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Tonight on The Independents: Tim Carney on Obama's New War, Killer Mike on Ray Rice, Peter Suderman on Spiking ER Visits, Kmele Foster on the iWatch, Plus Berkeley Anti-Speech Movement, Sudbury School, and Aftershow

Matt Welch | 9.9.2014 8:23 PM

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We're about 24 hours away from our annual Sept. 10 war speech! This time, the bombing-plus campaign that doesn't need congressional approval (notwithstanding Barack Obama's pre-presidential protestations to the contrary) is targeting the Islamic State, which would surely be trading very poorly on Intrade if we lived in a freer world.

Such will be the first topic of discussion on tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours later), with able assistance from Party Panelists Tim Carney of the Washington Examiner and Fox News contributor Julie Roginsky. That combo will also comment on the appalling campus memo on "Civility and Free Speech" penned by UC Berkeley Chancellor Nicholas Dirks to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Free Speech Movement.

The Atlanta rapper Killer Mike, who was one of the sanest commentators during the Ferguson unpleasantnesses, will talk about the latest developments in the Ray Rice lady-braining scandal. Beloved Reason Senior Editor Peter Suderman then arrives to talk about how emergency room usage is predictably spiking because of Obamacare, despite the backers of the law promising the opposite result. Dan Greenberg of the groundbreaking Sudbury School—where students basically teach themselves—will discuss the controversial model. And Kmele Foster will keep it real about Apple's big pffffftt of an announcement day.

Online-only aftershow begins at foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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  1. GILMORE   11 years ago

    " is targeting the Islamic State"

    And so the gradual abandonment of "ISIL" proceeds apace

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      All this rebranding is very disorienting.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Such will be the first topic of discussion on tonight's live episode...

    I look forward to that in depth three minute twelve second talk.

  3. GILMORE   11 years ago

    "Killer Mike...will talk about the latest developments in the Ray Rice lady-braining scandal."

    ...

    Why?

    ...

    Can we not find a more worthy topic for our Expert Rappers? This TMZ shit should be saved for 'internet journalists' or something.

  4. GILMORE   11 years ago

    ""the groundbreaking Sudbury School?where students basically teach themselves?"

    Yeah. I remember when they used to call them "libraries". Don't get me started on the Dewey Decimal system. Those were the days.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Yeah. I remember when they used to call them "libraries".

      BE QUIIIIEEEETTTTT!!! THIS IS A LIBARY!!!!

  5. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents new segment, "Ask A Rapper" really ought to include more than one topic.

    1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

      I don't know-the "Bitches or Hos" segment could take a long time just by itself.

      1. Hyperion   11 years ago

        If we just combine those bitches and hos into Biotches, then we save valuable air time. I need to be the new CEO of Biotch TV.

        1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

          I'll allow it.

          1. Hyperion   11 years ago

            Theme Song of Biotch TV:

            And did I tell her? Hell no, the Biotch!

            And will I tell her? Hell no, the Biotch!

            And should I tel her? Hell no, the Biotch!

            Cause I tell you, I KNOW the Biotch!

            Well, you have to hear the rhythm section and see the dancing girls to know how good that is...

            I'm a white geek trapped in the body of a black man from the hood, what else to say?

            1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

              I'm sold. That said, yeah, hearing and seeing would help.

              1. Hyperion   11 years ago

                My mind is a dark place of sinister rhythms and much booty, a dangerous place indeed.

                I picked up a lot of my current raw native rhythms from prowling the back streets of Recife Antigo, Brazil on weekend evenings.

                1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

                  sinister rhythms

                  Man, if no one's picked that as a band name, someone better get crackin'.

        2. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

          All bitches are not hoes and all hoes are not bitches. Do you need a Venn diagram?

          1. Hyperion   11 years ago

            Venn diagram

            Is that the one that shows where the vagina is? If so, no, I have no problems finding that.

          2. Greg   11 years ago

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JsKq--e0QQ

  6. Aloysious   11 years ago

    ...the bombing-plus campaign that...

    More drone strikes on brown people? Or does bombing plus mean we are going to attack Canada because of all the border violations where unauthorized bagpipes and Kinder eggs make it through to corrupt our children?

    I still wanna see Matt Welch's D&D character(s).

    1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      No, it's drone strikes on Muslims of all colors.

  7. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Obama's new war, not like the old war, it's the cool war, it's Obama's war.

    See, that old white dude, Boosh, his war was a bad war, because he's not like a half white big eared goofy looking cool dude, who got da cool war.

    When Obama murder drones little brown babies, it's cool, it's ok ya see, it's fun you see! Cause Obama is cool!

  8. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Cleavage.

    1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

      Inshallah.

    2. Hyperion   11 years ago

      There's no chance of cleavage unless we replace Kennedy with someone with a C cup or above. But there is a serious chance of nips.

      1. Pl?ya Manhattan.   11 years ago

        Hopefully.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Is Kennedy mic'd differently tonight? Or does she have a cold?

  10. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    What the fuck 42% of the poll respondents are good with Obama at this point?

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      25% still claimed to like Nixon when he took a hike, so I think you can discount that 42% number by some amount.
      But still, how many times do you hear lies and continue to support the bastard?

      1. Always Mad   11 years ago

        True Believers are not converted by mere facts or events.
        Some of those facts might be racist. Do we call them hatefacts?

    2. Hyperion   11 years ago

      In other news, 43% ok with Hitler, 44% ok with Satan.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        That's (D) Satan.

        1. Sevo   11 years ago

          And 99.999% are just in LOVE with Jung-un!

      2. Jensen   11 years ago

        Hey, Satan 2016.

  11. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Blackish president wants to do a drive-by? Seems a vaguely racist analogy.

  12. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    You mean a conflict with concrete objectives and an exit strategy?

    NEVER!

  13. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Obama is our boss and our father. How can you not trust your boss/father?

    1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

      Obama Il Sung. With glorious, horse-like bride.

      1. Hyperion   11 years ago

        I'm sure Obama thinks that most horses are prettier than his wookie, but horse rape is still a crime...

        1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

          OK, that was the best laugh I've had today.

        2. blackjack   11 years ago

          It's not a crime when the president goes it.

          1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

            Did Nixon bang horses?? Hmmmm...

            1. Sevo   11 years ago

              "Did Nixon bang horses?? Hmmmm..."
              Leave Pat out of this!

              1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

                Yes, yes, lovely woman. Not at all into carrots.

          2. blackjack   11 years ago

            *does it *

  14. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I wish I could bomb people just because I hate them.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      Why can't you?

    2. Jensen   11 years ago

      I wish I had a bunch of people with guns who would force people to do what I say. Except instead of forcing people to do what I say, I'd just use them to tell people to fuck off.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The Iraqis aren't capable of democracy? Ouch for Iraq.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    So I take it the chick is a Dem fellator.

  17. BigT   11 years ago

    The Prez should say we will help defend our friends and allies with whatever is necessary and nothing more.

    1. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

      I think he's going to surrender.

  18. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    If our people weren't there, they would still have their heads.

  19. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

    DOBBS?!?

  20. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Oh, no. I'm not staying up to watch weary-eyed < i The Independents at 11PM.

  21. BigT   11 years ago

    Draft Ray Rice into the Gteen Berets.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    If they didn't see it, it's because the NFL didn't want to see it.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    What strikes him most??? IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE?

  24. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    She hit him first. Looked to me that she elbowed him in the face.

    Um...

    NAP?

    1. BigT   11 years ago

      She also took a weak swing at him before they got into the elevator. But he did not need to hit her to restrain her.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        I don't know if the elbow to the face connected, but if it did it probably hurt like hell. So she pissed him off and then came at him...

        I would hope I would have more restraint, but it looked to me like a reaction rather than a thought out action.

        My take is she initiated the violence. Not sure how he's the abuser.

    2. Hyperion   11 years ago

      THE NAP DOES NOT APPLY, CAUSE PATRIACRCHY!!!!

      Umm, wait a minute... Ok, NAP still applies, fuck that bitch. OK, OK! Dude didn't have to hit her! It wasn't self defense. But again, how much of this is just pure PC non-sense? She hit him and was going in for a 3rd. When was the point that he could hit her back? Maybe after he was asleep and she decided to smash his face in with a 5 lb. crystal ashtray?

    3. Dances-with-Trolls   11 years ago

      I think we're going to have to go to the booth on this one..

    4. Jensen   11 years ago

      You know, it is possible to argue that he did have a right to defend himself against her, but that his action was extreme and unnecessary given the context of the situation.

      1. BigT   11 years ago

        Exactly. He should have spun her around and given her a bear hug until she chilled. He used too much force.

  25. AlmightyJB   11 years ago

    Psychologist: Minorities Are Obese Because of Racism which is why all white people are skinny

    http://www.nationalreview.com/.....rine-timpf

    1. Jensen   11 years ago

      And here I thought it was the Power of the Patriarchy that was keeping me thin. Thanks, racism!

  26. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents Attire Review, 9 September 2014

    Ready Teddy-Edition

    - Kennedy: Where the White Women at? Oh, she drops the post-labor-day joke *immediately*, heading me off at the pass. Touch?. I think the call on "White" here has to be the same as our note re: Kmele last night = 'Too casual for TV'? I think it looks nice and evokes weekends at the beach, but it probably not the best choice sitting next to 2 Dapper Men in Suits.

    - Matt: Sold. Our only thought here is that the Power-Matt system suffers from too-similar reiterations: last nights red-polka-dot reduces the effect of tonight's Solid-Red. Although! we note that Matt seems to have used a slightly thicker knot with the same-old collar, and it actually looks distictly better with these collars.

    - Kmele: Approach the Bench, Counselor! Damn. We love the suit, particularly with the maroon tie, which i think is the Uber-match with charcoal-grey. There are a variety of ways waistcoats can 'up or downmarket' a suit, and this one - with the more open-breast and shorter, 3-button cut - does exactly the right thing to keep it 'classy'.

    - Carney: Why are Brown Suits always on sale? You see why. To his credit, his tie actually works.

    Wham Bam Thank You Ma'am

  27. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Who were these 'experts'?

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Know who else was an expert?

    2. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Liberal wonks = experts.

      No one knows for sure what that means, but we should all just accept it and give up all our silly freedoms.

  28. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Hello! Suderman wears the Royal Horse Guard Regimental-Stripe tie, something i have called for repeatedly, particularly to be matched w/ blue suit or blazer.

    I am pleased.

    It looks great IMHO.

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      I wore something similar with a sharp, tailor made navy blazer (Lana material) I had made.

  29. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Outstanding. Although, I could use some pizza right now.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      @#(*$@()#$ i know?

    2. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Brick oven crust, I hope, none of that fucking foo-foo thick dough cake shit.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        I'LL EAT WHAT I LIKE. That's convenient.

        1. Hyperion   11 years ago

          Well, just have your tofurkey and soy sauce pizza then!

  30. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    It's probably a twitterbot.

  31. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Industrial Lubricants.

    DiGiorno is too good for you people

  32. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    There are a lot ugly couples out there.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      There are a lot ugly couples out there.

      The correct term is 'liberals'.

  33. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    That is AWESOME!

  34. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I can only imagine all this publicity will spur regulators to plug that hole.

  35. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

    As fun as a bunch of Lena Dunhams would be?

    WTF is wrong with you?

  36. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I hate hangovers.

  37. GILMORE   11 years ago

    They really have gone full-ISIS now. This "ISIL" thing was *soooo* last week.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      It would be a great FU to ISIS to not let them change their name.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        FUISIS?

  38. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Apparently Di Giorno has a history of bad tweets.

    http://www.lotus823.com/digior.....marketing/

  39. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Okay, I'm going to the tape to watch the Suderman segment I missed.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      note the nice tie

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Izod tie.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          You can't patent awesome.

          well, you can, but anyone can make that tie.

    2. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      It looks like they hit him with a tranq dart. He's only going at half speed.

    3. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Suderman predicted it! #SudermanKnew

  40. GILMORE   11 years ago

    This is where they advertise "industrial pneumatic excess flow valves".

    Because no self-respecting frozen pizza supplier would dare be associated with this show.

  41. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Hey Dirks, lick my asshole.

    1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

      That may be how he got the job in the first place.

      I mean, not yours, per se.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Nepotism and asshole licking.

        The great practice no one dares tackle or discuss.

  42. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Division AND Divisiveness.

    Why use one word when 2 just makes your point more boring?

  43. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    I'm a libertarian and a conservative?

    Hmmmmm?

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Can't be both?

      I don't necessarily see them being mutually-exclusive.

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        Depends on your definitions, I guess. And whether you support legislating conservative positions.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          Yeah we'd have to define those. If we could.

        2. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

          Legislating Conservative positions would be mostly un-libertarian, but supporting conservative viewpoints can be done in a completely libertarian method. There is a reason that most of the libertarian leaning politicians are also conservative.

  44. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This whole discussion makes me feel unsafe.

  45. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Welch is wound up.

  46. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Liberal Fascists FTW!! @ BERKLEY!

  47. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Did he just say Islam is offensive speech?

  48. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

    I think heard someone (Welch?) make an error - he said the pre-1964 censorship at Berkeley was by right-wingers. It was the liberal administration - though plenty of right-wingers were OK with it. BUT one of the earlier free-speech groups was (IIRC) YAF, they just quit when the movement turned to lawlessness.

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      Oh, and the "Free Speech" movement's contribution to academic freedom was illegally disrupting school activities.

      1. PapayaSF   11 years ago

        Pretty much.

  49. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    Na na na na na na.

    Do you do drugs Danny?

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Every day

      1. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

        Good, so what's the problem?

  50. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This just in: Leftists don't like free speech unless it's their own.

  51. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Apparently Kennedy doesn't take her hairdresser and makeup artist with her to remote segments.

  52. Jesus H. Christ   11 years ago

    The video stream is completely fubar'd tonight.

  53. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    This is reminiscent of the Reggio Way for children originating in Northern Italy.

  54. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    "Okay, look. I know you got a crocodile in spelling, but this has gone too far."

    1. Trouser-Pod   11 years ago

      That makes me feel :::Elvis:::

  55. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    You can't homeschool in Los Angeles?

  56. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    This guy so obviously hates the children.

  57. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Yeah but passion sometimes invites irrational reactions - and interruptions.

  58. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The whole reason I have a cell phone is so I don't have to wear a watch. A WATCH IS JEWELRY. Like what women wear.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      http://www.alange-soehne.com/home

    2. PapayaSF   11 years ago

      It's more than a watch. It'll be big. It'll do for smart watches what the iPhone did for smartphones. Many in Switzerland are shitting their pants right now.

  59. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Mac whores.

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      being an apple whore was so 2012

  60. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  61. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Yearrggggggg!! IT BE DOBBS?

    1. Notorious G.K.C.   11 years ago

      I think the correct pirate term is "Arrrh!"

      Yearrrgggggg is a pirate throwing up his rum.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Yeaaarrrrgghh!! Everybody be an expert!

  62. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    The most unreliable sexy aftershow in business.

  63. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

    You can tell people how you voted on here, because there is only the ten of us.

    We're among friends.

  64. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Citizen's United allows free speech! Get rid of it.

  65. Francisco d'Anconia   11 years ago

    God I love Kmele!

  66. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Ouch. Foster talks about limiting government power instead of curbing speech.

  67. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

    Kmele FTW!

    Limit the government to limit the power of money in government.

  68. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Okay, the woman is an idiot and the stream is starting to shit the bed.

  69. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Damn, they're destroying her with sarcasm.

  70. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    ...and facts.

  71. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Jezuz, 11PM?

    CUT HER OFF ALREADY!

  72. Bobarian (dinosaur hunter)   11 years ago

    CUT her off!

  73. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Call her Daisy Duke because she works in cutoffs.

    1. Homple   11 years ago

      One of your better ones.

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