paradigm of performativity within the contested and liminal zones of public space

                These words all have meanings, but are incoherent when placed together. First, paradigm is used incorrectly. The “performativity” is not the exhibited Situationist paradigm, it is merely a an exhibited characteristic of said paradigm, assuming that performativity is even a rigorously defined word and not some bullshit neologism.

                This airhead should just say “they were excited about us showing how people receive personality traits from society.” This pseudo-intellectualism is more about intellectual insecurity than about actual intelligence.

              2. This dude has perfected his Oswald Bates impersonation.

          2. OLB = Old Liberal Bastard?

    9. Maybe he’s right. Look at the dorks who get elected.

    10. Many are probably thinking “socialism” or “communism”, but what they have in mind really is fascism. I wonder when one will be hones enough to call it that?

  9. Weed will be legal but smoking will be prohibited in all public places, because SCIENCE!!

  10. http://www.washingtonexaminer……le/2559737

    Funny map showing the correlation between retards who don’t vaccinate their kids and marijuana dispensaries in LA. The drug warriors just need to fabricate a few studies showing marijuana cause upper class white kids to be born retarded and the efforts at legalizing the stuff will be doomed.

  11. Was it Ass Sex or Mexicans Day on Friday?

    Heart Shaped Ass Day- in honor of St Valentine.

    1. “Heart Shaped Ass Day”

      Can we have that more than once a year, plz?

      1. So, everyday in Brazil?

      2. sometimes a man just wants to experience a bit bottom.

  12. Well, from what I’ve heard about Colorado. One of tge biggest issues is goi g to be with banks not wanting to do business with them due to concerns about the feds. This causes huge security issues in having to handle all that cash, issues getting lines of credit, capitalization issues, etc.

    1. The biggest issue is every pot head bum showing up to take advantage. That will however become less of a problem as more and more states do this.

      1. I can’t imagine why anyone would travel all that far just to score weed when its widely available everywhere. Your pot heads certainly wouldn’t need to.

        1. There were a ton of them who showed up in Colorado.

          1. CO did see record tourism in 2013, but I’m not sure how much of that was from pot tourism, considering the first commercial pot business didn’t open until 2014.

            Summer of 2014 was good too, but again, not sure how much of that is from potheads.

            1. Pot tourism is just tourism. Why complain about people who come to your city, spend money all over the place (including at the local weed shop), and go home?

              The implication, of course, is that these are no-account bums. But if you’re worried about bums, maybe you shouldn’t incentivize them with a panoply of benefits and programs?

              http://www.denversroadhome.org/

              It would help, of course, if there were more bums, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

              The 2014 Point-In-Time findings include:

              Continued downward decline in the number of veterans experiencing homelessness

              No significant change in chronically homeless numbers

              Households with children are majority of HUD defined homeless (53%) and at-risk (65%)

              http://mdhi.org/downloads/

              1. Pot tourism is just tourism. Why complain about people who come to your city, spend money all over the place (including at the local weed shop), and go home?

                Not complaining at all, just pointing out that while tourism has increased in CO, its connection to legal weed isn’t really known. If they want to come here, toke up a bit and chill out for a few days that’s fine by me.

      2. Every pothead bum already has a source wherever they live, the last thing they need to do is spend a bunch of money to go to another state to get some that they can only smoke there anyway.

        1. They seem to have converged on Colorado. Colorado was on the ass end of a lot of bums showing up. It was the wages of being the first to do it. Now every state that does it will have less of a problem with it.

          Understand, bums don’t care. They will anywhere they think will allow them to sponge easier.

          1. In my experience, you get the same basic experience holding a Grateful Dead concert.

            1. A never-ending Phish concert is my vision of the 9th circle of Hell.

          2. What do you mean by “bums”? Actual vagrants, or just a bunch of crunchy looking people?

    2. There is also the fact that the people who didn’t want it in the first place trying to kill it with regulations. Particulary with things like labeling especially labeling edibles. Of course all those regulations will require capital to implement, see banking issue above.

  13. How many dead individuals would it take to satisfy their lust for blood?

    Don’t be melodramatic. They have only the best intentions, and merely wish all men to be happy. Those who would thwart their plans have no one but themselves to blame when they are swept from the path of human progress.

    1. They have only the best intentions…

      Not for me, and not for you. I know most of us agree when it comes to people like this, but holy shit, when i look at those people all I see is the mob baying for blood.

  14. Every pothead bum already has a source wherever they live, the last thing they need to do is spend a bunch of money to go to another state to get some that they can only smoke there anyway.

    SHHHHHHH.

    Don’t muddle the narrative. Those lazy doper bums will travel hundreds and hundreds of miles just to smoke dope and collect welfare, just like the Central Americans who trudge through the desert wastelands of the Southwest in order to sit around and watch Maury Povitch.

    1. DAVE’S NOT HERE MAN

      1. I’ve got a weekly meeting that includes a guy named Dave. Whenever he’s not in I announce myself on the conference call with “[my location], Dave’s not here.” So far no one added “man” to it or otherwise indicated they get the joke. Squares.

        1. Just play this for them next time.

          1. Thanks, but I prefer being employed.

    2. It was all over the news Brooks

      However, the benefits of legal weed have not been without consequences for Colorado.
      Homeless youth flocking to Colorado to smoke weed without consequence was an unexpected consequence of the legalization. This has resulted in the flooding of the state’s already strained homeless shelters.
      According to an article in The Denver Post, while the typical population of Colorado’s shelters fits in the 35-60 age range, this summer has seen a much larger influx of people aged 18-25 year-olds.

      http://www.thedaonline.com/opi…..01ff1.html

      I don’t write the news, I just read it. I wish I could live in Brooks land and pretend everything always fits the narrative. But I just can’t.

      1. Its funny, though, that the actual homeless “load” in metro Denver, at least, doesn’t seem to be going up, as the metro Denver homeless initiative reports no increase in the chronically homeless.

        http://mdhi.org/downloads/

        1. They probably left for California when they realized that it gets really cold in the winter.

    3. At the same time, video game and Cheerios sales skyrocket. This marijuana legislation is all Big Cheerios’ doing!

  15. “There will be chaos! Rivers of blood in the streets!”

    1. Cats and dogs, living together.

      Mass hysteria.

      1. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

  16. A bunch of people trying to get stoned and getting stoned = chaos? That’ll be the day. Obviously the author of the WaPo article (and/or the editor) has never been stoned.

    1. “Look, all I’m saying is if you still wanna smoke pot then be prepared to spend a lot of time laughing with your friends.”

  17. I’ve made $64,000 so far this year working online and I’m a full time student. I’m using an online business opportunity I heard about and I’ve made such great money. It’s really user friendly and I’m just so happy that I found out about it. Heres what I’ve been doing,
    …. http://www.wixjob.com

    1. Rubbish – we all know you are selling ganja!

  18. I predict a shortage of hacky sacks at local retailers.

    1. A blast from the… future Washington Post (March 1, 2015)!

      “Chaos has Ensued in the Entire Hackey Sack Distribution Network for the DC Area; Hippies Overworked”

  19. Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’, get those bloggers trollin’…

    “It could hardly be clearer, then: Governments are instituted in order to secure rights that are God-given. And faith in divinely given rights is a consistent theme not only of the founders but of nearly every president. John F. Kennedy, in his inaugural address, crystalized the point this way: “Yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe?the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.”

    “But the person who most often tied the story and meaning of America to the self-evident truths of the Declaration was our greatest president, Abraham Lincoln….”

    (from Commentary magazine)

    http://ow.ly/J9k9O

  20. Trollin’, trollin’, trollin’, get those bloggers trollin’…

    “It could hardly be clearer, then: Governments are instituted in order to secure rights that are God-given. And faith in divinely given rights is a consistent theme not only of the founders but of nearly every president. John F. Kennedy, in his inaugural address, crystalized the point this way: “Yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe?the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.”

    “But the person who most often tied the story and meaning of America to the self-evident truths of the Declaration was our greatest president, Abraham Lincoln….”

    (from Commentary magazine)

    http://ow.ly/J9k9O

    1. Uh, hello? Natural Rights? God? Abraham Lincoln?

      You guys are no fun.

      1. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you didn’t want to come out to play.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwwY9y6O3hw

        1. You can’t just go up to a goat farmer and say “hi, I’m a troll, can I eat your goats?”. You have to at least hind under a bridge.

          1. Hide. I’ll show myself out.

            1. I’m glad you’re here. I was concerned for you after reading this earlier:

              Florida Man Arrested With Weed In His Crack And Crack In His Mouth

              http://dailycaller.com/2015/02…..Q2ZTIifQ==

              1. Luckily I had the 40k from selling meth.

          2. Hind under a bridge? I saw some homeless people doing that once. It was ugly.

        2. Not sure what you want us to say. Not sure who you expect to bite on that. Bo? Turdpolisher? I am sure if Tony was around he would.

          I worked with a Hawaiian dude a long time ago. He was sympathetic to the Hawaiian Independence Movement. He went on and on about how Hawaii was for Hawaiians, Americans should leave etc.

          Finally I couldn’t keep my mouth shut so I spent about an hour explaining to the guy that America was for Hawaiians, Hawaii did not belong to America.

          We are the only country in the world not founded on ethnicity, language, religion, race, or geography. We are founded on an idea. We are founded on the idea that people have inherent rights and that government exists to safeguard those rights. Whatever failings America has or has had they are because we did not live up to those ideas.

          If you subscribe to that idea then you are an American. The country belongs to you, not the other way about. I actually converted the guy after a few sessions like that.

          This is why it is so fucking evil to ‘fundamentally transform’ America. The democrat party has lurched so far left that today they would call Kennedy a ‘wingnut’ or a ‘teabagger’. They, the Progressives, have nothing but disdain for the very ideas our country is founded on, the very reasons that we have been so wildly, spectacularly successful. The qualities that make us like no other country on earth. Fuck them.

    2. Hey, Abe Lincoln didn’t have a college degree. Therefore he had no business being President.

  21. I love the way the anti- prop 71 ad basically concedes/assumes that legalization will boost tourism, and asks people to vote against having people come to DC to spend a lot of money there.

    1. vote against having people come to DC to spend a lot of money there.

      Yeah, but not from those people! The horror!

      /faints

      1. I love tourist. They keep the state income tax away. Now if they can get our property taxes eliminated I’ll be happy.

    2. They would prefer to have just the money sent….no people thankee very much.

      1. I grew up in a tourist trap of a town and I can state without equivocation that this is the sincere hope of every resident in such a town.

        Stop fucking up traffic and making us work at shitty menial jobs. Just send the money!

        One of the things that I hate about travel is the very idea that I am a tourist.

        1. Same here, although I still live and work in a tourist town. When I travel I just try not to do the dumb shit I’ve been watching other people do for almost 30 years.

          1. Like this weekend, I was helping my stepdad at the restaurant. “Oh, your party of 4 has turned into a party of 15, on Valentine’s and you didn’t think to call ahead? Sure, I’ll just remove some paying customers for you so I can put some tables together.”

            1. We used to laugh at the Iowegians who showed up in my home town. We would joke that they showed up in a new pair of overalls with a $20 bill tucked into the bib pocket and when they left three days later neither had been changed.

              Oh, and no shit the Iowegians were notorious for asking where they could find a good bull head hole to fish. Here they were surrounded by fantastic fishing for just about any species of fish you could think of and they would go for bull heads. Fuck even the NoDaks were smarter than that.

          2. I know. I wildly over tip and try to avoid driving like too much of an asshole.

            A few years ago I was driving a windy stretch of the highway that goes over the saddle of the Big Island and an old beater car pulled up behind me. I figured that they were locals who had somewhere to go so I pulled over at the next spot I could and let them pass.

            I was so proud when they honked and both of them gave me the shaka out the car windows. My wife didn’t understand what I was doing and I had to explain to her how frustrated locals get with tourista driving.

            1. I know the road. Was just there 2 months ago.

              1. It was a really cool drive. Once people were past me, I totally drove like a fucking tourist. Slow and gawking at all the scenery.

                I almost drove off the road when I ran across a big flock of wild turkeys. I had no idea that they even existed and it took me a while to even process what I was seeing (despite the fact that you see them everywhere in Minnesoda now).

                http://www.hawaiilife.com/arti…..come-from/

    3. You want traffic to be worse?

    4. Remember, Florida towns tried very successfully to run off college kids and bikers because their money was worth less than snowbirds or something. There’s no bottom to stupid.

      1. Daytona use to be cool man. What happened?
        /the town decided to “clean up” and killed spring break

        1. This is one of those cyclical things. Tourists get out of control for a while, so the town decides to crack down and become a “family” destination. Eventually the rowdies are run off and only families come to visit.

          Then the locals see that family vacations tend to stay within budget and don’t spend nearly as much as a horde of drunken louts. The regulations start to slip and you are once again on your way to out of control ville.

          1. Daytona use to be a Mecca for spring breakers. Other than the races I don’t hear anyone really talk about going to Daytona any more. Dumb.

            1. Even Bike Week is moving down the east coast. Who doesn’t like drunken bikers and girls with fake tits and low standards?

              1. girls with fake tits and low standards?

                Awwww yeeaaahhh !

                1. Fake tits? Low standards?

                  What about the bad tattoos, huh?

            2. Even ‘the donkey that saved Spring Break’ couldn’t save Daytona.

          2. See: Las Vegas during the mid-90’s.

        2. Palm Springs used to be crazy too. Sonny Bono ruined that. He outlawed the thong bikini.

          1. Banned the thong bikini? I did not know this.

            It wasn’t a skiing accident after all. It is clear that he was assassinated as revenge for that inhuman act.

  22. The best thing that could happen is if everyone in congress gets too stoned to do anything.

    1. They really ought to just turn the House and Senate chambers into giant hot boxes.

  23. I couldn’t sleep the other night so I turned on the TV. A documentary was on about Sidney Bernstein and Alfred Hitchcock’s movie entitled ‘Night Will Fall’. If you don’t know what that is it is a full length movie documenting the liberation of a number of Nazi concentration camps with very graphic footage. In fact, the entire movie is stunningly graphic. It is a horror that defies belief. I have seen some pretty bad shit firsthand in my day and even for me it was tough to watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbB9NCYzQVU

    One note of interest were the scenes where German locals were forced to tour the camps. They filmed these specifically so that there was a recording of the people seeing the camps. They could not deny later on that they knew anything about what went on. I was struck by how many of the locals showed indifference, smugness and defiance on their faces. I am not sure if their attitudes were because they were just fine with the camps, or if it came from their own self delusion to keep from taking any responsibility. A few broke down, but most had ‘FUCK YOU’ written on their faces.

    Everyone should see that film. Over time events like that fade into the abstract. That movie reminds just how real it is. Perhaps they could have a special showing at University of Wisconsin. If the students at UofW had any brains they would take Lane Hall out and beat the vile motherfucker within an inch of his life.

    1. I was struck by how many of the locals showed indifference, smugness and defiance on their faces.

      You can’t keep something like that totally secret and without some local approval.

      1. Yes. Yet they swore to a man that they had no idea what was going on in the camps. That was why they were forced to tour and filmed doing it.

        1. I’m sure some of them were telling the truth, and the smug ones weren’t the honest ones.

        2. Everyone in Germany knew people were disappearing, they knew there were camps, and the ones who lived anywhere near the camps knew what the camps smelled like. Everyone knew what was happening, whether they admitted it to themselves or not.

          1. and the ones who lived anywhere near the camps knew what the camps smelled like

            Good point. Some things can’t be totally hidden. I live near an egg farm. Even though I can’t see it, when the wind is right the stench of chicken shit is practically unbearable. At least since the new owners took over it doesn’t smell like ammonia anymore. I don’t want to imagine what one of those camps smelled like.

          2. A recent study on genocide showed that most of the people who actually do the wet work treated it as a just a job, and went home at the end of their shifts to help their kids with the homework, etc.

            This wasn’t secret. Why should it be? Nobody, but nobody, involved was ashamed of what they were doing.

            1. A recent study on genocide showed that most of the people who actually do the wet work treated it as a just a job, and went home at the end of their shifts to help their kids with the homework, etc.

              Maybe, but I think you might be incorrect. I’ve read stuff where Einsatzgruppe officers are complaining that their men get burnt out and become mental wrecks after murdering all day, every day for long enough. I think it takes a special kind of psycho to be able to handle genocide-scale murder.

              1. I’m trying to turn up the book review (?) I read on this in the WSJ (?). Not turning it up. Very interesting, though.

                1. I’m trying to think of where I read my thing, too. No luck. Might have been Cheka murderers, now that I think about it.

              2. I’ve read stuff where Einsatzgruppe officers are complaining that their men get burnt out and become mental wrecks after murdering all day, every day for long enough.

                I’ve heard that as well. That’s one of the reasons they went to gas chambers and other more efficient way of killing. Some people just couldn’t shoot helpless people all day without losing their minds.

                1. I’ve read stuff where Einsatzgruppe officers are complaining that their men get burnt out and become mental wrecks after murdering all day, every day for long enough.

                  I’ve heard that as well. That’s one of the reasons they went to gas chambers and other more efficient way of killing. Some people just couldn’t shoot helpless people all day without losing their minds.

                  I would have guessed the opposite. I would think shooting the first one would be the hardest and the 10,000th the easiest.

                  1. I would have guessed the opposite. I would think shooting the first one would be the hardest and the 10,000th the easiest.

                    There are probably some who are like that. If you think about it, people slaughter animals all the time and don’t go insane. As anybody who has watched or participated in killing and dressing an animal knows, it’s not exactly a clean process.

                    Granted, there is a giant leap from bopping rabbits on the back of the head with a hammer and shooting innocent people.

            2. the people who actually do the wet work treated it as a just a job

              A while back when I was a waiter, a waitress I worked with talked about her dad being a cop. I mumbled something and she retorted “It’s just a job!” in defense.

              A few years later I passed her in a stairway at college, and she noticed my CAC card had slipped out of my shirt. Mistaking it for some sort of a badge, she said “POWER… YEAH!” while doing a fist pump.

              So much for “Just a job.”

            3. That was discussed in the film, how the camps had worked their way into the economy of the country. High ranking SS officers owned companies that had contracts for clothing, food, supplies and labor and harvesting gold, hair, belongings, tissue from the victims. There was a lot of money in it for cronies. If the war had not put a stop to it genocide would have been a permanent fixture. It would have spread worldwide if Germany had won.

              Really, the scenes in Lord of the Rings where Sauron conquers the Shire pale in comparison to what really happened, much less what could have happened. It is impossible to fictionalize just how bad it was because I think when you are making shit up you get to some point where you think you are over the line, that that isn’t believable.

              The evil of it is just staggering. Add that to what the Soviets did and what Mao, Pol Pot etc did and that quip ‘socialism killed 100M people in the 20th century’ is only an abstraction because the mind can’t really comprehend the true evil of it.

              1. What, like until there’d’ve been just one person left standing? Eventually you run out of people to kill, unless you farm them specifically for killing.

        3. Yet they swore to a man that they had no idea what was going on in the camps

          Never underestimate people’s capacity for self delusion.

          “Surely they wouldn’t actually be killing people by the thousands over there at that camp! The fact that when the wind blows from the right direction you can smell death coming from the camp is just coincidence!”

          “Surely our government isn’t actually section 215 of the PATRIOT Act to spy on every American…”

          1. “Surely our government isn’t actually section 215 of the PATRIOT Act to spy on every American…”

            And they are still telling themselves this even after Top.Men. are repeatedly caught lying out of one side of their mouth and demanding that it continue out of the other side.

            The docile sheep attitude is infuriating to me.

            1. It’s not just the docile sheep attitude, it’s the naked partisanship. If Obama was an EVUL RETHUGLIKKKAN they’d be screaming bloody murder over that shit.

    2. Sounds like the feel good hit of the year.

      Seriously, I’ve seen some of the footage, I know in the abstract about man’s inhumanity to man, but, dear God…

    3. I’ll have to watch it when the wife is not around.

      1. That is the only reason I was able to see it. Mine was sleeping.

        Honestly, knowing her, I don’t want her to see it. Abstract is good enough for her.

        1. My wife can’t stand in pretend cruelty. I can only imagine how she would react to the real thing.

        2. It’s good enough for me as well. It’s not going to give me nightmares or anything like that, but it can’t be unseen. Some things I would rather not see.

          1. For example I don’t watch Tosh.O anymore. Some things I would rather not see.

            1. I stopped watching Tosh.0 after he showed a still photo of that Louisville basketball player’s broken leg a couple of years ago. I had steadfastly avoided any video or photos of that shit (the description was plenty for me) until that S.O.B flashed it up on screen at the end of an episode. Fucker.

        3. Same here, Suthen. I’ll watch it one of these days. Mrs. Dean is fine without seeing it.

    4. They will say that fascism and Nazism are totally different. It won’t even begin to dent their delusion.

      1. You see, mass murder is more acceptable and just when you kill all kinds of people and don’t just focus on select minority groups.

  24. I’ve been talking to a few people who live in DC about this. What they are basically telling me is that they are fine if there are no shops because the prices in the shops will be too high and they’ll get it cheaper on the street.

    I think that would dispel any notion of an increase in tourism, though. I mean what do you do, take the metro down and walk around with a sign that says ‘I want weed, please someone sell me some!’?

    1. There’s a lot of people out there who for whatever reasons don’t have a gateway to the black market. I always got my weed at work, and when I left the restaurant biz I had a long dry spell before I discovered one of my neighbors smoked. If I had never learned that, and they made the stuff legal but overpriced, I’d try the legal stuff anyway. Only because I wouldn’t have anywhere else to get it.

      1. This is my situation. My supply is about to move away, and while I know some people who have medical cards I don’t really feel comfortable asking them. One of the things that I *love* about legalization is the idea that you no longer have to be cool enough or know the right people; it won’t be such a cultural thing anymore, which, I gathered from the anti-prop 19 campaign, is a really big deal for some users/dealers.

      2. “I always got my weed at work, and when I left the restaurant biz I had a long dry spell before I discovered one of my neighbors smoked. If I had never learned that, and they made the stuff legal but overpriced, I’d try the legal stuff anyway. Only because I wouldn’t have anywhere else to get it.”

        *nod*

        My life story.

    2. There is something good about just having open retail sales. But I honestly think that the situation in DC (assuming it works out as Sullum described it) is probably the best that you could hope for in a lot of ways. I guess Colorado is doing pretty well, but there is still a lot of regulation. I think this is a better starting point on the road to legalization. People will see that it’s not a huge deal and I think that will smooth the transition to legal sales and perhaps even moderate the demads for regulation.

      1. Wouldn’t it be too ironic, if that would happen, that it would be in of all places, DC?

  25. “Homeless Advocates” push a narrative which supports their pleas for more money (and stokes the fires of prohibitionism). Why would I question that?

    If you told me there were people coming to Colorado in the mistaken belief they could “just” hang out a shingle and be Pot Entrepreneurs (much as people have been striking out for the Bakken oil fields) and have then found` that to be harder than they believed, I might believe it. But this “plague of locusts” narrative leaves me… skeptical.

    1. Especially since the only source of data, rather than anecdote, shows no increase in “chronic” (I know, I know) homelessness.

      1. And it is not impossible that the editorial point of view of some newspapers might influence the slant of reporting on certain issues.

    2. Plague of roaches, maybe?

  26. OT: “Impossibly Great American Dream” not for all:

    http://www.pghlesbian.com/2015…..by-father/

    Her father’s attempts to cover up the murderous attack took a bizarre turn when he told police that Bri was in a cult, implying the cult was responsible for the non-existent robbery. Local activists believe the elder Golec may have been referencing the transgender community. They are hopeful that the police will consider Bri’s gender identity in their investigation.

    Bri Golec is the 6th transgender individual to die a violent death in 2015. She is the 5th transgender woman to be murdered in Ohio since 2013 along with Cemia Acoff, Betty Skinner, Brittany Kidd-Stergis, and Tiffany Edwards. Another trans woman, Candice Milligan, was brutally attacked in Toledo.

    1. My experience with trannies is that they tend to run in pretty sketchy/dysfunctional circles generally (with some exceptions), so a higher rate of crime victimization wouldn’t surprise me.

      1. “My experience with trannies is that they tend to run in pretty sketchy/dysfunctional circles generally (with some exceptions), so a higher rate of crime victimization wouldn’t surprise me.”

        ^This.

        I know two of them and unsurprisingly they are in and out of trouble all of the time. Their personal lives are train wrecks.

        Again, I will point out that transgenderism is only symptom of a very deep problem.

    2. Judging by the name and this happening East Ohio / West PA, I bet I’m distant inlaws with this poor kid.

      1. Isn’t everybody out that way related, anyway?

        1. Ohio is Einstein Country: Everything’s relative.

    3. I wonder how many of these murders are potential lovers who recognized that “down there” isn’t exactly what was expected. Not that it at all justifies or excuses murder, but it’s rough to be a transsexual looking for sex, especially when they’re not up front about their sexual identity. A lot of people (especially guys) get violent when they find out.

      1. I doubt that many, actually. If you’re a passable TS looking for sex, there’s a sizable fetish audience that would place a premium on that. Transgenderism may be a symptom of a deeper disorder, but I doubt many transgender folks are delusional/stupid enough to think they can get a random sexual partner to ignore their genitalia.

    4. Just leaving this here for consideration. I don’t, as a general rule, presume to dictate Reason’s editorial policy but that Bruce Jenner article really just didn’t sit well. It was on the same plane as a boozy, maudlin toast from someone you hadn’t seen in 20 years and didn’t know all that well to begin with.

      I thought something like this would balance the scales a bit.

      1. I missed the Jenner article, but I don’t understand why this is news at all. I haven’t seen any journalism about him (her?) that explains why I should give a shit in the slightest.

        1. It is national news because his stepdaughter once filmed herself having sex with and then getting peed on by a C-movie level rapper. Or something.

        2. Oh, I can’t think of a specific, “Monkeysphere” reason why you, personally, should care for either.

          I think that Nick’s “Being A Tranny is Smiles and Sunshine” was a tad too simplistic and needed a counterbalance.

  27. Now we know where Warty gets his uber-genius powers:

    Weights keep brain nimble, research suggests

    Geriatrician Maria Fiatarone Singh, the study’s chief investigator, said weight training stimulated hormones that promoted muscle growth. “It’s possible these hormones are also having similar benefits for brain function,” Singh said.

    One hundred participants did six months of weight training and showed a significant lift in overall cognitive function especially in planning, organising, strategising and visual memory.

    The gains were still there a year after the training finished. “The next step is to see how long this lasts and who benefits most from such exercise,” Singh said.

    1. Yup. The true benefits of the Iron are in the mind.

    1. Am listening to TOOL right now. 10000 Days.

  28. I don’t know if this has been posted yet, but it deserves repeating even if it has:

    THE BATFE IS CONSIDERING A CHANGE OF EXEMPTION THAT WOULD BAN THE MANUFACTURE, IMPORT, AND SALE OF M855 5.56mm BALL AMMUNITION. This is currently the most widely available inexpensive “mil-surp” ammunition in 5.56mm.

    IF YOU GIVE A SHIT ABOUT FIREARMS RIGHTS START BITCHING *LOUDLY* NOW

    Link to batfucker proposal.

    1. It’s a petty fuck-you to gun nuts. Nothing new. It’s the same as the US parts requirements on imported guns.

      1. It’s a petty fuck-you to gun nuts.

        BITCH ANYWAY!

        I was pissed when they bastards banned 7N6 5.45mm. This is a bridge too fucking far.

    2. Great… here comes another ammunition shortage. I still need to get a “tactical” weapon for my prepper stash. I only have a “big game” weapon and a “small game” weapon.

      I was hoping to wait until supply caught back up on the ammo before pulling the trigger on an AR-15. No point in owning one if you can only find 2 boxes of ammunition for it.

    3. Good thing I have 2 crates of Lake City M855 in the garage.

      1. *headsmack*

        I thought you said you lost that in a tragic canoe accident?

        1. Possession is still legal. Otherwise, yeah, bottom of the lake in a tragic canoe accident.

    4. No matter how many times the American people tell them where they stand on the issue of guns they keep trying to sneak around that and disarm us.

      I think it speaks volumes about their desires and intentions. They are NOT to be trusted.

    5. Yeah, I need to check the market for .308. My SHTF tool is a battle rifle, not one of your little “assault” popguns.

      1. Cool story, gramps.

  29. Initiative 71, like Colorado’s Amendment 64, allows any adult to transfer up to an ounce to another adult “without remuneration,” but it’s not clear exactly what that means.

    Actually, its pretty clear. If I give you anything of value, in cash or in kind, in exchange for pot, then its remuneration for pot.

    If I help you with your grow in exchange for pot, its remuneration.

    The gray areas might pop around the pot tourism packages, where you pay for a set of goods and services that includes pot. I think that’s also “remuneration” in exchange for pot, myself, but you might be able to do a form-over-substance thing where the pot is “free”. Be a tough sell, though.

  30. Gotta love the fine print in these things. “That 4th plant looks mature. Down on the ground, dirtbag! Hands behind your head!” WHO CARES?!

    1. This is what happens when you let worthless sociopaths take control of society. People who sit around and think up shit like this are nothing but parasites on civilization.

  31. I say we have to hittem up JD.

    http://www.AnonWeb.cf

  32. my co-worker’s aunt makes $84 every hour on the internet . She has been out of a job for 7 months but last month her pay was $15545 just working on the internet for a few hours. visit this site…………

    ????? http://www.netpay20.com

  33. Who would have thunk that DC, of all places, may end up with the most libertarian pot laws out there. Grow your own, share with friends, no taxes and no cages. Just don’t sell it. I can live with that.

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