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Tonight on The Independents: Two-Part Interview with Glenn Greenwald, Plus Obamacare Choice-Stifling, the Politics of Nigeria, Casey Kasem, Global Drunkenness, Spring Fashion w/ Gavin McInnes, and After-Show!

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Tonight's episode of The Independents (Fox Business Network, 9 p.m. ET, 6 p.m. PT, repeats three hours later) features a two-part interview with investigative civil libertarian Glenn Greenwald, author of the new book No Place to Hide: Edward Snowden, the NSA, and the U.S. Surveillance State. Greenwald will talk about what it was like to receive and then report out the biggest leak of the 21st century; list which politicians he fears, and what he thinks about the USA Freedom Act.

Party Panelists tonight are criminal defense attorney-slash-TV commentator Remi Spencer and Forbes contributor Carrie Sheffield, who will talk about the Obamacare Quote of the Day from health insurer Marcus Merz (as flagged today by Peter Suderman): "We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has." The duo is also slated to discuss the awful family squabbling over Casey Kasem's withering body, a new ranking of global alcohol consumption, and Clay Aiken's narrow electoral victory over a candidate who just died.

Rachel Boynton, director of the acclaimed new documentary Nigerian oil-industry documentary Big Men, will talk about the latest twists in the Nigerian abductions story. And replacing Kmele Foster tonight will be filmmaker/TakiMag person Gavin McInnes, who will help Kennedy in discussing springtime street fashion in Manhattan.

Smokin' after-show can be found at foxbusiness.com/independents beginning at 10 p.m. sharp. Follow The Independents on Twitter @ independentsFBN; tweet out during the show and we might use your wit. And click on this page for more video of past segments.

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  1. Hello.

      1. Wanted to post a youtube of the Jim’s Big Ego version but apparently it does not exist.

        Great tune, etc.

  2. And replacing Kmele Foster tonight will be filmmaker/TakiMag person Gavin McInnes, who will help Kennedy in discussing springtime street fashion in Manhattan.

    You’re about to go full-Nicole, show. You never go full-Nicole.

  3. Question for you good folks…

    Am I an asshole if I don’t go to my best friend’s THIRD wedding that’s a continent away?

    1. This is the third time he’s had a wedding on a different continent? I’d say you were an awesome friend if you already made the first two.

    2. Which Continent?

      1. This one, just the other side.

        1. Which side? There are no continents on the sides. There is below or above. There is nothing on the sides, except for large ponds.

          1. The OPPOSITE SIDE of this continent. Sea to shining sea (almost).

            Okay, I was exaggerating slightly…jees!

            1. wedding that’s a continent away

              That’s a big exaggeration, buddy! (: But we’re going to forgive you this time…

              1. you’re an idiot

    3. best friend’s

      What are friends for?

    4. Seriously? Are you rich enough and free enough to go to your best friends wedding that’s a continent away?

      1. Are you rich enough and free enough

        Yes, I am. I just have no desire to fly to Maine, so I can lie to his new bride (never met her) about what a catch she’s getting.

        He’s a real-life Sam Malone. He’s 49 and his favorite thing in life is still chasing pussy. Kinda pathetic. I’d be happy for him if I thought he was getting married for the right reasons or I thought there was a snowball’s chance in hell it will work out.

        1. If he’s your buddy then you should be able to tell him to his face.

          I always do with my close friend.

          Nothing is hidden. Tell it like it is.

          After all, we are not communists.

        2. Dude, Maine? Then, you’re in Canada, yes? Where?

          He’s 49 and his favorite thing in life is still chasing pussy.

          I guess I may be pathetic, because that was still my fav thing at 47. Happily married now, and settled down, but it took almost 50 years and the right woman. Take it easy on your friend.

          1. but it took almost 50 years

            you chased pussy when you were 11?

        3. “He’s a real-life Sam Malone. He’s 49 and his favorite thing in life is still chasing pussy.”

          Send him a ‘scrip to Playboy with your best wishes.
          What a best friends for?

          1. My compliments, one of your best lines!

    5. He knows you’re a libertarian right? So he already knows you’re an asshole.

    6. “Francisco d’Anconia|5.13.14 @ 8:11PM|#

      Question for you good folks…

      Am I an asshole if I don’t go to my best friend’s THIRD wedding that’s a continent away?

      No. There is a 2 wedding rule.

      I have 3 friends who have each married and then divorced and remarried. We all discussed the 2 wedding rule and agreed = if you are an ‘inner circle’ friend, you are obligated to do both #1 and #2 (particularly if you were one of the Inner Circle friends who constantly reminded them, “Man, your wife is *such* an unbelievable cunt!”) – but #3? its completely ON THEM to fund your attendance or make it convenient for you if they expect you to come *at all*. if they’re doing it far away, that is actually sending a message that They Shouldn’t Need You.

      If you are not ‘inner circle’, then fuck dude, you were being nice even doing #2. (maybe you hoped to bang the bride’s sister? I know… I did. Better than a HS reunion, weddings.)

      Just my take on the issue.

    7. I don’t have any profound insights, but it certainly sounds interesting. May I hope that everything works out?

    8. I’ll put it this way. If your friend has a problem with you not traveling to his third wedding then he’s an asshole.

    9. IMO, if you’re getting married for a third time you’re not in a position to judge anyone for not demonstrating the dedication or loyalty required to travel across the country to attend it.

      1. Haha when my uncle split up with his second wife and my parents told me I said “Huh, already?” it having only been nine months.

  4. The duo is also slated to discuss the awful family squabbling over Casey Kasem’s withering body

    Why is that newsworthy? Why not talk about this:

    Jail time for Spanish woman who set daughter’s rapist on fire

    A mother who killed her daughter’s rapist by setting him on fire began a five-and-half-year prison sentence this week.

    Maria del Carmen Garcia of Benej?zar, Spain, was convicted of murder in 2009, according to The Local.

    The killing occurred in 2005, after Antonio Soriano, a man who raped Garcia’s daughter in 1998 but was out of prison on parole, ran into Garcia and asked, “How’s your daughter?” Later that day, Garcia purchased gasoline, located Soriano in a bar, threw the gasoline on him and set him on fire. He died 11 days later of his burns.

    Garcia’s daughter was 13 at the time of the rape.

    Garcia was sentenced to nine and a half years in prison, but court officials released her in 2006, citing “special circumstances,” such as the fact that Garcia had no previous record and claimed to have experienced temporary insanity when she committed the crime.

    However, the High Court of Justice of Valencia ruled that Garcia must go back to prison to serve a reduced sentence of five and a half years

    There’s an interesting discussion to be had about justice. Would you have convicted?

    1. Would you have convicted?

      Barring an actual psychotic break, yes. However disgusting the man’s behavior was it is not sufficient to justify killing him. I also take issue with only 9 and 1/2 years for raping a 13 year old, but that’s another matter.

      1. ^agree. extrajudicial killings can’t be sanctioned, even in the case of revenge for murder. As heinous as this guy’s crime was, it wasn’t murder.

        1. Fuck that. Citizen’s death warrant, issued and served.

          1. Citizen’s death warrant, issued and served.

            Says everyone who cannot imagine themselves being on the wrong end of that warrant some day.

            1. I’m not exactly advocating vigilante justice, but this is an extreme case.

              1. I’m not exactly advocating vigilante justice

                Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

            2. Says everyone who cannot imagine themselves being on the wrong end of that warrant some day.

              Well yeah, I’d never do something to harm an innocent person. Thus I would never be the target of a vigilante justice attack.

              1. There’s actually a well publicized case here in Brazil of a woman who “looked” like a person being accused online of kidnapping kids. The ‘citizens’ of the neighborhood found and beat her to death. One guy dropped a concrete slab on her head near the end of the beating.

                I won’t post the nasty video, it’s pretty easy to find.

                Turns out, the original story of the woman kidnapping kids was just a nasty rumor. Sucks to be her.

                1. ^This.

                  Thus I would never be the target of a vigilante justice attack.

                  Vigilante’s always get the right person?

                  1. Does government? Besides, it’s not a case of mistaken identity here, is it?

                    1. It’s a case of mistaken identity related to a crime that never happened.

                  2. Vigilante’s always get the right person?

                    That’s why I go armed.

                  3. Not any less often than the state. Also vigilantes, unlike the state don’t kill in my name without my consent.

      2. It is not another matter, it is at the heart of it.

        We do not take the law into our own hands because we have institutions that are charged with upholding the rule of law. In this case, the institution failed miserably.

        The criminal justice system did not do their job, so mommy did it for them. The person who should be going to jail is the person responsible for the rapists short sentence.

        1. Exactly.

    2. Is lighting your 13 yo daughter’s rapist on fire, killing him, even a crime?

      1. You’re just in to asking questions tonight, aren’t you?

        Crime of passion.

          1. I’m just saying, it’s a crime, murder, but it’s a crime of passion. That’s IMHO.

            1. Tough call. I think it’s one of those where I’d actually need to hear the testimony.

              Gotta hand it to her, if your gonna go full Liam Neeson…she got it done.

              1. Really tough call.

                What did the asshole have in mind when he taunted the victim’s mother? That was over the top and shows a complete lack of remorse. Nothing would have happened if he had just kept his mouth shut.

      2. When he comes back and asks me, “How’s your daughter?”

        No. It is assisted suicide.

    3. Would you have convicted?

      Hell no. You mess with the bull, you get the fucking horns.

    4. Is “he needed killin'” a legitimate defense in Spain?

    5. He died 11 days later of his burns.

      I hope she visited him every fucking day to ask him how he was doing.

      1. With salt

  5. “We have to break people away from the choice habit that everyone has.”

    Nice.

    Just fucking nice.

    1. Lenin wanted to create a New Soviet Man that would reject capitalism, individualism, and selfishness.

      Obamacare intends to create a New Obama Man that embraces mediocrity.

      1. That process has been long under way. Obamacare is more a symptom than a cause.

    2. I saw that earlier today. I think it’s more appropriate that we start breaking some heads of people who think they have the right to take away our freedom of choice.

    3. Could have just stopped at “We have to break people”.

  6. “The duo is also slated to discuss the awful family squabbling over Casey Kasem’s withering body”

    Geez, that’s a relief. I was afraid we’d get nothing but ‘Serious News Commentary’, like = ‘weird stuff happens to Jay-Z in elevators!’, or ‘how racist is that old rich guy?’, or maybe amusing clips of Vladimir Putin playing hockey.

    1. I was reading about that today. Apparently, the family thinks he’s on an Indian reservation in WA state. But his wife’s attorney says that he has left the country.

  7. Greenwald, I told you to keep your arse in Brazil. Are you fucking stuipid or just really brave? If the latter, I salute you, amigo.

    1. Shouldn’t that (amigo) be in Portuguese?

      1. Amigo, (friend), that is in Portuguese. All of the Latin Romance languages, share certain words, that is one of them.

        1. At least between Portuguese and Spanish.

          1. The word ‘friend’ in both Portuguese and Spanish, is ‘Amigo’ for a male friend and ‘Amiga’ for a female friend.

            1. I was being a dick.

              It’s in Italian too.

              1. Sorry. Amico.

              2. Being a dick is a forgivable offense in libertopia.

              3. Unclear pronoun/antecedent!

                1. Well, it’s totally sexist, we know, it’s just that we don’t care.

  8. Gavin co-hosting. Buckle up.

    I kind of want to establish a Gavin drinking game.

    Can’t think of his greatest hits right now, though.

    1. The way to win that drinking game is being drunker than Gavin by the end of the show. Or maybe that’s how you lose…

      1. Please consult a physician before attempting to be drunker than Gavin.

      2. Yea, that sounds like losing.

        Rule #1: don’t be drinker than Gavin.
        Rule #2: Moynihan doesn’t show how drunk he is.

    2. Is Gavin drunk?
      Join him!

  9. American Prospect points out that left-wing magazines are pretty much entirely staffed with white people, The Nation hilariously blames unions.

    The stagnation of the industry also means there are few opportunities to increase diversity. “The staff here is unionized, which means there is little job turnover,” says Richard Kim, executive editor at The Nation, who is Asian American and gay. “We only get to make a hire every four or five years.” Among the progressive publications I examined, The Nation scored the lowest, with slightly over 4 percent of its staff hailing from racial and ethnic minority groups.

    I’m not sure what only hiring every four or five years has to do with being a mostly white publication. Did black people not exist four years ago?

    Progressives are hysterical.

    1. Ha, ha hysterical or Krusty groan hysterical?

    2. There are unions for magazine writers?

      1. That’s a healthy response to this article.

      2. If they didn’t have unions, their editors might force them to write articles from inside a coal mine.

        1. write articles from inside a coal mine.

          Ugh, I suppose I should stock up on assassin grade orphans to keep my mines clear of vermin.

    3. That is hilarious. Excellent find.

    4. The New Yorker story about ‘OMG Mark Zuckerberg gave Newark $100m and it all vanished into the void’ is similarly hilarious in how they’re trying to find some reason why the “education reform” project failed…. and it is a desperate exercise in trying to say that, er, well, Unions do have some role… and well, communities… and politics…..

      The author strains desperately to try and ‘complicate the narrative’ (the expression ’16-Dimensional Chess!’ is used multiple times)… when in fact, its a very simple story = Newark sucks because of machine politicians and corrupt unions. And Christie and Booker knew that, took the fucking money, made a few PR gestures about ‘Reform’, and both resumed their respective campaigns for President/Senator without even giving a wet-fart about Newark Schools ever again.

      Apparently this is all shocking news to the New Yorker author, whom I assume may have just finally escaped from their Masters program @ Oberlin or something and is just now discovering how the world actually works.

      1. Probably had much more to do with having to educate Newark kids.

    5. When the staff at ‘The Nation’ is feeling particularly daring they’ll take a drive through the Swedish part of town.

      1. That there is funnier than all the comedians who have appeared on The Independents.

      2. You only say that because you don’t realize how fleet-footed the Swedes are. We can safely assume that 95 percent of the Swede males […] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal

    6. I should have bookmarked that article where the black guy writes the article saying, “White Progressives Need To Please Shut The Fuck Up About Race”… (paraphrased) ‘because they talk about it all the time and a) its fucking annoying and b) they do not have the right to speak for others..’

      I think it was… the Nation where that was published? Fuck if I can’t remember.

    7. Free-range, organic salmon tacos are considered an ethnic dining experience by the staff of ‘The Nation’.

  10. SCOTUS Prayer Ruling Bearing Fruit

    “Roanoke County’s Board of Supervisors may be headed toward another discussion of prayer following a U.S. Supreme Court ruling handed down Monday. The board dealt with the matter in 2012, eventually passing a nonsectarian prayer policy that Supervisor Al Bedrosian is ready to strike from the books.

    The freedom of religion doesn’t mean that every religion has to be heard,’ said Bedrosian, who added that he is concerned about groups such as Wiccans and Satanists. ‘If we allow everything ? where do you draw the line?’

    When asked if he would allow representatives from non-Christian faiths and non-faiths, including Jews, Muslims, atheists and others, the Hollins District supervisor said he likely would not.”

    http://www.roanoke.com/news/lo…..l?mode=jqm

  11. 17 Year Old Girl Wears Slinky Dress to Prom, Is Asked to Leave, Feminist Ties it to Rape Culture

    “More broadly, Clare’s story is just the latest installment in a long line of examples of schools telling girls to cover up so they don’t distract their male peers. Ultimately, that attitude teaches girls that it’s their responsibility to prevent themselves from being ogled, rather than teaching boys to have the self-control to refrain from objectifying their classmates. It’s one of many ways that women are unfairly punished for their sexuality, and it’s exactly the type of framing that contributes to rape culture.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/healt…..-thoughts/

    Head.
    Spinning.

    1. Richmond Homeschool Prom

      Although I’m sympathetic. One of my classmates had completely unbuttoned my dress shirt on the dance floor. Another peer scolded me and said it was inappropriate and buttoned me back up at my prom.

      I don’t really remember much of the rest of my prom though.

    2. Women can express their sexuality as much as they please, but young hormonal teenagers need to be instilled with Victorian sexual mores to fight the rape culture.

    3. Hahahahaha it’s a blog post by a teenage girl. A blog post. Now, even assuming that everything happened exactly as she said it, which is a huge assumption BTW, it’s still a blog post.

      ThinkProgress just reposted from Gawker, who reposted from a random blog. Serious journalism!

      Oh, and she blames men, but she didn’t get kicked out by men, she got kicked out by women, the women in charge of the Homeschool Prom, because they were mad that their husbands were looking at nubile flesh on display.

      The thing I love about feminists is that they have this mass delusion that men are opposed to wanton female sexuality. It’s insane, it’s the opposite of the truth. Women are the ones who are the scolds, the naggers. The enforcers of dress codes.

      1. the naggers

        That’s RACIs… Oh, nevermind…

      2. this mass delusion that men are opposed to wanton female sexuality.

        I don’t know.

        I do kind of hate the government digging into my wallet to pay for single moms and their rapist criminal kids.

        But i guess that has more to do with opposing the consequences of wanton women’s sexuality and not really opposing wanton women’s sexuality.

    4. “17 Year Old Girl Wears Slinky Dress”

      I was expecting a dress made out of Slinkys.

      So disappointed…

    5. Seriously, why are girls these days wearing cocktail dresses to a ball? Such a sad state of affairs.

    1. Cat herding classes at 11.

  12. Florida Man tries new dietary supplement.

  13. Girl Wears Slinky Dress

    I wonder why she did that?

    teaching boys to have the self-control to refrain from objectifying their classmates

    I wonder why boys do that?

    1. The young woman seems to me to have wanted desperately to be ogled and objectified, but its the boys the author denounces because they might have…ogled and objectified her. I’m not saying they were right to send her home, but to blame young boys and rape culture for what was going on here is all kinds of bizarre.

      1. She was sent home by the women running the prom. It’s older women who hate young girls showing off the goods, because they can’t win the attention of men if nubile young flesh is on display. The idea that men are simultaneously horndog perverts and moralizing jerks fitting every teenage hottie for a burka is completely contradictory.

        1. I agree that women more often play the role of gate-keeper, but I don’t think prudery and lechery are mutually exclusive. I don’t think it’s uncommon to have people who feel they have less control over their behavior to crack down on the behaviors in related categories around them.

          1. I don’t think it’s uncommon to have people who feel they have less control over their behavior to crack down on the behaviors in related categories around them.

            Explains many of the laws of this land I think.

        2. It’s older women who hate young girls showing off the goods, because they can’t win the attention of men if nubile young flesh is on display.

          Well in fairness they probably hate paying for young girls getting pregnant as much as i do…maybe even more so cuz dollars for donuts an older woman is more likely going to to have to help change diapers then I am.

          1. Oh indeed that’s true. Which just goes further to my point here. For all the bitching and moaning about the patriarchy, it wasn’t men who kicked her out for looking good in a dress. It was “Mrs. D” and the rest of the queen bees on the party planning committee.

  14. Grand Maester Kennedy in the house.

  15. Glen Greenwald = funny looking?

    1. A little. He’s not fully muppety or anything though.

  16. I like that dress!

  17. Kennedy wearing kitchen curtains?

  18. Welch with the Salmon shirt.

    1. looks pink on my monitor

      1. More on the lavender-y side on mine.

  19. Kennedy wants to put y’all back in chains!

  20. Gavin fix your tie

  21. Party Panel looks like they could be related.

    1. A gene pool party?

  22. Gavin seems sober… I’m really confused.

  23. Great Fargo accent, Kennedy!

  24. Can they possibly make it single payer before Obama leaves office? Or is this on Hillary to fix?

  25. There’s Gavin!

  26. Is TI renting out FOX girl guest-hosts? Last few have been smokin’.

  27. The Interruptor is back.

    Why have a panel?

  28. Ok, I know this is redundant. But, at this point, why the fuck is Matt not the chief of this tribe? Seriously, WTF? Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to get rid of Kennedy, but Matt clearly is the best host of this show. WTF is going on here?

    1. Matt is a better interviewer. But Kennedy does bring an energy level unlike anyone else. For a serious guest (like Greenwald) I’d have Matt lead. But most of the time Kennedy is fine…if she learns to control the impulse to interrupt, she’d be perfectly fine I think.

    2. Sex appeal

      (sorry matt)

  29. “Berkshire Hathaway Home Services. Good to Know”

    Crony Real Estate Services?

  30. Pre-recorded = no Gavin = hooray

  31. In medias res. What an awkward transition to the taped interview.

  32. “fell into his lap”?

    Durr hurrr.

  33. Benedict Arnold!

  34. An explosive Kennedy interrupt.

  35. Glenn looks amused by Kennedy rather than off-put. So that’s something.

  36. But why doesn’t he come home and impale himself on the Spear of Justice?

    WHY?

  37. The Independents Attire Review, 13 May 2014

    Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat-Edition

    – Kennedy: Say whaa? Shocking developments = Patterns! Chains … straps… bondage? …DOMINATION?!?! While the look initially takes us aback somewhat (patterns probably considered a No-No by Television stylists for what should be obvious reasons), the Theme does not = Mistress Kennedy knows you all have been very naughty and is going to make you Very, Very sorry. Assume The Position.

    – Matt: *Somebody’s* been experimenting with hair products and a mirror. We’ve made the Howdy Doody comparisons in the past; tonight we’re feeling a bit more Bob’s Big Boy. Matt’s so squeaky-clean already we’re not sure what the effect of ‘sharpening up’ his hairstyle really is? It feels like someone dressed up a Hitler Youth for a job interview. We’ve previously passed judgment on the pink-shirt/purple-silver tie combo: its the least horrible of his many other choices. With a little help he could do much better.

    – Gavin: A perfect example of Homer Simpson’s dictum: “You tried; you failed – Lesson?: Never Try.” Gavin *never* tries, and in his own bizarre way succeeds by having zero standards whatsoever. The fact his jacket is bunched over his shoulders, his shirt unbuttoned, and his tie half-cocked are all in fact *positive* features. He is what he is, and his attire choices resonate with it. We give the Win tonight to Gavin for sheer ‘Contempt-Chic’.

    Thank You

    1. “Contempt chic”

      Excellent!

    2. His beard is pretty fierce too.

    3. “It feels like someone dressed up a Hitler Youth for a job interview”

      +1 perfect description.

      1. “….So, it says here you have a lot of experience… in groups? That’s nice. And you received extensive training in…. breeding the Master Race? Interesting. Is that a major or a minor? Well, Karl, we’ll be sure to give you a call…. ha ha… that’s an interesting handshake… hi-five!”

  38. John McCain wants to send in SFs…

    I’m shocked!

  39. Financial Justice: substituting one small group of kleptocrats for another.

  40. 1% taking all the resources? Occupy Nigeria.

      1. Niger, please!

        I know that this comment will never be read, but that is brilliant!

        … Hobbit

    1. Occupy Nigeria.

      If they defecated in the street, would anyone notice…or care?

      1. shhh…quiet.

        We might luck out and get the occupy crowd to die from cholera.

  41. ‘John McCain wants to’

    That’s a damn good reason to not do something.

    1. I can think of no better reason to avoid doing something than that.

      1. How about this – John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Dianne Feinstein agree this is the right thing to do.

  42. “I read kidnappings can be very lucrative” — Kennedy’s been researching post-TV host careers.

  43. Hashtag Power!

  44. Mopery is a crime.

  45. Is Samuel L Jackson broke, or does he genuinely feel like shilling for Capital One is like, career enhancing?

    1. There seems to have been a spike in celebrities in ads recently. I blame California taxes.

      1. It certainly keeps them in the public consciousness between movies

    2. Gotta be quicker money than making another got-dam movie.

    3. Mr. Jackson is doing “Marvel: Agents of SHIELD””

      I’m thinking “broke”.

      1. I’mma say NO.

        I’m thinkin there’s probably a lot of money in Shield, given the tie-in to some of the most successful movies in history.

  46. Does anybody anywhere like cyclists?

    1. Other cyclists do.

      Tim Worstall linked a few days back to a piece about cyclists vs. car drivers, and a couple of people I’ve never seen on his blog showed up in the comments engaging in a bunch of pro-cyclist moral tut-tutting.

    2. Fuck off. Cycling is a wonderful way to get around.

      1. I thought you got around by riding your ass?

        1. After that palm branch fiasco (I mean, who gets the love and then nailed up a week late, right?) He hath switched to pedal power.

  47. OK, I’ve reached my limit on this TMZ crap!!! NO MORE CELEBRITY NEWS!!!!!!!!

  48. Isn’t he a liberal? Why invite him?

  49. They should be glad that Dutch public-service ad wasn’t like 2mins of hardcore gabba tekno and epilepsy inducing lightshow

  50. This was better than ANYTHING that the US propaganda machine puts out. And to keep stirring the pot, I enjoy watching Gavin. Take that HyR!

    1. “This”, of course, being the Voteman cartoon.

      1. The first 10 seconds after they cut to Voteman is the most epic animation I’ve ever seen. Between the multiple, simultaneous BJs on one dude, to the multiple bondage-dolphin DP..shit, this is more active than Carlos Danger’s Twitter feed.

  51. Welch with the mega-zinger!

  52. Gavin took a shot during the Greenwald interview.

  53. Read your Book of Mormon, Jesus discovered America.

  54. “TSA Asians”? Gavin has a Roseanne Roseannadanna moment!

    1. Emily Littella

      1. Correction – the Google informs me it’s Litella.

        1. I could go for some Nutella right about now.

      2. Oops, you are correct.

  55. Kennedy reminds me of Rachel Maddow some times.

    And that’s not a good thing.

    1. You go too far, Sir.

      1. Yes, Kennedy has a sense of humor. Maddow once heard there’s something called humor.

  56. Emily Littella

    Thank you. I was trying to dredge that up out of the fetid swamp of my memory.

    1. What’s all this I hear about TSA Asians!

  57. Attention LA Reasonoids:

    RannedPaul will be out in my area tomorrow and I think we’re gonna be meeting up around 4 or 5 (still awaiting confirmation text) downtown since he’ll be out here for work. The offer is extended to other reasonoids. I’m gonna try to convince him to do Green Hut Oyster Bar because I

    1. Maybe. But I’ll be getting off of work at 4 or 5, so Torrance to DTLA at that time might excessively miserable.

      1. If you’re off at 4, it’s not too bad. And I think you’re traveling opposite direction from the heavy traffic. Although the Kings game tomorrow night might change that calculation

        1. Although the Kings game tomorrow night might change that calculation

          Might? 4 is optimistic anyway since it would involve me going in a little early and taking a really short lunch.

      1. because I love oysters and am stupid enough to use the heart knowing full well that it will be considered html code.

  58. Haha, sucker!

  59. That’s not an ‘organ’ Kennedy, that’s a Clavinet

    1. That’s not an organ, THIS is an organ.

      /porn dialog

  60. Ta ta for now, all. I’m getting on a plane to Spain, I will be lecturing at a medical conference there. I hope to check in from time to time over the next week, perhaps on PM links or the Independents thread, when I may be back in my hotel room and on wifi. Let me know if there’s anything I should be reporting back to you all about!
    Cheers,
    C.A.

    1. safe travels

    2. Let me know if there’s anything I should be reporting back to you all about!

      You mean besides the hookers?

      1. I’m hoping he finds a restaurant there called topless tapas

    3. Enjoy.

      Before you go up and speak get tanked on Sherry.

    4. General “man on the street” report on the spanish economy would be interesting — interesting to know if it has changed in the last year or so.

      Also wines. Report back on wines that should be gone after.

  61. Matt, how about an educational segment on the show? “What is libertarianism?” (or similar)

    Could do a little thing on libertarian principle and where we stand on issues based upon those principles. Try and counter some of the bullshit criticisms from the establishment.

    Just a thought. This E! bullshit is wearing thin.

    1. They should hammer the classical liberal heritage.

    2. Amen! Unless TI is angling for a spot on the E! in case Fox Biz dumps them, I want to see if they can go a week without doing a segment on celebrity news.

    3. I second the motion

  62. IIRC, Greenwald got busted for replying to his own articles in the comments (was it the Atlantic? Slate? I don’t remember). Anyone remember what his handle was?

    1. SG-

      Best links here

  63. What? Nobody ever expected the Patriot Act to be used for evil?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  64. Enjoy your golf, Penguins.

    1. The fucking Rangers advance?

      [vomits]

  65. Gavin drinks the most booze on the planet

  66. I’m getting on a plane to Spain

    Wear your raincoat.

    The rain in Spain falls mainly on the….

    Nyuck nyuck nyuck.

    1. You tried too hard.

  67. Ukrainians drink the most hard liquor.

    if not them, their nearest neighbors. Its always been a close call.

    1. I tired to keep up, drinking, with some Ukrainian Army officers in 2003.

      I vomited.

  68. Is there a handicap system? Slivovitz should get a multiplier.

  69. Kennedy just answered the question we wondered about a while back about her heritage.

    Romanian it is.

    1. I was under the impression she never shut up about her Romanian blood.

      1. I was under the impression she never shut up about her Romanian blood.

        FTFY

  70. Did he slip into a heavy John Cleese at the end?

    1. All I could hear was the Scott’s Lawn Care guy….Scott.

  71. Oh, great they brought back the stepford wives.

    Shut up gavin.

    I told it was Ukraine’s neighbors

  72. Eat it Yanks!

    1. I’d constantly drink too if I lived up there.

      1. Fucken-A.

        Ever play hockey drunk? You haven’t lived.

        1. I’ve never experienced snowfall, so no.

            1. Yes, I deeply regret growing up in sunny Southern California instead of the garden spot of America, Cleveland.

              1. You are going to pay for that comment in spades, my friend.

                1. It seems that Winter Is Coming, Moff.

              2. I was in Cleveland for a couple days on business once. Still have no idea WTF that was. Downtown was like a tight, little, compressed butthole of activity and most of he rest was just residential muck sprawled all over the landscape.

          1. Whaaaaaa!?

            Also, there’s a year-round ice rink near me. Not a good excuse.

            1. I’ve been to ice rinks before. The Michelle Kwan one in Artesia is close to where I live.

              I’ve only seen snow on the ground up in Big Bear but have never experienced it fall from the sky. The closest I came was frozenish rain in DC.

          2. I think it’s going to start snowing here right away.

  73. 18L per year? That’s like 4.5 gallons. That’s like a month’s worth of booze.

    Fuckin pussies!

    1. 18L of vodka should count for more than 18L of Natty Light.

      1. I assumed they converted it into liters of pure alcohol… didn’t look, though.

  74. Three martini lunches for everyone!

    1. Martinis are like breasts: one is not enough, and three is too many.

      1. That was a Ben Franklin quote, correct?

      2. three is too many.

        Says you.

        You know why they call it a waist?

        Because god coulda put two more boobs there.

  75. “The whole world is three drinks behind”

    1. You didn’t finish the quote, GILMORE:

      “The whole world is three drinks behind Gavin”

  76. Lady in blue has an airhead laugh.

    1. I’d so hit that though.

  77. The Lou Dobbs countdown.

  78. So the Derpbook prog believes Bush let 9/11 happen on purpose. I said that is like blaming Pearl Harbor on FDR.

    There are plenty of fair criticisms to make of Bush. Saying he deliberately let terrorists attack is tin foil hat territory.

    1. Did you see the incident on the Being Liberal Facebook page? They found a graphic of Ayn Rand’s ‘the smallest minority in the world is the individual’ quote, cropped out the attribution to her, and posted it as something compatible with progressive ideology.

      Much hilarity in the comments ensued.

      1. Everything is compatible with progressive ideology since it contains no principles and they redefine words whenever it suits them.

  79. Is FOE burning his Pens jersey right about now?

    1. I’d be burning down the arena.

      1. They’re probably burning Bylsma’s contract.

  80. Is this their audition tape for an E! Network show?

  81. Oh God, someone please put this show out of its misery.

  82. creepy, so very creepy.

    1. MOAR TONGUE

      THAT’S NOT AT ALL TERRIBLE

  83. “I have never prayed so much for Lou Dobb’s face in my life”

    ouch. US too.

  84. Do they know they’re on TV?

  85. That tongue action was funny.

  86. I miss Kmele, but that tongue thing was hawt.

  87. ahhh, soothing Lou Dobbs

  88. WHEN IS KMELE COMING BACK???

    1. when you deserve him

      1. What did I do to bring this suffering on us all?

          1. Since when am I Nicole???

          2. WHOA, there is a democratically elected THE WORST on this board. You can’t just abrogate her title unilaterally.

            1. Well then, certainly THE WORST IN THE WEST

              1. I appreciate you qualifying her THE WORST-ness, but what if Nicole honeymoons in the west? Can H&R survive that kind of cosmological conflict?

                1. “There can be only one”!

                  We need swords and be-headings…

  89. Suck it, Dobbs, you blathering wacko.

  90. Shit. Aftershow with Gavin’s tongue.

  91. I think Gavin is a good sub for Kmele. Instead of giving us faux Kmele, or Kmele lite, Gavin is the Anti-Kmele. I think if Kmele’s lower lip was on fire and running his tongue around like that was the only way to put it out, he still wouldn’t do it.

  92. I didn’t think it was possible, but they’re not living up to their own standards.

  93. How does failing your mission by getting shot down equate to war hero?

  94. I changed the channel early. Please tell me you’re not talking about Welch’s tongue.

    1. Gavin’s tongue. You didn’t miss out.

      Aftershow is filled with uncomfortable moments, and Kennedy is talking slow. No idea how she got drunk between show and aftershow.

      1. It’s her hair. She put it up and her hyperactivity went down. It was the source of her power.

        1. A female Sampson?

          1. or even Samson

            1. But it obviously didn’t protect the show from Philistines.

              1. They have plenty of ass jawbones, though.

  95. The 19 worst things ever.

    1. They left “Buzz Feed links” off the list.

    2. I feel like I just took a masters seminar in first world problems.

      1. At the bottom is ear buds and pop tarts…

        Not first world problems, worse.

        Hipster problems.

  96. The actual show felt more coordinated than Raindance compared to this ‘after show’. I’ve heard stoners try to debate changing channels more coherently.

  97. Gavin has a hit list.

  98. “I’ll be back.”

    Oh. look. He came back.

  99. Ron Paul is right, there’s a constitutional solution – Letters of Marque and Reprisal.

  100. This aftershow feels like they vacillate between failed attempts at humor and failed attempts at making sense about Foreign Policy

    1. I think that Gavin explaining his “Vet” joke that bombed during the show on the after-show, and it still not making sense or being funny may be the apex of TI. It’s all downhill from here, folks! He should have mic dropped and walked off. High art, indeed.

  101. I am ashamed for all the people who appeared on this show, and I feel nothing but embarrassment and regret for having watched it.

  102. Literally everything about Gavin freaks me out. I feel sick now.

  103. Literally everything about Gavin freaks me out. I feel sick now.

    1. The squirrels know what I’m talking about. (If this posts twice, I’m going back to bed.)

    2. He’s like every bad stereotype of a writer.

      1. by which I mean drinking.

  104. If I were trying to escape a relentless cyborg murderer, a Gremlin is what I’d take.

    Yup.

  105. Thankfully they cut the aftershow off even earlier than normal. It was out of mercy.

  106. Kids tasting coffee for the first time.

    1. What kind of coffee? The crappy burnt tasting kind or the good kind?

      1. Give them some sugary candy, too, while you’re at it.

        1. and a smoke.

    2. You’ll change your tune when you gotta sit through that 8 AM meeting, ya little whiners.

      1. By the time they have jobs (if they do), they have invented a 5 Hour Energy which not only keeps you awake but makes you take detailed notes on whatever the people at the meeting are saying.

        Coffee will be so tame in comparison that high-powered people will disdain to use it – only bums in alleys will be drinking it.

        1. By the time they have jobs (if they do), they have invented a 5 Hour Energy which not only keeps you awake but makes you take detailed notes on whatever the people at the meeting are saying.

          Coffee will be so tame in comparison that high-powered people will disdain to use it – only bums in alleys will be drinking it.

          Adderall. Kids already have that.

      2. By the time they have jobs (if they do), they have invented a 5 Hour Energy which not only keeps you awake but makes you take detailed notes on whatever the people at the meeting are saying.

        Coffee will be so tame in comparison that high-powered people will disdain to use it – only bums in alleys will be drinking it.

        1. they *will have* invented

      3. I see a cross-continental road trip in your future.

        What about three times a charm?

  107. Thankfully they cut the aftershow off even earlier than normal. It was out of mercy.

    Say it in Doktor Frankenfurter’s voice.

    “It was a mercy killing.”

    1. Laughed the whole time, posted it to facebook. The only thing I didn’t like about it was that she brutalizes him instead of killing him painfully over several days.

  108. Jeez, from what I’m reading here I feel lucky that I’m in the wrong time zone to watch this live.

    Watching a celebrity interview comes up on my list of things I would do just before submitting to trepanning, sober, done by a drunken parkinson’s patient.

    1. Watching a celebrity interview comes up on my list of things I would do just before submitting to trepanning, sober, done by a drunken parkinson’s patient.

      that would have worked if you hadn’t stopped me.

      1. You had the drill on reverse, dude. It was getting annoying.

  109. The dogs will alert you to their presence.

  110. Pulse rifles.

    In the forty watt range.

  111. So was Greenwald worth it?

  112. Nova Scotia school says jean shorts ‘too distracting’ for boys, gives girl detention for fashion crime

    1. “Winter had finally moved on. The sun was out. The temperature was rising”

      In Nova Scotia?

      Finally, proof of global warming!

    2. Back in the 1980s when I was in junior high, chicks sometimes wore men’s boxers as ‘shorts’. It was ‘a thing’.

      I did not complain. Pulling them off was also ‘a thing’. although that could naturally get one in trouble.

  113. A Calgary family got a deal on their Mother’s Day tiramisu after a restaurant rewarded them for having “well-behaved kids.”

    Carino Japanese Bistro took $5 off the family’s $54 bill because their one-year-old daughter displayed good manners.

    1. “That saki stuff really works!”

      1. +1 Dojo Ninja Yakatori

  114. A friend just reposted this or whatever it is people do on the facebooks.

    Thinking critically/political consciousness is better than knowing how to fish apparently.

    1. linky no worky

      1. I wonder if Facebook wised up to their hardlinking problem.

        No matter. A different source.

        1. That’s just something.

          I want to go play Colonization now just so I can convert some Natives to fish.

        2. Oh, I see, if they get a liberal arts degree and stuff their cabesas full of neomarxist anticapitalist hogwash they can bitch endlessly, satiating themselves with morally narcissistic self-satisfaction knowing their dying corpses will make excellent fish-food.

          1. Which liberal arts degree teaches critical thinking?

            1. Feminist Theatre Studies would be the bestest

              But really, its all relative.

            2. FWIW I have one myself.

              Its different when you’re not an idiot to begin with.

        3. That is adorable.

          Did they think it’s only smart, hip, chic young liberals thinking critically, coalescing, and standing up for what they believe in? Or have they recognized that “political consciousness” describes lobbyists just as well?

          1. Yes, and No.

          2. Did they think

            Look, they would have but the Kochs stole their universities with their filthy lucre.

            1. Maybe it’s a congenital thing. You’re born thinking you’ll someday rule the cosmos, and your adversaries will rue your birth. I felt that way, once. Not quite in those terms, but I had the temerity to believe nobody had yet been born to address the issues of the day, which, when I came to political consciousness, were mostly how evil Republicans are and how righteous are the Democrats. That hasn’t changed much, and neither, apparently, has the belief that it just requires righteous minds to perfect democracy.

              I can’t really hold it against these naive idiots. They’ll learn, eventually. Or they’ll be life-long progressives, like my ex’s father, who think that impotently railing against the Kochs and somesuch will bring about utopia. In which case I can’t even well up enough spit to expectorate in their direction. It’s just pity I feel for such people.

  115. I couldn’t tune into Independents tonight, or any night. But I do regularly watch Redeye, and I’m curious how drunk Gavin is or was acting tonight.

    1. He was disruptive, offensive, annoying, tasteless, etc.

      About normal.

    1. Of course.

    2. I dont remember the college debate idiots.

      But that article is painful.

      It does something which offends me deeply = uses lots of ‘fancy words’ to pretend something substantive is actually being said.

      It uses the ‘appearance’ of ‘intelligent sounding stuff’ to mask statements that are otherwise either meaningless, or downright absurd.

      e.g.
      “the presence of more Black folks in any space also fundamentally challenges the ground upon which business proceeds. Black students have not only excelled at traditional debate, but they have invented new modes of competitive forensics, including a more performative style of debate that incorporates rap music, poetry and personal anecdotes…this more performative style of debate has productively disrupted the traditionalist forms of debate centered on spouting, at the highest rates of speed, copious amounts of academic literature in order to prove a point*…That resistance to labels, and ambivalence about “the violence labels perform,” are hallmarks of the speech of young thinkers, searching to find their way in the world.”

      (*note the disdain with the idea that ‘reason’ be used to ‘prove’ things)

      This is basically saying, ‘performance and feeling’ should be equally weighted in deciding ‘right and wrong’.

      I’m aware that in competitive debate that sophistry and ‘pathetic appeal’ are in fact given ‘points’; the author here however seems to think they are fine *just by themselves*

      1. That said = she points out, “So did the debate judges”.

        which I guess is fine. It also works in the real world. Johnny Cochrane earned that money!

        However, her over-long article is basically a defense of “dropping with the charade of western logic-based ‘argument'”

        It fails via its own logic-bereft method.

    3. The intrinsic moxie and audacity of this kind of argument exposes the flaws in traditional forms of debate performativity. In part, they demonstrate that an investment in cool, detached, dispassionate forms of speech about political matters of such import could in their own way be considered pathological and imperialist.

      Sigh. They’re just trying to depress us further.

      1. The “look at my black-ass” translation of that statement =

        “You think we’re fighting, and I feel like we’re finally talking!

    1. Subway makes a pizza right?

    2. Flatizza, Pantsfan. You’re tarnishing the brand. Where’s Pro L, he was feeling lawsuit happy recently…

      1. Isn’t he a deep dish man? I don’t think he would defend flat pizzas.

      2. Sorry, there are no legal protections for people who order pizza at Subway.

  116. You know what? I liked Gavin filling in, and I like when he’s on the panel. It’s like a car wreck that you can’t look away from. I’d like to hang out with him, seems like a good time.

    1. I’d love to sit in a bar with Gavin, Welch, Kennedy, Heaton and maybe Thad McCotter, and just spend a few hours talking music and politics and bullshit while getting Crown Royaled out. But I wouldn’t want to air that conversation over the Interwebs. This is where the After Show tends to err on the side of anarchy.

      1. This is why I like Gavin. Based on what he says on TV, I can only imagine what he’d say at the bar.

        1. Based on what he says on TV, I wouldn’t want to spend my precious bar-time involved in fights that Gavin started.

          1. Gavin starts a fight by making some vaguely racial slur. He quickly deflects to Welch, who raises his hands in defense, but palms out, because he genuinely doesn’t know what’s up. But suddenly, Kennedy jumps in all pugilistic, and knocks out the poor slob who simply didn’t want to be insulted on his blackness/latinism/Englishness.

            The three turn back to the bar to drink deeply from the taps.

    2. Gavin is like that promiscuous girl from drama class; always doing weird sexual stuff to get attention.

      1. Anyone remember Ben Affleck’s steroid meltdown on HBO’s Lifestories: Families In Crisis?

        HBO has made some pretty horrible stuff.

    1. I already hate it.

      1. It is a tough order after the Dark Knight trilogy. They nailed the Batman character better than anyone so far, despite the faults.

        I will admit I like how Snyder fucked with the Superman canon by having Clark kill Zod (spoiler alert!) so prepare for the deluge of fanboy tears when the bat and supes meet up.

        1. I will admit I like how Snyder fucked with the Superman canon by having Clark kill Zod (spoiler alert!) so prepare for the deluge of fanboy tears when the bat and supes meet up.

          Huh?

          DC Comics has a long long history. canon has to be used loosly….supoerheroes have done everything.

          Pretty sure Superman and Batman could team up to fight Bigfoot and Merlin and it would be canon.

          1. Superman killing Zod was a big deal to many supes fanboys. I agree that the term “canon” should be used lightly, but that was heretical in terms of the character.

            As far as stories go, I just want them to make Red Son already. Talk about a custom made blockbuster, sheesh.

  117. Keep him.

    LAPD investigating claims Bieber attempted to steal mobile phone from woman at mini golf fun park.

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