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Politics

Tonight on The Independents: Government Secrets, With Judge Napolitano, Jesse Walker, Andy Levy, Thaddeus Russell, Julian Sanchez, and Bryan Suits!

Matt Welch | 8.1.2014 7:05 PM

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Have you ever said to yourself, "Dang, imagine what it would look like if a bunch of well-informed libertarians got to go on cable news and spend an entire hour talking about the history, legality, and operational realities of government secrecy and the various conspiracy theories it generates"? Well then do I have a program for you.

Tonight's theme episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three and five hours later) is all about "Government Secrets." It starts with the nation's foremost thinker about conspiracy theories (including those the mainstream deploys against the fringe), none other than our own beloved Jesse Walker, author of the already classic The United States of Paranoia: A Conspiracy Theory. He'll join Red Eye co-host Andy Levy in walking through a variety of kooky (or seemingly kooky) public opinions on aliens, the JFK assassination, COINTELPRO, MK-Ultra, and 9/11, and how the government's behavior exacerbates and even encourages creative explanations of reality, in addition to healthy skepticism about leviathan's claims on privileged classification.

Occidental University historian and Reason contributor Thaddeus Russell will then come on to talk about historical skullduggery, from Operation Paperclip to the CIA-backed Iranian coup in 1953 to the Gulf of Tonkin incident. KABC radio host (and multiple-theater combat veteran) Bryan Suits will provide a serio-comical take on the government's bizzaro system for providing and enforcing security clearances. And for a break in the battle, Andy Levy will join Forbes columnist Rick Ungar in playing a whodunnit game of "Fact or Film?"

That's a pretty awesome show already, and then BOOM! Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst and Reason.com columnist Andrew Napolitano comes on to break down the (il)legality of the current government's vast surveillance-and-secrecy game. Not sold yet? How about Cato Institute scholar and former Reasoner Julian Sanchez detailing the nuts-and-bolts costs of secrecy, including in dollars lost by the private sector?

This is the kind of television program that you should really watch, preferably on your television. Get some Jiffy Pop! Pour a tall one! Lock the doors! Above all, be paranoid….

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  1. The Immaculate Trouser   11 years ago

    Have you ever said to yourself, "Dang, imagine what it would look like if a bunch of well-informed libertarians got to go on cable news and spend an entire hour talking about the history, legality, and operational realities of government secrecy and the various conspiracy theories it generates"? Well then do I have a program for you.

    Oh shit. The Independents has achieved self-awareness.

  2. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    John Wilkes Booth, on the Grassy Knoll, with a plasma rifle from Area 51.

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Conspiracy theorist! That's been de-bunked a thousand times!

      Everyone in the know, knows that it was the illuminati lizard kings with their giant death laser from inside the hollow moon!

    2. Episiarch   11 years ago

      "I came to confess. I was second gunman on the grassy knoll."

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower.

        1. Episiarch   11 years ago

          Well, at least it wasn't the sequel. And believe me, I can sink lower. A lot lower.

    3. Headless Body of Agnew   11 years ago

      I thought Lister made JFK do it himself.

  3. Hyperion   11 years ago

    Have you ever said to yourself, "Dang, imagine what it would look like if a bunch of well-informed libertarians got to go on cable news and spend an entire hour talking about the history, legality, and operational realities of government secrecy and the various conspiracy theories it generates"?

    And also imagined if they weren't interrupted by Kennedy every 2 minutes? Yeah, I had a dream...

    Sorry, Kennedy, I really love you girl, but if it's all our guys, you don't have to interrupt them, really...

    1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      Compulsive behavior is compulsive.

  4. Sevo   11 years ago

    Re: O-care popularity.
    Anybody seen this chart before?
    http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets.....re_ads.png
    Anybody actually see any ads opposed to O-care after it was passed?

    1. Hyperion   11 years ago

      Anybody actually see any ads opposed to O-care after it was passed?

      How could there be? Because now we see why we had to pass it to see what's in it! Now that everyone has free healthcare, it's only a matter of voting a straight democrat ticket and waiting for paradise to arrive!

    2. Suthenboy   11 years ago

      I am gonna express some skepticism at that 27M number. I assume they are omitting all of the post-passage propaganda efforts to get rubes to sign up.

      1. BakedPenguin   11 years ago

        Both those number look like utter bullshit to me. even if they're using "creative" definitions.

      2. GILMORE   11 years ago

        "Suthenboy|8.1.14 @ 8:15PM|#

        I am gonna express some skepticism at that 27M number. I assume they are omitting all of the post-passage propaganda efforts to get rubes to sign up.
        "

        as noted below - i think what Vox have done here is created an impression using 'old data'.

        The source they attribute the data to was doing studies of ACA related spending *leading up to the start of the law*....

        meaning, all the spending they're talking about was 2010-2013... not taking into account all the money the govt spent promoting the exchanges once they'd gotten started - which has been in the hundreds of millions.

    3. Sevo   11 years ago

      But has anyone seen an anti-O-care ad? I laughed with everyone else about PJ-kid and the slut from Colorado, but I can't remember a single anti ad.

      1. BigT   11 years ago

        Anybody actually see any ads opposed to O-care after it was passed?

        What need is there? The news is ad enough against O-care.

    4. paranoid android   11 years ago

      I would imagine they must be counting ads run in opposition to pols who supported the ACA as "anti-Obamacare", but even then it seems like a stretch (I really wouldn't know, I don't pay attention to ads in any form, really). Hard to tell much of anything based on just that graph.

    5. GILMORE   11 years ago

      I never saw any 'anti ACA' ads. Online, TV, Radio... anything.

      Whereas i've seen bajillions Healthcare.gov promos

      Where do their numbers come from? AP noted that the Fed govt approved $684m in subsidies to the states to promote the ACA

      breitbart covers that news:

      "AP research from all 50 states shows the amount of government spending will range from a low of 46 cents per capita in Wisconsin, which has ceded responsibility for its health insurance exchange to the federal government, to $9.23 per capita in West Virginia, which opted for a state-federal partnership.

      About $4.8 million in public money will be spent trying to sign up New Jersey's 1.3 million uninsured, for example, compared to the nearly $28 million spent reaching out to Washington state's much smaller 960,000."

      California alone was set to spend ~$300m or so in the state on promotional efforts.

      Vox uses narrowly tailored definitions to make dishonest point?? I AM SHOCKED?

      This story suggests the Govt spending was aiming closer to $1.5bn

      I looked at the Kantar Media group's source info on the ACA related ad-spend... and it appears most of what they measured was all previous to Oct 2013.

      Meaning, all the 'anti-spending' happened 2010-2013.

      1. Sevo   11 years ago

        "Meaning, all the 'anti-spending' happened 2010-2013."

        Even during that time, I do not recall anyone taking out ads opposing it.
        I remember various politicos opposing it publicly, but no one in my recollection paid for an ad opposing it.
        VOX bullshit.

      2. Sevo   11 years ago

        GILMORE|8.1.14 @ 8:34PM|#
        "I never saw any 'anti ACA' ads. Online, TV, Radio... anything."

        OK, a guy over in the O-care thread says he had one showing on his X-box.
        I didn't know an X-box showed ads, but then I'm a fogie.

    6. Acosmist   11 years ago

      No, of course those numbers are made up, but imagine they weren't. People reveal their preferences with their dollars. So, people really don't like Obamacare!

      Does Vox really want to go there? Because they just made a pretty strong case against it.

      1. Suthenboy   11 years ago

        Pinkos have little to no grasp of economics or of human nature. People's preferences, incentives, etc. are mysteries to them as they are to all sociopathic types. this is why they think coercion is so peachy.

  5. seguin   11 years ago

    Also, Lou Dobbs

  6. Aloysious   11 years ago

    Wil Wheaton's Table Top Season 1 Episode 1

    We need (ok...I want)Wil Wheaton as a guest on The Independants. It can be called 'the Gaming Episode".

    Make it so.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      You're banned.

      1. Aloysious   11 years ago

        C'mon. Kennedy would be a blast to play a table top game with. Welch, i think I can take him. Kmele would be problematic.

        1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

          This reminds me, I've been meaning to watch that episode of Next-Gen that Kennedy is in. Perhaps I'll do so during the 9-10 (eastern) time block. It's not there's anything else good to watch during that time.

          1. SusanM   11 years ago

            NextGen or Voyager?

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt07.....cl_sm#cast

            1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

              It appears to be Voyager. My mistake.

    2. SusanM   11 years ago

      Knew a TT gamer. Obsessed with Warhammer 40k. He was always reading the books, painting figurines and sets and spending major bucks getting them all. After two years of knowing him, I asked him how good he was at playing the game.

      The blank look that he had when he admitted that he hadn't actually played it was priceless.

      1. Aloysious   11 years ago

        Warhammer 40k players can be a bit... obsessive. They make us socially awkward D&Ders; look suave.

        1. SusanM   11 years ago

          But do you have at least two rooms of your house stocked floor-to-ceiling with TTG's? With none of them played and few even open? That's another thing that blew me away with this guy and a couple other gamers I knew.

          NTTAWWT though. I guess it's a good way to diagnose Asperger's.

          1. Episiarch   11 years ago

            Well some people are just major collectors, and they get into collecting shit for a game, but they have absolutely no interest in the game itself because they're really just collectors. Sounds like that's what this guy is.

            1. GILMORE   11 years ago

              Or a dork

              1. Episiarch   11 years ago

                You're a towel!

              2. SusanM   11 years ago

                Or both. I'm no better though, I mean I do get pretty smug about the dorkness of others when I forget about the extensively indexed collection of Magic: The Gathering cards I used to have.

            2. wheelock   11 years ago

              I geeked out on those things for a little bit when I was a kid and never managed to play the game. Kinda fun to try and draw a smooth line with a single badger hair in orc pus yellow...

          2. Aloysious   11 years ago

            But do you have at least two rooms of your house stocked floor-to-ceiling with TTG's?

            D&D stuff going back to the Basic Red Box? Yes. They've all been opened and played, though.

            1. SusanM   11 years ago

              🙂

    3. Redmanfms   11 years ago

      Am I wrong for viewing Wil Wheaton as an obnoxious douchebag?

  7. GILMORE   11 years ago

    - Will Jesse wear a tie? Outlook: Not so good
    - Thad Russell: Shaven? Quasi-Shaven? Or bald-faced truth-telling?
    - Will the Judge go full on chalk-stripes *again*?
    - Julian Alfonso Diego Montoya De Las Mercedes Acosta Sanchez: We suspect some clashing will ensue; he is a man who seems to reject convention in favor of 'selective garishness'.
    -Suits: Glasses? Has he always worn glasses? my fuzzy memory says its been a 50/50 split
    - "*Andy Levy*"?.... that's it?? Who Kidnapped and Replaced "TV's Andy Levy" with a look-alike?

    We look forward to the awful and contemptible things Rick Ungar will say to make the current administration seem slightly less dishonest, incompetent and hypocritical in its handling of things like, say, "Torture, Spying on Citizens vs. criticism of CIA for spying on Congress, Hamhanded/mealy-mouthed response to exposure of surveillance of foreign leaders, complete evaporation of American diplomatic power in relation to the Israel, silent collapse of US State Dept efforts in Libya, etc..."

  8. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Was Kennedy in New Zealand about 18 years ago? Because Lorde totally looks like she could be Kennedy's bastard daughter

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      Name 3 'Lourde' songs

      1. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

        The fuck should I know? I only know the name because it's mononymous and Kennedy identified her in the caption.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          I was actually hoping there would be something other than 'that one song'.

          Which i like the clown version of better.

      2. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

        Buzzcut Season, Royals, Team.

        No 'u' btw.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Prediction: Pretape

  10. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    It's raining men.

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Tease.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Hallelujah.

  11. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    Call me crazy, but I believe that the Pearl Harbor attack was allowed to happen to justify US entry into WW2.

    1. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

      Leaving a boat right in the way of getting sunk wasn't fresh anymore.

    2. Redmanfms   11 years ago

      You're crazy.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Walker forget his tie.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    So Levy is telling us we should be paranoid.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    One of the ships they saw was Voyager, of which Kennedy was a crew member.

  15. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    It's all a scam.

  16. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    Area 51

    Duh. Everyone who is anyone has seen "Independence Day".

  17. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    There was a mine shaft gap.

  18. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    What, not blaming Israel Kmele? For shame. Tsk, tsk.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Walker ended strong.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Oh, wait, he's still there.

  20. jesse.in.mb   11 years ago

    The state security apparatus is Warty Hugeman?

  21. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I assume it was Ali.

  22. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    This commercial is fascinating, given that I thought it was only people who were already readers of 'Reason' that watched 'The Independents'. Perhaps we may convert some neocons?

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Do you subscribe or only read it online? Because they want you to subscribe.

      1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

        I donate.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    You know who else used Nazi scientists?

    1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

      Nazis?

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Hookers?

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      NASA? The USSR? E. Germany? W. Germany? The VW factory?
      Hey, I got a million of 'em!

    3. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      Most supervillians?

      Nazi. The most trusted name in henchmen.
      If it's not Nazi, it's not evil enough.

  24. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Kennedy looking sultry in black.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      Masher.

      1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

        Costanza.

  25. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    Werner von Broun: he aims for the stars, but mostly hits London.

    1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

      If you shoot for the stars, you might hit the moon London.

    2. Whahappan?   11 years ago

      LOL, for real.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Will < i The Independents not not shit all over anything?

  27. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    I wandered off the marked trail on Youtube again and found this. It's a scene from Jihad: The Musical.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDDb5VYwbY

    1. Aloysious   11 years ago

      Not bad. Suitably irreverent.

  28. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

    Didn't the Americans have to defeat the Fascists/Nazis in order to get to the scientist? If so, then Russell is looking at it backwards. Of course the objective was to beat the enemy and then get the spoils that come with victory - including scientists.

  29. GILMORE   11 years ago

    The Independents Attire Review, 1 August 2014

    Crazy White People-Edition

    - Kennedy: Thematic Black? Ah, she tells me so immediately. Thanks K! We liked the Black T, because we thought "Ramones". This black...thing? Makes us think "Black Leotard Top", and we immediately start having dance-instructor submission fantasies. Maybe I should put on the "Fame" soundtrack.

    - Matt: (Slow Dramatic Clap) Normally, Matt wears Pink Shirt? and I complain. Because normally... the Tie is Wrong. This, however, is The Right Tie. This is the tie that makes us say, "needs pink shirt!". Getting these 2 together seems like its taken forever. Oh, I know its happened once or twice before, but as far as I'm concerned, its brand new every time. We applaud Matt's belated discovery of 'harmony'. Our only niggle? Would be nice to fatten up that knot a little w/ this wider collar. Like a Half-Windsor. Give it a try!

    - Kmele: We have difficulty parsing the 'good' from the 'better' in Kmele's cornucopia of 'plaid-shirt w/jacket & tie' combos. We prefer the shirts with fewer colors aligned with the grey and blue knit ties; however, this works too! Its always a toss up between syncing the tie & shirt vs. tie & jacket. With the more-busy color patterns, the black tie & dark jacket provide the needed 'neutral contrast' that makes it look balanced.

    Gr?zzie

    1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

      Drop one 'Z'. Grazie.

      Your friendly neighborhood guinea.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

        Eh, whatsamattayou?

      2. GILMORE   11 years ago

        You know what's funny? I knew that, but in my list of "ways to say thanks" it is misspelled. Or rather, spelled like that.

        I left it because, 'why the fuck not'. They have like 20 versions of 'Italian' anyway.

        1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

          That's because there many Italian dialects. But Tuscan is the official Italian.

          1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

            are.

            1. robc   11 years ago

              Tuscan are the official Italian?

          2. GILMORE   11 years ago

            Well, then that was *your* confusion, because I was speaking as a Maltese

            1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

              Heh.

              1. Rufus J. Firefly   11 years ago

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_language

                But I don't think Maltese is in the Latin family. According to Wiki, it's in the Asian realm.

  30. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Some day they'll be able to hand over their war powers to regulators instead.

  31. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    It's not easy being black ops.

  32. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Saddam?

  33. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    What a coincidence, Alaska. Salmon give me energy...to catch more salmon.

  34. GILMORE   11 years ago

    ah, Funkadelic

  35. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    So here is what Chris Hedges considers to be the best speech in history:

    A speech by Chris Hedges

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQky0mTizgY

    Of all the beasts in the derp jungle, Chris Hedges is by far my favorite. It's like he tries really, really hard to sound as boring as possible.

    blah blah blah bladdy blah...blah blah blah...blah, blah blah blahblahblah blah

    1. Aloysious   11 years ago

      There's 55 minutes of that shit? Jesus H. Christ. I'm trying to listen to that, but my gawd, is that meandering and boring and pointless.

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        It is the first evolution in Hell Week for derp SEALs.

        Do you have what it takes?! NO!? Then get off my beach you goddamn quitter!

        Ring the bell! Ring the bell!

        1. Aloysious   11 years ago

          Oh, a challenge is it?

          I counter your Chris Hedges derp With a solid one hour nine minutes and thirty one seconds of a droning, nattering, old Gnome Chompsky derp.

          1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

            Another derp-off?

            Are you sure you know what you're getting into?

            1. Aloysious   11 years ago

              You are the Derpmaster. I just couldn't cede the battlefield without a token resistance.

    2. Rich   11 years ago

      Thanks, Derpetologist!

      I've bookmarked that to listen to when I have trouble falling asleep.

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        It really is a masterpiece.

  36. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    BREAK YOUR CLEARANCE! It's Fox Biz. We're alone here, no one will know.

  37. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Good luck googling me. I had the French remove me from searches.

  38. Rev-Match   11 years ago

    Only I am allowed to google me (unless explicit consent is given. Here, sign these forms).

  39. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    This Fred Thompson movie trailer looks like something from Drunk History.

  40. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    Are you suffering from euphoria? Here, this will bring you down. It is by far the dumbest question ever asked at a presidential debate:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75S-n6oWddc

    Keep in mind there are millions of people who think exactly like that guy.

    1. Rich   11 years ago

      "There's a real need here to focus on the needs."

      "Need is HERE!"

  41. Wandering Texan   11 years ago

    That was an exceptionally meaningless segment. Almost content-free. Mild bitching about revocations, and no explanation of the half-dozen terms used.

  42. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I've set up a tax free zone around myself like a mobile Faraday cage.

    1. Rev-Match   11 years ago

      The rest of us have employers that allow the raiding of our bi-weekly paychecks.

  43. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Third place is you're fired.

  44. Grand Moff Serious Man   11 years ago

    So unsurprisingly, that 'Persecuted' movie was universally panned by critics. While I do not doubt that it is a ham-fisted and awfully made movie, one reviewer wrote this:

    Justin Chang from Variety concluded his scathing review with, "At a time when the world offers us no shortage of examples of what actual religious persecution looks like, for a film to indulge in this particular brand of self-righteous fearmongering isn't just clueless or reckless; it's an act of contemptible irresponsibility."

    Hmm, I agree. But the thing is, isn't that something other perpetually aggrieved groups like feminists and gay rights activists should also consider? War on Women? In Afghanistan and Pakistan women are attacked for trying to get an education.

    1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

      A movie about persecution of Christians would be more plausible if it was set in China or Pakistan or maybe some future dystopia.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        Like... Future China...

  45. GILMORE   11 years ago

    "Enemy of the State"

  46. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Ungar Strike.

  47. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Bruce Willis film.

  48. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    She's like Price Waterhouse and the Oscars.

  49. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Jesus, the Judge looks like he's 4 feet tall

    1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

      I can't tell if this means your television set is very big or very small.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        He was as tall as "kennedy sitting down"

        Either she is very tall, or he is rather short.

      2. Rich   11 years ago

        It might have been something he ate.

        The Judge, I mean.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

          I think to grow small you grab the DRINK ME bottle.

  50. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    For those following my new hobby as a letter-writing crank, here is my latest offering:

    http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....-east.html

    1. Aloysious   11 years ago

      Any more hassle with Mary?

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        Nope. I shooed her off.

    2. Sevo   11 years ago

      "But on a positive note, the war made a strong impact on public memory, and the US never again waged a fruitless war in the Middle East."

      I've often wondered regarding the original cause of that caution.

  51. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    I think the President feels more comfortable dealing with CIA and their drones than the military and theirs.

  52. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Chalk stripes FTW

  53. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Dumbass.

  54. GILMORE   11 years ago

    I find it very hard to take the umbrage of 'spied upon' congresspeople seriously when these same people shrugged when it was disclosed that the NSA was hoovering up private information about 300+ million Americans.

  55. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Might was well get Cantor out of that Reason Magazine commercial. It's dated.

  56. Derpetologist   11 years ago

    OT: The Navy Seal website claims that during Hell Week, the trainees run 200 miles, exercise 20 hours a day, while only getting 4 hours of sleep total.

    I call bullshit. Japanese office workers routinely drop dead from far less exertion during the karoshi season.

    1. Wandering Texan   11 years ago

      I think you might be wildly under-estimating the capabilities of a physically fit adult male between the ages of 18 and 30, especially after a couple months of direct build-up and likely a couple years of preparation.

      1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

        I know about the guy who ran a marathon every day for a year, but he got to sleep and eat as he needed it.

        The running alone is up there with the best endurance runners in the world.

        If the claim is true, I would expect a large number of SEALs to also be world-class athletes.

        I could believe the 200 miles in 5 days thing if they were allowed to sleep normally.

        1. GILMORE   11 years ago

          Enjoy

          from my memory of the doco, it amounts to 'jogging' about 2 miles every hour while doing a variety of other things. There are maybe 1-2 actual 'runs' of 4 miles or more.

          It mostly just moving nonstop for 5 days with a few breaks, and being constantly abused while freezing cold. The 'physical' stuff is pretty low-impact. Its the sustained nature of it.

          1. Derpetologist   11 years ago

            That sounds plausible.

            I remember watching that a long time ago.

  57. vserve629   11 years ago

    OK who comes up with that nonsense?

    http://www.TotalAnon.tk

    1. Sevo   11 years ago

      Ro Jac Ma or something like that. He seems to.

  58. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Snowden is worse than the polar vortex for the United States economy!

  59. GILMORE   11 years ago

    Bonus

    - Dirty Sanchez = brings *mad game*! We've been thrown some odd combos by Julian in the past, but this micro-stripe grey suit with the purple tie is just *banging*. I have in the past noted that 'grey suits' have a certain magic harmony with purple ties, and you often see people re-hashing versions of it because it really is that effective. This - which mixes in the stripes/dots combo to busy it up, as well as the sky-blue shirt, is just fantastic. Only gripe - dude, *collar stays*. the tips of the shirt collar droop like he's sitting in a sauna. Its a subtle thing that has a direct effect on how 'sharp' the look is, and sadly extremely common.

  60. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    Foster goes after the Truthers.

  61. Fist of Etiquette   11 years ago

    AH! Lou Dobbs.

  62. GILMORE   11 years ago

    "Thus Sprach Zarathustra" by Deodato

    Kind of a 'funk-jazz' sleeper #

    1. GILMORE   11 years ago

      also, the opening of this has been used for many a DJ set...

    2. Jesse Walker   11 years ago

      Put to good use in the Being There soundtrack.

      1. GILMORE   11 years ago

        DJ Jay-Walk in the hissouse

  63. Zserve90   11 years ago

    Sounds like a plan to me dude.

    http://www.TotalAnon.tk

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