Tonight on The Independents: Goodbye, USA Freedom and Keystone Pipeline! Hello, Executive Action, Weird Chinese Censorship, and Ferguson Build-up! Also, Anthony Fisher on Jerusalem Terror, and After-show

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later) begins with a couple of nail-biting Senate votes from this evening: The narrow defeat of an act legalizing the Keystone Pipeline, and of the National Security Agency-reforming USA Freedom Act. Joining to discuss are Party Panelists Charles W. Cooke (National Review) and Joe DeVito (comedian). The duo will also chew on the latest in Grubergate.

President Barack Obama is roiling the political waters by threatening massive executive action on immigration; on to chew over the wisdom and legality of that are Tamar Jacoby, president of ImmigrationWorks USA, and Timothy Sandefur, principal attorney of the Pacific Legal Foundation. Beloved Reason TV writer/producer Anthony L. Fisher will talk about the terrorist attacks in Jerusalem, the co-hosts will cogitate on Radley Balko's writing about how cops should prepare for potential riots. And we'll talk about China's weird hangups with The Hunger Games.

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[Irish]

Jonathan Chait's claim about Jonathan Gruber is pure genius. Incidentally, why are Jonathan's always such leftist assholes?

Jonathan Chait

So it's true Gruber designed Obamacare conceptually, also true he played no direct role in writing the law.

Sure he designed it 'conceptually' but he didn't technically write it. Sort of like how Frank Lloyd Wright didn't personally lift a hammer while building his houses, therefore he didn't really build them.

[Sevo]

"Sure he designed it 'conceptually' but he didn't technically write it. Sort of like how Frank Lloyd Wright didn't personally lift a hammer while building his houses, therefore he didn't really build them."

He wasn't the "architect" you see, he was the, uh, well, "draftsman"!
So there!

[John]

Chait also claims Gruber never left Cambridge when Obamacare was being drafted. Sounds nice until someone points out that Gruber is on the White House visitors' log over a dozen times during that period.

Chait makes Tony seem intelligent and even handed by comparison.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

From here on out, the WH visitors' log will be available only via FOIA requests. Which, when incinerated, serve to warm the entire West Wing.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

The denials are hilariously desperate.

I assume it's all purposeful preaching to the faithful, they can't believe for a nanosecond that anyone else is actually buying any of this bullshit.

[Sevo]

The Chron has a token non-proggy columnist: Deborah Saunders.
The Chron finally printed Gruber's name this morning. In her column.

[Knarf Yenrab!]

They're waiting for it to blow over and the media to move to the next story. DC politicians have perfected the art of timely shamelessness.

[GILMORE]

WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

I DO NOT KNOW THIS NAME. WHAT IS THAT OVER THERE? LOOK, SHINY THING

[Sevo]

Commie-kid went so far as to claim it wasn't as bad as BOOOOOOOSH's war, as if that amounted to some logic.

[Irish]

Japanese internment wasn't as bad as the Holocaust so it's totally okay.

[Sevo]

And therefore FDR wasn't at fault!

[GILMORE]

So I strangled a few hookers = at least i'm not Jeffrey Dahmer, and *eating* them.

[AlmightyJB]

I think the white house would be better off just saying this about the whole thing.

http://youtu.be/zOXtWxhlsUg

[Fist of Etiquette]

...the co-hosts will cogitate on Radley Balko's writing about how cops should prepare for potential riots.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... no Balko himself? And whatever happened to that weekly Balko segment I promised myself?

[Irish]

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut... no Balko himself? And whatever happened to that weekly daily Balko segment I promised myself?

If you're going to promise yourself things that aren't going to happen, you might as well dream big.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

How I stopped worrying and learned to love the pipeline.

Other than that, I'm fine thanks.

[Pro Libertate]

It's okay. I'm issuing a citizen's order authorizing the pipeline. What, it's not one jot less legal than Obama's latest EO threat.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Obasoporano.

[DEG]

For some reason, Jonathan Gruber reminds me of Grubitz but without the animal cunning.

[PapayaSF]

I keep thinking of Hans Gruber in Die Hard. And these days: What do you mean, you've never heard of me? I was your advisoooooooooor....!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Today in delicious irony: Lakota Indians in Senate Gallery break into chant as Elizabeth Warren votes no on Keystone pipeline

Seconds after Sen. Elizabeth Warren announced that the "aye" votes approving Keystone XL project fell just short of the 60 vote threshold, a Native American chant broke out in the gallery, celebrating the Senate's rejection of the controversial crude oil pipeline.

The man who began the chant reportedly came from the Lakota tribe:

After he completed his singing, much to the chagrin of Warren (who called for the sergeant-at-arms to remove all hecklers), a group of protestors began chanting about the Senate Democrats who voted in favor of the pipeline.

All of the people who interrupted the proceedings were eventually escorted out:

Fauxcahontas no lik-um Lakota tribe, she no bury hatchet until many apologies flow.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

With the Gruber revelations, it makes the love for Warren more sense.

Progs LOVE DECEPTION. They crave it. It's who they are inside and outside. A bunch of smug liars.

There.

[Sevo]

I'm sure we can work a peace-pipe in here somehow.

[Pro Libertate]

She also has a very soft skin. The only trouble with snake women is they copulate with horses, which makes them strange to me. She say's she doesn't. That's why I call her "Doesn't Like Horses". But, of course, she's lying.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Josey Wales: Where'd you ever get an idea like that? Besides it ain't supposed to be easy to sneak up behind an Indian

Lone Watie: I'm an Indian, all right; but here in the nation they call us the "civilized tribe". They call us "civilized" because we're easy to sneak up on. White men have been sneaking up on us for years.

[Pro Libertate]

Wish he was still alive. I'd vote for him. In another role, he almost foreclosed on America.

[BigT]

What do you mean we, kemosabe?

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Doctor say, you gonna die.

[John]

Jack Crabb: Grandfather, I have a white wife.
Old Lodge Skins: You do? That's interesting. Does she cook and does she work hard.
Jack Crabb: Yes, Grandfather.
Old Lodge Skins: That surprises me. Does she show pleasant enthusiasm when you mount her?
Jack Crabb: Well sure, Grandfather.
Old Lodge Skins: That surprises me even more. I tried one of them once, but she didn't show any enthusiasm at all.

[Pro Libertate]

If I were in the Senate, I'd enter Chief Dan George quotes into the record after any Warren speech.

[Pro Libertate]

I just re-read Little Big Man and The Return of Little Big Man. I love those books, especially the first. Sucks that Berger died this year.

[John]

Great books I am told. I need to read that. Have only seen the movie, which is awesome.

[Pro Libertate]

The book is far, far superior to the movie, and I like the movie plenty. The book is about the closest thing to a Twain novel written since the old steamboat pilot died.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

The man who began the chant reportedly came from the Lakota tribe

Blonde-haired white guy, but with high cheek bones?

[Sevo]

Ward-somebody, I think.

[Pro Libertate]

Cleaver?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I hope they give Kennedy some Ritalin tonight. Last night's interruptions were exhausting.

[GILMORE]

She snorts it by the kilo and it makes no difference.

It does give her skin that bizarre 'neon-white' sheen however

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Or Nyquil...lots of it.

[Sevo]

That's the reason I let you guys watch it for me.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS GATHER!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

In tribute to Kennedy's style of responding to others' comments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBaWSDhCLPQ

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Always liked that album cover. Rock at its base.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Gather what? BE SPECIFIC!

[GILMORE]

...rosebud(s)....

[Notorious G.K.C.]

So glad you asked!

http://www.giamusic.com/sacred.....ather3.cfm

And here, no kidding, is one of the songs from that collection:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOm1_ta4rGI

[Aloysious]

I wonder what tonight's predictions will be?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

No meta-predictions!

[Aloysious]

I predict that the predictions will be predictably predictable.

[Andrew S.]

My wife informs me that our 5 year old daughter, while getting ready for bed, popped up and said, out of the blue, "Do you know that sometimes, policemen lie?"

*sniff* I'm so proud.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Great parenting job!

Extra points if your wife's reply was, "Fucking pigs, right?"

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Buy her SOMETHING as a reward!

[DEG]

The livestream isn't choppy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Independents - jump, jump for joy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8AyVhs3gJU

[DEG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

[Wasteland Wanderer]

How the fuck were neither of those this?!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM

I also would have accepted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZaz7OqyTHQ

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Kennedy Everdeen.

[PapayaSF]

I really don't get the objection to Keystone XL. OK, there's Lakota NIMBYism, and maybe some libertarian objection to eminent domain (though this seems like a legit use to me; it's not like destroying businesses for the sake of other businesses). The US already has many thousands of miles of oil pipelines, and they seem pretty safe. But what I don't get is that the greens don't seem to acknowledge that stopping the pipeline doesn't stop the oil. It just flows elsewhere, possibly in less safe ways (e.g. by rail). So it's just idiotically symbolic, like blocking one city street and claiming you're "doing something" about global warming, while all the traffic just detours around you to the next street over.

[widget]

I figure if the Keystone pipeline can be stopped due to its potential environmental impact then so could immigration. What's the environmental impact of bringing 3 or 4 new NYC sized populations into the US?

But our overloads want both. More people with less (or more expensive) energy. Why? Not a rhetorical 'Why?", I really don't know.

[PapayaSF]

True, environmentalists rarely object to mass immigration from the Third World, which inevitably boosts carbon emissions. Heck, they are barely bothered by mass Third World immigration to California, despite the fact that we are running out of water.

[Suthenboy]

Why? Poor people are powerless people. Ask yourself, seriously, why would overlords want more people to be powerless.

Really think about it and I think it will come to you.

[widget]

Their heads will be chopped off to the glee of crowds. And heck, I'm OK with billionaires.

[PapayaSF]

OMG NO HOOPS!!!

[Buddy Bizarre]

Naked ears! I feel so dirty...

[Fist of Etiquette]

That shirt.

[PapayaSF]

Why the heck did State and the DoJ hire Gruber? I can understand HHS and the states, but...?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Just some shlub contractor with an opinion, no different from the rest of you peons.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And again he denied it with an oath, "I do not know the man."

[DEG]

Millions of dollars isn't round-off error for the government.

[DEG]

isn't even.

Maybe I should have had a little more alcohol with dinner.

[PapayaSF]

Gruber didn't need Obamacare to "work." What did that matter? He just need to convince people that it would work.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This shit warms my little black heart.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why are there no diehard Obama sycophants on tonight to give counter points on this?

[PapayaSF]

A breakdown in the DNC/Media Matters/OfA/Journolist email system?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

They don't trust anyone to speak without accidentally tying them to Gruber again.

[LarryA]

One "diehard Obama sycophant" broke her leg, and the other one wouldn't go on alone.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Consequence: liberty!

[PapayaSF]

"Freedom Act"? Argh, I hate that sort of self-conscious branding of laws. Even if I like the law.

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Because "people could die", no government defining and, presumably, restricting document need apply.

[DEG]

Fixing the NSA? Just kill the damn thing.

[PapayaSF]

No, they have a real purpose: spying on foreign threats. They just need to stick to that.

[DEG]

Just like the CIA?

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

What about NRO?

[PapayaSF]

Yes, there's some overlap, but the NSA is specifically signals intelligence.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

I'm still fine with killing it and, maybe, starting over. Maybe. In a year or two. If there's room in the budget.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

After we balance the budget?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Exactly, that's my definition of "room in the budget".

[Fist of Etiquette]

Shifting the storage costs from taxpayers to telecomms.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fucking fear mongers.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He wouldn't do it if he didn't think there was some political benefit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's almost as though Jacoby is inside Obama's head.

[GILMORE]

So that's what a Vulcan female looks like

[PapayaSF]

+1

[Heroic Mulatto]

KROYKAH!

[PapayaSF]

Close.

[PapayaSF]

Amnesty is "a trap for Republicans"? Yeah, maybe, but if it ticks off blacks....

[Fist of Etiquette]

They voted with their votes. Literally, that's what they voted with.

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Legal steps?

Hint: It starts with an 'I' and ends with an 'mpeachment'.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Put the two together and you get?

/Sesame Street song.

[PapayaSF]

FINALLY, Biden can do something important: frighten America about the thought of impeaching Obama.

[Sevo]

PapayaSF|11.18.14 @ 9:20PM|#
"FINALLY, Biden can do something important: frighten America about the thought of impeaching Obama."

That's his job!

[BigT]

It begins with ass...

... and ends with ass-is-still-president

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh my! They might not vote for Obama next time around!

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 18 November 2014

Job Creation-Edition

- Kennedy: What did I dub this last time? "Beatnik Tron"? The blue piping makes it all happen. The plain black T remains our persistent nemesis, and things that improve on that 'soul-sucking vacuum of impenetrable blackness' tend to score well with me. The underboob-line especially.

- Matt: Sky Blue tie - we know its not 'new-new' but we consider it part of the avant garde of "Matt's Tie Acquisition Explosion" that occurred over the last 3 months. We dig it; again, his lazy-overhand knotting is always falling short of potential. We'd be far more enthused with a spread-collar and a half-windsor.

- Kmele: We remain weak on the 2 color plaid/gingham shirts with black ties. We only really like 1 or 2 versions of this oft-employed Kmele- specialty. Grey-tie w/ blue-white-grey check, blue jacket... and... uh, another one. We'd actually probably be far more favorable towards the scheme but for its excessive repetition.

- DeVito: Looking shizzarp. We like grey suit jackets that show their weave. Like Eli Lake - dudes who are not otherwise rockstar-hot seem to make more effort to get their duds worked out proper. Victory to the party panelist.

Toda raba

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kennedy's aura calmer today. /crosses fingers.

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

DON'T JINX IT!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I crossed my fingers!

[Fist of Etiquette]

This is full of Hungary Games spoilers!

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Incendiary website known as 'Reason'

This is my 3rd computer this month, alone.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Transformers? I'd actually pine for a great firewall of America to block that nonsense.

[GILMORE]

Whats the name of hunger games chick again? Jennifer Lawrence?

Fat face. zero sex appeal. When they switched 'mystique' from the euro supermodel to her, i was all like WTF?! then found out it was because she wuz 'popular' with the kiddies.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

So, not a fappening fan?

[John]

Average face but a great body. But yeah, she looks like she would be about as interesting in the sack as a bag of potatoes. She is the snotty girl from college who was never as hot as she thought she was and never as good in bed as she needed to be to justify putting up with her attitude.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

When are they gonna make a Goldarak movie?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Hello, business - don't you want a balloon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPdDdC4go6c

[Notorious G.K.C.]

(I'm New York, the dancing industrial recruiter)

[DEG]

Was that some slut-shaming there?

😉

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Nasty ass."

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Bitch, you ain't no hobbit, is you?

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Porn Hobbit

Gross.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

What in the....

That. Was. AWESOME.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

No shame!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Where do I send in my pledges?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/drops cigarette from lips.

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Are they going to edit it to make it remotely watchable?

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Like, auto-tune Kennedy's voice or something?

[Fist of Etiquette]

I call that economic stimulus.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

It didn't stimulate my 'economy'.

[DEG]

I need a little ear-bleach after those songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poAb0MhEvmk

[Rufus J. Firefly]

'Do they know it's Christmas?'

Yes they do. They just don't give a shit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is this something about giving up drugs? Going cold turkey?

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Only after thanksgiving.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's when drugs are needed most!

[GILMORE]

Kmele was channeling Richie Havens

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I thought he was gonna go all Smokey Robinson.

[GILMORE]

Falsetto? Like Phillip Bailey, maybe

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Such angry people.

[GILMORE]

The Independents must #BoycottHashtagtivism

[Francisco d'Anconia]

#LetTheTurkeyCool

No Winter Festival prior to eating the flesh of domesticated bird stuffs.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This is like Kinkos and desktop publishing. Everyone can 3D print now! You backed the wrong horse, Crisswell.

[GILMORE]

Nine Inch Nails sounds like a gaysex torture chamber

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

So, does that mean you're a fan?

[GILMORE]

meh, sometimes. I actually decided trent reznor was a very creative guy back in college but i just don't dig his sound much because the people who loved him were such obnoxious cunts.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

That sounds about right. Kind of like early hipsterdom

[Fist of Etiquette]

I think the pipeline actually replenishes the ozone layer.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

What does he mean, they're still moving it? Where do those Canadians get off?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

At Peel (to get downtown).

!

[Acosmist]

Edge Hill?

[Rebel Scum (formrly Rev-Match)]

Hm, I didn't realize that statistics math was malleable.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Public infrastructure jobs work exactly the same way.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Especially if you fall of the top and die, it's a job for life.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

How.

[John]

Here is the thing about Amnesty. If it were a political winner that is guaranteed to give the party that does it a permanent majority, why didn't the Democrats do it when they owned Congress and the White House in 09? Did Nancy Pelosi and Obama just feel sorry for the Republicans or something?

It is a political loser that is going to extract a huge short term political price from whoever does it. If it was a winner, it would have already been passed. Anyone who thinks Obama giving amnesty is going to be anything but a political catastrophe for the Democrats is Tony level delusional.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

They have a high-priced MIT consultant working on how to make the idiotic american voter support it as we speak.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Never heard of the guy.

[John]

Yeah. And don't tell me it was because the evil Republicans filibustered. There would have been a few Republicans who would have supported amnesty. Yet, it still didn't happen. The Democrats just must not want to win or something.

[VG Zaytsev]

The politics work better for the dems without amnesty because they can keep pushing the republican war on hispanics bullshit.

[PapayaSF]

It's risky for the Democrats because while it may gain them some Hispanic voters, it ticks off whites (especially working class ones) and blacks.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Last of the Mohicans?

More like The Mission!

[John]

The New York Times has finally caught on to the fact that the Affordable Care Act's biggest winners are not individual Americans but huge insurance companies. A recent piece in the paper of record notes that insurance companies benefit from vast federal subsidies and the legal mandate that everyone has to buy their stuff. In return, these companies provide support for the Affordable Care Act and the Administration, including helping to fix the troubled Healthcare.gov and backing the law against its legal challengers. Out are the ringing denunciations of insurance company profiteering that were commonplace in the Democratic party before the ACA was passed; in are gratitude and paeans to "cooperation."

http://www.the-american-intere.....-cronyism/

[PapayaSF]

The GOP could turn this to their advantage, by attacking insurance companies, and at the same time, promising to remove mandates that make insurance more expensive.

[VG Zaytsev]

The republicans are much too stupid to do so.

See also their continual defense of current copyright laws despite hollywood being their greatest enemy.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

NYT: We categorically deny having caught on to anything!

[Sevo]

John,
Overdue apology:
Months ago, you made the prediction that O-care was gonna screw the Ds in the election.
Naah, says Sevo! You're 'way too optimistic! People will forget and vote for the free shit party anyhow.
I'll take the crow on rye with mustard if that's OK.

[John]

Thank you. For once my faith in the American public was rewarded. It was the result of blind optimism on my part. I just couldn't believe people were going to put up with this bullshit.

[Sevo]

And they either voted with their pens or their feet and *didn't* put up with it.
Turd deserves 'way more crow, but of course honesty isn't one of his attributes.
Tip o' the hat.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Owe $9,050 to the IRS? Fuck you, we don't want to hear from you."

[Fist of Etiquette]

Anthony, be prepared to almost get a word in edgewise.

[DEG]

Didn't some Palestinian comics not too long ago make a video poking fun at ISIS?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yeah, accusing them of favoritism to Israelis at the expense of good Muslims.

[PapayaSF]

Yes, it seemed like some sort of official Fatah comedy. But it was funny in spots: it had ISIS people at a checkpoint asking questions to determine if people were Muslim (or good Muslims). Things like (from memory):

ISIS guy: "How many times does the word ____ appear in surah ____?

Other guy: "Just kill me now."

[DEG]

Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of.

[GILMORE]

Bonus =

- Tony "the Fish": More serious and grey-scale tonight. He also seems to have found his collar-stays, as his collar is now as rigidly restrained as a 12yr old's erection in gym class. We're also starting to see greater committment to "full beardness" which is a development we entirely encourage. Fashion aside entirely, we also would like to credit Anthony for the apparently imprompteu label of 'Low-Fi' Terrorism - as though Palestinians were now getting Steve Albini to help plan their terror strategy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What the fuck, this Gunderman Group commercial again? I swear I am never shipping UPS again.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

No kidding. Take some of that fucking amazon prime money and hire a decent ad agency.

[PapayaSF]

Are rubber bullets harder in cold weather? I kind of hope so.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

I can assure kennedy = nothing they say could possibly inspire riots....

DOBBS!!

[DEG]

Looks like no aftershow for me. Fox Business's website is slow.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Refresh.

[DEG]

No good.

I'm watching this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZQaEv4bgp4

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

A homeless Imam?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Foster almost got to give his Sanchez quote. Almost.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ha! Whoever that was on PM Links with the dirty deeds joke sure took it on the chin by DeVito.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Power song?

Stranglehold.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Quick... cut her off!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Awkward.

[Bobarian (Mr. Xtreme)]

Kennedy just offered to shock Bill Nye in the junk next time he's on.

I might have to watch that one.

[Hyperion]

He actually made her look bad last night. Matt should be the host of this show, I don't really give a fuck how sexist that sounds, you know, because libertarian and all.

[Old Man With Candy]

Needs ENB. I'd try to watch it again.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I repeat, The Independents are clearly music fans and should do a @spotify list of your bumper music.

From Lizbuddie at the Fox Biz website.

[kmc212]

I'm guilty of exploiting Christmas too early. Last week I had posted free holiday concerts in NYC. http://nycfreeconcerts.com/nyc.....-concerts/

[Irish]

Mother Jones says that science has proven your baby is a socialist, lacks the self-awareness to realize what this says about their own philosophy.

When asked to hand out treats to other people or to stuffed animals, 3- and 4-year-old children will divide resources equally, if at all possible. Even if they know that one person deserves more of a resource than another because she worked harder for it, they will still opt for equal distribution. In a study of 5-to-8-year-olds, when it was impossible to divide resources equally?for example, if the children were given five erasers to distribute to two people?they would even throw the extra eraser in the trash instead of giving more to one person than the other.

But what happens when the children being studied are themselves the lucky recipient of the extra resources? Well, that changes everything. "So, they're very egalitarian when it comes to other people," says Bloom. "When it comes to themselves, they're not the slightest bit egalitarian. Particularly when dealing with strangers, they want everything." So while babies do seem to have an innate capacity to separate good from evil, their moral lives are still fairly limited. "Babies are kind of jerks," Bloom says.

Um.

[Irish]

This scientist also came up with a fucktarded argument not backed up by his own research:

Philosophers like John Locke and psychologists like Sigmund Freud took for granted that we are born with a blank moral slate. But Bloom rejects that. He argues that babies actually have a natural sense of morality and fairness?one that simply emerges, like many other developmental milestones. "I think all babies are created equal in that all normal babies?all babies without brain damage?possess some basic foundational understanding of morality and some foundational moral impulses," says Bloom on the Inquiring Minds podcast. "They're equal in the same way that all babies come with a visual system, and the ability to move around, and a propensity to learn language."

Except that the only places we've managed to study babies in this manner are in wealthy, first world countries. That means that there's no evidence whatsoever that babies have an innate moral sense, merely that babies raised in affluent cultures tend to behave similarly - which should be expected since affluent cultures tend to be culturally similar and raise children in comparable ways.

If he studied a baby in the Congo I suspect it might act differently than a baby raised in a cushy suburb in Connecticut.

[widget]

"I think all babies are created equal in that all normal babies?all babies without brain damage?possess some basic foundational understanding of morality and some foundational moral impulses,"

That the average IQ of East Asian children is 106 while the average IQ of aboriginal Australian children is 49 is of concern to this scientist.

[Irish]

Falling down the Mother Jones rabbit hole is terrifying.

Here's a tendentious and ridiculous article trying to claim Americans are just super duper ignorant because Americans tend to be very wrong about what the unemployment rate is, etc. Except that in the article itself, they mention that this poll seems highly suspect and innacurate:

In this 1986 article....two-thirds, stated that the unemployment rate was 10 percent, 11 percent, or 12 percent ? a substantial degree of accuracy.

In this 2014 article....approximately 40-50 percent of respondents could estimate this rate within 1 percentage point.

In this 2014 article....most respondents gave fairly accurate estimates ? which is reflected in the median.

So the vast majority of people gave accurate answers, there were just outliers that skewed the results. Yet Mother Jones decided to publish the results as fact anyway.

But that's not all. (cont)

[Irish]

(cont)
Mother Jones then says the following:

POSTSCRIPT: On a slightly more serious note, Sides tells us that not only is the Ipsos-MORI poll an odd outlier, but that his research suggests that ignorance of the unemployment rate has very little impact on people's attitudes anyway. I'd say the Ipsos-MORI poll accidentally confirms this. The German public, for example, has a much more accurate view of the unemployment rate than the American public. So has that helped their policymaking? It has not. Over the past few years, Germany has probably had the worst economic policy of any developed country, while the US has had among the best. A well-informed public may be less important than we think.

LOL what? Germany's got an unemployment rate of 4.9% which is less than half of France! In what universe does Germany have the worst economic policy? What metric are they using? What is their evidence?

[Kool]

You need to issue a trigger warning with your cis privilege hate mongering demanding specific answers and citations.

metric are they using

Free shit and feelz

What do I win?

[Kool]

Which reminds me, when did triggering and rage spiraling become ok and not simply losing one's temper, which is a bad thing?

[Irish]

Honestly, it amazed me when I read that. That's the LAST PARAGRAPH in the article, meaning that he did not provide any follow-up information for how he arrived at this conclusion, does not link to a single article about anything going wrong with Germany's economy, and doesn't explain how he's defining 'best' and 'worst.'

What's especially grand is that there is one sector of Germany's economy that's in deep shit - the energy sector, where the German's idiotically tried to transition away from nuclear energy and to wind and solar. This has resulted in skyrocketing prices and periodic blackouts.

So the only example of Germany making terrible economic decisions comes from the one time they did what Mother Jones would want them to do.

[Sevo]

"Periodic blackouts" in a civilized nation?
I know CA got them years ago from the "deregulated" system we had, but is Germany dumb enough to follow that stupidity?

[Irish]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....kouts.html

[Sevo]

Well, I can't help some schadenfreude; the Greens started in Germany, so they get to reap the rewards.
I guess the East Germans aren't overly concerned; that what they always got.

[Agile Cyborg]

SO anyways...

Moz def nsfw

[annadancigerlon]

my roomate's step-mother makes $70 hourly on the internet . She has been out of work for 10 months but last month her pay was $19227 just working on the internet for a few hours. original site.....

?????? http://www.payinsider.com

[Contrarian P]

Bot, get it together. At $70 an hour, the old bint would have to work 9 hours a day, every single day of a thirty-one day month to make $19227. It's like you're not even trying or have Tony's research department.