Obama's ISIS War Already Hits Home: DHS Tells Retailers to Spy on You


Right about the time President Barack Obama made to the nation his declaration of war in Iraq and Syria against the terrorist organization ISIS, Homeland Security Department (DHS) Secretary Jeh Johnson quietly announced that he's expanding the "See Something, Say Something" campaign by enlisting retailers to make sure you're with us, not against us, in this fight.
Johnson delivered some remarks at the Council of Foreign Relations in New York on September 10. He recalled that the September 11, 2001 attacks gave birth to his department, and boasted how much its grown since—"240,000 employees, 22 components and a total budget authority of about $60 billion"—but apparently that's not enough.
He listed the DHS's five-point plan to slog through the ever-hazier war on terror and the last one is "to address the home-grown terrorist who may be lurking in our midst" by "sending a private sector advisory identifying for retail businesses a long list of materials that could be used as explosive precursors, and the types of suspicious behavior that a retailer should look for from someone who buys a lot of these materials." He refused to say exactly what's on his list.

This new policy is alarming and problematic, first of all, because the FBI, the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Johnson himself (repeatedly) have all acknowledged that ISIS poses no credible threat to the U.S. homeland.
Johnson assures he's just looking for "explosive precursors" in people's shopping lists, but as TechDirt's Tim Cushing points out, "that could be nearly anything." Cushing predicts that this could be used to justify an even greater invasion of privacy: "Because retail outlets don't share customer purchase data with each other, this may result in the DHS attempting to justify the requisition of data from multiple retailers using credit/debit card numbers as a starting point."
This worst-first thinking, that someone buying a pressure cooker or bags fertilizer must be a domestic terrorist, promotes a climate of constant fear that degrades our own society, not ISIS.
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So how long until every purchase we make requires ID and logging in a computer database?
He asked, as if that weren't already the case.
There is still such a thing as cash.
But you have to make it to the store with the cash. Officer Friendly and his dog are more than happy to take said cash off your hands because drugs.
So, you have your cash seized every time you head to the store to buy some things? I've found it to be pretty easy to avoid any official interaction with police.
Not that asset forfeitures don't happen and aren't terrible in every way. But we are still a ways away from having every transaction monitored and recorded.
To assure that you are receiving the proper bandwidth per the terms of your contract and the Federal Net Neutrality Act, please login to your government provided router and provide your SSN, age, ethnicity, number of dependents, and favorite hobbies.
You know, I think I could survive without the internet.
"Explosive precursors" are literally (not figuratively) all that cleaning shit you have stuffed under the kitchen sink. Everything can be used to make a bomb.
So obviously the government just needs to regulate everything and we'll all be safe forever. The end.
Well my goose is cooked. Not only do I have a chemical intensive hobby...I make my own paints/pigments, but I also collect Islamic art(whatever else one might say about the culture, the art is absolutely gorgeous--Taj Mahal anyone?).
fish furiously scribbles notes about above post........
Why bother? The NSA has already flagged it.
Damn straight. I'm also most certainly on the "no fly" list, because the government is just that stupid.
*checks personal copy of list*
Yeah, you're fucked.
Why bother? The NSA has already flagged it.
*reaches for pen and paper*
Are you suggesting that, even though we all saw what he wrote, we not say something?
No comrade, not at all, I would never suggest that.
First rule of Soviet survival. Never talk to Party if you don't have to. If directly questioned you say, "I was sure Scruffy reported it, and i didn't want to waste the official's valuable time."
I am an avid amateur chef. I am an avid electronics hobbyist. I am a professional chemist.
I am absolutely fucked.
Oh, and I have a CCW and shoot regularly. May as well get my ass prepared for prison.
Wear a keffiyeh at all times. They won't bother you because PROFILING.
Yes, people are worried about profiling because it never happens.
If the authorities really believe in this looming string of ISIS atrocities or homegrown terrorist attacks then they ought to start profiling and look slippy about it.
The attention lavished on Presbyterian Nebraska grandmas could be better applied elsewhere.
Prison ain't so bad. You can make sangria in the toilet. Of course in there it's shank or be shanked.
BTW I'm also fucked, I'm about to start growing a few things on my grand dads old farm so gonna need fertilizer and diesel fuel. My wife wants a pressure cooker to can stuff from her garden. And I shoot almost every weekend.
Perhaps a bit over-dramatic. Way too many people shoot and farm for that to go. They aren't so stupid yet that they think they can put everyone in prison. And firearms are still very broadly popular.
Way too many people shoot and farm for that to go.
They don't need to go after every single one.
They just want a reason to go after anyone that catches their eye.
Actually, if own work more than a certain amount of land it gets really easy to buy bulk ammonium nitrate.
True, but its a small farm and I'm starting with just a few acres. My suspicion is that I'll buy just enough to be "noticed" but not enough for some idiot bureaucrat to realize I'm farming.
What kind of electronics you interested in?
Audio, especially tubes.
I'm on the list? I got a 23 qt pressure cooker/canner right around the time of the Boston Marathon bombing?
And I have lots of gardening supplies, so I'm guess I'm on the DEA's list, too. I hope they know the difference between Solanum lycopersicum and Cannbis saliva leaves...
I have that same model! I used to make HUGE batches of sauces and can the extra for nights I didn't feel like cooking.
I hope you don't have a dog.
I've got one? why?
Well, the terrorists have won, I guess. If you can't innocently make things explode in your back yard without attracting government scrutiny, you are not truly free. Making home made explosives is as wholesome and American as anything.
+1 anvil firing
Now I know what I'm doing this weekend.
He recalled that the September 11, 2001 attacks gave birth to his department, and boasted how much its grown since?"240,000 employees, 22 components and a total budget authority of about $60 billion"?but apparently that's not enough.
Die in a fire, you totalitarian cocksucker.
I guess I had better stock up on acetone before they take it off the market.
You can always denude the shelves of all the little bottles of nail polish remover if they take the big cans out of the hardware store.
Then you'd still have to distill it to get rid of the dyes and fragrance they put in that stuff.
Funny thing is some places have tried to limit access to nail polish remover because people were using it in meth making. But apparently they ignored the fact that you can buy it by the gallon at any hardware store.
They also ignored the fact that you can buy the precursor chemicals more cheaply and mostly unregulated at the industrial level...
This is an outrageously stupid idea. That said, since they would have done the same thing anyway, I don't thing the war against ISIS has anything to do with it.
What the hell kind of name is Jeh, anyway?
His parents were on good drugs?
Somebody started to think of a cool name that started with J, but forgot what it was and couldn't be bothered to finish the thought.
"What do you want to name him?"
"J... eh."
::clutches my tattered copy of Uncle Ragnar's Guide to Home and Recreational Use of High Explosives::
Thank God for garage sales and cash money.
Luckily, most proprietors of ammo tend to not give a fuck about the Fed. Govt.