Tonight on The Independents: Radley Balko on the Flash-Grenaded Baby, Lea Gabrielle and Tom Shillue on the Bergdahl Perplex, Tim Carney on Crony EPA Capitalism, Brian Wise on Operation Chokepoint, Plus Smokin' After-show

Tonight's live episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later) features the debut appearance on the show of beloved former Reason staffer Radley Balko, who will talk about an issue that's been burning up this here blog all week: the horrendous drug-cop assault on 19-month-old Bounkham Phonesavanh, who may not survive this latest flash-grenade bust in the War on Drugs.

The Party Panel tonight consists of Fox News correspondent (and former Navy pilot) Lea Gabrielle and comedian/singer Tom Shillue, who will lead the show by talking about the increasingly bizarre story of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release from five years of Taliban captivity, then later touch on Attorney General Eric Holder's new push to crack down on domestic terrorists, plus Seattle's new $15 minimum wage.

Washington Examiner columnist Tim Carney will come on to talk about the crony-capitalism implications of the administration's new Environmental Protection Agency regulations on carbon. Brian Wise from the United States Consumer Coalition will discuss the allegedly politicized law enforcement behind Operation Choke Point. And the co-hosts will ponder the legality of President Obama's prisoner-swap.

Aftershow begins on foxbusiness.com/independents just after 10. Follow The Independents on Facebook at facebook.com/IndependentsFBN, follow on Twitter @ independentsFBN, we'll use your best Tweets during the show, and click on this page for more video of past segments.

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[Rufus J. Firefly]

Hello.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Is there anybody out there?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLhxKpfCnA

[Palin's Buttplug]

Don't be a dipshit. Seriously. Your Bieberism means nothing here.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Sigh.

You ignorant hack.

I prefer Anne Murray.

[Ted S.]

I would have guessed you preferred Gino Vannelli.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Good one!

I think he lives in Oregon now. Good musician.

[Hyperion]

You mean nothing here, except for maybe the meaning of irrelevant.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

What's with the hate?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

/sad eyes.

[Ted S.]

Not Canadian.

[Ted S.]

Not Canadian.

[Fist of Etiquette]

80 years ago Hitler broadcast television around the world, and now we have < i The Independents. Coincidence? But all made up for by the appearance Mr. Balko. Although he does always seem to get invited to weigh in on the worst of things. So in conclusion, Go Team Independents!

[kibby]

Did you have a stroke?

[Episiarch]

Oh please. Hitler didn't cause The Independents, he was just the inspiration for it. Stop being such a drama queen.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If only Kennedy, Foster and Welch had gotten into art school.

[Episiarch]

Wenn ist das Nunst?ck git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!

[C. Anacreon]

I'm dying laughing!

[Episiarch]

It's your fault for knowing nonsense German.

[C. Anacreon]

I seem to remember this joke defeating the German army, ja?

[Episiarch]

Something like that.

[Bobarian]

Like the independents are broadcast all over the world...

HA!

[Hyperion]

So, now every time you miss the first post, you're now going to talk about Hilter?!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh, I don't recognize those other two posts. They weren't concise and on topic like mine.

[GILMORE]

If Kennedy interrupts Balko, I think he's perfectly in his rights to sit silently and stare at her until she apologizes.

[Episiarch]

Isn't that what Radley does normally?

[GILMORE]

Normally he sets his stare to "death", whereas with former colleagues i believe he will simply "stun"

[Episiarch]

"Set stare to 'rivet'."

[Bobarian]

Punch her in the nutz? Ain't that Balko's thing?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Based on his Twitter avatar he does have a freakishly large head.

[GILMORE]

Its the layers of Kevlar bonded to his skull.

Speculations regarding his relation to Benjamin Grimm are entirely unfounded.

[Andrew S.]

Radley's going to be on the show tonight?

Thanks for the warning. At least I'll have 20 minutes to get my triple-strength kevlar-lined cup. Though I'm not sure that's going to be enough.

[Slammer]

Knowing Balko he'll hit your sack from behind.

[Slammer]

Hey Welch, what cspan footage is the Balko pic from?

[GILMORE]

I believe that is from when Congress asked if Radley would take over as President of the United States, or simply be Dictator if he so chose, and he humbly deferred that this would be a violation of procedure and not appropriate at this time.

[Episiarch]

"Thrice they offered him a kingly crown, and thrice did he refuse it."

[Bam!]

This? Google image search for the win.

[Slammer]

Bam! Thanks.

[Ted S.]

SO it's from before there was a Reason TV?

[GILMORE]

Also, the 'after-show' (& noted lack thereof) yesterday requires apologies. Sincere and humble apologies. Groveling may even be warranted.

[Ted S.]

Meh. I was watching A Hard Day's Night on TCM. Much more enjoyable.

[sarcasmic]

Penis, that is all.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

11 minutes to kick off.

Can hardly contain myself.

[Max Power]

Balko is the best. I love how he's moving up to bigger and bigger publications and just keeps dogging the same scumbags (like Hayne/West). Dude's tenacious.

[GILMORE]

They say you have to cut his head off before the jaws release.

Except that his neck is made of titanium, so that's considered a bad idea too.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[sarcasmic]

DYSLEXICS UNTIE!

[C. Anacreon]

When you say "in-de-pen-dent" proudly, does an ornament topple off the Christmas tree and shatter?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Cue Chariots of Fire tune.

[sarcasmic]

Fuck that tune. It has been forever poisoned by some church my mother dragged me to that sang "Give glory to God, church, give glory to God..." to that melody. Damn you. Damn you to hell for bringing back that painful memory. Grrrr. I will never say hello to you. Ever!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Not to mention it's the worst movie in the history of humanity.

[Ted S.]

I think it's a great movie.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Ugh!

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I should have given a trigger warning?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moPbM7Co8CY

[Max Power]

$4 Dave Grohl
$1 John Paul Jones (that's value!)
$8 Prince
$2 Johnny Greenwood
$5 David Bowie

BOOM

$5 left for drinks

[Max Power]

oops, i meant to put that below

[GILMORE]

INTERVIEWEES, DISSEMBLE!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I know nothing about music nor do I really care to know, but this might interest a lot of you. Go!

[Sevo]

First, one of you folks (think it was a guy) suggested Candide. Just finished it; amusing and now I recognize the source of some common references. Plus the end has a lot to recommend it.

And then: I've yet to see any reason/excuse/justification/rationale for Obo to do that prisoner swap. It seems move with all downside and no up, which a slimy politico like Obo rarely makes. What gives?

[Bobarian]

I think Gilmore made the recommendation, I concurred.

As to the O and his keepers, I think they're so used to media spin working for them, they got cocky, and finally went too far.

[Sevo]

"As to the O and his keepers, I think they're so used to media spin working for them, they got cocky, and finally went too far."

And the media (the SF Chron for example) is hiding a couple of paragraphs on pg 10 under the fold, but the TV and innerwebz seems to have no choice but to cover it.
And, even then, why did he do it? Just a lark to see what he could get away with? Are his parents big-time contributors to some Idaho D?

[Virginian]

Honestly, I think they dismissed the accusations of desertion as just a rightwing conspiracy theory. I think that the people in the White House are just progtards. They believe their own bullshit.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

What gives?

2 lines of thought.

1) They are just that incompetent and this totally took them by surprise. (Always a possibility)

2) They want people to be talking about anything besides the VA thing and this is the sort of controversy that they know their foot soldiers and useful idiots are always up for.

[GILMORE]

a) me

b) some have noted that the discussions about when/how to do some kind of swap (or whatever) to recover the guy had been ongoing for a couple of *years*, and that the decision to suddenly 'make it happen' was completely done outside of the channels used leading up to the event. Clearly it was something that most (particularly the congresspeople who had oversight over the act) people thought would be done 'as quietly as possible' in order to minimize the fact that the US was doing deals with Hostage-Takers.

So, what seems obvious is that the decision to do so was entirely calculated to be done PRECISELY so that it would be a 'big news item'.

Why? They're fucking idiots, i dont know.

[Sevo]

GILMORE|6.3.14 @ 9:00PM|#
"a) me"

Danke.

[GILMORE]

bitte

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Candide should be required reading for all of those social environmental studies majors (CAGW) out there. It has experts and everything.

[Sevo]

"It has experts and everything."

LOTS of them. And a country with the streets paved in gold!

[Virginian]

So finally started the Wire. It's pretty good so far. Only one episode in though.

[Episiarch]

Stick with it, it's worth it. The performances are what really stand out, though. Omar is one of the greatest characters ever, and String is pretty awesome too. And Clay Davis (I think that was his name): SHIIIIIIIITTTT.

Also, Littlefinger is the mayor in one of the seasons.

[Virginian]

Haha Mayor O'Malley Carcetti?

[MJGreen]

It's a great show. You should be fully hooked by episode 5.

Related! I saw Rawls (McNulty's commanding officer) on the subway a couple hours ago.

[Slammer]

He comes in our bookstore infrequently. So does Buscemi and PATRICK STEWART.

[MJGreen]

An acquaintance sees Stewart pretty frequently. I must hang around the wrong parts of Brooklyn.

Oddly, I've seen Peter Dinklage a number of times now.

[Zombie Shane]

Seattle's minimum wage increase must scare libertarians will provide even more evidence their ideology is bullshit based on that utopianism. Sure, some people will loose their jobs, and unemployment will be a little higher than in other cities. Libertarians will obsess over this difference, but it will be small, the vast majority of workers will see their wage rise. And the people, seeing this, will reject libertarianism like they always do.

[Sevo]

^Sarc? Stupidity?

[Bobarian]

He posted previously, it's definitely the 2nd one.

[Sevo]

Domo.

[C. Anacreon]

Too close to showtime for trolls, sorry.

[Irish]

This has to be a troll because no actual progressive would admit that raising the minimum wage would result in people losing their jobs.

The prog-line is that raising the minimum wage actually creates jobs due to Keynesian stimulus.

[C. Anacreon]

He didn't say anyone would lose a job, but that they would "loose" a job.
I think that he means the jobs get more relaxing with a higher minimum wage.

[Zombie Shane]

You don't actually read "prog" sources, you read libertarian summaries of pro sources.

In any case I'm not a prog and don't think Keynesian stimulus works like that.

[Irish]

I read prog sources every day. I've read Raw Story articles that flatly state that raising the minimum wage will result in stimulus that will create jobs.

Example 1

Example 2

One of those is from the Atlantic, one is from HuffPo...both major left-wing news sources.

Apparently I know more about progressive economic thought than you do. Sort of like how I know more about economics and Venezuela.

[Zombie Shane]

Another example of a country with "socialist" policies that thrives is Japan:

http://www.paecon.net/PAERevie.....ocke23.htm

[Virginian]

Hahahahaah it's Murikan!

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Do you know any Japanese? Have you been to Japan? have you even read about their lost decades?

Kutabare.

[Irish]

Yeah, 20 years of slack economic growth, a demographic catastrophe, the highest suicide rate in the world, an entire generation of young men who have such serious anxiety they're afraid to leave their homes, and they're already starting to get bullied around by China.

Quite the success story.

Also, you posted an article from something called the 'Post-Autistic Economic Review.' It sounds very reputable.

I also think it's hilarious that you used France having a higher per capita GDP as evidence of your arguments, but Japan having a $5000 lower per capita GDP than America proves nothing.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:03PM|#
"You don't actually read "prog" sources, you read libertarian summaries of pro sources."
We been BUSTED! See, there's this huge libertarian press that filters all the proggy lies and everybody in the country is bombarded with it all day long!
(ZS, you're full of shit)

"In any case I'm not a prog and don't think Keynesian stimulus works like that."
Oh, someone defending a m/w isn't a proggy, and we know cause the proggy said so!
(ZS, you're full of shit)

[GILMORE]

"Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:03PM|#

You don't actually read "prog" sources,"

What is Salon then, because i thought that place is full the most retarded shit i've ever seen in my life...

[Irish]

You want to know where randomly jacking up the minimum wage in lieu of economic growth has worked splendidly?

That paradise on Earth, Venezuela.

During a workers' rally commemorating May Day, Maduro told the crowd the raises were fresh evidence of the success of the country's socialist revolution. "In the 15 years of the Revolution, we have given, in accordance with our socialist program and constitutional mandate, 25 salary hikes and 25 pension increases," Maduro said during a nationally televised address.

What Maduro neglected to say was that the increases are necessary to keep pace with the country's inflation rate, which at 56 percent last year was the highest in the world.

Democrats: Adopting the failed policies of banana-republic thugs and hysterically claiming they're 'progressive.'

[Zombie Shane]

There are only two choices, a night watchmen state and communism. No in-between at all.

[Irish]

Point me to the economic policies Venezuela has implemented that progressives wouldn't love to implement.

If Venezuela is Communist, then a whole wing of the Democratic party is equally Communist.

[Zombie Shane]

Most of them? Democrats want a European style social democracy. You know, those collapsing basket cases like Germany or the Netherlands. Of course they won't get it because of America's racial demographics.

[Slammer]

You know who else was into socialism in Germany?

[Irish]

Most of them? Democrats want a European style social democracy. You know, those collapsing basket cases like Germany or the Netherlands. Of course they won't get it because of America's racial demographics.

AMERICAN! You silly tramp. For a second, I thought you were a new troll.

It took a whole 5 posts for you to go crazy racist this time!

I'm surprised you didn't just say that Venezuela's minimum wage increases failed because they're filthy spics, which is your normal argument.

[Sevo]

"AMERICAN! You silly tramp. For a second, I thought you were a new troll."

Oops! I think you're on to something.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

You know, those collapsing basket cases like Germany or the Netherlands.

Or France where the French people are finding a neo-fascist party more tolerable than the Socialists and their policies.

[Zombie Shane]

I notice the pattern that apart from horribly repressive communist societies the main determinate of a nation's wealth is the race of the population.

France has a slightly higher GDP per capita than the UK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ies_by_GDP (nominal)_per_capita

French people are concerned about the high amount of Black and Islamic immigrants. The French neocon party didn't do well either.

[Andrew S.]

Ah, progressive racism. Party of Woodrow Wilson, after all.

[Zombie Shane]

Racism bad.

[Irish]

Wow, you're really obsessed with France having a slightly higher per capita GDP than the UK.

Again, I'm not sure why this is supposed to matter to me given that I think England is way too far to the left as well.

You're basically telling me one country I don't like is slightly less shitty than another country I don't like, a fact which doesn't exactly disturb me.

[C. Anacreon]

tsk-tsk, someone came here looking for a fight.

Sshhh! We're trying to watch the show!

You and your little friends can wrestle later.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:02PM|#
"There are only two choices, a night watchmen state and communism. No in-between at all."

Yeah, because all those 'in betweens' are doing so well!
Sorry, it goes this way:
When gov't programs cause problems, the gov't institutes more programs to fix them. Rinse and repeat.
Are you a result of gov't 'education', but any chance?

[Zombie Shane]

Germany. Japan. Israel.

All socialist. All thriving.

FACTS theory

[Zombie Shane]

FACTS beat theory

[GILMORE]

FACTS that aren't FACTS unless you completely redefine the word "socialism" to mean, "western style mixed systems with higher taxes"

Aside from that, *pure genius*

[Zombie Shane]

Yes, and Obama is not a socialist, yes?

[GILMORE]

So which is it? These places are awesome because they're socialist? Or the things you want are just "better capitalism"?

You can't have both, shithead.

[Zombie Shane]

They are good because of good economic policies AND because they are Nordic/Jewish/East Asian nations.

[GILMORE]

"Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:48PM|#

They are good because of good economic policies AND because they are Nordic/Jewish/East Asian nations."

Which of the three? OR do you normally hyphenate your reasons for things?

Like, "son, the sky is blue because of water vapor/refraction/jesus has blue eyes and he's watching/unicorns"

And since that's your thesis, are you suggesting the only solution for America is if the Vikings invade?

[Zombie Shane]

Israel is East Asian. Germany is Jewish. Japan is Nordic.

The solution for America's problems was to stop importing the third world. Now, well, we are doomed.

[Irish]

Given that America's per capita GDP is higher than Japan, Germany, and Israel, despite the fact that we have large black and hispanic populations, shouldn't that prove how wonderful American economic policy has been?

I mean, we became rich despite having loads of 'inferiors.' The fact that Japan became wealthy while having all Japanese ubermensch doesn't prove their policies work. The fact that we became even richer despite being a mongrel breed of miscegnated fiends, on the other hand, is a pretty good sign that our policies are superior.

It's almost like you didn't consider that your two arguments clearly contradict each other.

That's because you're a racist idiot. Now tell me again how France's land is the secret to wealth.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:20PM|#
"FACTS beat theory"

See you and raise you, oh, ten or twenty
Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, Chile, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Italy, France, etc.
Fuck off, murkin.

[Zombie Shane]

One communist country, and then a bunch of "ethnic" countries. France has a slightly higher per capita GDP than Britain. Facts that make libertarians cry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ies_by_GDP (nominal)_per_capita

[Irish]

One communist country, and then a bunch of "ethnic" countries. France has a slightly higher per capita GDP than Britain. Facts that make libertarians cry:

Why would this make libertarians cry? The British were a flat out socialist country from 1945-1980 and their economy completely stagnated throughout the '70s.

France, meanwhile, has seen their per capita GDP stagnant since turning full socialist in the '80s, at which point they also had a 7% or higher unemployment rate for the next 30 years.

So your argument is that a country that became socialist in 1980 and has had 7%-10% unemployment ever since is slightly better than a country that was socialist for most of the post-war era.

Somehow one left-wing country out competing another left-wing country is supposed to make me upset? Tell me, what's America's per capita GDP compared to France? How about Germany, Hong Kong, Switzerland and Singapore?

[Zombie Shane]

They'll think of everything! LEGACY OF SOCIALISM! Hong Kong is poorer than France according to that list. Oops.

[Irish]

LEGACY OF SOCIALISM!

Are you arguing that a country's poverty 30 years ago has no impact on their wealth today? Because Chile has one of the highest economic growth rates of the last 30 years, but still isn't very wealthy because they were dirt poor back in the '70s.

Are you really so stupid that you don't realize a countries wealth today is not just a function of their policies today, but is a function of the wealth accumulated in the past? Is this too difficult a concept for the mouth breather to grasp?

I can't find the graph now, but prior to Thatcher, Britain had a lower per capita GDP than Italy. The fact that they're now close to France and Germany shows that their, admittedly moderate, move to the right has worked.

Also, France doesn't seem to be doing too hot lately.

Given that France has actually seen their economy contract over the last 4 years, and is currently falling back into a recession, should you really be holding them up as evidence of your successful policies?

[Zombie Shane]

You know what is a form of wealth? LAND. France is full of the French and that is going to complicate things. Since about 1990 the rate of gdp per capita growth for both countries has not differed very much.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 10:42PM|#
"You know what is a form of wealth? LAND."

You know what is a form of imbecility? ZOMBIE SHANE.

[Irish]

You know what is a form of wealth? LAND.

That explains why eastern Russia is so fucking rich.

Do you even think before you type?

Since about 1990 the rate of gdp per capita growth for both countries has not differed very much.

You mean right around the time they booted Thatcher and returned to a Labour government? Imagine that.

[Irish]

Let's also look at Hong Kong's unemployment rate relative to France.

Hong Kong is around 4%, France is around 10%. Oops.

[Zombie Shane]

The French are lazy. The fact that they have such a high unemployment rate YET ARE STILL RICHER tells you something.(Mainly, the importance of having LAND)

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 10:39PM|#
..."The fact that they have such a high unemployment rate YET ARE STILL RICHER tells you something.(Mainly, the importance of having LAND)"

The fact that you MAKE UP SHIT to suit your story tells you something. MAInly the importance of your STUPIDITY.

[Irish]

The French are lazy. The fact that they have such a high unemployment rate YET ARE STILL RICHER tells you something.(Mainly, the importance of having LAND)

I don't even know where you get this stuff. I'm pretty sure the fact that the French are richer has something to do with the fact that they had approximately a 100 year jump on Hong Kong when it comes to the industrial revolution and are in the middle of Europe which has, throughout almost all of history, provided vastly better trade and economic opportunities.

You're right though: It's probably because the French land magically makes them rich. That's why inland China, Mongolia, and Tibet are so filthy rich. All that fucking land.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:46PM|#
"One communist country, and then a bunch of "ethnic" countries."

Doesn't all that spinning make you dizzy?
Oh, it's MURKIN; who's constantly dizzy.
Fuck off, murkin.

[Virginian]

Thriving under the American defense umbrella, yes.

[Zombie Shane]

Neither of the former two need an American style "defense" umbrella.

[Virginian]

Yet they have them anyway. Israel in particular last time I check gets hundreds of millions of dollars in aid for the express purpose of funding their defense apparatus.

[Zombie Shane]

Israel spends a much larger portion of it's GDP on it's so-called "defense" than does America.

[Virginian]

Israel spends a much larger portion of it's GDP on it's so-called "defense" than does America.

Just checked the figures. Israel's defense budget is 16 billion, 3 billion of which is courtesy of the American taxpayer.

USA is 4.6% of GDP, Israel is 6.9% Without the US picking up 20% of the tab, their figures would be close to equivalent.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:29PM|#
"Israel spends a much larger portion of it's GDP on it's so-called "defense" than does America."

OK, asshole, how much is cherry-picking paying these days? Minimum wage?
Fuck off, murkin.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:29PM|#
"Israel spends a much larger portion of it's GDP on it's so-called "defense" than does America."

Man, you're an ignoramus:
"US Pays 18 Percent of Israel's Military Budget"
http://www.motherjones.com/moj.....ary-budget

"More than 70% of donations in Israel come from foreign philanthropists"
"We are one of the largest money importers in the western world," said Professor Hillel Shmid from the research center on philanthropy in the Hebrew University."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/mo.....sts-1.2545

Pretty easy to be 'socialist' when you rely on world-wide donations.
Fuck off, murkin.

[C. Anacreon]

Sure wish they'd give it up then. We could take a big chunk out of the debt.

[GILMORE]

I missed the part where the state nationalized Mercedes, Sony, and... Sodastream ?

[Zombie Shane]

All successful countries are "market economies." All basket cases, like India, are "socialist." There are no companies in India, are there? And because both words are meaningless they could be applied to any country on the globe. Anyway, see the article I linked about Japan. You might learn something.

[GILMORE]

So now that you've destroyed all the terms you've been trying to use, do you now declare Deconstructionist Victory and return to your Shithead Prog-Cave to tell your friends on Dem Underground how you PWNDED~!!TEH LIBERZOGS!?!?!!

[Virginian]

Actually he'll be crawling back under the rock with the other "racial realists" to explain that the Jews at Reason banned him again.

[Zombie Shane]

And you will go back to claiming that policies common in thriving countries like Germany, Japan, and Israel, like universal healthcare, are going to lead to Venezuela if implemented in America.

Since you brought up the Jewish issue, did you even know Israel has universal healthcare? You aren't going to learn things like that at tReason.com

[GILMORE]

So is your example of why everything Free Market is a failure the fact that the heavily-government controlled healthcare system in the USA is no good?

Razor Sharp Reasoning

[Zombie Shane]

Yeah, the Israeli healthcare system is much freer, right? Again, anytime there is a failure it will be chalked up to government, a success, to capitalism or corporations or the market. And since most countries have involved governments and corporations, you can apply this to ny part of any country.

[GILMORE]

Do you plan to continue to simply dissolve all your definitions to mush so that your continued 'baseless assertions' aren't so obviously ridiculously false?

Because its getting funny. Don't stop now. Get to where people are actually "free-er" under socialism and stuff.

[Zombie Shane]

Idiot Gilmore doesn't see sarcasm. He is an idiot. I am NOT being sarcastic when I say that.

[GILMORE]

"Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:56PM|#

Idiot Gilmore doesn't see sarcasm. He is an idiot. I am NOT being sarcastic when I say that."

what a strange argument to make, considering if you peddled your Racial Purity theory in Germany you'd actually be convicted of a crime.

"free-er". indeed.

[Zombie Shane]

Again, idiot.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:56PM|#
..."I am NOT being sarcastic when I say that."

Nash, you're being stupid.
Fuck off, asshole.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:51PM|#
"Yeah, the Israeli healthcare system is much freer, right?"

"More than 70% of donations in Israel come from foreign philanthropists"
"We are one of the largest money importers in the western world," said Professor Hillel Shmid from the research center on philanthropy in the Hebrew University."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/mo.....sts-1.2545

Pretty easy to be 'socialist' when you rely on world-wide donations.
Fuck off, asshole.

[Zombie Shane]

Why does Israel receive so much in donations?

Another "coincidence."

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 10:34PM|#
"Why does Israel receive so much in donations?
Another "coincidence.""

Why does racist MURKIN ask idiotic questions?
Another "coincidence"?

[Virginian]

the Jewish issue

What Jewish issue?

[GILMORE]

"And you will go back to claiming that policies common in thriving countries like Germany, Japan, and Israel, like universal healthcare, are going to lead to Venezuela if implemented in America"

isn't the defining feature of all three of those economies that they face an imminent demographic bomb that's going to destroy their wonderful 'cradle-to-grave' social wunderzyztems?

http://www.difu.de/publikation.....ities.html

Der Whoops!

[Zombie Shane]

Israel yes, although they can, and will, easily expel the Arabs. I'll look forward to "The Libertarian Case for Expelling the Arabs." And the libertarian solution to taking care of old people is to not take care of old people. Actually both Japan and Germany have been doing what America hasn't, actually saving up money for the future.

[GILMORE]

yes, the Dystopian future.

You missed the part about how their gosh-golly systems are all bankrupt.

Demographic bomb. Good luck emigrating to israel btw. You have proof of your lineage to get in, im sure.

[Zombie Shane]

Japan is not bankrupt. Germany would not be bankrupt if it never joined the European Union.

Yes, and they will expel the Arabs.

You have proof of your lineage to get in, im sure.

Since you are a multiculturalist I'm sure you have a problem with that.

[GILMORE]

aw, so their problem is a) they'd be perfect, if only racial cleansing?

Tell us more about your master plan for the final solution. And how its all so logical.

because you get dumber the more you talk.

[Zombie Shane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Likud

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Japan has a total debt-to-GDP in excess of 200%. Sure, they owe it to "themselves," but are you going to steal all of that money by defaulting on it? Japan is a deeply troubled country, which is sad because it's also a very interesting country. Israel is propped up by the West and has played very fast and loose with respect for IP. The only one of the examples you gave that can be said to be "thriving" is Germany.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:44PM|#
"And you will go back to claiming that policies common in thriving countries like Germany, Japan, and Israel, like universal healthcare, are going to lead to Venezuela if implemented in America."

Policies like letting the US taxpayer cover defense.
Fuck off, asshole
---------------------
"Since you brought up the Jewish issue, did you even know Israel has universal healthcare? You aren't going to learn things like that at tReason.com"

"More than 70% of donations in Israel come from foreign philanthropists"
"We are one of the largest money importers in the western world," said Professor Hillel Shmid from the research center on philanthropy in the Hebrew University."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/mo.....sts-1.2545

Pretty easy to be 'socialist' when you rely on world-wide donations.
Fuck off, asshole.

[Zombie Shane]

The US taxpayer covers Israel's defense?
Gee, wonder why that is.

[GILMORE]

You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you'd just *said* =

"Everything would be better if we were Nazis"

instead, you just 'insinuate' because you're a big, sad, cowardly pussy.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 10:36PM|#
"The US taxpayer covers Israel's defense?
Gee, wonder why that is."

Gee, I wonder why murkin changes the subject when murkin is caught lying.

[Irish]

Sort of like when I pointed out how much more successful free market countries are and American's response was to claim that land magically makes people rich.

No explanation as to why large tracts of land hasn't turned Mexico and eastern Russia into economic powerhouses.

It's also funny because his new 'land makes people rich!' argument flies completely contrary to his arguments about how great Japan is. How can Japan be well off if the key to prosperity is shitloads of land?

[GILMORE]

LEBENSRAUM FOR ZE PURE

this guy's not even very smart for a nazi. He'd have been euthanized, he's so fucking dumb.

[Hyperion]

It doesn't matter if no one has the minimum wage to pay, so there is no one to receive it. It's the thought that counts. The politicians tried, so you owe them your vote, again.

[mr lizard]

Go back to Heartiste player. And here I thought you were sorta cool, despite being repetitive

[Zombie Shane]

That issue cannot be discussed here.

[Sevo]

Zombie Shane|6.3.14 @ 9:57PM|#
"That issue cannot be discussed here."

That's not an "issue", asshole.

[BigT]

I'm up for smokin' after the show.

[Slammer]

I fell for one of the Taboola links, and it lead me to an ad for Transparent Bikinis. What the heck? That kills the whole idea of a sexy bikini. Unless its a band name.

[sarcasmic]

You don't like seeing smooshed up ugly bits?

[sloopyinva (previously -inca)]

I take it you're a big silly putty fan.

[sloopyinva]

Ugh, no Fox Bidness at our last hotel before the new digs are ready.

[sloopyinva]

Ugh, no Fox Bidness at our last hotel before the new digs are ready.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I see you settled on Alexandria. Congrats. House or apartment?

[sloopyinva (previously -inca)]

Apartment. 4 blocks from Huntington metro station. Pretty good get for the location and money.

Banjos starts work tomorrow. As does me being Mr. Mom for a bit.

[Virginian]

As does me being Mr. Mom for a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VJkFhpE1Pg

[Virginian]

Oh and Alexandria

http://murphyspub.com/murphys/alexandria/

[Fist of Etiquette]

Prediction: Toothbrush mustache.

[Slammer]

Armbands

[Bobarian]

Basketball hoops.

[Bam!]

Comrade Red.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Jinkies! Is Kennedy cosplaying as Velma or Daphne?

[Bobarian]

Matt is definitely Fred.

[Slammer]

Now I keep seeing him with a weird kerchief necktie

[Bobarian]

It's an ascot.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Berkowitz is Shaggy. Think about it.

[Ted S.]

She would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Well, no one's talking about the VA or Benghazi or the IRS or the NSA these days.

[Bam!]

That's a bit Mr. Rogers, Shillue.

[Slammer]

She can pilot my plane anytime.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Okay: desertion doesn't warrant being left to the Taliban. He was still the Army's and US government's responsibility.

The scandal is Rice once again went on national TV and lied to our faces, reaching a new nadir of contempt that this administration has for the American people.

[Bobarian]

Well the policy is supposed to be to not negotiate with terrorists.

[kibby]

Is it bad if I'm already all kinds of tired of this story?

[Bam!]

It's tiring because nothing about it can change. Prisoners have been swapped, it's over.

[Ted S.]

Why don't you care about our Wounded Warrior Heroes???

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

You are playing right into Team Obama's hands. It's like the rope-a-dope strategy for ineptitude: demonstrate yourself to be so pathetically incompetent multiple times in quick succession and eventually people will tire of caring about it.

[Bam!]

demonstrate yourself to be so pathetically incompetent multiple times in quick succession and eventually people will tire of caring about it.

Take note, The Independents.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Obviously the NSA hadn't gotten around to reading his emails in time.

[Andrew S.]

Upon seeing what will be talked about tonight on this show, my wife said "Why are you watching that?" and promptly kicked me out of the living room. So I had to move into the bedroom.

I may have turned her into a libertarian, but she's nowhere near the news masochist that I am.

[Bobarian]

News? There is no news on this show (except for topical storm).

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Ha, ha! Same here! Except my wife at the last minute decided to go into the room.

[Ted S.]

So what is she watching? The Shoe Channel?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Watched 'Born Yesterday' earlier.

FYI.

Interesting movie.

[Ted S.]

If you liked Judy Holliday in Born Yesterday, you might want to watch her in The Marrying Kind, It Should Happen to You or Solid Gold Cadillac.

[Andrew S.]

An episode of classic Doctor Who. 3rd Doctor I think.

(one of many reasons that she's awesome)

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Alexander Supertramp

[GILMORE]

Tell me Matt doesn't look #*$& better.

[Fist of Etiquette]

At least Birddog didn't go to Russia.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Can't we talk about both?

[Fist of Etiquette]

So Foster is suggesting the Obama team is competent enough to engineer the shift of focus from the VA?

[Rufus J. Firefly]

TI loves comedians on their panel don't they?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Presumably they're easy to book.

[Bobarian]

They raid the 'Redeye' guest-list for panel members.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

They need to hire retired Mob enforcers to keep comedians *off* the set.

[Slammer]

Why is this guy not perfecting a Christopher Walken impression?

[Hyperion]

Welp, that's sure some purty lipstick that Kennedy's got, she sure is purty, purtier than a red speckled hen under a green wagon.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This guy won't stop spoiling Homeland.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Who wears a sweater in the middle of the beginning of June?

[Hyperion]

Jewish women.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Exactly. The kind of person the Independents would never have as a guest on the show.

[ZR]

Every time Kennedy appears on screen my one year old says Oh Noooo. Thought that was funny.

[Derpetologist]

For Play?, if he shows up:

Instead of getting a dryer, consider using a clothes rack. It takes about 12 hours for clothes to dry at room temperature, but it's totally silent. I've been using racks to dry for several months because the communal dryers at my apartment complex are broken.

[Ted S.]

Install a sauna, and set up the clothes rack in the sauna room (just make certain the clothes don't hit the stones on the sauna heater). The Finns I know say the sauna is naturally the dryest room in a Finnish house. And you have a sauna as a benefit.

[Derpetologist]

You can't buy a sauna from Wal-Mart at 1 AM for $9. Advantage: clothes rack.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

How appropriate for Radley to show up for this ball-kickin. Yay, I guess?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Did Kennedy just say Uyghurs? Talk about racist.

[Bobarian]

Compulsory:

Uyghur Please!

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Cup Check: Everyone ready?

/thock thock

[Andrew S.]

With Radley, a cup isn't enough usually.

[Derpetologist]

Hilary Clinton explains her opposition to school vouchers with a thought experiment- caution: extreme derp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su3JIS9VbtY

[Atanarjuat]

*union bigwigs fap furiously*

[Francisco d'Anconia]

God, she's a fucking idiot.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

That's one issue alone Rand Paul would destroy her on and reveal how willing she is to sell-out minority voters for the union donations.

[BigT]

An excellent argument for NO govt involvement in education.

[Fist of Etiquette]

He's not even in studio. What a gyp.

[Andrew S.]

He loves Nashville. Why would he go slum it in NYC?

[GILMORE]

The Independents Attire Review, 3 June 2014

K-Edition

- Kennedy: We've said we like her in Red. Tonight we have Layers of Red. It does wonders. She's got skin that begs for big splashes of bright colors, and things like this do her so very, very well. Our only complaint is that her mic seems to want to pull her blouse off while giving her a hickey.

- Matt: Holy shite, Dolomite: Matt...wears white shirt.... with Normal Tie... and not only 'a' white shirt, but unless my reception is *really* fucked up, lightly striped/textured shit? Whatever the case may be: Halle-berry-luiah! We've begged (seemingly hopelessly) for Matt to at least *try* being Normal ("you'll like it!") on the odd-occasion, and here we finally get what we'd be asking for. Question for my peers - Was I Wrong? I personally think its a clear improvement. Thoughts?

- Kmele: We've noted Kmele's weekly employment of plaids/checked shirts, and his ability to make otherwise 'challenging' patterns work well. The rules we've latched onto are: "careful about colors", and "make sure the jacket is casual-enough". We think he's spot on with the former, and tempting danger with the latter; regardless, he fails to fail. The lingering memory of his lavender colored jacket from Friday, however, remains paiful.

Arigato

[Ted S.]

Question for my peers - Was I Wrong?

Aren't you always wrong? :-p

[GILMORE]

Outlook Good

[Bobarian]

I like Matt's choice this evening, but the fit of the shirt makes me think he must have borrowed the shirt from a larger person.

[GILMORE]

interesting theory.

[Derpetologist]

Prog explains the difference between communism and fascism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL8k-TqHeV4

[Derpetologist]

A late, great prog explains the importance of net neutrality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UlCXXZTTh8

[C. Anacreon]

A letter to the editor in our local paper the other day, from a self-proclaimed progressive, said that his point of view was different than most others because progressives are "open-minded and not afraid of change."

[Virginian]

progressives are "open-minded and not afraid of change."

If only that were true.

[Derpetologist]

Somehow I get the feeling that his love of change does not extend to school vouchers or reduced govt spending.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

So was that an entire interview with no interruptions?

[Slammer]

It's hard to interrupt when you're flinching from the expected punch.

[GILMORE]

After the show Kennedy carried Radley's groceries all the way home.

You know why? RESPECT.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kennedy just hoped for more flashbang injuries. You all heard it.

[Hyperion]

I won't argue either, Radley, that the cops are the terrorists. It's the people that they work for who are the terrorists.

[Andrew S.]

I'll argue that they're the terrorists. What, you'll accept the "just following orders" excuse? Fuck that.

[Bobarian]

You know who else was "just following orders"?

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Noah?

[Slammer]

The Habersham County Sheriff's Dept. Swat Team?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Stannis Baratheon?

[Andrew S.]

You dare not insult the one true King of Westeros, do you?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I bent the knee to King Stannis way back in season 2. I'm just thinking of that one scene where he explains to Davos that he spent his whole life following orders and doing his duty.

[MJGreen]

The crown is his by right!

All shall bend the knee or be destroyed.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Berkowitz.

[Hyperion]

They're the useful idiots of the terrorists. I'm not excusing them from responsibility.

[Derpetologist]

"In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply."

- Rev. Frederick T. Gates, proponent of public schooling

[Fist of Etiquette]

I am beginning to suspect the Examiner leans right.

[Hyperion]

Uh oh, this guy's accusing Obama of cronyism. Come on ButtPig, get on with the BOOSSSSHHHHHH!!!!! shit, already, you dork.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Unintended consequences are unintended. You can't blame people for those.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Tim's got quite the pointy chompers.

[Hyperion]

His teeth are to dentistry, what Matthew's wardrobe is to fashion.

[Derpetologist]

I would like an episode featuring sock puppet versions of the hosts. The topic could be ending federal funding for PBS.

[Andrew S.]

What about an all-sockpuppet debate show starring Shriek, Tulpa and American? Topic can be whatever you want.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

This infomercial has some impressive production values. What with the giant cannon and all.

[Slammer]

I might buy some and I don't even have a boat.

[Derpetologist]

Maybe the NSA should buy some of that Flex Seal crap to stop future leaks.

[GILMORE]

Jesus, are you telling me Kerry pissed off the Polish? Those people LOVE the US. If Kerry managed to insult them and hurt relations, it would have to be a willful act on the order of pissing on the Statue of Pope John Paul II* in Krakow.

(*by the way, I'm still really sorry about that)

[Hyperion]

The face of Lurch would offend the Elephant Man.

[Fist of Etiquette]

See? A swastika. I told you.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I did Nazi that coming.

[Slammer]

What you did there, it was seen.

[kibby]

Don't. Encourage. Him.

[Virginian]

Puns are the best. It is known.

[Slammer]

Remember the cow thread?

[Derpetologist]

Puns are like war- there are no winners, only survivors.

[Bam!]

You know who else was a Nazi?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

You know who else demanded people demonstrates discipline and professionalism for the Cause?

[Bam!]

He's not napping, his Botox finally kicked in.

[Fist of Etiquette]

A The Americans quote?

[Fist of Etiquette]

The memory of it was seared to the inside of his eyelids.

[Derpetologist]

I'm going to post this again, because it is the greatest example of derp I have seen to date. It features $20 t-shirts denouncing the evils of capitalism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAG2NQ0X7qs

[Slammer]

What are 50$ polo shirts, chopped liver?

[Derpetologist]

They have those too. And that's not all!
Learn to fight white privilege with their manual- yours for only $99.

[Bobarian]

Warsaw meth? Do they have the good stuff?

[Fist of Etiquette]

So he's got that going for him.

[Hyperion]

My gawd, Christie is a disgusting ball of slime. He can lose all the weight he wants, but will never lose the slime.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's creepy, and the Church doesn't like creepy.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Fuck the pope.

That is all.

[Derpetologist]

I saw the Pope's Xmas sermon once. He said that people should be less materialistic...while wearing a jewel-bedecked crown, gold-embroidered silk robe, and standing on the balcony of his palace.

[Hyperion]

Yer goin to hell, mister!

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I can hang with the pope.

[Hyperion]

And Caligula. Ok, I'm starting to be jealous...

[kibby]

The Pope can pry my kitties from my cold, dead hands.

[Virginian]

If you died in your house and they couldn't get out, they would eat your corpse.

A dog would starve, howling his mournful agony for days and guard your body against desecration.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Her cats are also two raging homosexuals.

[kibby]

THEY ARE.

[kibby]

I've seen photos of corpses eaten by their pet dogs.

& I would never deny my cats the opportunity to continue their lives despite mine having ended.

[Derpetologist]

They usually eat the cheeks because the meat there is the softest.

[Slammer]

Face cheeks, right?

[Derpetologist]

It depends if they're wearing pants when they die.

[Bam!]

You're holding on to those cats pretty tight; surprised you haven't bled to death from their scratches.

[Bobarian]

A dog at least feels bad about doing it.

Cats will eat you if you sleep in late.

[kibby]

My cats love me & let me sleep all I want so long as I filled their bowls the night before.

They do not love Serious nearly so much, however...

[Bobarian]

"so long as I filled their bowls the night before"

You prove my point.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

One of them also very nearly pissed all over my luggage and clothing while I was staying with her last week.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I bet Chris Christie was coming to the bachelorette party inside a cake, but by the time he got there there was no cake.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I wouldn't want to be one of the bearers carrying in the Christie cake on a litter!

[Fist of Etiquette]

He said that ferrets are better than cats.

[Slammer]

That was De Blasio

[Bobarian]

Ferrets are definitely better than De Blasio

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Kmele: Cats are more libertarian than dogs.

[Hyperion]

Well, cats ARE more libertarian than dogs. Tonight when I was driving home from work, I was at a stoplight a couple miles from home, and I noticed a lady walking her dog on the sidewalk. Then I noticed that there was a cat walking with them. The cat was definitely with them, keeping pace, but doing his own thing. No leash, of course. He would run ahead a little, sit down, and wait. Then join back in, looking all so cool and independent the entire time.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Cats rule.

[GILMORE]

This is why no one likes Cats.

[Bobarian]

This is why there are no female cats?

[GILMORE]

You clearly haven't met many cats.

[Hyperion]

Look, it's the Pope. A large percentage of the population of the world care greatly about the opinion of some old dude in a funny hat.

Wow, we are such an advanced and enlightened civilization. I am too proud to be a member of this advanced race of monkeys.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know those New York tax free zones are only deferments. You have to pay back taxes at the end of that period. With interest.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Domestic terrorist = political enemy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

When we need Kennedy to interrupt she's nowhere to be found.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

I think we can safely predict what will happen in Seattle.

[kibby]

Clearly it will become a shining utopia, a city on the hill that is the envy of all mankind.

[Bobarian]

The tweet on the screen was appropriate:

"I, for one, welcome Seattle's new Robot Overlords"

[All-Seeing Monocle]

I think we can safely predict what will happen with Obamacare. Fat lot of good it does.

[GILMORE]

ECONOMIC MIRACLES!! ARE YOU WITH ME!??! (uptwinkles)

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Not even Canada is insane enough to pull this. Ontario went from $10.25 to $11 when all the $15 stupidity was said and done.

[GILMORE]

I say = Lea, you can be my wingma....woman....person anytime.

She wasn't bad for the panel. Less bad than "Lemon Barbie: "NSA is the Awesomes!".

I personally think the whole 'guests' thing should actually be dropped as well as 50% of the '24/7 Daily News Event Commentary!' in favor of, "Kmele Talks More', and 'longer interviews with less Kennedy-shouting at them'

[Derpetologist]

Kennedy should be fitted with a shock collar and Kmele should be given the button.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

And thus branch out into a different audience.

[GILMORE]

Black Snake Moan was a good movie

[Derpetologist]

Dogs like eating their deceased owners. Warning- link features graphic pic:

http://www.vice.com/read/dogs-.....uman-faces

[kibby]

SEE? I didn't lie!

[Bam!]

Dogs are the true psychopaths. They've learned how to mirror human emotions thus duping their owners into loving them.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Would you rather they snuff businesses they don't find objectionable? Use your head.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Wow. Media actually working for a living?

[Fist of Etiquette]

So Congress will sue to stop the administration and the courts will side with- Oh, that's right. The other two branches are limp dicked.

[Bobarian]

There is no legal justification for this?

That hasn't caused Obama to even slow down once.

[kibby]

I think his administration gets off on the lack of legal justification.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Holy shit this is frightening.

Obama is a miserable bully.

[Bam!]

That kind of stuff has been going on for ages. Under the Bush administration, it was used against porn sites.

[Hyperion]

Yep, it's just that it's coming out more and more. The really disturbing thing is that as the mask comes completely off, we find that the team players don't care, as long as their team is winning. As I've said many times, Obama could go on national TV and bite the heads off of live puppies and kitties and say it's a sacrifice to Satan, and no one who is already on his team, would even consider it offensive.

[Derpetologist]

I've pointed out to progs that Obama got millions in donations from Goldman Sachs. They don't care.

[Hyperion]

Of course not. It's ok when their guy does it because it's for the right reasons.

[GILMORE]

" no one who is already on his team, would even consider it offensive."

INCORRECT

first they'd point out that BUSH DID IT FIRST, and they were VIRGIN KITTENS! AND MORE OF THEM!

then they'd say "YOURE ONLY ANGRY BECAUSE FAKE SCANDAL!! EVERYONE KNOWS KITTENS DIE!!? OH, NOW YOU'RE ANGRY, MAYBE BECAUSE *HEs BLACK*?? RACIST!

Then they'd go, ALSO, IT SHOWS HOW KITTENS ARE ACTUALLY KIND OF A PROBLEM AND MAYBE WE SHOULD SERVE THEM AT LUNCH MORE OFTEN BECAUSE LIKE KITTEN SUSHI IS POPULAR IN JAPAN AND ISRAEL AND IT WORKS THERE!!?? UPTWINKLES!!

[Hyperion]

Well, at least, Shreeky would say that. Most of them just wouldn't even care to discuss it, like I said.

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's un-American but very Washington DC.

[Derpetologist]

Old, but deserves an encore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGrp5MbzAI

[Bam!]

They get them when they're children. They indoctrinate them with friendship and songs and cute boys cooing about Obama.

[Derpetologist]

That's not even the worst one I could find. Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcm0oAcEey0

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Jesus, Derp. Wtf was that?

[Derpetologist]

[raucous, wheezing laughter]

? ? ?

Strap on

your helmets

the derp has begun

derpderpderpderp

the windowlicker polka!

It's started

It's going

There's no way to stop

derpderpderpderp

the windowlicker polka!

[Derpetologist]

[raucous, wheezing laughter]

? ? ?

Strap on

your helmets

the derp has begun

derpderpderpderp

the windowlicker polka!

It's started

It's going

There's no way to stop

derpderpderpderp

the windowlicker polka!

[GILMORE]

The little girl has zombie teeth like she's been feasting on the guts of screaming old-people.

nice song tho!

[Slammer]

Period. Full stop.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's the law. Try to enforce it.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Didn't Matt vote for him or something?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

He apologized to Feinstein, what the hell else do you want?

[Fist of Etiquette]

That wasn't the basis of his presidency, only his campaign.

[Bobarian]

True, there is NO basis for his presidency

[Fist of Etiquette]

To be fair, I think the basis of his presidency was to up Valerie Jarrett's Chicago property by bringing in the Olympics and to get a bunch of free rounds of golf. Also because his circle told him he should be president.

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lou Dobbs.

[Bam!]

Co-hosting another show? Make her a panelist; she wants to talk, not moderate.

[GILMORE]

GAH!DOBBS

[Slammer]

and Bolton!

[kibby]

So will we actually see the aftershow tonight?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Appears to be working. Unfortunately.

[kibby]

Ain't nobody forcing you to watch it, mister complainy pants!

[Fist of Etiquette]

It's No Pants Tuesday.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

What are pants?

[Hyperion]

DERBZ!

[Bobarian]

After show is go!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Jeopardy! just microaggressed the nation by having 'Redskins' be the answer to a clue.

[Bobarian]

I have yet to see any smoking in the after-show.

[Bam!]

They watched the videos that contained a captured US solider. Thanks for the insight, Mrs. Former Intelligence Officer.

[Fist of Etiquette]

But the Administration got a first round draft pick in addition to Birddog.

[Derpetologist]

"Don't look at it, Marion!" The Obama Ark is opened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k8i6iK3bH0

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Clearly the Obama administration models itself after the Cleveland Browns.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Does anyone think of the resale value of Gitmo? It's going to be nil.

[Hyperion]

I'm not even sure why we are talking about this prisoner swap. It's already too clear, has been for too long. Obama can do whatever he wants to. There is literally nothing that he can do that will lead to even the slightest consequences.

The progs had their moment of genius when they got this guy elected. The first black president, at the perfect time in history.

But like all cults of insanity, they will go too far because they cannot conceive of their own downfall, or how swiftly it will overcome them.

[GILMORE]

I reiterate = the aftershow is in fact a more watchable format than the 'show-show'

They actually talk about topics. CRAZY IDEA!?

[Bobarian]

^^THIS!

[Bam!]

It has been consistently true and a bit perplexing. It's not that much different than some of the segments.

[GILMORE]

Its the part of the show that "doesn't give me a headache"

Maybe because Kennedy doesn't need to be amped up @99,000RPM and ready to pounce on everyone's breathing.

[Bam!]

The real show has structure and a schedule. The after show doesn't, I think. Wonder if they could stick with topics and segments when they were working instead of rigidly following the schedule, we'd get a better end product.

[Bobarian]

"The real show has structure and a schedule."

Something tells me you've never actually watched the real show.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You know who else talked about blowback?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Jenna Haze?

[Hyperion]

Ron Paul? Oh wait, he talked about it first... right?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Geez, Welch.

[GILMORE]

nice, right? He kicked him when he was down. Hard!

[Slammer]

Man that joke fucking bombed.

[GILMORE]

That joke bombed so hard they can still hear the echo in space right now.

[GILMORE]

no one laughed at his terrible, terrible joke.

Then matt sealed the deal reminding him 6 americans died for the little jerk.

Matt, I take back 1/3 of the nasty things I plan to say about you in the future. That was classic *mean*. I love it.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Don't leave ours behind.

Unless it's Benghazi.

[GILMORE]

FAKE SKANDEL!!

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Full stop.

[Suthenboy]

Here is one of interest to every member of the commentariat. I am not sure if it was covered as I was out all day.

""Attorney General Holder's announcement that the new task force will focus on evidence of anti-government animus and racial intolerance raises concerns that it could be a sweeping mandate to monitor and collect controversial speech," said Lee Rowland, a staff attorney at the ACLU."

http://news.yahoo.com/u-revive.....21629.html

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Makes me wonder about how the ACLU feels about the SPLC.

[Derpetologist]

2010: Obama claims law could cause healthcare premiums to fall by 3000% (no that is not a typo).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUd-slJc-GY

[Hyperion]

Holy fucking shit. We elect people who get away with saying shit like this? Who is guarding your fucking hen house, mister?

[Bam!]

Military does not have principle and integrity, Matt. Read John T. Reed's articles.

[Derpetologist]

His story about the fire drill is a riot.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

Puts me in mind of some things. Like the grueling 30 minutes sitting in an office at company HQ it took for me to earn qualification to operate 11 different military vehicles in preparation for deployment.

[GILMORE]

Thanks for the link.

You kept me up till dawn.

[Hyperion]

Did Derbz just say something about pawgs? What's a pawg?

[GILMORE]

I'm not sure, but i like the sound of it.

[Derpetologist]

Progs are vile, laughable slime, exhibit 10,758. Warning- containts crimes against music and good taste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLSWudoqtWE

[Hyperion]

Oh, wow, that was like... so cool ... like, I'm gonna vote for ... like who were we talking about?

After that example of Obama above talking about insurance rates going down 3000%, what more examples are even needed about how vile these people are?

[Fist of Etiquette]

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[Notorious G.K.C.]

So sorry, didn't see that warning before I posted.

[Hyperion]

Last.

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Lastest.

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Mostest Last.

[Hyperion]

Mostest Lastest.

[BigT]

Full stop

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Full stopest.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I like kibby.

Fin.

[Francisco d'Anconia]

barf

[kibby]

Seconded, Francisco. Seconded.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

You are as cold as ice.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The BBC is interviewing an old lady who runs in something called a "murrathun."

[Hyperion]

I think I'm going to get killed again in Battlefield 3. Origin was giving away the game for free this weekend, so...

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Kennedy could work for the BBC - why do they keep arguing and interrupting so much?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wow, I wonder where "soddy arubbya" is?

[Derpetologist]

I think Kennedy used Dobbs as the model for her Dork Voice.

[Derpetologist]

Know what's really scary? There are millions of others who think EXACTLY as she does:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS6WQ0GcKFo

[Bo Cara Esq.]

Clarion-Ledger reports McDaniels leading Cochran by 4,000 with 85% of precints reporting.

[Apatheist ?_??]

If there is going to be a lower age limit on office, why the fuck shouldn't we have an upper age limit?

[Derpetologist]

How the hell did this not merit an article on Reason?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhmFXRe5Z68

[SusanM]

For your consideration...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06.....=auto&_r=0

[GILMORE]

from The Derp-Contest that is the NYT comments section...

"
Mike Roddy
is a trusted commenter Yucca Valley Ca 2 hours ago

I also had a bad experience with edible pot about a year ago. The friend who made it later told me that there was about an ounce of THC in a single brownie. .

Thanks for pointing out that, without regulation, the THC could be concentrated on one side of the brownie, since these products are whipped up by hand.

...Maybe one day corporations will make a pot brownie or candy bar where everything is identically made and distributed. When it reaches that point, and appears in a package with high quality graphics, I pass.

The candy makers are the same ones who bring us chemicals, refined sugar (often made from sugar beets), and God knows how many flavor enhancers and preservatives.

Better to just smoke a little weed with friends and know that it was also grown organically by friends. That's possible even under the new legislation. When it's smoked, we need to know that it doesn't include things like Roundup from the guerrilla growers, like those in the National Forests here in California. If there's a new corporate pot king in Colorado, he won't have to disclose what awful substances his product is being dosed with. Stick to the real people. They're better to get high with, too.
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*None of the 22 people who liked this are currently in jail for growing marijuana

[MJGreen]

Watching some of the repeat: They go to commercial with Ween?

...Grudging respect.

[Damsanchande]

Well, simply, you can't. you will never can.

b?p gas
Th?nh l?p doanh nghi?p

[Fist of Etiquette]

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[MJGreen]

Congrats, Fist.