Tonight on The Independents: Our New War, With John Bolton, Thaddeus McCotter, and Michael Weiss; Plus Cuddle Parties, White House Jumpers, Confessions of an Asset-Forfeiture Judge, the Steve Hayes Terrorist Threat, and Aftershow

Last night's episode of The Independents got a little caddywhompus with the whole bombing-begins-15-minutes-into-the-show thing, but such are the joys of live television. On tonight's installment (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later) we'll dive back into bombing and murk, with a hawkish Party Panel of former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton and laconic former GOP congressman Thaddeus McCotter. Ubiquitous foreign policy talker Michael Weiss will then come on to walk us through the latest Scariest Threat You Never Heard About Until Literally Like Twelve Hours Ago, Khorasan.

John Yoder, director of the Justice Department's Asset Forfeiture Office from 1983-85, will explain why he thinks it should be abolished. The co-hosts will discuss the implications of jumping the White House fence. Bolton and McCotter will be forced to comment on cuddling apps, and I will likely cheer the Transportation Security Administration's placing of Weekly Standard journalist Stephen Hayes on the "high risk" list of airline passengers, because of comedy gold.

Assuming no pre-emption by crazy breaking news, online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Fist of Etiquette]

Last night's episode of The Independents got a little caddywhompus with the whole bombing-begins-15-minutes-into-the-show thing...

It was glorious. A single topic of discussion held for, what, twenty minutes? And Weiss able to fully answer almost all questions tossed his way?

[Matt Welch]

Weiss was AMAZING. Dude had already left the building, turned the car around, ran, and started spitting out knowledge on live TV while still panting.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

It was one of the best shows you have done so far. Very enjoyable and informative.

[Heroic Mulatto]

started spitting out knowledge on live TV

Weiss is a freestyle rapper?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

As I've said, he's your best guest. Him and Payne.

[Heroic Mulatto]

Payne, I believe, is a freestyle rapper.

[GILMORE]

Yes, but can he juggle? Johnny Carson could.

[Longtorso, Johnny]

[PCUSA] Moderator sees church 'evolving' on same-sex marriage

[GILMORE]

"John Yoder, director of the Justice Department's Asset Forfeiture Office"

Speak, he will, and tell us how asset forfeiture reform leads to fear; fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; and hate leads to suffering.

[Dweebston]

All of which is true, from a certain point of view.

[GILMORE]

"The Independents got a little caddywhompus with the whole bombing-begins-15-minutes-into-the-show thing"

The last line in that linked report is actually worth waiting for. 'when TV was Serious'

[Suthenboy]

Al Qaeda, Khorasan, Isis, blah blah blah. There will be an endless parade of these goons no matter how many you target and squash. We are not at war with any of them. We are at war with an entire culture.

[PapayaSF]

When Progressive Orthodoxies Collide: "F--k PETA," Inuit throat singer Tanya Tagaq declared as she claimed the 2014 Polaris Prize in Toronto on Monday night.

The musician from Cambridge Bay, Nunavut, used her victory to encourage hipsters to make eating and wearing seal trendy.

"People should wear and eat seal as much as possible, because if you imagine an indigenous culture thriving and surviving on a sustainable resource, wearing seal and eating it, it's delicious and there's lots of them and f--- PETA," Tagaq said.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Who says Canadians are boring?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Judging from the necessity of Canadian content laws, Canadians.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Touche.

CanCon is pretty lame.

[Jensen]

Well I'll just build my own Canada, with blackjack, and hookers!

[GILMORE]

Eskimos

[Rufus J. Firefly]

They prefer to be called Dene.

[Headless Body of Agnew]

Tagaq also made waves with her pro-seal activism in April when she contributed to the Inuit-led social media movement of posting "sealfies" with an image of a baby next to a dead seal.

Is that botched word processing (they meant: "an image of oneself with a dead baby seal.")? Or really hardcore (bringing actual infants out for the hunt)?

[Dweebston]

totally accurate. Bonus points: tagged "sealfie." I like this woman.

[Headless Body of Agnew]

Sweet Zombie Jesus, that photo disturbs me. And I can bet it will do no good for their cause on social media.

Pretty girls have been dropped from contracts with Estee Lauder for having pictures of their Safari kills on their Facebook pages.

Ranting about Inuit seal hunts won't go away because... aw, baby? next to a corpse.

[Dweebston]

I found it pretty funny. Enough that I immediately showed my girlfriend, who swatted me and called me a freak. So maybe you have a point.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Convo interruptus.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Way to go on the line with that prediction.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What's with Kennedy's sultry voice?

[Fist of Etiquette]

THIS IS FREAKING ME OUT WHY IS SHE TALKING LIKE THIS?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ugh. Bolton.

[Max Power]

Ugh, is he gonna be there the whole time? I wish Kennedy would tear off his mustache.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If we have a war, don't we all want it sanitary as possible?

[Max Power]

How are you supposed to enrich cronies if you don't pay contractors to build schools and hospitals?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Yes and then when free they will vote for ISIS. Like the Palestinians did with Hamas.

[Max Power]

Everyone who likes to keep their head attached votes for ISIS.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Did Kennedy just interrupt herself?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

According to my math, ISIS should be in America by October.

http://www.washingtontimes.com.....e-in-a-mo/

[BigT]

Sovereignty doesn't matter? Remember Nixon bombing Cambodia. Try bombing Russia.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Didn't Kerry demand Russia respect Ukraine's borders?

[Jensen]

Khorasan eh? Based on my Europa Universalis 4 save files, a liberal application of the Timurids or the Ottomans will clear that up. Are those guys around anymore?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The consequence they're talking about, are they talking legal consequence?

[Max Power]

We joined them? WTF were they doing that we joined?

[Fist of Etiquette]

What's going on here? Where is the 12-minute mark commercial?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is Weiss wearing the same clothes as last night. DID HE SPEND THE NIGHT WITH < I THE INDEPENDENTS???

Walk of shame.

[Max Power]

He's unbuttoned one more button though. By Friday he'll just be wearing the blazer.

[GILMORE]

Korosan?

It sounds like something between a NYC real-estate group, the center of the Star Wars Republic, and cousins of the Kardashians.

[GILMORE]

Weiss:

Today is "extra chest hair day"

[BigT]

Is this ISIS topic TI's Nightline moment? (For you children that was when Iran took US hostages in 1979, launching the 24-hr news cycle)

[blackjack]

Ot, but I just had the cops called on me AGAIN this morning for hanging out with my 2 y/o adopted son at the coffee shop. I had to take him inside to replace my friends straw and he didn't wanna go. He cried out loud while I got the straw, only stopping when we got back outside.

Cop says he got a call of a white guy with a screaming black baby. Very suspicious, he said. This is the third time. If I get the wrong cop, he gets sent back to foster care and the adoption is nixxed. Pissing me off.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Man, that's rough.

[Suthenboy]

Welcome to post-racial America.

Just out of curiosity, where are you?

[blackjack]

Toluca lake, CA. Upscale, lotsa movie stars industry insiders etc. Tolerant? apparently not.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

When I think celebrity the word 'tolerant' doesn't exactly immediately come to mind.

Ignorant yes, but not tolerant.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Clapper says there's an imminent threat, and we can trust him.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Buzzfeed? Yuck.

[Dweebston]

I don't watch the show, but from the sound of it Kennedy likes to have nonversations with her guests. Confirm?

[Fist of Etiquette]

She asks questions and let's them answer... up to a point. She is often tone deaf when it comes to when points are being made and jumps in at the worst time.

[Dweebston]

Is she married? She sounds like the most obnoxious dinner guest imaginable.

Although I'm the silent, stoic type, and mostly just listen and nod. So, uh, Kennedy, holla back.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Someone needs to explain to those Syrian militants that blowback is a myth!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

50 comments at 22 past?

Sad.

[BiMonSciFiCon]

You didn't call for us to assemble.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Keep of the grass.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Be of the grass.

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 23 September 2014

Modern Family-Edition

There is no reason to even comment on anything except...

- Kmele: 'Professor Tweed, In the Studio, With the Candlestick'. The call to go 'tweed' is Kmele's own verion of 'Unilateral Bombing Campaign', and indeed: bombs have been dropped. Exercising the sweater-option is an additional display of advanced tactical-thinking. I also personally think the grey is superior to any other possible alternatives (brown, black, etc), especially with the matching tie. This is Kmele's "A-Game" on display. We give our enthusiastic "huzzah".

- Laconic Thad: White tie on blue shirt? We can only presume Thad's Used Car Emporium is occupying much more of his time lately.

- Weiss: Its not enough that you mock the convention of 'grooming' by flaunting your perpetual neck-hair, but then you have to add insult to injury by dropping a button on the shirt and putting your chest-pelt on display. Why even bother with the pretense of the jacket? Seriously, next time, just come in a wife beater and gold chains.

"- .... .- -. -.- / -.-- --- ..-"
(Morse Code)

[Agammamon]

Does he look like Carl?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e5ZqpqyVOI

[GILMORE]

Carl is classier than Weiss

[Francisco d'Anconia]

With a folding knife.

[GILMORE]

Can you really be 'armed' with... ammo?.... in *your car*....

...because last I checked, there was no *gun* to go with the ammo, right?

... but we're still going to claim, like the gun-retarded media, that he was 'armed' with the ammo?

[Jensen]

"Khorasan" is from the Middle Persian khwar (meaning "sun") and ?s?n (or ayan literally meaning "to come" or "coming" or "about to come"), hence meaning "land where the sun rises."

Japan, it's all up to you. Only you can sue them to death.

[GILMORE]

"hence meaning "land where the sun rises.""

or, "Mahmood and the Sunshine Gang"?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

"coming" or "about to come"

There is a world full of unplanned children in between these two definitions.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Move the White House to an island.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

On another planet.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Preferably in another star system.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

At least a lightyear away. Meaning no bill can be signed into law in under 2 years.

[Dweebston]

Legislation by ansible.

[GILMORE]

Sharks. Laser Beams.

[GILMORE]

Barry Sanders, Bernie Sanders.... both are great at moving laterally.

[Buddy Bizarre]

Alright, I had to chime in here to say stop with the bullshit anti-gun scary description 'sniper rifle'. Its designed to demonize bolt action rifles to make them as frightening as semi-autos are as 'assault weapons'.

Also, as Gilmore point above. Big f'n deal. Now I haven't read that he had been picked up before, so I'll have to see what the reporting is on that.

[Fist of Etiquette]

LET GO OF THE BANNER.

[Max Power]

When aren't Australians in risk of being munched by a croc?

[Fist of Etiquette]

This sounds like the plot of Godzilla 2.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Gotta luv the Aussies! Much better than Canucks as far as royalty worshipers go.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's an insult to Shatner.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

No. It was directed at ME.

[GILMORE]

PUT WELCH DOING PURPLE RAIN BACK ON!@@@

[Max Power]

Is it Batmans or Batmen?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Now you're being difficult.

/pulls out red pen.

[Max Power]

That was a serious question. I'm leaning towards Batmans.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/jots down note on chart.

[Dweebston]

Batman. Batman. Batman. BATMAN.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Y M C Eh?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kennedy playing the 'eh' stereotype, eh?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Some of us are stereotyped as megalomaniacs who have secretly run the world for centuries...others of us are stereotyped as "eh"-saying beer-drinkers.

[blackjack]

What about donut munchers?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The reason we rarely heard about Canadians is that they've invented a maple syrup beer.

[blackjack]

When I was in Calgary, everyone I met bought me some Tim Hortons. I ate a dozen a day the whole time.

[Max Power]

I'm gonna have a Manhattan.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I was thinking the same as the wife resupplied my stock of maraschino cherries today.

[GILMORE]

I advise you to reconsider and go for a Sazerac

[Max Power]

I don't have any rye and I just took out my lemons and they've turned to mush. Plus I have nice vermouth (punt e mes) and I've already had an Old Fashioned.

[Max Power]

UPDATE: It's good, but I kinda wish it were a Sazerac. If my lemons hadn't disintegrated I could have made due with Old Grandad instead of rye.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

HUZZAH!!!!

GIANT ANGRY BEAVER IS BACK!

Imma start watchin this show again.

[GILMORE]

Aggressive hugging = Rape Culture

[Notorious G.K.C.]

How many restraining orders has Kennedy accumulated by this time?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I'd hug Kennedy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

She didn't offer Bolton a cuddle.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

But McCotter did.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What is this, sweeps?

[GILMORE]

You think canadians are all cute and all... then you get scratched, and next thing you know *you are becoming one of them*

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Meh. They only asked New Yorkers. Not exactly warm fuzzy peeps.

[Max Power]

She'd have better luck in the south.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Or anywhere other than NY. Better luck in Afghanistan.

[GILMORE]

Yeah. the cuddling segment is now 5X longer than "crazy guy maybe tried to kill the president"

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bolton isn't wrong on something.

[GILMORE]

I know, right?

[BigT]

Bolton has proven to be libertarian on most issues, but not war.

[GILMORE]

According to some, the libertarian position on war, is, "Never, until someone bombs us, then NUCLEAR"

[Francisco d'Anconia]

This shit is infuriating.

[Max Power]

I agree, it's ridiculous. The IJ has been involved in some local cases, Philadelphia might even be the worst place for it. It's certainly not the only thing Philadelphia is the worst for.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

He's eaten all the confiscated assets he could, and he's not hungry any more.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This just in: Judge doesn't understand basic human nature.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Hmmm...somehow this anti-due-process program turned out to be a bad idea?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

File under 'Unintended Consequences.'

[Fist of Etiquette]

THAT WAS WELCH'S POINT. No one foresaw that it would morph.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Why is Larry Flynt on TI?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

That subject needs a Friday episode by like.. last week.

[GILMORE]

Agreed. I think this is the second time we've talked about 'Asset Forfeiture/Eminent Domain' as a topic-show.

i even had a snappy name for it which i now forget.

[Max Power]

Light the BAAALLLKKKOOOO signal!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Welch is afraid he won't get to go back to Cuba.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Put more people on the white list. The lines for the rest of us will be shorter.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"Oh, hello, General Arnold, you're in the military, you are on the white list, we don't have to inspect your carriage or that large bag of gold you have."

18th century TSA.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Which list do you think Reason commenters are on?

[Dances-with-Trolls]

The Kill List

[Fist of Etiquette]

Don't be schadenfreudey, Welch.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ah. Not Lou Dobbs.

[GILMORE]

Peter Paul Mary and ....sullivan? sigh

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bolton bolted.

[GILMORE]

He doesn't get paid to pussyfoot with the kids

[Fist of Etiquette]

Matt Welch: I yawn at your beheadings.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The country freaked out over two beheadings because they are pussies.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kmele Foster: Cowboy up, America.

[Fist of Etiquette]

YOU TELL HIM, KENNEDY. Foster loves Hamas. Looooooooooooooves Hamas.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I love Kmele.

[Fist of Etiquette]

HE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVES HAMAS.

[GILMORE]

I (fist-bump) Kmele

[Fist of Etiquette]

Those grievances are largely self-cultivated.

[GILMORE]

please stop with the "either/or" foreign policy views.

The indys do this, "if you're not X, you're Y" thing way too often.

as though failing to adopt one of two predominant American narratives on the Israel/Palestinian conflict is 'too confusing'?

Thad actually deserved to add there that he was "introduced as a jingoist" because that was exactly what i'm talking about.

[GILMORE]

GOOD AFTER-HOURS SHOW SAYS I

Cut off??...........
........no?!

[Fist of Etiquette]

No cut off.

[GILMORE]

Kmele adds "guacamole" as some sort of mocking jab at the 'Cutoff' team, just showing how slow they were. 4syllables! thats how slow they were.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Will the TI thread ever hit 200 comments again?

Stay tuned. Same Bat-channel, same Bat-time.

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[Wasteland Wanderer]

C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

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Yes,apparently tonight.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

lol

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