These Clues Can Help Identify Innocent People to Hassle, Confine, and Forcibly Treat

"These Clues Help Identify a Mentally Ill 'Lone Gunman' Before Tragedy Strikes," says the headline over a Huffington Post essay by Canadian psychologist Romeo Vitelli. Nine hundred words later, Vitelli has arrived at the end of his post, and he still has not revealed any of those clues. His bait and switch illustrates the false promise that paying more attention to "warning signs" can prevent mass shootings and other acts of violence by unhinged malcontents.
"In one recent study comparing lone right-wing offenders to right-wing offenders belonging to larger organizations," Vitelli writes, "the rate of mental illness was significantly higher among the lone offenders." I thought we were looking for factors that distinguish people who commit acts of violence from people who don't, not factors that distinguish one kind of violent criminal from another. Even assuming that "the rate of mental illness" is higher among unafilliated terrorists than among the general population (as seems likely), how useful is that information?
"Among the diagnoses linked to potential violence are schizophrenia and mood disorders (usually depression)," Vitelli writes. But he concedes that "most people with these disorders are not a violent risk." Furthermore, "though some lone offenders may have a previous history of minor offending, most have no previous history of violence," and they "act normally to avoid suspicion until the offense happens."
You'd think that last observation would be enough to discourage Vitelli, but you'd be wrong. Although he cautions that lone offenders "can vary widely in terms of what may have driven them to violence," he mentions divorced parents, "major life change," "acute stress," a recent experience with "prejudice," and "recent financial problems" as other possible markers of homicidal impulses. The problem with "clues" like these is that they identify a very large population of suspects, almost none of whom will turn out to be guilty.
The same is true of people who say weird or disturbing things online. Yet Vitelli thinks the British government is onto something with its Fixated Threat Assessment Centre, which aims to protect members of the royal family and other public figures by "monitoring social media for 'manifestos' being published or other suggestions that some sort of violent incident is about to happen." Apparently if someone's comments about Prince Charles are deemed excessively vituperative, he can expect a visit from the authorities. Not that posting a manifesto is necessarily a crime; it may merely be a symptom of treatable mental illness. "Along with identifying potential threats," Vitelli cheerily informs us, "FTAC also provides psychiatric services to defuse the threat where possible."
Imagine how many such services could be provided if FTAC were transplanted to the U.S. and expanded to protect not just celebrities but the whole population. In case you are wondering how those services feel to people on the receiving end, consider the experience of Brandon Raub, a Virginia man who was locked in a psychiatric institution and forcibly evaluated because of political opinions he expressed on Facebook. Judging from his lawsuit, Raub did not appreciate those services.
Vitelli laments that "police and security agencies are usually not able to act until an actual criminal offense occurs." He does not seem to consider the possibility that there are sound civil lbertarian reasons for that inability. But don't worry: "research…can help these agencies make more informed decisions about how to intervene before it is too late." After all, "whether or not they are able to act in time can often spell the difference between life and death."
If Vitelli had provided even a single example of a mass murder prevented by the sort of intervention he has in mind, his argument would be stronger. But it still would not account for all the innocent people caught in the psychiatric dragnet he is proposing.
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Needz more precogs?
Maybe we can just lock up everybody until they can prove that they're not a criminal.
It seems crazy not to do this! How many have to die?
Well, we've adopted the Soviet model of policing, why not adopt their model of psychiatry too?
It's only a matter of time.
I've come here to chew gum and enforce thought crime. And I'm all out of gum.
Here's a question that makes more sense than Vitelli makes:
On a scale of one through giraffe, what is your favorite color of the alphabet?
Fish.
Species, please.
Cheddar
This is Reason. "Carp", clearly.
If you're walking through a forest with a canoe in your pocket, and the wheels fall off, how many red flags does it take to cover a dog house?
42
Winner, winner! Couldn't get through the pants on fire!
I hate the giraffe scale. It is based on imperial units. The rest of the world has moved to the metric based bathtubs of rope measurement.
Using that I care 1.42 kk (kilo knots)
Does it not occur to this guy that the police will mostly get it wrong when they act before there is any criminal act or does he just not care?
Here's your answer:
He's a statist control freak.
Liberals believe that psychiatry is an objective science.
The "mentally ill" not-a-thoughtcriminal will, of course, be locked up for an indefinite period of time for treatment, or until he repents of his heresy.
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
*Not that posting a manifesto is necessarily a crime; it may merely be a symptom of treatable mental illness. *
Based on this, the entire staff of the Huffington Post, all of their readers and commenters qualify for a free mind probe.
So he sees the benefits from treating eccentrics and loners with suspicion, but none of the costs.
Maybe psychologists should read Bastiat in grad school right after they get done reading Frankl.
And by Frankl, I mean Szasz.
"Yet Vitelli thinks the British government is onto something with its Fixated Threat Assessment Centre, which aims to protect members of the royal family and other public figures by "monitoring social media for 'manifestos' being published or other suggestions that some sort of violent incident is about to happen."
I've heard that the queen is a lizard.
http://www.neonnettle.com/feed.....dy-lizard-
Jacob:
Obviously you missed Vitelli's point: The "clue(s)" is that the person is some kind of right-wing nutjob.
You can tell they're right wingers because they're violent.
Ergo, acting normal is suspicious.
I have long secretly wished for the forcible institutionalization of people not like me. But who would make my hamburgers, or provide satellite teevee programming, or make music for my enjoyment, or cast votes on my behalf in the Senate?
I reluctantly permit them to roam free.
I can cook my own hamburgers, I don't watch TV, and music can be made from the confines of prison.
I say lock 'em up.
"act normally to avoid suspicion until the offense happens."
When will we close this legal loophole which puts us all at risk?
And of course HuffPo publishes this shit, because "right wing."
Out of curiosity, how do they know offenders are right wing?
Do they ask the criminals if they prefer a top income tax rate of 29% like notable right-winger Ted Kennedy or a 40% rate like Obama? Or maybe in Canada the traditionalists want the queen to take a more active role in the state.
They assume that they are until they prove they are not.
Duh, they are obviously right-wing because GUNS!
It doesn't matter if most of them are pseudo-Marxist or whatever because Sarah Palin crosshairs something something rabble rabble.
Once the Leto II takes over all will be well
These Clues Can Help Identify Innocent People to Hassle, Confine, and Forcibly Treat
(1) They are not wearing a police uniform.
Umm, I think that's the only clue they need, right?
Too bad the constitution didn't include veto powers for, say family members and the police. Why should rights apply to scary people? Then, intervention would be possible at the merest of a hint of threat. There's very little chance this would ever be abused, right? Maybe one of the states could try this approach?