Cops Shoot Dog in Backyard, Bust Owner's Boyfriend for Objecting

Bianca Alakson

Police in Redford Township, Michigan, claim they spotted a suspect through a window in the home of Bianca Alakson and Ryan Showalter. The suspect was wanted for being in a fight, so they gave chase, entering the couple's fenced yard. Which has a "beware of dog" sign on it.

You know what's coming.

That's supposedly when Rock, a 10-month-old Labrador–pit bull mix, "charged" an officer. The cop shot him twice, killing him.

Showalter apparently got a little pissed that his beloved dog had been shot. (That's Rock pictured at right, with Alakson.) So they arrested him for "interfering with police." In his own backyard. After they shot his dog.

There's not much more to add—except that the department is getting hell from the community on its Facebook page.

Just remember, the only thing worse than having a dog so aggressive that it stays in its own yard is objecting when cops shoot it down.

Comments

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ten months old, eh? That cop is lucky he escaped with only piss-stained breeches.

[Hugh Akston]

The important thing is that he can go home to his wife and kids tonight so they can help him clean the shit out of his underwear.

[Andrew S.]

That would assume he was actually scared, and not, you know, pulling a South Park "HE'S COMING RIGHT FOR US!"

[BiMonSciFiCon]

He was just trying to "thin out their numbers" to save that dog from starvation. Hero.

[JW]

Police might not have this chronic problem of shooting puppies if they would stop hiring such pants-shitting pussies, who "fear for their life" at every shadow or leaf blowing in the wind.

[Hydra]

Here we go with the Trayvon Martin kiddie pix again.

Those dogs grow up fast.

[Episiarch]

I can't decide if you're pathetically retarded, Tulpa, or retardedly pathetic. I suppose it could be both, right? In fact, I'm sure it is.

[sloopyinca]

Jesus, Epi. Open your fucking email.

[Brandon]

Tulpa: *slurrrrp*

[Lady Bertrum]

"..they spotted a suspect through a window in the home of Bianca Alakson and Ryan Showalter.."

No, they spotted Bianca Alakson through her own window and decided they need to "interrogate" her. She's lucky they didn't shoot her boyfriend too.

[Drake]

Is that legal? Cops can just peep in windows and break in if they see a reason?

No knocking, no warrants, just bust in guns drawn?

That pisses me off more than the dead dog.

[Paul.]

Exigent circs.

[sarcasmic]

Since does legality matter when it comes to the actions of the police?

[Warty]

Of course not. Law is a myth.

[croaker]

And you wonder why people keep their shades drawn. "Plain view" means they can look into windows if they feel like it. "Peeping Tom" laws don't apply to our Overlords.

[R C Dean]

They aren't allowed into the immediate vicinity of your house without probably cause or a warrant, though.

[croaker]

You think that stops them?

[NL_]

The tribe must forgive the warrior if he visits a tribal elder and chants the appropriate magic words. The Americans call this tribal elder a "judge" and he will grant the warrior clemency from the god called "Law" if the warrior chants the magical words of "officer safety." Truly, the Americans are a strange tribe with unusual customs.

[Fluffy]

So was the suspect there, or not?

Because if the suspect wasn't there, something tells me that the cops lied.

[Episiarch]

I think "the cops lied" is a very, very safe default.

[Certified Public Asskicker]

Well, they did end up with an arrest.

[Paul.]

And a dead dog. So I'd say they hit all the bullet points. LITERALLY!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Yes, I'm curious about whether the suspect was in fact in the house.

The articles don't follow up.

[Hugh Akston]

Why would they? The cops said there was a suspect in the house. Therefore there must have been a suspect in the house.

[some guy]

Everyone is suspected of something. QED.

[Clich? Bandit]

I was watching V for vendetta last night and I noticed something. The Party is supposedly an outgrowth of the "conservative" party in the UK as opposed to Labour (stupid British spelling). I never hear it before but caught i last night. That makes my irony mete peg. The left is the very definition of projection even when they are trying to say the "right" things.

p.s. this comment is relevant because of my stream of consciousness thoughts resulting from cops suspecting everyone of something.

[Hydra]

We don't need details, GKC. The cops were obviously in the wrong and H+R will fabricate whatever details are necessary to reach that conclusion.

[Episiarch]

Man, Tupa, there is no cop dick you won't suck, is there. You should stop fooling yourself and just become a badge bunny like in your secret fantasies.

[sloopyinca]

Did you swallow an entire bucket of gullibility pills today, Epi? I mean, what the fuck are you doing interacting with what is obviously a troll?

I myself would never stoop so low as to interact with a cop apologist or progressive douchebag on these pages.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Which details did they fabricate?

[sarcasmic]

The part where the dog wasn't a viscous killer in need of being put down by our valiant officer.

[some guy]

Lab mixes are known for being "thick and adhesive", but in a good way.

[sarcasmic]

This one was a viscous killer, trained to attack police officers. Can you prove it wasn't? No? Well then, that's proof that it was.

[Old Man With Candy]

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[sloopyinca]

That's one slick dog!

[Spoonman.]

Like molasses in winter.

[Hydra]

Watch and see.

The "poor little puppy couldn't have hurt anyone" angle is already covered. Looking at the pictures at the link you see that "puppy" was pretty huge.

In case you care, the cops said the suspect got out through the back door which is why they were opening the unsecured gate to the back yard.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"poor little puppy couldn't have hurt
anyone"

I thought it was in a secure yard with a BEWARE OF DOG sign.

"the cops said the suspect got out through the back door"

And they caught him? Or not? The elusive SOB, he's like the Scarlet Pimpernel.

[Hydra]

The yard had an unsecured gate, which is how the cops got in. The couple was hosting a party with the front and back doors open.

I have no idea if they caught the perp, but if the BF got in the way in the back yard that would explain the interference arrest.

[some guy]

That would explain the interference arrest, but not justify it.

[sarcasmic]

The interference arrest was because the guy got upset when the cop killed his pet, and didn't immediately and unquestioningly obey the cop's command to go back inside when the guy wanted to check on his bleeding dog.

He's lucky the cop didn't shoot him too.

[Brandon]

3:10PM if the BF got in the way in the back yard that would explain the interference arrest.

3:04PMH+R will fabricate whatever details are necessary to reach that conclusion.

You can't even hide your idiotic projection for 6 minutes?

[Hydra]

Look up the definition of "if", buddy.

[Dweebston]

"Secured" doesn't need to mean "locked," chunderbreath. It means the dog was itself incapable of leaving the premises, and therefore the cops were trespassing.

Since when have locks stopped cops, anyway? Unlike the dog, cops could jump this fence. And I'm willing to bet they'd have shot it just as dead either way.

[Hydra]

Hot pursuit is an exception to trespassing, just like medical necessity or responding to a break-in.

[fuck you tulpa]

"Hot pursuit is an exception to trespassing"

1) no, actually, Tulpa, it is not. They are trespassing, even in cases where they are chasing people. This has been adjudicated many, many, manyt times you're simply wrong. What your idiot ass is trying to say is that they are sometimes justified in trespassing, which prevents them from being prosecuted, but there is no exception for a pursuit that gives them special powers.

[Bryan C]

He got in the way. Darn shame.

[R C Dean]

the suspect got out through the back door which is why they were opening the unsecured gate to the back yard.

Either the suspect had already gotten out of the yard and was on his way, in which case why go into the yard, or

The suspect was still in the yard, in which case he got right past an armed cop with his gun out, loaded, and ready to rock. Somehow.

This just doesn't add up.

[Robert]

I thought it meant the police were inside the house and saw the suspect in the yard thru the window.

[110 Lean]

The "poor little puppy couldn't have hurt anyone" angle is already covered. Looking at the pictures at the link you see that "puppy" was pretty huge.

Hey asshole, I have a 15 month-old GSD that weighs 70 lbs. If she ran towards a cop TRESPASSING in my yard it would be because she's expecting a treat.

In case you care, the cops said the suspect got out through the back door which is why they were opening the unsecured gate to the back yard.

Cops lie.

[GamerFromJump]

Being large is a death penalty offense, now?

I knew it! It's a conspiracy by the little-rat-dog breeding industry!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I'm guessing we're going to have to wait a long time for the answer to that one.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oh, my apologies.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

From the comments:

'Redford Township Police Officers are highly skilled safety personnel who are sworn to support and defend against all enemies. This is the core component of their job. It is unfortunate that, on rare occasions, a weapon must be utilized. Such was the case during the incident that you referenced in your email.

When this type of situation occurs, an investigation is conducted at the direction of the Chief of Police. The investigation has concluded that the officer was in imminent threat and the discharge of the weapon was necessary.

Tracey Schultz Kobylarz"

Procedures were followed. A dog got in the way of out bullets because we're cops.

Give 'em hell Redford.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

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[Rufus J. Firefly]

What I'd like Tracey to answer is why arrest the owner to boot?

What's wrong with this assholes?

[sarcasmic]

What I'd like Tracey to answer is why arrest the owner to boot?

He was commanded to go back into his home after the cop killed his pet in his backyard, and he failed to obey.

Fail to obey and all bets are off. You may be arrested, you may be killed. It's a roll of the dice.

[R C Dean]

He was commanded to go back into his home

Pretty much an illegal command, as far as I can tell.

And where was the alleged suspect during all this? For a bunch of cops in hot pursuit of a violent criminal, they sure seem easily distracted.

[sarcasmic]

All police commands are legal because they come from police.

[Hugh Akston]

There is no crime more pressing than failure to show heroic first responders their due deference. Guy's lucky he's still breathing.

[sarcasmic]

Failure to obey is considered to be a threatening act, and reacted to accordingly.

[Ted S.]

Because fuck you, that's why.

[Soros' Wank-noose]

Here is her fb page, which she seems to use to help conduct official business: https://www.facebook.com/tracey.schultz.kobylarz

[sarcasmic]

That's pretty wordy. "Fuck you" would have easily sufficed.

[Bryan C]

The dog was an enemy.

You aren't our enemy, are you?

[AlmightyJB]

Yeah. They looking through her windows "for a suspect". Right.

[Warty]

Remember when Tulpa was doing his "And nothing else happened" bit? Holy shit, that was pathetic.

[Paul.]

That was Dunphy.

[Brett L]

Was Dunphy a Tulpuppet?

[Paul.]

Narp. Dunphy was a peace officer somewhere here in the northwest/seattle area.

Tulpa is a Professor Emeritus of Devil's Advocate and Surveillance Camera proliferation.

[fuck you tulpa]

"Narp."

Says you, with nothing but your gut to go on.

He absolutely was a Tulpa sockpuppet.

[Warty]

No way. Go back and read them. Clearly Tulpa's voice.

[Paul.]

Nah, I seem to remember it was more Dunphy's voice. This new Hydra sockpuppet is definitely Tulpa's voice though.

[Hydra]

I'm not Tulpa. I'm not anybody.

[Paul.]

ALL HAIL HYDRA!

[110 Lean]

I'm not anybody.

Someone needs some self-esteem training.

[fuck you tulpa]

.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

That's what reasonable is for.

[Paul.]

I don't like to filter. I like the pleasure of not reading.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

The facebook page is a hilarious shit-storm. EVERY damn post on the page has comments/replies and those people are PISSED.

Samples:
"Thanks for the bridge update. Now, please stop killing people's pets."
"How many dogs did you shoot in order to conduct the investigation?"

Not that it's much consolation, but it's still nice to see them getting publicly called out. A lot more of this would be a step in the right direction.

[Bryan C]

"But don't bring your dog! Because they'll shoot it."

Public ridicule is a distant second to tar-and-feathers, but it'll do.

[croaker]

I wonder how much tar and feathers it would take to cover that police building?

[SweatingGin]

Well, damnit, too close to home. I drive by there on my way to work. My kid plays soccer two blocks from there.

[The DerpRider]

I grew up just off Beech between six and seven mile.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

"As always it was a pleasure working with the Redford Township Little League Board members, parents, players and families today for the annual parade to kick off the season. Hope you have a great year and a lot of fun!"

"Thank you for not the shooting the kids in cold blood."

[R C Dean]

a 10-month-old Labrador?pit bull mix

Which is an actual, no-fooling puppy.

We need a lot more detail about what happened before the cops trespassed on these people's property. A lot more. Things like:

(1) What suspect did they think they spotted through the window?

(2) Where were they when they spotted this suspect? How far? Which window? etc.

(3) Why didn't they arrest this suspect?

(4) Why didn't they just wait for him or her to leave the house? What was this "chase" they gave? Did he leave the house and start fleeing? How did he escape, exactly, with all these cops in hot pursuit?

(5) Were procedures followed? Did all the cops get tucked nice and snug in their beds, with a cookie, after such a hard day?

[Hydra]

WTFV

[fuck you tulpa]

.

[Paul.]

(1) What suspect did they think they spotted through the window?

There was a Krispy Kreme box on the kitchen counter.

(2) Where were they when they spotted this suspect? How far? Which window? etc.

IN the front bushes.

(3) Why didn't they arrest this suspect?

Evidence has already been consumed. So they made a new suspect.

(4) Why didn't they just wait for him or her to leave the house?

Oh right, now you're going to suggest that they could have just waited for David Koresh to head down to the AM/PM for a pack of Marlboro lights and pop him there instead of turning Waco into a military LZ.

[jamesrk]

The dog was in cahoots with the criminal as it let him pass unscathed and un harassed but attacked the valiant officers.

[Hydra]

Why didn't they just wait for him or her to leave the house?

He went out thru the back door which is why they entered the back yard. Any other brilliant tactical suggestions, Patton?

[R C Dean]

He went out thru the back door which is why they entered the back yard.

I'll just repost this:

Either the suspect had already gotten out of the yard and was on his way, in which case why go into the yard, or

The suspect was still in the yard, in which case he got right past an armed cop with his gun out, loaded, and ready to rock. Somehow.

This just doesn't add up.

[Hydra]

I won't get into any deep geometry theory here because who wants to read that, but generally if you're chasing someone you have to go through the same areas they went through. Not sure who that theorem is named after but we can look it up later.

If the cops had shot a fleeing suspect to death, I'm sure H+R would have had no prob, though.

[R C Dean]

generally if you're chasing someone you have to go through the same areas they went through.

So, piecing this together as best we can and taking the cops at their word:

The cops saw the suspect leave the house through the back door.

The suspect apparently escaped.

Was he in the yard when the cops went into the yard? Seems unlikely. So he wasn't in the yard.

Where did he go? Was it necessary to go through the yard? Unless he was running toward the front of the house, I don't see how the cop at the back didn't need to go through the yard.

The cops seem to have been too busy arresting people on misdemeanor charges to run down a suspect in a violent crime. Interesting, isn't it, that a cop switches from chasing a violent criminal to arresting a man in his own yard for refusing to go back in the house, no?

[R C Dean]

I don't see how the cop at the back needed to go through the yard.

[Paul.]

isn't it, that a cop switches from chasing a violent criminal to arresting a man in his own yard for refusing to go back in the house, no?

this is really one of the most salient points. Violent suspect disappears around the corner! Whoa whoa...stop... stop, this dog owner is mouthing off to us, step over here, sir and place your hands on the wall...

Clearly the community was in mortal DANGAH!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm guessing when they perform a necropsy on the hound they'll find the suspect's remains in its stomach.

[R C Dean]

What the hell, I'll repost this as well:

For a bunch of cops in hot pursuit of a violent criminal [which apparently they had in plain view since they know he went out the back door], they sure seem easily distracted.

[some guy]

In all fairness, puppies have really sharp teeth, are still growing into their feet, and still have some coordination/control issues. It could have accidentally hurt one of the officers while trying to play with them....

[110 Lean]

Not at ten months.

[GroundTruth]

I'd like to wake up one day and see one of these that goes the other way "Dog shoots cop for entering his yard". The text can have something about how important it is at the end of the day for the dog to have done his job correctly. There will be no mention of the cop's family.

[Dances-with-Trolls]

I'd like to see some figures on cops actually injured by dogs vs dogs killed by police officers.

[Jordan]

One day I'd like to see a dead dog's owner go apeshit kill these thugs. Maybe that would wake them up. Even better if the jury nullifies the verdict.

[sarcasmic]

Then the entire police department would descend onto the house and kill everyone inside.

Police would be amended to have officers immediately detain pet owners after killing their pets, for officer safety.

[sarcasmic]

*Policy*

[RBS]

The follow up story would be something like "Entire city block engulfed in flames in retaliation for vicious cop-killing over the weekend."

[some guy]

Now I want to build an automated turret for my dog. It could point wherever he looks and fire whenever he barks. What could possibly go wrong?

[The Late P Brooks]

Redford Township Police Officers are highly skilled safety personnel who are sworn to support and defend against all enemies.

Good grief.

[R C Dean]

Its not even a good English sentence. Unless they are sworn to both support AND defend against all enemies. Which would explain their apparent confusion about what the fuck they are supposed to be doing.

[croaker]

You don't get it. WE are the enemy. As far as they're concerned, if you're not a fellow jack-booted thug, you're the enemy and only safe when you're dead.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

All enemies, foreign and domestic, purebred or mixed breed, pit-bull, lab, poodle, whatever...

[Almanian!]

One of our dogs is a Dachshund/Papillon mix.

Goddamned Nazi-Vichy-French bitch....

(she's the best dog EVER, btw)

[The Late P Brooks]

Why didn't the cops call for air support? If they were sure the suspect was on the property, they should have just killed everybody.

[Bryan C]

I'm sure there's lots of surplus napalm they can use.

[Almanian!]

You ever been to Redford Twp? It's a shithole. It's right by Detroit, so people get Detroit on them, which ruins everything it touches. Including Redford (and Inkster, Taylor, Warren, etc.etc.etc.) Everyone there wants to shoot something.

Cause they live in Redford Twp.

So - good shoot murderdeathkill exercise of police authoritah IMHO.

hth

[SweatingGin]

Mixture of white trash and poor blacks, mostly.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

I thought this just the other day - traditionally, how many mailmen have shot dogs, back in the days when mailmen went on foot and delivered lots of mail? I mean, I understand they were often threatened by dogs, if *Dagwood* comics are anything to go by. So you would imagine they would shoot some of those dogs, the better to go home safely.

[Almanian!]

You're thinking back before the USPS SWATzi teams were instituted. The poor bastards were unarmed back in the 70's when I was growing up. We'd sometimes not get mail for a couple months, then the snow would melt - bam, there was the carcass of the poor sod, right where the pack of wild neighborhood dogs had dropped him.

Happened pretty much at least once every year. Cause dogs were - and continue to be - THAT much of an issue, especially in rural urban suburban everywhere.

[110 Lean]

I live in a neighborhood awash with "pit bulls" and the mail carriers walk there routes. I never hear about them getting attacked.

[110 Lean]

their!

[croaker]

Even when mailmen carried guns they didn't shoot dogs at the rate the cops do today.

[Fluffy]

The couple was hosting a party with the front and back doors open.

Hydra, you worthless fuck, posting this undermines every word you have written on this topic.

You expect me to believe that a dog standing the fucking middle of a party is going to turn superaggressive against someone walking across their backyard?

This is somehow a dog that, in the middle of a group of people having a party, is going to recognize police - and only police - as intruders and is going to move to attack them?

Holy shit, save that dog's DNA. We have to clone it and breed a million of them. We can't afford to lose this magical cop-detecting-and-attacking dog.

[Christophe]

Isolate the gene, insert it in bald eagles = Libertarian air squadron.

[The Late P Brooks]

One day I'd like to see a dead dog's owner go apeshit kill these thugs. Maybe that would wake them up. Even better if the jury nullifies the verdict.

Unfortunately, it would be trumpeted far and wide as proof positive of the WAR ON COPZ, and used to justify budget increases to pay for larger and more heavily armed and armored police forces.

Baboon Army of Occupation, FTW!

[BiMonSciFiCon]

Here's my question: when this cop is off duty and at a barbecue does he shoot his family's dogs when they run up to say hello? What's so different about this situation? Might be that he can get away with it here. These people are sick.

[Hydra]

He has the option of backing off and not entering someone's yard when he's off duty. When he's on duty he doesn't have that option, he's sworn to protect even at the cost of his own life.

[sarcasmic]

he's sworn to protect even at the cost of his own life.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha!

That's funny!

No. He's sworn to go home safely even at the cost of innocent life.

How much innocent life? All of it.

[Almanian!]

He has the option of backing off and not entering someone's yard when he's off duty. When he's on duty he doesn't have that option

Fuck, you ARE that stupid. Of COURSE he has that option. "No, you MUST RUN THROUGH THE YARD!"

No - you can go around, over, under, through if you wish - JUST PLEASE DON'T SHOOT MY FUCKING DOG IF YOU INVADE MY PROPERTY WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, FUCKTARD.

Goddamn you're stupid.

[R C Dean]

"No, you MUST RUN THROUGH THE YARD!"

And immediately give up the chase to arrest someone for failing to obey.

See, that's the part that makes me pretty sure that most of the official story is a lie.

[sarcasmic]

Granted I haven't seen many police reports of events that I witnessed, but in all cases they were works of fiction loosely based on fact.

[Fluffy]

Right.

The "exigent circumstances" were so extreme that they had to enter this yard and shoot this dog...

...but minor enough that once they shot the dog, fuck it, it's Miller Time.

[BiMonSciFiCon]

He also has the option to use his baton, or, you know, pet the fucking dog as it probably just wanted to play.

[110 Lean]

He has the option of backing off and not entering someone's yard when he's off duty. When he's on duty he doesn't have that option, he's sworn to protect even at the cost of his own life.

Being a cop is just like being in the Battle for Gallipoli.

[croaker]

Not really. Not enough cops are dying.

[dantheserene]

Wait, you were serious?

[Paul.]

Could someone post statistics on the number of cops killed by dogs since-- I'll pick a random starting year-- 1947?

This might give us a good idea of what the chances of a cop dying on the job from a dog would be. That way we could judge the merits of these dog shootings better. Like, "Oh come on, the cop had a 1 in 3 chance of dying if he hadn't shot the puppy!"

[Hydra]

You don't need to be afraid for your life to shoot a dog legally. Even severe bodily injury/rabies is justification if it attacks.

[Paul.]

Could someone provide statistics on the number of police officers receiving severe bodily injury/rabies from dog attacks?

[Citizen Nothing]

Most cops these days act as if they're rabid. Maybe Tulpa is on to something.

[Paul.]

Yeah, seriously, anyone who can find some statistics, it'd be appreciated.

I keep modifying my google search parameters, but no matter how I craft them, I keep getting overwhelmed by articles about police killing dogs, not the other way around.

[some guy]

Could someone post statistics on the number of cops killed by dogs since-- I'll pick a random starting year-- 1947?

I'm going to guess 0 killed.
Also 0 severely injured.
Minor injuries in the low hundreds.
Since 1947. Just a guess.

I did manage to find a cop who got bit by a dog, but didn't shoot it. Here. Clearly this officer needs more training.

[Christophe]

Bermuda. That explains it.

[Rebekah]

I have no idea how accurate it is, but I remember running across this graphic when that Puppycide documentary was on kickstarter.

[The Late P Brooks]

When he's on duty he doesn't have that option, he's sworn to protect even at the cost of his own life.

You are such a pathetic retard.

[creech]

I feel sorry for the poor dog. His instincts were right - don't bother the party guests but defend his turf from uniformed stormtroopers. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some dog lover doesn't key the cop's private automobile at the first opportunity.

[Almanian!]

Five dogs in our house. They don't know you, they WILL raise holy hell.

They're dogs.

They don't bite or attack, but probably scare the hell out of someone not familiar with dogs. Two little ones about 10lbs, two at about 50lbs, and 100 lbs of Lab Love who wouldn't hurt a brand new baby (like my granddaughter he's had a good sniffing of).

Yeah - the cop's a fucking dick, and doesn't know shit about how dogs behave.

[some guy]

Two medium sized dogs here. They might hurt you a little by accident while trying to get you to play. But that's just because they're big sacks of dumb.

[ace_m82]

Look, this is all really simple.

If someone shoots my dog, I shoot them (perhaps not to kill, but I do shoot them).

If a cop shoots my dog, then that cop has just started a war, and one that he won't win. I won't win it either, but the casualties will be quite high for one pissed off man. They better run and hope that they die of a heart attack so that God can judge them instead of falling into my hands.

Solution: Don't shoot my dog. That was simple, no?

Signed, a former Marine.

[R C Dean]

I shoot them (perhaps not to kill, but I do shoot them).

If you shoot, shoot to kill. Especially when you're shooting someone who has a gun.

[ace_m82]

That's good advice... for most people. If I don't think they're much of a threat, I MAY just "shoot to wound". Dog shooting cops are quite a threat though.

If you take a 308 hollow-point to the femur, I'm thinking you're not too much a threat anymore.

But yes, under most circumstances, shoot to "end the threat".

[R C Dean]

If you take a 308 hollow-point to the femur,

I'm pretty sure you're not going to make it, unless you get shot in the waiting room of a level 4 trauma hospital. On a slow day.

[ace_m82]

Late reply, but I could save his life. Funny how they don't tell you how effective a properly applied tourniquet is at preventing blood loss. It hurts like hell, and he'll almost certainly lose his leg, but he'll be alive.

A leg for a dog. As Hank Williams Jr. said, "Sounds like justice to me".

[croaker]

Police officers who insist on the whole "fear" paradigm should consider this: Cop killers are near the top of the food chain in prison. Eventually the general public will also learn this little tidbit and act accordingly.

[Loki]

God damn it. I actually wasn't having a completely shitty day, and then this... Fuck fuckity fuck!

[Reverend Draco]

Why are these donut grazers still breathing?

[Brett L]

"You're a sick fucker, Mac!"

[Hydra]

that doesn't avoid having a cop go in the back yard patrolled by the "puppy", so that doesn'treally solve anything.

[Dweebston]

You and I both know the "suspect entering the window" was a post-hoc fabrication. They may have suspected their suspect had entered the house, but as R C points out, there was no way they legitimately sighted him entering the house.

[Hydra]

According to the video they saw him in the house, not entering the house.

[Citizen Nothing]

This, this, a thousand times this.
If I, as a 10-year-old paperboy, could deal with all the fearsome hounds on my route, then what the fuck is wrong with today's cops?

[Citizen Nothing]

And I don't even like dogs that much.

[Almanian!]

Hah! Yeah, I was 11 when I got my route - had to know how to handle the dogs, cause they were out there. Never got bit in 4 years. WEIRD!

[croaker]

It would take me all night to type that list.

[sarcasmic]

I searched for "police" on that page, and found no police killed. There were several homeless people and children killed by police dogs, but no dead cops.

[Kure'i]

It wouldn't prove anything, anyway. If the number of fatalities were high, cops would say, "SEE! DOGS ARE TEH DANGER!!!1! WE NEED TO SHOOT!!"

If the number was low, the cops would say, "SEE! IT'S CUZ WE CAN SHOOT AND PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THIS D4NGEROUS CAN1NE MENACE!!!!"

I'm just surprised they didn't use the default, failsafe, probable cause rubber stamp "we smelled burned marijuana" explanation that I now see on about half the police reports I read.

[some guy]

Even serious injury would be very unlikely as cops tend to travel in small packs. I'm sure there's been a number of minor puncture wounds, though.

[R C Dean]

I'd be willing to bet that the number of cops seriously injured by stray rounds while shooting at dogs exceeds the number of cops seriously injured by dogs.

[Clich? Bandit]

Ya know, Cesar Milan has handled some of the craziest dogs and he is still alive.

[fuck you tulpa]

ANd according to yuo you're not Tulpa, so...anything else lying fuckwit supporter of lying fuckwits?

[Christophe]

Thank you, but as a dog lover, I don't think I want to ruin my Thursday.

[Christophe]

In the cops' defense, dogs can probably sense the sociopath in them, and react a little more aggressively to their presence.

[GamerFromJump]

They react to cops for the same reason they are supposed to react to Terminators: they sense the remorseless, inhuman killer under the skin.