Obamacare

Obama Administration Promises Obamacare's Open Enrollment Deadline Won't Be Extended—Right Before Extending Obamacare's Open Enrollment

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On March 12, in a hearing before Congress, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was asked whether the Obama administration would extend Obamacare's open enrollment period beyond its scheduled close date of March 31. "No sir," Sebelius responded.

Later that day, a spokesperson for the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, expanded on that point. "We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period," she said. "In fact we don't actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014."

The message was unmistakable: The administration would not, and could not, extend Obamacare's enrollment period.

There's just one catch. Last night, the administration confirmed to The Washington Post that the open enrollment period would be extended for anyone who wants it extended.

The gimmick here is that, technically, open enrollment will still end on March 31, as planned. But the administration now says they will allow for a special extended enrollment period for those people who tried to sign up before March 31 and, for some reason, could not complete the process. People will be able to request this extension until some not-yet-determined date in the middle of April.

And how will the administration determine if someone is eligible for this period? Here's how The Washington Post explains the verification process:

Under the new rules, people will be able to qualify for an extension by checking a blue box on HealthCare.gov to indicate that they tried to enroll before the deadline. This method will rely on an honor system; the government will not try to determine whether the person is telling the truth.

The verification process is that there is no verification process. Absolutely anyone who checks the box will be able to get an extension. It's a de facto extension of open enrollment for anyone who asks for it.

The upshot is that the administration is now doing exactly what they said would not do, and did not have the legal authority to do, simply by describing it in a slightly different way. To put it another way, the administration is using the fiction of a limited special enrollment period as cover for a lie and an illegal action.

This isn't even the first time the administration has done this. On the same day that HHS Secretary Sebelius promised that enrollment would not be extended, she also promised that the individual mandate to purchase insurance would not be delayed. Again, it's not—technically. But the administration expanded and clarified the rules for the law's "hardship exemption" in such a way as to essentially give anyone a pass. There are 14 ways to avoid the mandate, the last of which is a vague catch-all category for unspecified hardships, no documentation required.

The pattern reveals the administration's shallow commitment to keeping its word: When they promise they won't do something, you can bet they won't—but that they very well might do the exact same thing by a different name instead. 

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  1. So… basically they’ve repealed the individual mandate?

    From insurance industry estimates, about one-seventh to one-sixth of drivers do not have auto insurance. Even if you take out the fraction of people who say that they don’t have insurance because they don’t have a working car at the moment, it still leaves a large percentage who say that they don’t have it because it’s too expensive, never mind the penalties.

    1. The mandate is effectively being repealed through nonenforcement. That means the insurance companies are not going to get the legally mandated customers they thought they would.

      Meanwhile, only the sick and the expensive are signing up. That is pretty much the definition of the “death spiral” people warned would happen.

      The whole thing is going to collapse of its own weight. You watch, Congress will delay the employee mandate again for 2015 to avoid people getting huge rate hikes right before the election. Meanwhile, few people are going to be buying through the exchanges which will be in a death spiral anyway.

      And that is the best case scenario. Worst case is the courts actually enforce the law and prevent the feds for giving subsidies in the federally run exchanges. Do that and the entire thing collapses almost overnight.

      It is not a question of if this thing gets repealed and or completely redone, it is just a matter of when.

      1. I don’t know one single young person(let’s call young, under 30), who is without employer provided insurance, who are going to sign up for this. Not a single one.

        The entire purpose of the bill is to get as many people as possible to depend on the government, for something.

        That is it, this is not about healthcare, at all.

        1. I am increasingly of the opinion that the reason why the admin’s Baghdad Bob routine is that the exchanges are harvesting a treasure trove of emails for the Organizing for America machine’s use.

          That part is working spectacularly well and could swing a few elections.

          1. That is clearly what they want. I frankly don’t think Obama gives a shit what happens to the Democratic Party after he leaves office. He knows his brain dead supporters in the media will do anything to cover up for him. He has them by the balls and knows it.

            Obama is an idiot because he seems to honestly believe that he can create Obama for America and somehow amount to shit regardless of the fortunes of the Democratic Party. But that is what he thinks. He figures he will walk away from the Presidency and be able to count his millions while using Obama for America to be the ultimate race hustler and protection racket man.

            I think he is mistaken about that. I think his appeal is going to fall off a cliff once he leaves office. People will feel the need to defend his “legacy” as President because they invested so much of their personal self worth in supporting the black Jesus. But, they will have very little sue for Obama the man once he leaves office. Obama is going to find out the downside of being the head of a cult of personality. Eventually, they don’t need you anymore and just need the myth.

            1. I still think he wants a top gig in the U.N.

              There he will be unrestrained by contentious tea baggers and free to spout his BS, unopposed. The entire world will adore him, in his eyes.

              1. I bet Putin and the Chinese laugh their asses off at the thought of that dolt running the UN.

            2. In 30 years, people will line up to shit on his grave.

              1. The uber-rich like the Obama’s have family plots.
                Why wait 30 years?

        2. I know one. He is pretty stoked that he can work on his website building business out of his apartment without selling out to the man. I asked him why I should have to pay for his health insurance to subsidize his preferred work environment. Crickets.

          1. Well, if he’s successful at that venture, then he can join you and I paying for everyone else. Wonder if he will think it’s so great then, when he has to actually pay for it?

        3. I’m 29 and just got a full time job in the DC area after looking for around 6 months, so I finally have health insurance again. But if I didn’t get this job, there’s no way in hell I was signing up for Obamacare. Why should I, a healthy 29 year old male, pay more for health insurance so a 75 year old can benefit when they should have saved up some serious $$$ during their prime earning period of life? It doesn’t make any fucking sense and I hope that more folks my age and younger come to their damn senses and realize what a sham Obamacare really is.

          1. You are paying more for your health insurance so that older workers in your company can benefit. That’s been the case for employer-provided health insurance for decades.

            1. It obviously wasn’t enough.

          2. A 75 year old would be on Medicare, as would anyone else 65 and older – or, at least, he would be continuing to pay into it just as he had been all his working life. This would be true with or without the passage of Obamacare, which does not benefit those on Medicare. Indeed, the price of supplemental insurance usually purchased privately by Medicare recipients will rise just like everyone else’s insurance.

          3. I’m 57 and self employed and don’t have insurance by choice.
            I have no debt and saved some serious $$$ and credit. There is no way I’d sign up for that garbage. And it’s just like Social Security: Once you’re in you can’t get out.
            I agree with your hopes.

      2. I read somewhere, it may have been here or on the reddit libertarian thread, that Drudge tweeted about having to file Obamacare taxes this year and the administration and it’s PR wing straight up called him a liar.

        Something tells me the individual mandate is only going to be “repealed” for certain people.

        1. That was funny. Drudge tweeted on March 15th that he had just paid his Obama tax.

          The court media immediately took the bait jumped on it thinking he was lying because you don’t have to pay the fine until you file your taxes in 2015. Drudge then pointed out that he filed business taxes and like all small businesses he pays quarterly taxes.

          Stunned silence followed by “well yeah but he doesn’t have to pay the penaltax now so Drudge was still lying”. The Obama journalists really are profoundly ignorant about every single subject except, how to be a hack and tow the party line.

          1. I never thought I’d be thankful to be salaried instead of being able to make overtime, but damn am I glad I’m not contract anymore, those taxes hurt like a motherfucker.

          2. It’s also funny how many people don’t realize that Drudge only creates the name of the link that you click on to get to an actual news site. So, apparently, they only read the links, never click on one to actually see what the real story is.

            Drudge sometimes makes some very misleading link headlines, but anyone curious enough to click on a few, would realize they are on a news aggregate site and not actually a news site.

            1. That is one of my favorite pieces of media idiocy. Drudge will link to infowars or something and the various media morons will act like Drudge himself stands behind the story. They really aren’t too god at fine distinctions.

          3. And the thing is, even though the Administration has said that maybe it won’t be enforced, the IRS is still printing guidelines specifically instructing people to pay it for estimated taxes, since Obama only made an executive order, not a change in the law. Since people would owe penalties if the Administration changed its mind again, the IRS instructs people to follow the law and not trust the waiver promise.

            1. And the Dems and media will claim it’s just “voluntary”.

              1. “it’s just “voluntary”.”

                They said the same thing about the income tax in 1913. Actually, the income tax was the source of the whole medical insurance fuster-cluck. If employers raised their employees’ pay, the Tax Man would take a significant chunk of it. So, employers offered to put employees on a group plan as a form of nontaxable compensation.

                The rest, as they say, is history.

                Write me in in 2016: http://rich_grise.tripod.com/cgi-bin/index.pl
                I’ll fire the whole damn government!

      3. I wonder if the Bozo in Chief will ever clue up that nobody wants his socialized medicine crap!

  2. “We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period,” she said. “In fact we don’t actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014.”

    Both statements are true. They’re working without a plan and without authority.

  3. why is anyone surprised that this administration’s words and actions don’t match? The bigger shock would be if the two meshed.

  4. I pinkie swear ill check the blue box.

  5. they literally cannot give this shit away.

  6. This news doesn’t surprise me at all. Obama gets to make up this shit as he goes along and nobody in Congress has the balls to do anything about it. I wish Obama would just play golf everyday for the rest of his Presidency and spare us all from his power-mongering ways.

    1. He can take all of congress with him on his golf outings.

      Matter o fact, I am willing to pay their salaries and send them all on one big year long vacation.

      Because until they start repealing some of the stupid crap they’ve already passed, we are far better off if they do nothing.

    2. Why would they? Democrats don’t want the hammer of Obamacare to come down on their voters and they’re scrambling to get away from it, and Republicans spent so much time grousing about repealing it, that the media hammers them on hypocrisy when they demand the law be implemented.

      It’s basically Dumb and Dumber running the country.

  7. more people saw Ishtar than have signed up for Obamacare.

  8. people who tried to sign up before March 31 and, for some reason, could not complete the process.

    For some reason

    What could they possibly mean?

  9. New Kaiser poll out today:

    Support for repeal continues to shrink. Only 18 percent want to repeal the law and not replace it, while all of 11 percent want to repeal and replace it with a GOP alternative ? a grand total of 29 percent. Meanwhile, 49 percent want to keep the law and improve it, and another 10 percent want to keep it as is ? a total of 59 percent.

    Among indys, that keep/improve versus repeal/replace spread is 52-31. Republicans are all alone here, with their spread at 31-58.

    That overall keep-versus-repeal spread has improved for the law since February (when it was 56-31), and even more so since December and October, suggesting a clear trend.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..ting-in-2/

    1. Considering that the Dems refuse to countenance changing even a syllable of the law, I don’t see the “keep/improve” number as working in their favor.

      1. Lay off Shreek. At least he managed to properly cut and paste the canned talking points this time. For someone of his low intelligence and obvious mental issues, that is pretty impressive.

        At this point I think the Progs realize no one can really defend this thing. So, why not send in the retard, it is not like a sentient being could do any better?

        1. But you kept saying this would spell DOOM! for the Dems in the midterms!

          I notice you have backed off that claim recently.

          Maybe you can look at evidence objectively after you have your nose rubbed in it repeatedly.

          1. The poll says the majority of the country want it repealled or significantly changed People hate this law and it is not getting anymore popular.

            You are always two days behind the talking points anyway. The talking point today is “Democrats working to find ways to make Obamacare popular”. Even the Democrats admit the thing is a dog, they just claim they can put lip stick on it.

            The Democrats themselves know they are doomed. That is why none of them are running on even mentioning Obamacare. You are so fucking stupid, you don’t even make a proper hack. The proper hacks are least smart enough to claim that Obamacare is going to get popular. No one expect for an epic retard like you is claiming that it is going to help the Democrats.

            And even your hero Nate Silver is admitting the Democrats are unlikely to hold the Senate and have no chance of retaking the House.

            Face it dipshit, Obama fucked you. He is going to leave office and leave all of his brain dead supporters like you out in the cold and out of power.

            1. 29% want it repealed, you liar. About the same number that self identify as Republican.

              1. Obama appears to want it repealed, too.

              2. And Meanwhile, 49 percent want to keep the law and improve it

                And that means they want it changed you fucking idiot. Just go vomit on another forum. You only show up when you need to suck Obama’s cock and screw up any thread that makes him look like the disaster he is.

                Do you have any other interests in life other than sucking Obama’s cock? Anything?

            2. Maybe Mike M is right and shriek is actually Weigel.

              That would make a hell of a lot of sense with all the demcock sucking he does and tarran would still technically be right that its not sentient.

              1. he’s stupid enough to be Weigel, so that fits.

                1. I have not seen an outright denial either….curious. Unless it would turn into a Greenwaldian sock-puppet embarrassment.

      2. But that’s not true. They’ve actually passed a number of laws that change the law and even repeal whole sections like the CLASS Act. They just incredibly oddly continue to count those votes in the “50+ votes to repeal the law,” even as they supported.

        That’s even aside from the areas where the Dems refuse to change the law but implement the changes through executive action.

    2. You’re late to the party, once again.

      Nancy has already explained to us that everyone loves their Obamacare.

    3. Polls mean absolutely nothing you inbred demfag. But please, by all means, keep sucking that dem cock. You know it treats you so good.

    4. Non sequitur

    5. Palin’s Buttplug|3.26.14 @ 11:15AM|#
      “New Kaiser poll out today:”

      Yeah, you slimy turd, we’ve heard your story: Your not bothered so tough for anyone else who got screwed.
      I hope you die a slow painful death, bankrupt.

    6. Keep and improve are in the same category? That’s genius!

    7. “Keep and improve” is repeal, however, according to the terminology of the Administration and everyone else that refers to the House having “50+ number of bills to repeal.”

      The only way you get to that number is to include bills that were passed by the Senate and signed by the President to improve the bill. You also have to include bills that the Senate and President ignored, but that did things that the President has done by executive action anyway. Here’s a list.

      The President has even threaten

      If those bills count as “repealing” Obamacare, then it’s already been repealed, and the President has repealed it himself.

      Only 6 of those votes, one a year, have been to repeal it entirely. The vast majority have been efforts to tweak it.

      1. All that is outside the purview of the poll.

        I follow the polls because it is the only objective way to gauge public reaction to the efficacy of the law.

        1. All that is outside the purview of the poll.

          No shit. That is why the poll doesn’t reflect what is really happening you fucking retard.

          Good God, you are so stupid I honestly wonder if you qualify as a human being or some kind of new and disgusting subspecies of human.

          1. The poll doesn’t reflect your imagination, you idiot.

            1. Lots of Dems in contested seats running on how prescient they were in endorsing Obamacare?

          2. Good God, you are so stupid I honestly wonder if you qualify as a human being or some kind of new and disgusting subspecies of human.

            IT’S NOT SENTIENT, PEOPLE!

            All you are doing by interacting with it is training its neural net to better generate random strings that provoke a response.

            1. That is an insult to neural nets Tarran. There is no way any coder no matter how skilled could produce a creature as shockingly repulsive and stupid as Shreek. Only the swamps of human genetic mutation could produce something like him.

        2. Efficacy of what law? Obamacare as it was originally passed, or Obamacare as it’s being implemented now?

    8. Because most, if not all of the harmful provisions and mandates have been delayed or have had exemptions granted, you halfwit.

      The admin is doing all it can to essentially delay the negative impacts of the law.

      1. And it is still killing the Democrats. If Obama were not shreek level stupid, he would admit failure and sucker the Republicans into agreeing to some bipartisan fix. That would take the issue off the table for the midterms and stick the Republicans with responsibility for anything bad that happens.

        1. Exactly. Imagine if the employer mandate had kicked in. Right now, the ACA is still mostly theory and some enrollment numbers, so the majority of people aren’t paying too much attention to it.

          Yet, none of the promised beenfits (affordable care, deficit reduction, reduced number of uninsured, etc) are even close to being realized, nor will they ever be. The law is still unpopular and will most likely only continue to become more so.

        2. It absolutely boggles my mind how Obama and the Dem congressmembers are unable to develop some change to some provision of Obamacare which could get one, just one, GOP legislator to peel off and support it.

    9. Re: Peter Caca,

      Support for repeal continues to shrink. Only 18 percent want to repeal the law and not replace it, while all of 11 percent want to repeal and replace it with a GOP alternative ? a grand total of 29 percent. Meanwhile, 49 percent want to keep the law and improve it, and another 10 percent want to keep it as is ? a total of 59 percent.

      Maybe the statistics (and syllogism) courses I took in college were from a different planet, but how is wanting to improve something even in the same vicinity as keeping it as it is? Those are completely CONTRADICTORY positions. Not CONTRARY, mind you – just CONTRADICTORY.

      If you want something improved, it means you’re NOT satisfied, not that you’re satisfied. In other words, either the Washington Post is interpreting the results incorrectly, spinning them or downright spreading the bullshit.

      No surprise for me that Caca wants to spread the bullshit as well. Right, Caca?

    10. Meanwhile, 49 percent want to keep the law and improve it

      What does this mean anyway? When you “improve” a law you do away with parts and replace those parts with new parts. Do they mean keeping most of it, but only changing a little part? If you keep half and ditch half and then put new stuff in, is it the same law? Can you say you kept the law but improved it?

  10. It’s all the fault of evul insurance kkkorporations.
    That’s what I was told last night.

  11. New Kaiser poll out today:

    Whoa. If it’s in a poll, I completely renounce all previous objections.

    I love Big Brother.

    1. You know who else revered a Kaiser?

  12. I used to think this administration was straight out of a Monty Python bit. Now I think it’s more Benny Hill.

    1. This really is the soundtrack of the Obama era.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQexB3zIxBI

    2. Benny Hill wasn’t malevolent.

      1. They are more like the Three Stooges, but with more Stooges real sticks instead of slapsticks.

      2. Benny just wanted to get laid really.

        Obama is more like some evil autistic kid who tries to burn the neighborhood down.

      3. Indeed, but I meant more in appearance than in motive. A random walk rendered in British humor. Or humour.

  13. The logical next step is jail for non-compliance.

    1. Patience, they’ll get around to that. They non-compliers can share a cell with the AGW deniers. Progtopia will rein!

  14. Seriously a more fucked up administration than Nixon.

    1. I really cannot understand how they are getting away with this. How is Congress not finally calling them out for doing things they openly admitted to not having the authority to do? How long can the media continue to carry water for them in a bucket full of holes?

      It boggles my mind. This administration is like bubble boy, totally shielded from any real consequences.

      1. Section 1311 gives HHS complete discretion to set the dates for open enrollment.

        1. No it doesn’t you fucking half wit. For it to do that, it would have to say “none of the dates in this law matter if HHS decides as much”. And it does nothing of the sort. Look up the section and try actually reading it next time instead of just cutting and pasting talking points some retard at KOS sent you.

        2. So HHS didn’t know what its own statutory authority was when it said it didn’t have the authority to extend the enrollment deadline?

          1. They were amazingly enough being honest. Go read the act yourself

            http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/P…..ubl148.htm

            Just do a find for 1311 and after a couple of hits the section will come up. It is too long to post on hit and run. But there is nothing in the section, including (c) that spells out the responsibility of the HHS sec, that gives HHS any discretion on open enrollment.

            Shreek is just fucking retarded and pasted a talking point some other retard sent him.

            1. Well, there is this

              Enrollment periods.–The Secretary shall require an
              Exchange to provide for–
              (A) an initial open
              enrollment, as determined by the Secretary (such
              determination to be made not later than July 1, 2012);

              I don’t know how that relates to/is constrained by other dates in the act. But even taking it at face value, it makes it sound like the initial open enrollment period can’t be modified after July 1, 2012.

              1. She already set the enrollment period.

                1. I’m still waiting on PB to swoop in and enlighten us.

                  1. You found it yourself:

                    “as determined by the Secretary” could not be clearer.

                    There was an initial determination and an extension. Challenge it. Some opponent must find the balls to do so eventually.

                    1. Neither could

                      determination to be made not later than July 1, 2012

                      You fucking lying worthless sack of puss.

                      They already set the deadline in 2012. Nothing in the statute gives them the authority to change it now.

                      Look you fucking moron just because you and everyone you know is illiterate and retarded doesn’t mean the people who read this board are.

                      So stop wasting your time shitting on the threads pretending we are as stupid as you are. You think you are serving the hive by fucking up the board. But you are not. Everyone who reads this sees how retarded and dishonest you are. You just embarrass your side. You don’t help it.

                    2. Sorry, I missed the part where it said the Secretary could change her mind indefinitely, even after the explicit date of July 1, 2012.

                      OK, I’m being snarky, but I’m honestly curious. If HHS has the authority to keep changing the deadlines, then fine. It still points to how screwed up the law is, but maybe it isn’t illegal. Problem is, lots of people who have actually read the law, presumably including HHS, seem to be saying otherwise. And my simple reading of the section you referenced says they are right.

      2. because the House is petrified of being called obstructionists or racists or whatever new term has emerged. You act as if the GOP leadership is interested in something more than the November election and its hope of fewer tea folk but retention of their majority.

        The media will carry the water indefinitely, and they will polish the Obama turd long after his reign has ended. They largely get away with it because honest dissent is treated as illegitimate. It’s the same mentality that claims Hobby Lobby is forcing its views on employees.

    2. I’m not old enough to have experienced Nixon’s presidency but from what I’ve read of Nixon’s administration, I thought it would be almost impossible for another administration to be so closed off and power hungry but here we are. I think that Obama is a combination of the worst traits of Carter, Nixon and FDR and he’s definitely the least-qualified person to ever occupy the White House.

      1. John Dean said the Bushpigs were the most corrupt in modern history.

        He should know too.

        1. I mean, yeah they ordered the assassination of two American citizens and used the IRS and FBI to go after their political enemies right? And they also gave billions in loans to their cronies in the green energy industry right?

          Face it you creature. Obama’s legacy is corruption, incompetence, theft and the worst abuses of government power since Wilson. It is his legacy and all of his worshipers like you own it.

          1. And they also gave billions in loans to their cronies in the green energy Defense industry right?

      2. definitely the least-qualified person to ever occupy the White House.

        Did you forget all about Dubya? Say what you will about Obama (and he’s pretty bad) but Boosh takes the cake as worst president post WWII.

  15. We’re in the middle of GWB’s fourth term, but the people who despised BOOOOOOOOSH freak out if you say anything bad about the Campaigner-in-Chief.

    Tell me again, whose opinions are based on racial identity politics?

    1. It makes them feel good about themselves to support the first black President. The fact that that President is a corrupt idiot who is doing things they always claimed to hate is immaterial.

      The American left was just not ready for a black, liberal President. They can’t handle it. They are too guilty, self loathing and race obsessed to treat a liberal black President like a full fledged human being. They can only see him as a symbol.

      1. I think you hit the nail on the head there John.

  16. To put it another way, the administration is using the fiction of a limited special enrollment period as cover for a lie and an illegal action.

    I’m failing to see the upshot here.

  17. There is the seen and there is the unseen in this matter. The seen is the Kloster-Foch process of the implementation and rollout. We dis?uss this daily at length.

    The unseen is the 110 appointive agencies created by Obamacare and “the secretary shall…” clauses that enable Sibelius’s diktats. The new bureaucracy has confected tens of thousands of pages of new regulations with which to control all aspects of health care.

    Why there is no interest in the doings of the new eternal bureaucracies, I do not know.

    1. Because bureaucracies are boring. On purpose. Because people will put up with crazy shit rather than parse mind-numbingly bad bureaucratese.

      1. I would think that a journalist could make the “crazy shit” interesting by pointing out it’s effects on people’s lives.

        But that shows how little I know about journalism.

        1. Journalists did that during the Bush years, but suddenly and inexplicably lost interest in doing that around January 2009.

          1. Journalists did that during the Bush years…

            I’d even challenge that. From what I remember, between the years ’01 and ’06 bush pretty much had free reign. Think of all the malarkey parroted by the press in the run-up to the Iraq and Afghan wars. He did take some shit after it was too late to reverse the negative consequences of his odious policies.

            I take the Balko stance that at it’s heart the press is statist and lazy. I mean, if the press was so progressive and anti-bush, where was the outcry for the bailouts? A republican like bush giving billions in taxpayer dollars to wall street, and no opposition? Seems like a golden opportunity for these progressive crusaders.

            They’re statist to the core and have romantic notions of TOP MEN saving the hoi polloi from themselves. The press sees themselves as the PR firm for the government.

        2. That would require “work” and if there’s one thing that journalists will not abide, it’s “work”.

          Imagine if you got paid more and respected more for parroting the administration’s press releases over parsing tens of thousands of pages of bureaucratic legalese that will only serve to further your ideological opponent’s claims.

  18. Under the new rules, people will be able to qualify for an extension by checking a blue box on HealthCare.gov to indicate that they tried to enroll before the deadline.

    So, no one will be able to qualify for an extension because the blue box will not be functioning on healthcare.gov?

    1. Kathleen Sebelius would like to interview you as the new healthcare.gov web admin.

  19. Palin’s Buttplug|3.26.14 @ 11:35AM|#

    But you kept saying this would spell DOOM! for the Dems in the midterms!

    Well, Nate Silver is predicting it is slightly more likely than not for the Ds to lose the Senate — dunno if that is DOOM!, but it seems like some consequences for the O-care clusterfuck might ensue.

    1. Before Obamacare, they Democrats had their biggest majority since the 70s in the House and 59 votes in the Senate. Now, a year after it will come into effect, they will be in the minority in the House and are likely to lose the Senate too. The best case for them is maintaining a one or two vote majority in the Senate.

      But Obamacare was going to usher in a generation of one party Democratic Rule. Shreek said so!!

      1. The best case for them is maintaining a one or two vote majority in the Senate.

        Silver said it looked like the Ds would lose 6 seats, +/- 5 seats. So, best case remotely probable scenario for Ds is they lose one seat, worst case is they lose 11.

        1. I suspect that the GOP will get a majority in the Senate, but it won’t be a big one, elections working the way they do. But that’s all they need for most purposes, since the Democrats so wisely changed the rules governing Senate votes.

          1. *the Democrats so wisely changed the rules governing Senate votes.*

            They will change them back the day before the current Congress adjourns. Bank on it.

        2. Yeah, but losing one seat is on the very edge of the margin of error. It s statistically possible but very unlikely. The best ‘plausible’ scenario is to retain a one or two vote majority.

          Think of it this way, it is as likely, according to Silver, that the Dems only lose one seat as it is the Republicans pick up 12 seats. If I said the best case scenario for the Republicans was a 12 seat gain, you would probably write me off as a hopeless partisan.

    2. Yes, Silver notes that the GOP advantage lies in the states contested – all the Dems running in red/purple states without Obama on the ticket like in 2008.

      Obama carried Hagan, Pryor, and Begich over the finish line then by a narrow margin.

      WV, MT, are lost already. That is five Senate seats with LA in trouble too.

      1. But Obamacare is so fucking popular, how could this be?

        Do you even read your own posts or do you just mindlessly paste talking points?

        1. Obamacare is polling the same as in 2012 when Obama won along with McCaskill and Donnely in Red states.

          Without Obama on the ticket those two would have lost.

          1. Of course you just mindlessly post talking points. How could you not? You are illiterate and retarded.

    3. But the point I am making is that Obamacare is not demonstrating to be a factor.

      It is more about Senators running for reelection in Red states.

  20. “The upshot is that the administration is now doing exactly what they said would not do, and did not have the legal authority to do, simply by describing it in a slightly different way. To put it another way, the administration is using the fiction of a limited special enrollment period as cover for a lie and an illegal action”

    AND JUST WAIT UNTIL MSNBC HEARS ABOUT THIS AND *POUNCES!*

    1. That “Fourth Estate” is just soooo useful in curbing government excess and abuses of power, isn’t it? Why, the administration must be quaking in its boots right now.

      1. Amazing how quickly they rolled over and went full fascist. I despise them more than anyone. But even I thought they had more self respect than this.

        1. What surprises me is that they are so open about it. They have next to no credibility now, and they’re in for some real shit when a GOP president is in office, likely in 2017.

  21. This distinction between “Repeal” and “keep/fix” that Shreek is fapping about above seems to me to be entirely meaningless in the context of the fact that the Obama administration is not only unwilling to “Keep” said law that they passed, they are unwilling to *even try implementing it* in the first place.

    Lets be clear on that point = “Obamacare” has never in fact been implemented. The employer mandate delay effectively pushed 90% of the real force of the law out into never-never land. With the current rolling series of exceptions and caveats placed on how the individual penalty will(not) be applied, all the law is so far is some very bad, top-down, ‘one size fits all’ regulations on insurance company products which have raised costs and created a series of incentives which will constrain and limit supply of services.

    When they say, “Fix”, guess what that will in fact mean?

    Yep – get rid of the inflexible plan constraints. At least ‘amend’ the portions of the ACA that have already come into reality. The rest will be left to die in the cradle.

    So what’s the difference between “fixing” and “repealing”? Nothing. In either case, all the key features of what made the ACA law in toto are nullified, void, defunct. The survey effectively asks, “Do you want to kill X? or do you want X to die?” – distinction without a difference. There is no question asking to keep the law.

    1. The people saying “lets keep it and fix it” are actually saying “most of it sucks but it makes me feel good to support Obamacare so I just want it fixed”.

    2. “Keep” and “repeal” are binary opposites, you fool.

      1. “keeping the law” and “improving the law” are two different things as well you mendacious asshole. But you still posted a link to a survey that lumped them together.

        Go back under your rock Weigel.

  22. The upshot is that the administration is now doing exactly what they said would not do, and did not have the legal authority to do, simply by describing it in a slightly different way. To put it another way, the administration is using the fiction of a limited special enrollment period as cover for a lie and an illegal action.

    May we please impeach the president now?

  23. The NYT gets down and dirty in their objective fact-pursuit:

    “Under the move planned by the administration, some people will be given a special enrollment period, beyond the deadline, if they can show they were not able to enroll because of an error by the federal exchange or by the Department of Health and Human Services”

    …by ticking a box.

    Yeah, no mention of the latter. Also, vague allusion to ‘individual mandate exceptions’ without explanation of details.

    NYT is effectively staffing for HHS, rewriting their press releases.

    You shall now be subject to an onslaught of NYT comments. Repent and you will be granted a quick death.


  24. Soxared04/07/13
    – Crete, Illinois 2 hours ago
    The President never promised his health care plan would be a perfect and seamless transition from the chaos of the greed profit-driven apparatus which preceded it. This new, imperfect system will work and it will benefit millions of American citizens, those who do well, and those who don’t. Isn’t this one of the markers of genuine leadership? Concern for all, not just the privileged few? Are we, as a nation, so petty and sneering of “the other” that we can’t applaud this President’s consideration for what’s good for the greater good?

    —————-

    CMS
    Tennessee 1 hour ago
    Why all the shrieking about O breaking the law?

    The Treasury Department has the legal authority to delay provisions of the law, as long as the law ultimately is implemented. O is authorizing the Treasury to do so as a matter of course, according to his own executive power. It is downright chilling at how magnificently the propaganda against the ACA has worked, when the delay is entirely legal and precedented.


    ——

    BlueMoose
    Binghamton NY 1 hour ago
    If Mr. Obama were a Republican the right-leaning media, including the NY Times, would be praising his flexibility in implementing a complex, wide-ranging program. Instead most just bleat the propaganda fed them by the GOP.

    1. Those people are almost as stupid as shreek.

    2. The Treasury Department has the legal authority to delay provisions of the law, as long as the law ultimately is implemented.

      “He’ll be here soon enough, we’ll get what we need and before you know it we’ll be back home.”

    3. What kind of drugs do I need to take to get to that level? That’s fucking far out man.

    4. Immediately after saying that Obama may do what he likes, because it’s according to his own executive power, CMS thinks it’s the “propaganda” that is chilling.


  25. Gerty Hofmann
    US 2 hours ago
    Yet more refreshing proof that this president cares about the people and progress first. I am worried though that millions of grassroots right-wingers have purposely signed up only to dump their insurance immediately after all of the extensions. If this happens, the system will fail. Perhaps there is a way to have a more targeted penalty based on voting records? This may be necessary to curtail this type of sabotage

    ——–

    John
    is a trusted commenter Hartford 4 hours ago
    This sounds perfectly fair and reasonable to me. Inevitably of course these sort of minor administrative adjustments which happen all the time with legislative implementations bring out Republicans screaming about constitutional abuses. Why are these Republicans so desperate to prevent people getting access to health insurance.
    —-

    Brian
    Denver, CO 2 hours ago
    The law was created to provide affordable health care to all Americans while insisting that they take personal responsibility for it. The Executive branch is not “manipulating” the law to do anything other than its intended purpose.

    Republicans, on the other hand, have gleefully denied Medicaid coverage to millions of Americns in red states, literally sentencing a significant number of them to death

    1. Yet more refreshing proof that this president cares about the people and progress first. I am worried though that millions of grassroots right-wingers have purposely signed up only to dump their insurance immediately after all of the extensions. If this happens, the system will fail. Perhaps there is a way to have a more targeted penalty based on voting records? This may be necessary to curtail this type of sabotage

      I would bet you $1,000,000 that this guy also thinks the IRS targeting of conservative groups was a fake scandal, even as he advocates for the government to do exactly that.

      But I’m really getting increasingly creeped out by the escalating totalitarianism expressed by US leftists…

      1. You are not the only one. They are not even trying to hide it anymore.

  26. So should I sign up? I keep getting to the first page and I’m afraid to put my real name in. Help! I have an incurable distrust of government!

  27. The pattern reveals the administration’s shallow commitment to keeping its word: When they promise they won’t do something, you can bet they won’t?but that they very well might do the exact same thing by a different name instead.

    Shallow commitment? Sound almost benign. How about the cynical manipulation of self-serving and parasitic thugs? If one wants to predict what these con artists are going to do, just ask “what would a sociopath do?”

    1. I think what is more insulting to the public and to congress is that the administration and HHS had clear foreknowledge that this was a step they planned to take, and yet still chose to misrepresent the case. Why? Purely for super-temporal political optics. Just to avoid having to be caught on camera saying, “yes, we will probably keep doing this stuff”. Which sort of reveals how low their threshold is for *lying*. They will lie for reasons ranging from the microscopically petty to the epic.

      Watching the progs stamp their feet and insist that this is all Absolutely Normal and there is nothing to see here and we have always been at War With Eurasia etc. has become almost amusing.

  28. “the government will not try to determine whether the person is telling the truth”

    … which I suppose is the same as their employer ‘attestation’ gimmick = Obama seems particularly fond of this “I’ll lie to you – then YOU lie to me, and everything will work out in the end!”-method of governance. No one else seems to note that the encouragement of bureaucratic systems where you are expected to *lie* to the government to get your cookie entrenches a view of government that has no concern with the truth or falsehood but rather ‘going along to get along’. Yet at the same time this is the type of bureaucratic government that would have no problem jailing people for ticking the wrong box on some *other* government form.

  29. So many questions surrounding this issue that many either are uninformed or misinformed. It is understandable especially since the deadline to sign up for Obamacare was a hard deadline date of March 31. Or maybe not! A friend of mine told me about this book. It has useful information especially with the upcoming looming deadline. It explains how to find affordable healthcare for the uninsured and shows how to find alternative types of health coverage. The book is called “The Self-Pay Patient” by Sean Parnell. His website can be found at, http://theselfpaypatient.com/, and has a lot of practical, useful information.

  30. they were against the illegal extension before they extended it. So it is not an extension, but a deferred non-deferral. please get your language right.

  31. If only they’d extend their “just check the blue box” “Honor System” to IRS payments…

    Then we could stop this nonsense once and for all by defunding this entire administration!

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