SCOTUS Grills Ohio Over Its Speech-Suppressing 'Ministry of Truth'
The U.S. Supreme Court appeared poised on Tuesday to give the green light to a First Amendment lawsuit aimed at overturning a censorious state law.
At issue in Tuesday's oral arguments in Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus was whether the anti-abortion group Susan B. Anthony List (SBA List) may proceed in federal court with a constitutional challenge to an Ohio law that criminalizes "false" political speech. Under the terms of that law, "any person" may file a complaint about "false" speech with the Ohio Elections Commission, thereby triggering official proceedings where the alleged wrongdoer may be forced by the state to produce witnesses and documents. "In other words," remarked Justice Anthony Kennedy during the oral arguments, "you have tens of thousands of private attorney generals" able to haul their political opponents before a state tribunal. Kennedy did not appear to mean that as a compliment.
In 2010, SBA List was subjected to precisely that sort of ordeal. After Democratic Rep. Steve Driehaus complained about the group's attack on his record, a three-member panel of the Ohio Elections Commission, with two Democrats in the majority and one Republican in dissent, determined there was "probable cause" to believe SBA List would be found in violation of the speech law. Meanwhile, the congressional election—where Driehaus was a candidate—came and went. In effect, SBA List had been successfully prevented from speaking out against Driehaus' candidacy.
The question now before the Supreme Court is whether that set of events is sufficient to give the conservative group the requisite "standing" needed to challenge the Ohio law on free speech grounds. Judging by what I observed during Tuesday's oral arguments, a majority of the justices seemed ready to give the Susan B. Anthony List its day in court.
"Don't you think," asked Justice Kennedy to Ohio State Solicitor Eric Murphy, "there's a serious First Amendment concern with a state law that requires you to come before a commission to justify what you are going to say and which gives the commission discovery power to find out who's involved in your association, what research you made, et cetera?"
Justice Antonin Scalia struck a similar note. "You are forcing them to go through this procedure in the midst of an election campaign," he complained to Murphy. Several minutes later, Scalia launched another attack, comparing the Ohio Elections Commission to the notorious "Ministry of Truth" from George Orwell's 1984.
But perhaps the most damaging argument raised against the state came courtesy of Justice Stephen Breyer. "There are things I want to say politically," Breyer began, "and if I say them, there's a serious risk that I will be had up before a commission and could be fined. What's the harm? I can't speak. That's the harm."
That statement captured the entire case against Ohio in a nutshell. Assuming Breyer and his colleagues hold to that view, the Buckeye State will soon be forced to justifiy its actions against the full weight of the First Amendment.
A decision in Susan B. Anthony List v. Driehaus is expected by June.
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May the fat rational dick of truth fuck Ohio pols deep in their corpulent CleveColumboCinciToledo Asses!
Did Two Stickney act in vain?
Golly Cyborg, you use your tongue purtier than a twenty dollar whore.
For a serious man, I'd roll out the silver agave. It's botanical and earthy... I would allow you enough shots to float to Venus and visit her busty nubiles.
A 'musical' tribute to Ohio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYdoZRVYEjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4S0ddDON8I
He is the first thing I think of whenever Cleveland or anything else Ohio is mentioned.
You Know Who Else said that suppression of dissent was okay since they were liars?
John and Abigail Adams?
Jessica Mason Pieklo, Senior Legal Analyst, RH Reality Check?
http://rhrealitycheck.org/arti.....er-matter/
"the fight centers on whether or not some groups can purposefully mislead others in order to deny them access to health care"
I get it: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." "If you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance." "Families will see their insurance premiums reduced by $2500 a year."
All of this, followed by the cancellation of millions of health insurance policies and dramatic increases in costs.
Is that what you meant?
Do these people ever think beyond the immediate moment? Does it occur to Ms. Pieklo that the law in question could easily enough be turned around to silence her side at some point in the future?
Krugman?
Woodrow Wilson? Edith Wilson?
Flip Wilson? Geraldine Jones?
John McCain? Russ Feingold?
Leon Trotsky?
Joe Paterno?
If I remember my standing doctrine correctly, an injury capable of repetition yet evading review is sufficient to give a party standing in federal court to vindicate a constitutional right.
Hillary Clinton?
That was supposed to go with Winston's Q.
Agreed. This would seem to fit within that category of cases where the pending case has been rendered moot but it is also clear that all other such cases would also be rendered moot before they could be fully adjudicated.
So Ohio's idea of free speech is you can say what you like as long as you pay the government enough money every time the government has an excuse to fine you.
Don't sound too free to me.
Ohio fears the Libertarian.
They don't fear the Libertarian as much as they fear Liberty.
But they don't fear the Reaper.
Nor do the wind and the sun and the rain.
Needs more cowbell.
you can be like they are
Pay me my money down
Is it really called the "Ministry of Truth?" Like, officially? Because somebody should've maybe sounded that out first.
Close. They called it "The Ohio Elections Commission"
In CA, they call the outfit that collects sales tax the "Board of Equalization".
So it wouldn't amaze me.
So false political speech is illegal in Ohio? I can name a politician who repeatedly promised "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." When will they go after him?
False speech as defined by the majority of a panel composed of 2 Ds and 1 R.
So that statement is clearly true political speech, by a 2-1 margin.
Yes, sheep fucking comments, in Ohio, have to carefully worded as to imply that it happened but, with the unlikely possibility that it didn't, in Ohio.
It wasn't a sheep, it was a goat. Pay money or go to jail.
You did WHAT with the DUCK?!
Is that legal?
It's not false political speech in general, it's false statements about a particular candidate that's illegal.
"There are things I want to say politically," Breyer began, "and if I say them, there's a serious risk that I will be had up before a commission and could be fined. What's the harm? I can't speak. That's the harm."
Same guy who is plenty OK with hauling people before a commission and having them fined if they speak too much, as measured in dollars.
Nary a sign of cognitive dissonance.
Yes, but don't complain when a lefty sees a little bit of the truth. He could be totally blind to the nature of liberty. Furthermore, he went the right way in the Michigan case banning race consideration in affirmative action case. Let' hear it for Justice Breyer! Let's praise him when he gets it right .... but you DO have a point.
I was raised in Ohio and left the first chance I had. I never returned. I will die before setting foot in that cesspool again.
lol. I live in Ohio now, just a matter of perspective I guess.
I was raised in NJ and left the first chance I had. I never returned. I will die before setting foot in that cesspool again.
I am Devil's Advocate, and as a Michigan fan I wholeheartedly endorse this message.
Since I have a number of family members who still live there (some are even OSU fans), however, I must clarify that not all Ohioans are bad people. Mostly just the cooler-poopers*.
* http://www.urbandictionary.com.....erm=Cooler Pooper
Thanks for screwing up the link and the joke, squirrels.
Cue "you can tell a politician is lying if his mouth is moving" joke.
The constitution should rightly be interpreted to allow for lies in political speech. That means truth in politics has to be self-policing and policed by journalists. Thanks, constitution, I'm sure we'll be just fine!
The answer to bad speech is more and better speech; not a jackboot.
Instead of outlawing bad speech, wouldn't it be much more effective to outlaw bad thought? I mean, a commission of dedicated public servant could examine you, using scientific methods, to ensure that your thoughts are correct. If you don't pass their rigorous, validated tests, you will be rehabilitated, by kindness and public education! Courtesy of the tax payer too!
How the hell did this case make it all the way to SCOTUS just to determine standing? Seems pretty obvious that there's a chilling effect.
Is it a mootness issue since the election has long since passed? That would be a bullshit out, but I know people that have clerked for federal judges, and they said that their judge would buy them a steak dinner if they could find a way to dismiss a case on procedural grounds. Their goal is to not have to reach the merits, no matter how unconstitutional the statute.
Like someone said above, capable of repetition but evading review, like abortion, is one argument against mootness. I am curious to see how the case was plead, but I am too lazy to look it up.
a three-member panel of the Ohio Elections Commission, with two Democrats in the majority and one Republican in dissent, determined there was "probable cause" to believe SBA List would be found in violation of the speech law.
Who would agree to sit on such a panel?
Hitler?
Adam levine?
I think the NYPD is hoping the to get the same law passed in NYC - like yesterday.
http://www.vocativ.com/culture/media/.....n-minutes/
Hope they get sent on a all expenses paid vacation to Riker's Island. The rides come in two flavors - with and w/o salad.
Does anyone seriously think this has a hope in hell of being upheld by SCOTUS?
"In other words," remarked Justice Anthony Kennedy during the oral arguments, "you have tens of thousands of private attorney generals" able to haul their political opponents before a state tribunal.
Does Kennedy not know that the plural of "attorney general" is "attorneys general"?
he probably says "Bill of Ladings" as well.
I think all Ohioans should celebrate the overturning of this law by making completely ridiculous political speech. We should start a twitter handle.
We could say scathing lies like: "Politicians are honest" or "Our politicians are not corrupt"
or how about "our politicians care about us"
Whatever happened to that lie detector test they were going to use on Oblamer and Romney at a debate?
Problem is that this case depends on whether the Fed'l govt may apply the 1st Amendment to the state, and no one should want that.