Tonight on The Independents: Government Secrets, With Judge Napolitano, Jesse Walker, Andy Levy, Thaddeus Russell, Julian Sanchez, and Bryan Suits!
Have you ever said to yourself, "Dang, imagine what it would look like if a bunch of well-informed libertarians got to go on cable news and spend an entire hour talking about the history, legality, and operational realities of government secrecy and the various conspiracy theories it generates"? Well then do I have a program for you.
Tonight's theme episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, with re-airs three and five hours later) is all about "Government Secrets." It starts with the nation's foremost thinker about conspiracy theories (including those the mainstream deploys against the fringe), none other than our own beloved Jesse Walker, author of the already classic The United States of Paranoia: A Conspiracy Theory. He'll join Red Eye co-host Andy Levy in walking through a variety of kooky (or seemingly kooky) public opinions on aliens, the JFK assassination, COINTELPRO, MK-Ultra, and 9/11, and how the government's behavior exacerbates and even encourages creative explanations of reality, in addition to healthy skepticism about leviathan's claims on privileged classification.
Occidental University historian and Reason contributor Thaddeus Russell will then come on to talk about historical skullduggery, from Operation Paperclip to the CIA-backed Iranian coup in 1953 to the Gulf of Tonkin incident. KABC radio host (and multiple-theater combat veteran) Bryan Suits will provide a serio-comical take on the government's bizzaro system for providing and enforcing security clearances. And for a break in the battle, Andy Levy will join Forbes columnist Rick Ungar in playing a whodunnit game of "Fact or Film?"
That's a pretty awesome show already, and then BOOM! Fox News Senior Judicial Analyst and Reason.com columnist Andrew Napolitano comes on to break down the (il)legality of the current government's vast surveillance-and-secrecy game. Not sold yet? How about Cato Institute scholar and former Reasoner Julian Sanchez detailing the nuts-and-bolts costs of secrecy, including in dollars lost by the private sector?
This is the kind of television program that you should really watch, preferably on your television. Get some Jiffy Pop! Pour a tall one! Lock the doors! Above all, be paranoid….
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Oh shit. The Independents has achieved self-awareness.
John Wilkes Booth, on the Grassy Knoll, with a plasma rifle from Area 51.
Conspiracy theorist! That's been de-bunked a thousand times!
Everyone in the know, knows that it was the illuminati lizard kings with their giant death laser from inside the hollow moon!
"I came to confess. I was second gunman on the grassy knoll."
Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower.
Well, at least it wasn't the sequel. And believe me, I can sink lower. A lot lower.
I thought Lister made JFK do it himself.
Have you ever said to yourself, "Dang, imagine what it would look like if a bunch of well-informed libertarians got to go on cable news and spend an entire hour talking about the history, legality, and operational realities of government secrecy and the various conspiracy theories it generates"?
And also imagined if they weren't interrupted by Kennedy every 2 minutes? Yeah, I had a dream...
Sorry, Kennedy, I really love you girl, but if it's all our guys, you don't have to interrupt them, really...
Compulsive behavior is compulsive.
Re: O-care popularity.
Anybody seen this chart before?
http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets.....re_ads.png
Anybody actually see any ads opposed to O-care after it was passed?
Anybody actually see any ads opposed to O-care after it was passed?
How could there be? Because now we see why we had to pass it to see what's in it! Now that everyone has free healthcare, it's only a matter of voting a straight democrat ticket and waiting for paradise to arrive!
I am gonna express some skepticism at that 27M number. I assume they are omitting all of the post-passage propaganda efforts to get rubes to sign up.
Both those number look like utter bullshit to me. even if they're using "creative" definitions.
"Suthenboy|8.1.14 @ 8:15PM|#
I am gonna express some skepticism at that 27M number. I assume they are omitting all of the post-passage propaganda efforts to get rubes to sign up.
"
as noted below - i think what Vox have done here is created an impression using 'old data'.
The source they attribute the data to was doing studies of ACA related spending *leading up to the start of the law*....
meaning, all the spending they're talking about was 2010-2013... not taking into account all the money the govt spent promoting the exchanges once they'd gotten started - which has been in the hundreds of millions.
But has anyone seen an anti-O-care ad? I laughed with everyone else about PJ-kid and the slut from Colorado, but I can't remember a single anti ad.
What need is there? The news is ad enough against O-care.
I would imagine they must be counting ads run in opposition to pols who supported the ACA as "anti-Obamacare", but even then it seems like a stretch (I really wouldn't know, I don't pay attention to ads in any form, really). Hard to tell much of anything based on just that graph.
I never saw any 'anti ACA' ads. Online, TV, Radio... anything.
Whereas i've seen bajillions Healthcare.gov promos
Where do their numbers come from? AP noted that the Fed govt approved $684m in subsidies to the states to promote the ACA
breitbart covers that news:
"AP research from all 50 states shows the amount of government spending will range from a low of 46 cents per capita in Wisconsin, which has ceded responsibility for its health insurance exchange to the federal government, to $9.23 per capita in West Virginia, which opted for a state-federal partnership.
About $4.8 million in public money will be spent trying to sign up New Jersey's 1.3 million uninsured, for example, compared to the nearly $28 million spent reaching out to Washington state's much smaller 960,000."
California alone was set to spend ~$300m or so in the state on promotional efforts.
Vox uses narrowly tailored definitions to make dishonest point?? I AM SHOCKED?
This story suggests the Govt spending was aiming closer to $1.5bn
I looked at the Kantar Media group's source info on the ACA related ad-spend... and it appears most of what they measured was all previous to Oct 2013.
Meaning, all the 'anti-spending' happened 2010-2013.
"Meaning, all the 'anti-spending' happened 2010-2013."
Even during that time, I do not recall anyone taking out ads opposing it.
I remember various politicos opposing it publicly, but no one in my recollection paid for an ad opposing it.
VOX bullshit.
GILMORE|8.1.14 @ 8:34PM|#
"I never saw any 'anti ACA' ads. Online, TV, Radio... anything."
OK, a guy over in the O-care thread says he had one showing on his X-box.
I didn't know an X-box showed ads, but then I'm a fogie.
No, of course those numbers are made up, but imagine they weren't. People reveal their preferences with their dollars. So, people really don't like Obamacare!
Does Vox really want to go there? Because they just made a pretty strong case against it.
Pinkos have little to no grasp of economics or of human nature. People's preferences, incentives, etc. are mysteries to them as they are to all sociopathic types. this is why they think coercion is so peachy.
Also, Lou Dobbs
Wil Wheaton's Table Top Season 1 Episode 1
We need (ok...I want)Wil Wheaton as a guest on The Independants. It can be called 'the Gaming Episode".
Make it so.
You're banned.
C'mon. Kennedy would be a blast to play a table top game with. Welch, i think I can take him. Kmele would be problematic.
This reminds me, I've been meaning to watch that episode of Next-Gen that Kennedy is in. Perhaps I'll do so during the 9-10 (eastern) time block. It's not there's anything else good to watch during that time.
NextGen or Voyager?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt07.....cl_sm#cast
It appears to be Voyager. My mistake.
Knew a TT gamer. Obsessed with Warhammer 40k. He was always reading the books, painting figurines and sets and spending major bucks getting them all. After two years of knowing him, I asked him how good he was at playing the game.
The blank look that he had when he admitted that he hadn't actually played it was priceless.
Warhammer 40k players can be a bit... obsessive. They make us socially awkward D&Ders; look suave.
But do you have at least two rooms of your house stocked floor-to-ceiling with TTG's? With none of them played and few even open? That's another thing that blew me away with this guy and a couple other gamers I knew.
NTTAWWT though. I guess it's a good way to diagnose Asperger's.
Well some people are just major collectors, and they get into collecting shit for a game, but they have absolutely no interest in the game itself because they're really just collectors. Sounds like that's what this guy is.
Or a dork
You're a towel!
Or both. I'm no better though, I mean I do get pretty smug about the dorkness of others when I forget about the extensively indexed collection of Magic: The Gathering cards I used to have.
I geeked out on those things for a little bit when I was a kid and never managed to play the game. Kinda fun to try and draw a smooth line with a single badger hair in orc pus yellow...
But do you have at least two rooms of your house stocked floor-to-ceiling with TTG's?
D&D stuff going back to the Basic Red Box? Yes. They've all been opened and played, though.
🙂
Am I wrong for viewing Wil Wheaton as an obnoxious douchebag?
- Will Jesse wear a tie? Outlook: Not so good
- Thad Russell: Shaven? Quasi-Shaven? Or bald-faced truth-telling?
- Will the Judge go full on chalk-stripes *again*?
- Julian Alfonso Diego Montoya De Las Mercedes Acosta Sanchez: We suspect some clashing will ensue; he is a man who seems to reject convention in favor of 'selective garishness'.
-Suits: Glasses? Has he always worn glasses? my fuzzy memory says its been a 50/50 split
- "*Andy Levy*"?.... that's it?? Who Kidnapped and Replaced "TV's Andy Levy" with a look-alike?
We look forward to the awful and contemptible things Rick Ungar will say to make the current administration seem slightly less dishonest, incompetent and hypocritical in its handling of things like, say, "Torture, Spying on Citizens vs. criticism of CIA for spying on Congress, Hamhanded/mealy-mouthed response to exposure of surveillance of foreign leaders, complete evaporation of American diplomatic power in relation to the Israel, silent collapse of US State Dept efforts in Libya, etc..."
Was Kennedy in New Zealand about 18 years ago? Because Lorde totally looks like she could be Kennedy's bastard daughter
Name 3 'Lourde' songs
The fuck should I know? I only know the name because it's mononymous and Kennedy identified her in the caption.
I was actually hoping there would be something other than 'that one song'.
Which i like the clown version of better.
Buzzcut Season, Royals, Team.
No 'u' btw.
Prediction: Pretape
It's raining men.
Tease.
Hallelujah.
Call me crazy, but I believe that the Pearl Harbor attack was allowed to happen to justify US entry into WW2.
Leaving a boat right in the way of getting sunk wasn't fresh anymore.
You're crazy.
Walker forget his tie.
So Levy is telling us we should be paranoid.
One of the ships they saw was Voyager, of which Kennedy was a crew member.
It's all a scam.
Area 51
Duh. Everyone who is anyone has seen "Independence Day".
There was a mine shaft gap.
What, not blaming Israel Kmele? For shame. Tsk, tsk.
Walker ended strong.
Oh, wait, he's still there.
The state security apparatus is Warty Hugeman?
I assume it was Ali.
This commercial is fascinating, given that I thought it was only people who were already readers of 'Reason' that watched 'The Independents'. Perhaps we may convert some neocons?
Do you subscribe or only read it online? Because they want you to subscribe.
I donate.
You know who else used Nazi scientists?
Nazis?
Hookers?
NASA? The USSR? E. Germany? W. Germany? The VW factory?
Hey, I got a million of 'em!
Most supervillians?
Nazi. The most trusted name in henchmen.
If it's not Nazi, it's not evil enough.
Kennedy looking sultry in black.
Masher.
Costanza.
Werner von Broun: he aims for the stars, but mostly hits London.
If you shoot for the stars, you might hit the moon London.
LOL, for real.
Will < i The Independents not not shit all over anything?
I wandered off the marked trail on Youtube again and found this. It's a scene from Jihad: The Musical.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeDDb5VYwbY
Not bad. Suitably irreverent.
Didn't the Americans have to defeat the Fascists/Nazis in order to get to the scientist? If so, then Russell is looking at it backwards. Of course the objective was to beat the enemy and then get the spoils that come with victory - including scientists.
The Independents Attire Review, 1 August 2014
Crazy White People-Edition
- Kennedy: Thematic Black? Ah, she tells me so immediately. Thanks K! We liked the Black T, because we thought "Ramones". This black...thing? Makes us think "Black Leotard Top", and we immediately start having dance-instructor submission fantasies. Maybe I should put on the "Fame" soundtrack.
- Matt: (Slow Dramatic Clap) Normally, Matt wears Pink Shirt? and I complain. Because normally... the Tie is Wrong. This, however, is The Right Tie. This is the tie that makes us say, "needs pink shirt!". Getting these 2 together seems like its taken forever. Oh, I know its happened once or twice before, but as far as I'm concerned, its brand new every time. We applaud Matt's belated discovery of 'harmony'. Our only niggle? Would be nice to fatten up that knot a little w/ this wider collar. Like a Half-Windsor. Give it a try!
- Kmele: We have difficulty parsing the 'good' from the 'better' in Kmele's cornucopia of 'plaid-shirt w/jacket & tie' combos. We prefer the shirts with fewer colors aligned with the grey and blue knit ties; however, this works too! Its always a toss up between syncing the tie & shirt vs. tie & jacket. With the more-busy color patterns, the black tie & dark jacket provide the needed 'neutral contrast' that makes it look balanced.
Gr?zzie
Drop one 'Z'. Grazie.
Your friendly neighborhood guinea.
Eh, whatsamattayou?
You know what's funny? I knew that, but in my list of "ways to say thanks" it is misspelled. Or rather, spelled like that.
I left it because, 'why the fuck not'. They have like 20 versions of 'Italian' anyway.
That's because there many Italian dialects. But Tuscan is the official Italian.
are.
Tuscan are the official Italian?
Well, then that was *your* confusion, because I was speaking as a Maltese
Heh.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_language
But I don't think Maltese is in the Latin family. According to Wiki, it's in the Asian realm.
Some day they'll be able to hand over their war powers to regulators instead.
It's not easy being black ops.
Saddam?
What a coincidence, Alaska. Salmon give me energy...to catch more salmon.
ah, Funkadelic
So here is what Chris Hedges considers to be the best speech in history:
A speech by Chris Hedges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQky0mTizgY
Of all the beasts in the derp jungle, Chris Hedges is by far my favorite. It's like he tries really, really hard to sound as boring as possible.
blah blah blah bladdy blah...blah blah blah...blah, blah blah blahblahblah blah
There's 55 minutes of that shit? Jesus H. Christ. I'm trying to listen to that, but my gawd, is that meandering and boring and pointless.
It is the first evolution in Hell Week for derp SEALs.
Do you have what it takes?! NO!? Then get off my beach you goddamn quitter!
Ring the bell! Ring the bell!
Oh, a challenge is it?
I counter your Chris Hedges derp With a solid one hour nine minutes and thirty one seconds of a droning, nattering, old Gnome Chompsky derp.
Another derp-off?
Are you sure you know what you're getting into?
You are the Derpmaster. I just couldn't cede the battlefield without a token resistance.
Thanks, Derpetologist!
I've bookmarked that to listen to when I have trouble falling asleep.
It really is a masterpiece.
BREAK YOUR CLEARANCE! It's Fox Biz. We're alone here, no one will know.
Good luck googling me. I had the French remove me from searches.
Only I am allowed to google me (unless explicit consent is given. Here, sign these forms).
This Fred Thompson movie trailer looks like something from Drunk History.
Are you suffering from euphoria? Here, this will bring you down. It is by far the dumbest question ever asked at a presidential debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75S-n6oWddc
Keep in mind there are millions of people who think exactly like that guy.
"There's a real need here to focus on the needs."
"Need is HERE!"
That was an exceptionally meaningless segment. Almost content-free. Mild bitching about revocations, and no explanation of the half-dozen terms used.
I've set up a tax free zone around myself like a mobile Faraday cage.
The rest of us have employers that allow the raiding of our bi-weekly paychecks.
Third place is you're fired.
So unsurprisingly, that 'Persecuted' movie was universally panned by critics. While I do not doubt that it is a ham-fisted and awfully made movie, one reviewer wrote this:
Hmm, I agree. But the thing is, isn't that something other perpetually aggrieved groups like feminists and gay rights activists should also consider? War on Women? In Afghanistan and Pakistan women are attacked for trying to get an education.
A movie about persecution of Christians would be more plausible if it was set in China or Pakistan or maybe some future dystopia.
Like... Future China...
"Enemy of the State"
Ungar Strike.
Bruce Willis film.
She's like Price Waterhouse and the Oscars.
Jesus, the Judge looks like he's 4 feet tall
I can't tell if this means your television set is very big or very small.
He was as tall as "kennedy sitting down"
Either she is very tall, or he is rather short.
It might have been something he ate.
The Judge, I mean.
I think to grow small you grab the DRINK ME bottle.
For those following my new hobby as a letter-writing crank, here is my latest offering:
http://platedlizard.blogspot.c.....-east.html
Any more hassle with Mary?
Nope. I shooed her off.
"But on a positive note, the war made a strong impact on public memory, and the US never again waged a fruitless war in the Middle East."
I've often wondered regarding the original cause of that caution.
I think the President feels more comfortable dealing with CIA and their drones than the military and theirs.
Chalk stripes FTW
Dumbass.
I find it very hard to take the umbrage of 'spied upon' congresspeople seriously when these same people shrugged when it was disclosed that the NSA was hoovering up private information about 300+ million Americans.
Might was well get Cantor out of that Reason Magazine commercial. It's dated.
OT: The Navy Seal website claims that during Hell Week, the trainees run 200 miles, exercise 20 hours a day, while only getting 4 hours of sleep total.
I call bullshit. Japanese office workers routinely drop dead from far less exertion during the karoshi season.
I think you might be wildly under-estimating the capabilities of a physically fit adult male between the ages of 18 and 30, especially after a couple months of direct build-up and likely a couple years of preparation.
I know about the guy who ran a marathon every day for a year, but he got to sleep and eat as he needed it.
The running alone is up there with the best endurance runners in the world.
If the claim is true, I would expect a large number of SEALs to also be world-class athletes.
I could believe the 200 miles in 5 days thing if they were allowed to sleep normally.
Enjoy
from my memory of the doco, it amounts to 'jogging' about 2 miles every hour while doing a variety of other things. There are maybe 1-2 actual 'runs' of 4 miles or more.
It mostly just moving nonstop for 5 days with a few breaks, and being constantly abused while freezing cold. The 'physical' stuff is pretty low-impact. Its the sustained nature of it.
That sounds plausible.
I remember watching that a long time ago.
OK who comes up with that nonsense?
http://www.TotalAnon.tk
Ro Jac Ma or something like that. He seems to.
Snowden is worse than the polar vortex for the United States economy!
Bonus
- Dirty Sanchez = brings *mad game*! We've been thrown some odd combos by Julian in the past, but this micro-stripe grey suit with the purple tie is just *banging*. I have in the past noted that 'grey suits' have a certain magic harmony with purple ties, and you often see people re-hashing versions of it because it really is that effective. This - which mixes in the stripes/dots combo to busy it up, as well as the sky-blue shirt, is just fantastic. Only gripe - dude, *collar stays*. the tips of the shirt collar droop like he's sitting in a sauna. Its a subtle thing that has a direct effect on how 'sharp' the look is, and sadly extremely common.
Foster goes after the Truthers.
AH! Lou Dobbs.
"Thus Sprach Zarathustra" by Deodato
Kind of a 'funk-jazz' sleeper #
also, the opening of this has been used for many a DJ set...
Put to good use in the Being There soundtrack.
DJ Jay-Walk in the hissouse
Sounds like a plan to me dude.
http://www.TotalAnon.tk