Tonight on The Independents: Food Fight! Featuring Katherine Mangu-Ward, Baylen Linnekin, John Tierney, and More!
Friday night's theme episodes of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three hours and five hours later) is all about what you can and can't put in your mouth, including but not limited to lamb testicles.
The show starts off with a list of all sorts of food various governments have tried to ban, with the help of beloved Managing Editor Katherine Mangu-Ward and New York Times science writer John Tierney as our guides to idiotic food-statism. Impish jack-of-all-assignments Michael Malice then comes on to tell us about historical food myths, from the Jonestown Massacre to your local Cap'n Crunch box. Hermine Ricketts and Tom Carroll, who alert Reason readers know as the Florida government whose tidy front-yard vegetable garden was outlawed by the local government, then come on to tell their story.
There's no such thing as a food show without eating weird stuff, right? Well, adventurous eater Katerina Vorotova brings out some crunchy insects, questionable mammal bits and unsanitary eggs for the co-hosts to try (or not). Then it's time to play a clip from and discuss this strangely soothing yet alarming Jim Epstein Reason TV video about supper clubs:
Beloved food-legalizer and Reason.com columnist Baylen Linnken then joins Kennedy for a physical and regulatory tour of New York City food trucks, and the show will close with a discussion of bizarro food facts. IT'S A GOOD TIME TO GET THE MUNCHIES, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
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Alt-text, indeed!
Seriously, though-what was in her mouth?
Teeth?
lamb testicles
Must see TV.
An interruption.
Ohhhhhh, SNAP!
I was gonna go with Almanian there, but yours is such an existential truth.
Ah the Jonestown Massacre, the worst thing to happen to Kool-Aid's advertising.
Meanwhile, people who associated with Jim Jones are now U.S. Senators.
Especially since it wasn't Kool Aid, but one of their competitors.
But yeah, the political angle has often been overlooked. Jim Jones was big in local SF politics.
Yeah, that's exactly why I called it the worst thing to happen to happen to their advertising. 'Drink the Kool Aid' won't disappear anytime soon.
"Jim Jones was big in local SF politics."
Mention Jim Jones within the hearing of Willie Brown, and Willie has urgent business elsewhere.
And presidents, and major figures in San Francisco politics.
including but not limited to lamb testicles.
Are they still attached?
I. Am. MATT!
Have a good show. Looks like a good one.
From the current Drudge headline link: The IRS says it has lost emails from five more workers who are part of congressional investigations into the treatment of conservative groups that applied for tax exempt status.
It's long past time to drag IRS IT people in front of the committee.
Unfortunately it is a violation of procedural rules for a Congressional Committee to call witnesses who might actually be able to accurately answer questions pertaining to the investigation.
Yep, it's the only way to maintain the lie.
If there are two people who send each other emails, and one has a... I can hardly say this with a straight face... a hard drive crash, there's around a 99% chance the OTHER party of the conversation will have a copy. Spread that conversation to multiple people, and now you've got multiple copies of the same email. So the only way to maintain this lie is to have EVERYONE who was a part of the conversation to have a hard drive crash.
Plus they go through servers, and government agencies are required to keep copies of official emails.
You got to be kidding me dude, Seriously?
http://www.Crypt-Anon.tk
Meanwhile in St. Louis, 6 murders in 24 hours.
Chances of a protest? 0%
So, this Eat With dude has no problem with becoming a government crony as long as he's going to make zillions, the hell with his customers and the entire idea that got him where he is now.
Will the Independents confront any of the below 'foodie' myths - things that underlie a huge amount of progressive food-politics in the US?
e.g.
- Organic Food: not more 'healthy' or 'sustainable' or 'environmentally friendly' than conventional foods.
- 'Locovores' (no, not the crazy people): wrong about the 'carbon footprint', the nutritional benefit, and the social benefit of local-sourcing
- GMOs: Never made anyone sick, and don't kill all the bees, and are actually pretty boringly normal. BUT PANIC ANYWAY!!?
-Any version of "how the FDA food pyramid is killing us"/or the ever-changing conventional wisdom about 'diets': actually even when there's some case to be made for some diet? Its usually negligible in the face of simply having a more 'active lifestyle'. Add to this, "why Michelle Obama's pet issue is stupid and unhelpful".
My guess is the emphasis on the above will be very-light-to-none, and it will be more about how we want to have as much 'choice' as possible (which is all well and good; but still fails to slay any progressive sacred-veal)
"sacred-veal"
I see what you did there.
Scallopini sec, please.
Ah, Berkeley, never change.
We welcome honest and ernest debate, so long as you use our language and avoid certain topics. Because civility.
Oh, for the third time (I haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on Reason)
Vice Magazine interviews Radley Balko on police militarization (~40m)
I always envisioned Balko being older, and a little more grizzled, but dignified. I thought he had a halo of cropped graying hair half-encircling his head, with a large expanse of bald in-between. I saw thick keyhole-style eyeglasses and a gray tweed coat.
I'm always reminded that it's people like Balko that make the Post a respectable news organization.
So Greg Abbot is running for governor of Texas. He was paralyzed in an accident where an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging. He successfully sued the property owner for $10 million. I feel bad for the guy, but I'd sure like to see some proof of the property owner's negligence.
In other news, my fight against the USDA continues:
http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....eness.html
And here is a neat tidbit I found on wiki:
"Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity."
While in theory i see nothing wrong with a religious group believing in self-preservation...
...last I checked, Islam is the world's most successful religion, with over 20% of the world's population and the widest international range.
This "prejudices of others" thing is a little silly in the context of recent televised beheadings. And i don't recall any recent Muslim holocaust.
Here is another silly thing: Anjem Choudary's vision of Islamic Britain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LExtPhPnqk
I'd sure like to know how this doesn't fall under UK hate speech laws.
I think you and I both know how a man named Anjem Choudary doesn't run afoul of UK hate speech laws.
droit de progeur?
Nope, even after googling for a bit I'm coming up short. Enlighten an ignorant sod, would you?
It was a pun of droit de seigneur. I switched it out to mean "right of the prog".
I suppose the reason A-Chow gets away with it is because the powers that be are worried about being called racist or Islamaphobic.
Islam would be the second most successful religion.
Christianity is first, with 2.2 billion followers. Islam has 1.6 billion.
meh. I still think Christianity is far too fragmented to count as a monolithic bloc, whereas Islam (even with variants) is far more consistent.
The Sunni-Shiite divide is, at least currently, far more significant than any divisions within Christianity.
Let me know when Protestants start suicide bombing Catholics.
Not sure if threatening to make her the "next Louis Learner" is going to help. Might just cause her to dismiss you out of hand or make her dig in her heels.
OTOH, threatening to go to one of your representatives or to the media might have helped. Nothing makes cockroaches bureaucrats scatter like a little sunshine.
That line was mostly there to get the attention of the underling who will get the email first.
I don't find anything problematic in that quote (what's the context? I'm only vaguely familiar with this guy). One can be peaceful and still be prepared for war.
I found it on the wiki article for Al Azhar university. Tantawy was a big wig there.
Agree that it's possible to prepare for war and still be peaceful. However, military build-ups are rarely an omen of peace.
True, but they are sometimes necessary for defense. Also, he seemed to be talking more about military technology than raw numbers.
Prediction: Alligator.
Here The Guardian wrings its hands about the EDL. In fairness, some of them are bit far out, but the worst of them are nowhere near as bad as the worst of Britain's Islamic extremists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6_D9J685CQ
One doesn't have to sympathize with Islamic extremists to despise the EDL. Some of their more extreme members have gotten quite violent in the past, and some of them are legitimate neo-Nazis, who I'd say are at least comparably as bad as the worst Islamic extremists.
Let me know when the EDL blows up a bus or a train or chops someone's head off in broad daylight.
Well some of them tried to blow up a mosque a few years back.
http://www.lep.co.uk/news/loca....._1_4045242
And while it happened in a different country, many EDL types were quite praiseful of Anders Breivik, and it's not unthinkable that such a thing could happen in the UK in the future. Nazis (not that all EDL members are, but many of the more extreme ones are) don't exactly need to do much more to prove that they're are violent murderous thugs, the fact that they're a small minority too powerless to commit the genocide they would like to commit doesn't make them any less loathsome.
At the end of the day, both groups are despicable people, and I see no reason to try to downplay either group. One doesn't excuse the other.
Bull. The EDL has many Sikh and West Indian Members. They denounce racism and violence on the home page of their website:
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Together you're the independents? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
I like bacon on its own. I don't like it wrapped around anything.
Steak, scallops, and shrimp disagree.
Around steak it's pretty good.
Bacon is for breakfast. Don't mix the meals.
Beken...it's not just for breakfast anymore.
I ate bacon and eggs for dinner and dry cereal for lunch. Breakfast was a Red Bull.
Bacon-cheeseburgers say 'hi'.
No to any of this.
You want the terrorists to win.
Bacon-wrapped hotdog? Why the fuck have I not tried this?!
It's called a dodger dog.
This episode is starting to anger me.
Won't we like you if you're angry?
If you can tolerate Rufus begin to refer himself in the third person when he's upset.
I already got into it about GMO's with FB acquaintances earlier today. I say "got into it", but it was more that I left a few comments that contradicted the premise of the original post. As usual, a team of proggish fear mongers came out in 'freak-out' mode against me. I hadn't the time or energy to get too tangled up with them.
Anti-GMO luddites are on my list of people never to engage. It's a waste of time.
I'm with you now. They could be taking the time to debunk GMO-fears, and instead they're eating bugs.
Man domesticated pigs and cattle so that we didn't have to do that shit.
I guess Big GMO got hold of < i The Independents.
KMW off the top rope!
I don't care for Fruit Loops. They are neither fruit nor loops.
An ad for 9/11.
I tuned in late. If they're talking shit about Mountain Dew, I'm withholding my donation.
I heard Daniel Chamovitz of Daily Plant explain that anti-GMO is completely irrational. All fruits and vegetables have been altered in some way. The belief that you can eat a fruit in its natural 'position' is rooted in pure scientific ignorance. He used the tomato as an example. If you ate a tomato from the Andes in Peru where it originates, you'd die of poisoning. It was only through man modifying it did we get to be able to eat it.
You'll die even if you don't mix soda and pop rocks.
How about Coke and Mentos?
He's not angry.
That was good. Hey kool-aid.
I thought the five second rule was the rule where Kennedy shuts up for...wait for it...FIVE EFFEN SECONDS!
Stepping on powdered donuts?
You can hold the rank of commander and still be a captain.
I like Captain Crunch but it gets soggy too fast.
It scrapes the roof of your mouth.
Do you know what else scrapes the roof of your mouth?
Chance'lor Hitler cereal?
That too.
Lies!
It's why they call it the Big C.
Holy shit I have to sit through two Vanilla Ice commercials in a row?
NO MIXING OF THE RACES. That's why their garden was shut down.
That's why it's best to have no neighbors when possible.
Dude
SAY SOMETHING!
Blink twice if you agree with your wife.
It lives!
Wife!? That was her lawyer.
(guessing. i'm recalling the last time a woman 'suing/being sued' appeared, and there also was a silent dude riding shotgun)
Hear ye, Hear ye: No jail time for Adam Kokesh
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....story.html
He sort wussed out in court, but I suppose better to kiss the ring than get sent back the dungeon.
Another charismatic guest.
Fuck every single bureaucrat in North America who gets a pension and has pulled shit like this in the ASS AND EAR.
How long are they going to tease this Kennedy oral exploration?
The Independents Attire Review, 5 September 2014
Libertarian Paradox, or Paradise?-Edition
- Kennedy: Whatever this is called (*French Schoolgirl Outfit?), its reminiscent of early-1990s Tommy Hilfiger preppy-hip fashions. The color is our favorite of all, and since its the same general cut as an Izod, its more or less the best of all worlds, with the caveat of there being a #(*&^% French flag on her faux-crest. 'MURICA FiRST!!
- Matt: (Applause) Power-Matt can not be denied. We request that Matt keep at least one version of this recipe (Blue Suit, White Shirt, Strong Solid-Color Tie) in rotation every week. Its the epitome of 'TV host' and actually just amplifies everything 'sharp' about Matt's crisp Hitler-Youth Hairstyle and Malcolm X glasses. We rename this, "The ?berMatt"
- Kmele: A newish variation of the Plaid Formula; we're OK with it, though we think the same thing would work better with a matching jacket/tie combo (Navy/Navy). We think the Khaki blazer is sort of weak with the plaids unless they're tie-less. See Mike Malice, who makes the tieless version look a lot more composed. We remain "meh"/neutral.
Mahadsanid
Interesting accent.
I can see the RawStory headlines now: Desperate for attention, libertarians eat bugs on TV.
Little does Foster realize that Cap'n Crunch is made out of meal worms.
HOLY CRAP WAS THAT A TEABAG JOKE?
Grasshoppers are good, but if you eat them alive, pull the legs off first, or they get stuck in your throat until they die.
This isn't SERE school. They actually make them taste good.
ZOMBIES.
Caliph Crunch wears a deshdasha & turban. The cereal pieces are shaped like severed heads.
I'm laughing out loud right now.
This whole segment is one big pun...and I approve.
I see your big pun, and raise you...
Wow, they've just completely gone Food Network. Why not just riff on another cable network every week?
Like next Friday down Pawn Stars where they hock Kennedy's antiquated MTV stuff and the following week do an A&E murder porn thing with Matt Welch and his French wife.
Kmele can then host Project Independents.
Black ants taste like lemon drops.
High above the chimney tops?
OK, you asked for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM_F83qdB4U
I was looking for the Hawaiian version.
What's so exotic about something I find in my backyard in fricken Quebec?
I speak of grasshoppers.
I bet you have lamb testicles in your hands right now.
How did you know?
It's you. Q.E.D.
Kennedy had Ebola casserole.
Eating brains causes Celiac disease?
I want to see the cameras pan to Ken. and Matt when they go to commercial.
Let's list the animals we've eaten. My list:
chicken, cow, pig, duck, eel, turkey, various fish, frog, lobster, shrimp, alligator, ostrich, bison, squid, octopus, deer, rabbit, & groundhog.
"chicken, cow, pig, duck, eel, turkey, various fish, frog, lobster, shrimp, alligator, ostrich, bison, squid, octopus, deer, rabbit, & groundhog."
Not groundhog, but add squirrel.
Oh, and bivalves. At least three sorts.
Crawdads.
I was thinking of adding crawfish, but are they really a different species from Lobsters? I figured, 'shellfish' meh, whatever.
last summer I did Fresh Fish every day, and frankly i could pretty much do that the rest of my life (provided limitless beer) and be sorted.
That you in the pic? You look a little like Jason Statham.
c'est moi. I grew my hair back. its a work in progress.
You look just like I pictured you.
Normally i'm angrier
My facebook photo is circa 2005 or so, and I've got hair and a beard and a suit and am smiling. its the only thing i have that is useful as a reference that doesn't look like "ex-con".
Is that the same as your Linked In? That's the only pic I've seen. I like the ex-con look better.
yeah i think so.
GILMORE|9.5.14 @ 9:48PM|#
"I was thinking of adding crawfish, but are they really a different species from Lobsters? I figured, 'shellfish' meh, whatever."
Not really sure. Freshwater/saltwater.
Does eating vaginas count?
I'll allow it.
i can't think of anything to add to your list except Snake... lots of mollusks.... and real Brunswick Stew, which is basically lots of small game furry things (squirrel, Raccoon, muskrat, rabbit, etc)
Rattlesnake.
Tasty, breaded and fried.
I don't remember what kind of snake it was, but it was sort of uneventful
It was way out in the woods, and it was cooked over a fire, and I would have probably eaten slugs and not complained. although it was better than snails, IMHO. i asked for seconds.
..."although it was better than snails, IMHO."
I really like snails!
Well, I really like the sauce they're cooked in!
You could prolly put used gym shoes in there, and I'd claim I really like gym shoes!
But, the left over sauce and a good day's sour-dough is enough to put a pound on you easy.
Raccoon? See. I draw a red line at that.
Why? garbage?
The 'old Virgina' brunswick stew i used to get was in South Hill VA, and there'd be people coming in all day with strings of 'critters' that would go into the pot in back... they'd usually have a different batch they served from *(i think they cooked it for many hours before serving)...
... though last time i was there (few years back) it was suggested to me that regulations were going to shut down that kind of operation for fear of health-inspectors, etc. That stuff can survive in small towns where 'the cops' are pretty much your cousins... and AFAIK, it was only served seasonally, though i'm not sure how much that matters.
There was a restaurant in Nashville called the "Wild Boar" that had game meats... wonder if its still there...
Wild Boar - bankrupt in 2006
I went to college across the street, and we once convinced our very-rich classmates to host party there and all got hammered and ate venison and boar etc. The place was completely tricked out like a Super Fancy English Hunting Lodge type deal, but was (to my eyes) sort of gaudy, the kind of place Nashville executives go to smoke cigars and pretend they're classy.
Quail, pheasant, Hungarian partridge, chukar, ruffed grouse, sharp tailed grouse, prairie chicken, blue grouse, Canadian goose, elk, moose, mule deer, white tailed deer, antelope.
I forgot to include reindeer and elk on my list.
And snails
You got deer; I'm not sure which brands I've eaten.
Certainly quail and pheasant. Goose of some sort. Yeah, snails.
Fish eggs, if that counts as different than fish.
You ate Prancer?
I was in Alaska, not too far from Santa's Village.
Alaska is really cold, even in March. The ice sculpture park in Fairbanks is cool. I went down the ice slide on my belly like a penguin as the Northern Lights blazed overhead. Later, I drank vast amounts of beer at my brother's wedding.
Good times
I'm not as exotic as you pimps mostly because I'm not crazy about meats (fruits and vegetables on the other hand I've tried many, many, many sorts) but here goes: Chicken, cow, pig, duck, turkey, lamb, goat, rabbit, quail, some fish, frog, bison, caribou.
I think that's about it.
You got lamb in there; I'll bet we've all had that and sheep.
My mother cooked lamb, rabbit, goat (including all the weird parts), quail, you name it. We were exposed to a lot of food growing up.
Me? I was a soup and risotto guy. Give me a good soup with some bread and I was happy.
What's good soup? Keep in mind that I have the best Miso Ramen on the West Coast in front of me right now.
I dunno what Miso Ramen is, but Miso at Moshi Moshi is Japanese penicillin!
Pork bone simmered for 15 hours to make a fatty broth. Add soy sauce and miso, plus corn, green onion, ramen noodles, and pork belly to finish.
http://www.shinsengumigroup.co.....-ramen.php
Almost as good as Pho.
In a discussion it dawned on a friend and I that humans usually don't eat meat eaters, 'cause it's not economical. Why feed a cow and then feed the cow to something else?
But we do commonly eat fish predators, since the harvest other animals.
I've had these meats except sub emu for ostrich and subtract groundhog and add crawfish, crab and grasshoppers (in chapulines tacos). And lamb.
For my 50th I did a critter fritter with as many meats as I could find.
Beef, pork, chicken, lamb, rabbit, elk, antelope (pronghorn), deer, quail, duck, kangaroo, oryx. Oryx was the favorite.
Also add bunches of fish and shellfish including Lapish (a sort of mussel found in the Azores), alligator and snails, I've kinda got the spectrum covered.
... Hobbit
Oh, and rattlesnake.
... Hobbit
Not going to list the common stuff, but here are the more "interesting" animals I've eaten: Pheasant, quail, octopus, bison, caribou, ostrich, kangaroo, boar, venison, snail, rabbit, goat, horse. Oh yeah, and dog.
Sharing Economy
I still despise this term.
Casu marzu? [narrows gaze at Rufus]
I'm lactose-larvae intolerant.
Those food trucks there are all around times sq, where almost every building is an office tower and there's not a whole lot of 'cheap lunch' real-estate - the food trucks are an ideal match to the environment.
They wouldn't be there if there WERE restaurants that were being 'competed' with. They go where theres a 'market gap'.
Seriously. At lunch, I don't want to go to a sit down restaurant and pay meal prices plus tip and taxes.
I want a cheap, interesting lunch I can grab and eat on the go.
"Those food trucks there are all around times sq, where almost every building is an office tower and there's not a whole lot of 'cheap lunch' real-estate - the food trucks are an ideal match to the environment."
In places like NY and SF, those trucks remove RE costs from the food they serve. Not even Micky Ds can do that.
Let's pound you with regulations so that you can't earn as much as you can but you have to pay people a living wage and high taxes to cover our pensions.
Definition of parasites.
Someone here said the way to tell who is the parasite and who is the host is to separate the two and see who whines the most.
We need to find out who that is and give him/her a rousing welcome!
I once ate nothing but store brand Cap'n Crunch Berries for several days just to see what color my shit would be.
Ah, college...
Let me guess...Green?
Nope- it was a rainbow.
Nights like tonight make me believe that this must be the "Writers Week Off".
The hosts were like, "we'll just talk about food and shit"
I thought the show was good. Maybe they should fire the writers.
ha
Yeah, that wouldn't last long. Think 'endless aftershow'
Mostly shit.
The word vegetable is meaningless in botany. Every part of a plant is either a root, a shoot, or a fruit.
Is a seed a fruit?
The seed is usually part of the fruit.
/pendant
The word vegetable does not appear in this glossary of botany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.....morphology
*pedant
"*pedant"
Is that Joe's law? Or Cole's law?
I hate coleslaw.
A glaring oversight of the show: armed raids on raw milk producers.
As per my original comment - I think GMOs got a 2 min passing reference, while listening to them NOM NOM NOM went on for 30% of the show.
GMO threads uniformly attract some luddite or other.
Some are just plain hopeless neo-lithic romantics; others tend to dress it up in a psuedo-scientific 'precautionary' lab-coat. But we *always* get at least one to laugh at.
Not sure that would work on TV; would they get that Indian pig-woman to support the stupid?
Hey, its DOBBS!
Slate discovered Balko's long article about St. Louis. Check out this caveat in the second paragraph:
Balko is a civil liberties advocate who's written for the libertarian publication Reason, so if you're inclined you can take his framing of the issues with a grain of salt. But the most stunning parts of his piece aren't anecdotes or rhetoric; they're facts about a system that raises money for itself by deluging a largely-black population with fines and tickets for minor civic infractions, then punishes them again and again with arrests and imprisonment for not being able to navigate a convoluted judicial system.
"if you're inclined"
(i.e. - assume he's a right wing crazy!!)
A liberal associate put Balko's article on facebook today (I assume he saw it because it was on Slate). His takeaway was that the problem was we've "gutted the tax system" and now have to collect money from poor people via tickets and fines.
"His takeaway was that the problem was we've "gutted the tax system" and now have to collect money from poor people via tickets and fines."
Austerity: It's when someone somewhere doesn't get what they want from the government!
Yes, the cupboards are bare in those poor, cash-strapped municipalities. Cut pensions, you say? Do you want are glorious public servants to starve?
*our
What a fucking idiot. So I'm guessing he believes that there is some pile of money or rich corporation hiding in one of these tiny towns that can be mugged instead? It can't be that the towns are freaking poor and can't afford the protection money and so it is being taken from them by force?
I imagine he couldn't consider it, the cognitive dissonance would probably be torture.
I was over on Twitchy, myself, talking about this piece with the "small government conservatives" there and the experience was equally fruitless.
I have not seen it. But now I will watch it.