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CPAC's Libertarian Infiltration

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Adam "vs. The Man" Kokesh leaned in, conspiratorially. "I think there's about 2-3 percent hardcore An-Caps here," he said, approximately (I wasn't recording our conversation). "And 20 percent libertarians!" The notion filled us both with some wonder, and not a little bit of pre-emptive dread.

We were at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), the annual inside-the-Beltway convention of grassroots political activists from the hinterlands, national conservative celebrities, and D.C.-based advocacy groups. CPAC has long been the lowest hanging fruit for political journalists looking to write conservative-freakshow articles (or post some fine photo galleries thereof), but over the past few years two overlapping stories have competed for shelf space: The organizers' ongoing tussles over all things gay, and the rising tide of libertarianism within the grassroots faithful. (In a tidy conflation of the two strands, the panel discussion I participated in, "Can Libertarians and Social Conservatives Ever Get Along?", was organized primarily around the potentially civilization-destroying question of having government recognize same-sex marriages.)

The libertarian momentum was on jarring display last year, as an army of "Stand With Rand" kids, with OMFG-I-can't-believe-I'm-here looks on their faces helped propel the Kentucky senator to the top of the conference's straw poll, just days after his epic anti-drone filibuster scrambled political ideologies from coast to coast. But this year those same activists looked…a year older, with considerably less shock value. Assimilated. "That feeling you have," Kokesh told me (again, approximately), when I admitted to—horrors—actually liking one or two elected politicians nowadays, "is what it feels like when you've become part of the Borg."

"Imagine a time when our great country is governed by the Constitution, imagine a time when the White House is once again occupied by a friend of liberty," Paul said during his well-received speech today. "You may think I'm talking about electing Republicans—I'm not, I'm talking about electing lovers of liberty."

As the Washington Examiner's Charlie Spiering pointed out, "That line would have been a slam-dunk for a conference of libertarians, but it drew a loud cheer from the standing-room-only crowd in the room." The National Journal put it this way: "Rand Paul Is the King of CPAC."

Libertarian-leaners inside CPAC haven't quite adjusted to the new reality. "Hey man, can't believe they let people like us in here!" I heard a half-dozen variations of from young libertarians on Thursday and Friday (Kokesh, too, reported having similar conversations).  

Or maybe the kids are just savvy enough not to trust the Borg. After all, it was only 18 months ago that the establishment GOP kicked Tea Party activists and Ron Paul supporters (as well as Rick Santorum's grassroots army of social cons) to the curb at the Republican National Convention, in a display of raw (if procedural) power that no participant will ever soon forget. Sure, Rand Paul and the various campus 4-liberty groups can pack a popularity contest decided by powerless activists, but if you think CPAC supremacy is determinative, then I've got some spare tickets to the inauguration ceremony for President Ron Paul.

Of potentially more import than personality-based politics is the way that the booth action and policy discussion at CPAC have changed. Today on the main stage in front of a packed audience of several hundred I watched a Republican governor from Texas brag about closing prisons while mocking California's woefully over-stuffed corrections facilities. Rick Perry's criminal justice record is by no means angelic, but he is at or near the head of the gubernatorial class when it comes to meaningful reform.)

Groups like Right on Crime now compete for booth space with Families Against Mandatory Minimums, Justice Fellowship, and—shockingly to those of us of a certain age—Conservatives Concerned About the Death Penalty. The libertarian project of criminal justice reform is coming to this country in 2014, and though some important impetus has come from self-identified libertarian Republicans (as a Reason.tv CPAC video on this subject will show later), much of it has also come from social conservatives with hearts open to redemption, and fiscal conservatives shocked at the bottom line. Libertarian projects become viable when non-libertarians (and even anti-libertarians) embrace them.

Demographics, as Students for Liberty President Alexander McCobin pointed out during our panel today, are pushing conservatives in at least a more federalist, if not explicitly libertarian, direction. (For an example of how Republicans are changing their tune on pot and gay marriage, see this Reason.tv video from CPAC.) Younger conservatives do not share my co-panelists' view of heterosexual marriage-sanctity as holding western civilization together by a thread, and as Senior Editor Jacob Sullum has noted repeatedly, the generation gap between younger and older Americans on these issues is staggering. (Consider for a moment that half or more of Republican-leaners under age 45 now support legalizing weed and same-sex marriage.)

Throw in the fact that Millennials are potentially the most politically unaffiliated generation in history, and that Republicans have steadfastly failed to stop bleeding support even under the lousy record of Barack Obama, and you have the pre-conditions for a more libertarian GOP.

Would I bet on that? Not even for a second. But I see no reason not to cheer on the symbolic and occasionally even substantive libertarian tack by Republicans. Now if only we could get more Democrats to play along….

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  1. Nice beaver!

    Adam “vs. The Man” Kokesh leaned in

    As I recall the Man won.

    Would I bet on that? Not even for a second. But I see no reason not to cheer on the symbolic and occasionally even substantive libertarian tack by Republicans. Now if only we could get more Democrats to play along….

    It’s a helluva lot more likely to happen to the GOP than the other Team. How could we possible get Democrats to jettison the anti-captitalist, pro-state bullshit? That’s their raison d’etre: markets don’t work, we need more government.

    1. I wouldn’t be surprised if 10 years from now the GOP is lite-libertarian and the Dems are Progressive Borg, with any pragmatic elements sidelined or actively expelled. Back to the olden times. The Woodrow Wilson times.

      1. 10? I’d think 1. Maybe 3.

      2. SoCons outnumber lite-libertarians 4-1.

        How in the hell are they going away?

        1. Dying off, dipshit.

          Because social movements aren’t fucking dynastic.

          4:1, though? Care to back that up?

  2. Not a new story. Ron Paul won the CPAC straw poll twice. Young Republicans are much more libertarian than the conservative old fogeys.

  3. Nick, you were doing so splendidly well with the “low hanging fruit of the conservative freak show” that appeals to journalists and your fully tonal independent edge!

    Then sadly , you have the pre-conditions for a more libertarian GOP ….. you folded a winning hand.

    It is about Independents!

    1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:18PM|#
      “Nick, you were doing so splendidly well…”

      Hey, Mr Less than 8-1/2%! First, it’s Matt.
      And then, have you read Matt’s comparison between Reagan and your fave lying bastard?
      “Mourning in America”. Yep, good read. That POS is more pathetic than I thought.
      Oh, and I got a number for you: EIGHT. As in 8%!

      1. Brother, sister face meth, incest charges

        Cameron Beck and Charlene Ellet are being held on meth and incest charges in Texas. (Montgomery County Jail)

        Some forms of drugs and sex remain illegal.

        In Texas, a half-brother and sister arrested for meth possession were also slapped with “prohibited sexual conduct” after making out in jail.

        http://blogs.ajc.com/news-to-m…..t-charges/

        Sevo caught!

        1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:27PM|#
          “Brother, sister face meth, incest charges”

          Hey, Mr. Lying Asshole! Have you seen Matt’s take down of your fave lying bastard?
          Or is lying just to much of your schtick to care?

    2. It was Matt, you moron.

      1. They are collectivists on the royalties.

        1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:29PM|#
          “They are collectivists on the royalties.”

          Matt’s got a really good column on your fave slimy bastard, Mr. 8%!

        2. Do you ever get tired of being wrong and making an ass of yourself?

          8 8 8 8 8 8 8 8

    3. Shrike’s right. And if the GOP can get just an 8% advantage of the Independents, they’ll win.

      1. Do I want to know what the 8% thing is about?

        1. “Do I want to know what the 8% thing is about?”
          Dipshit posted a link showing getting O-care repealed isn’t going to be easy. And right there in the copy was a note that 8% of the public actually liked the disaster.
          He obviously hadn’t bothered to read his own link or it was the best one he could find even with that admission.

          1. That’s mildly dumb, but it doesn’t really seem to achieve Shriek’s 50 Worst Hits status or deserve so much repetition.

            1. Zakalwe|3.7.14 @ 7:40PM|#
              “That’s mildly dumb, but it doesn’t really seem to achieve Shriek’s 50 Worst Hits”

              I’m sure we’re open to suggestions; what’s your fave?

          2. that 8% of the public actually liked the disaster

            Liar. The poll said 8% would make NO CHANGES to the ACA at all.

            As I have noted fewer than that would not change the US Constitution.

            1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:41PM|#
              “that 8% of the public actually liked the disaster”
              Liar. The poll said 8% would make NO CHANGES to the ACA at all.”

              Sleazeball, that’s pretty much a match.
              Go fuck your daddy, Mr 8%.

        2. Sophomoric humor.

          I cited a poll that the Peanuts don’t like too much.

          1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:38PM|#
            “Sophomoric humor.”

            Here’s a gun, diphshit. Please shoot yourself in the foot again. It’s very amusing, especially when you claim to be a great shot.

          2. You cited a poll you showed no comprehension of. You cite shit all the time that you clearly have not read and actually supports your opponents position. That’s why we destroy you.

            1. Bullshit, you fuckhole.

              The poll said that on repealing the ACA the numbers were the lowest ever at 31%.

              The idiots here keep claiming the ACA is an “electoral disaster” for the Dems.

              Well why don’t the polls show it, dickhead? They do not in fact show it!

              It is the ape colony here that recites something with no factual basis. Show me a fucking trendline that refutes this then – you idiot!

              1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 8:03PM|#
                “Bullshit, you fuckhole.”

                8%, dipshit. Just keep repeating 8%.
                Oh, and go fuck your daddy.

              2. The poll said that on repealing the ACA the numbers were the lowest ever at 31%.

                That that is the lowest number of people ever who wanted full blown repeal of that monstrosity tells me how unpopular it is.

                I don’t think you could find many laws that 3 out of 10 American voters would agree should be repealed.

                1. The number 31% is shrinking.

                  The whole argument consists of the direction of the ACA.

                  The idiots like John and Episifuckhole keep saying that it is a disaster when the numbers show otherwise.

                  1. The number 31% is shrinking.

                    Baseless assertion.

                    The idiots like John and Episifuckhole keep saying that it is a disaster when the numbers show otherwise. exactly that.

                    “The numbers”. What a stupid asshole you are shriek.

          3. Sophomoric humor.

            said the guy named Palin’s Buttplug.

            1. “Palin’s Buttplug” is freshman humor! A sophomore would have been more specific.

              1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 8:19PM|#
                “”Palin’s Buttplug” is freshman humor! A sophomore would have been more specific.”

                Have you read Matt’s column on the lying bastard yet?
                It’s good.

  4. “Throw in the fact that Millennials are potentially the most politically unaffiliated generation in history,”

    Matt, you keep running that up the flagpole and I don’t see anyone saluting.

    1. Yeah, “Millennials” (still not sure who the term encompasses) are probably closer to that guy who burned his comic books rather than honor an evil capitalist contract than libertarian.

      1. Epi would never burn his comic “books”.

        1. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 7:33PM|#
          “Epi would never burn his comic “books”.”

          8%! Check Matt’s column “Mourning in America”. Good read about a slimy liar!

      2. Generational collectivism is fucking stupid, dude. But I expect nothing less from a beaner.

        1. Not collectivism, just an observation. The people my age that tend to be politically active skew towards the left and embrace all that white, male privilege crap you learn in gender and race studies class.

          I guess others are apolitical though, which is always hard to change but easier to do if you appeal to envy and resentment like the left does.

          Simply put, I’m not as optimistic about a large shift among young people towards libertarianism even if there’s been some increases in grassroots organizations by young conservatives and libertarians.

          1. The people my age that tend to be politically active skew towards the left

            Isn’t this always the case?

            1. “Isn’t this always the case?”

              Was YAF an anomaly?

          2. Young people tend to be pretty retarded. I don’t care if you look at young people from 100 years ago, or young people from today. I was retarded when I was that young. You’re certainly retarded. The Bieb is definitely retarded. When it comes to the young, it’s retards all the way down.

            How’s that for collectively guilting?

            1. So does that mean Tulpuppet is just a kiddo and we should be merciful judges of him?

            2. Nuh uh. My generation invented sex!

              1. also we’re really smart about stuff and whatever.

        2. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

      3. Every so often, I get a tinge of optimism that maybe my generation is coming around to the concept of simple “leaveeveryonethefuckaloneism”, then I read a facebook post, or talk to a friend, or simply walk around.

        And I have to choke back some delusional crying/laughing fit that I’m overcome by.

        1. “leaveeveryonethefuckaloneism”

          Is there much of a movement out there to drop out, move out, get a job and not wanting Social Security or “free” healthcare?

          1. Some. I’m the vanguard of the millenial generation (born 1982, so essentially the first class for those who view the generation’s start as those who turned 18 in the year 2000). Plus, my siblings were 4 and 5 years older than I, so I’m raised with some considerable Gen X influence, as are many of my closer friends. But I’ve seen that a few of them as they’ve aged have moved rapidly towards a leaveeveryonethefuckaloneism, with some adoptin a full throated libertarian mindset.

            The kids of my generation, I can’t tell you about. My interactions with them are primarily restricted to the sexual variety, and of course I avoid certain subjects when doing so I don’t end up shooting myself in the foot instead (pun intended)

            1. Just to clarify, when I said kids of my generation, I didn’t mean the offspring of my peers but rather the current crop of 18-24 year olds.

              I feel I need to clarify for fear of having my playa moment.

              1. As a rehabilitated former liberal, I have to agree. My college had demonstrations in the streets when Obummer was elected in 2008. John stewart is the most effective propaganda machine I’ve ever witnessed, and didn’t realize it until I gained economic literacy. And the teenagers love that guy.

    2. More young people voted for Coochi than they did for McCauliffe. And that doesn’t even take Sarvis into account.

  5. You looked sharp today, Matt. 1950s FBI looks good on you. I was frustrated because the guy from Hillsdale just doesn’t get it. And he didn’t answer your question about how gay marriage viloates HIS rights.

    1. Thanks. Though I thought I looked terrible, due to unfortunate posture decisions.

  6. Right. In the age of Obamacare, NSA snoops, the Supremes further eroding liberty ebbyday, increasingly militarized pigs, seizure laws – we’re on the cusp of a libertardian rEVOLution! Cause a couple states with pot un-laws and…the gaiz!

    Rand Paul is a SHOE IN for Prez in 2016! There’s been a veritable Declaration of Independents? in the USofA!

    Hopefully you can pardon me for not going all in on this…

    1. Pretty much my sentiments exactly.

    2. Also smoking bans, plastic bag bans, plastic water bottle bans, e-cig bans, public accommodation laws, minimum wage increases, Universal Pre-K and “free university” and an out of control federal budget the libertarian moment is here!

      1. *means* that the libertarian moment is here!

      2. I like that phrase. “Libertarian moment.” Not a year, not an age, not even an hour or second. Just a “moment.” It’ll pass shortly.

        1. Don’t forget the whole “they write articles attacking us so that means we are winning!” attitude. Yeah I suppose that means that German Jews were “winning” in 1930s Germany right? Well I suppose they “won” in the end but I’m not sure that is the kind of victory American libertarians are awaiting.

          1. Really? Straight to Godwin?

            1. Strictly speaking, that is not a “Reductio ad Hitlerum”.

          2. Are you comparing libertarians today to Holocaust Jews?

            OK, I can see that.

            1. We do kinda control the world.

          3. Sure, bad things happened, but they ended up getting their own country out of the deal. How else do you propose we create libertopia? Under the water or something?

    3. Oh stop it. We’re much freer than 40 years ago. Gun laws are getting better and better and the couple states with MJ legalization are the tip of the coming tidal wave and that IS in itself a huge win for liberty.

      Regarding NSA snooping: the FBI has really done worse in the past, like when they infiltrated anti-war groups and pushed them to violence.

      1. We’re freer in so many ways, it’s hard to list them. Heck, there isn’t even an Iron Curtain any more!

  7. Wouldn’t GOProud be better represented by a bear than a beaver?

    1. And the tripod three sausages supporting a porcine crony capitalist.

  8. This article/post cheers me up considerably. A few hours earlier today, some like-minded coworkers and I had been lamenting the sad state of political affairs in our blue midwestern state, and wondering if the Liberals/statists will ever lose an election here again.
    Tomorrow I am going to my GOP BPOU convention (BPOU=Basic Political Operating Unit, as in state-level senate district) to serve as secretarty and hopefully to get elected delegate to the state GOP convention.
    I’ve been a Republican since high school days, but in the past few years, I have finally noticed that in most areas, I am more of a libertarian. For now at least, I plan to stay active in the local GOP, trying to get liberty-minded candidates nominated for Gov and US Senate, and change the party from within.
    Thanks, Reason community (writers and commenters), for helping me understand what libertarians are really about!

    1. Thanks, Reason community (writers and commenters), for helping me understand what libertarians are really about!

      I mean, who doesn’t like titties and beer?

      1. Personally, I prefer looking at my hubby’s ass to looking at titties, but even as a woman i can appreciate other women’s titties in art and the like.

        And yeah, *good* beer pretty much rules.

        1. Hey wait a second. I’ve repeatedly been assured that there ARE NO libertarian women…

          Are you trying to pull a fast one on us Hayekplosives?

          1. And seriously, like a woman could ever come up with a witty wordplay like Hayeksplosives…

            #thisiswhytherearenofemalelibertarians

            1. Hayek himself routinely used the term “High explosives” to explain the correct pronunciation of his name. Hayek’s writings are the biggest influence in pushing me to libertarianism. He really solidified for me the fact that “Economics” are indivisible from personal freedom, since the economy is just the way we humans interact with each other. I read his early work first, and his later work later, so I feel like my thoughts have evolved with his. He was a pragmatic philosopher, if that can exist.

              I’m an engineer, so I love his Nobel Prize speech on “scientism” too.

              1. Female – check
                Hayek fan – check
                Engineer – check

                Jesus Christ. Half of the guys on this thread probably just came in their pants.

                1. Um, I didn’t read CISfemale. Likes beer. Awfully suspicious.

              2. I’m an engineer, so I love his Nobel Prize speech on “scientism” too.

                I’m not sure I understand the connection. Wasn’t Hayek’s point that “every important advance in economic theory during the last hundred years was a further step in the consistent application of subjectivism,” meaning that he believed that it was improper to apply the methodology of the hard sciences to something like economics, which studies individual human beings (albeit, often in aggregate)? Meaning that the mathematical models that classical economists are so fond of do not and can not take into account the “predictably irrational” (as per Dan Ariely) psychology of human beings (not to mention the issues that arise from the fact that the observer is trying to observe a phenomenon he or she is inherently apart of).

                It would seem to me that the stereotypical engineer would not be comfortable with all that messy psychology human mind stuff and be attracted to a more technocratic view of society, as the odious Scott Adams advocates.

                See, what I’m really trying to say is that Dilbert sucks rancid monkey balls. The same fucking joke for 20 years.

                1. Take that back, university boy.

                2. BLUF: Yes, you’re right about Dilbert.

                  And I *think* we’re in agreement about Hayek’s Nobel speech. His point was precisely that economics and social sciences shouldn’t be regarded as real science the way physics and chemistry are sciences, and that there was a certain irony in his receiving the Prize at all. He labeled the wrong-headed adoption of some hard science methods for misapplication to social sciences as “Scientism”–kinda looks like science, nice and tidy, but leads down the wrong path and deceives many.

                  Hayek was really good at being very civil and persuasive while saying essentially, “There’s no way for any one person or committee to collect or process enough information to plan and direct an economy or other aspect of human societal behavior. So quit trying or you’ll inevitably create a system in which only the worst tyrants will rise.”

                  1. There is no Nobel Prize in Economics. There’s a good reason for that.

                    1. “Because if it were really a Nobel Prize, someone would have already picked it up.”

                    2. “Economists are good at telling you what happened but terrible at telling you what will happen”.

        2. As a woman, you should probably never read any comments I author again, lest you be frightened away from libertarianism (eventhough what I write is mostly snark and my continual work on refining my as-of-yet-unattempted career in standup comedy).

          1. It’s all good, I am a fan of actor Stephen Fry’s comment:

            “It’s now very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights. It’s actually nothing more… than a whine. ‘I find that offensive.’ It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’ Well, so fucking what.”

        3. secretarty

          I don’t think there’s anything secret about it!

          1. Secretarty was a typing accident, but it is SO freaking fitting as a job description for some chicks that I think i will have to use it conversationally from now on.

        4. I’m on a diet. Hard liquor only.

    2. If you were a bona fide Reason brand COSMOTARIAN though, you would prefer fake titties placed on post-op CrossFit trannies and fou-fou cocktails.

      /snark

    3. I also escaped the GOP Plantation.

      Freedom!

      1. Do you even reading comprehension?

          1. “LOL”

            Cytotoxic could not even jack out a coherent sentence.

            Now it is obvious you are pandering to misfits.

            1. I just thought it was a funny grammatical error. If I’d have known you were gonna glom onto it, I’d never have said it.

              1. It was a meme.

                1. You’d think that shriek would have recognized it. His brain is sort of a Petri dish for memes, and his mouth a sort of meme-ejection port.

        1. “Do you even reading comprehension?”

          Dipshit’s claim to fame is an ignorance so abysmal that he’s immune to shame.

    4. This guy is doing what libertarians should be doing in general: infiltrating and taking over the GOP. It’s ours. The GOP is our bitch.

  9. Now if only we could get more Democrats to play along….

    Still looking for that Great Liberaltarian Hope.

    1. There are exactly three people in the world who don’t use that as a punchline.

  10. Yea, so I’ve the article and the aboves. Um, Libertarians? Hmmm…. We need rules, fuckers. Jesus wants this. Hmmm… We need police… Hmmm… We need religious freedom and laws that protect life. We need cities that can cut down on crime by not granting permits to strippers. Fuck, our church has been praying about the criminals in the bars so let’s figure out ways to impinge on drinking… Religious freedom. Churches are the only way for families to thrive above the progressive horrors… and Libertarians are progressives with kinky Libertine leanings who can’t TOLERATE us jesus boobs… never goody, Lord.

    Ok so…. if Libertarians are hugged by this bitchy enclave of braindead called CPAC you can bet CPAC is on pills for the week. After that?… well, Boehner.

    1. I’ll have what ^^he’s^^ having.

      1. He is talking about conservative white trash that votes anti-freedom GOP by rote memory.

        Like you, for instance.

        1. I haven’t voted for a GOP candidate in over a decade, fuckface.

          And I’m not conservative white trash. I’m libertarian white trash. There’s a big, fucking difference.

          1. OK, I believe you then.

            My mistake. No snark here. I want an LP third party (no GOP).

            1. “No snark here. I want an LP third party (no GOP).”

              Right, with O-care.
              Fuck off.

        2. Palin’s Buttplug|3.7.14 @ 8:15PM|#
          “He is talking about conservative white trash that votes anti-freedom GOP by rote memory.”

          Unlike lefty garbage like you that vote anti-freedom Dem by rote.
          Got it.

  11. Considering CPAC was cofounded by YAF I’d imagine an-caps and libertarians have been present every year

    1. YAF was founded by Buckley I believe. Pretty sure AnCaps were not in abundance and libertarians split off in the ’80s or so.

  12. How is this possible? I thought Canada has no guns?

    http://www.torontosun.com/2014…..es-2-women

  13. Here’s what I perceive as a major stumbling block for libertarian movements.

    Perhaps the most influential thing local political parties can do is get the “best” candidates nominated so they show up on the ballot and can get elected. But such tiny numbers of people actually show up to party caucuses in Feb-March, that the ones who do are by definition some kind of fanatics (or masochists).

    In 2008, the Ron Paul crowd made a huge, organized appearance and took over the state GOP in large numbers. Many were great activists and wonderful allies, and us “veteran” GOPers were greatly influenced by them in a positive way. But, and it’s a big but, what the heck is with the self-identified libertarians/Ron Paul fans who are 9/11 Truthers and Obama Birthers and HAARPers?? They are passionate and involved, but BOY do they make the liberty movement look bad. And in my state, they orchestrated the nomination of a terrible candidate for US Senate a couple of years ago. And then they disappeared from the scene.

    It seems to me that Rand Paul, unlike his father, is attractive to current or ex-republicans because he loves America, whereas Ron comes across as a Blame America First (and You Kids Get Off My Lawn) guy.

    I guess what i’m saying is, Reasonable people, please get active in your local BPOUs and displace the whackjobs! Yeah, committees are boring, but the work must be done!!

    1. It’s because of the whackjobs that I only bothered to go to one Paulian meetup.

      Jesus Christ we couldn’t even get through a basic orientating of the new folks (including me)without this shaggy-haired burnout launching into his pet 9/11 theory and he just wouldn’t fucking shut up. When he was finally shouted at some tiny bitch, who reminded me of Ms. Sweety from the Timmy the Tooth videos, got all angry that he was being censored. And she wouldn’t shut up either.

      And there were a couple of birthers as well that made the meeting a total drag. They couldn’t let an issue pass without bringing it up. All these freaks had to get in a comment every fucking time.

      Now a friend wants me to jump back into that cesspit. I’ll do it for money, but I ain’t going to volunteer for that shit.

      1. That’s it in a nutshell, and it’s why persuading the GOP to change is going to be more effective than jumping ship to a new party (IMHO).

        I am hoping that the small but loud group of Birther/Truther/HAARPer/ Ron Paulers will perceive Rand Paul as having sold out, and will be so disillusioned that they give up and let the more, shall we say, politically savvy *Rand* Paul crowd do its thing.

        1. Agreed. Those folks were of questionable utility when the RP Revolution was starting and now they are absolutely a drag. Rand is better off if he intentionally pisses them off and disillusions them.

    2. “Our FedGov is a nasty piece of work when it comes to foreign relations” became interpreted as “Blame America First” by the Hannitized morons. I really have no desire to fraternize with them again.

      1. No it didn’t. Ron Paul has made it clear through his joke of an institute that the harshest interpretations of his FP views were correct.

        1. Cytotoxic has been Hannitized!

  14. Here’s what I perceive as a major stumbling block for libertarian movements.

    Perhaps the most influential thing local political parties can do is get the “best” candidates nominated so they show up on the ballot and can get elected. But such tiny numbers of people actually show up to party caucuses in Feb-March, that the ones who do are by definition some kind of fanatics (or masochists).

    In 2008, the Ron Paul crowd made a huge, organized appearance and took over the state GOP in large numbers. Many were great activists and wonderful allies, and us “veteran” GOPers were greatly influenced by them in a positive way. But, and it’s a big but, what the heck is with the self-identified libertarians/Ron Paul fans who are 9/11 Truthers and Obama Birthers and HAARPers?? They are passionate and involved, but BOY do they make the liberty movement look bad. And in my state, they orchestrated the nomination of a terrible candidate for US Senate a couple of years ago. And then they disappeared from the scene.

    It seems to me that Rand Paul, unlike his father, is attractive to current or ex-republicans because he loves America, whereas Ron comes across as a Blame America First (and You Kids Get Off My Lawn) guy.

    I guess what i’m saying is, Reasonable people, please get active in your local BPOUs and displace the whackjobs! Yeah, committees are boring, but the work must be done!!

    1. Ah,crap. And now I am guilty of the infamous multiple posting. Must be a glitch in the matrix.

      Sorry, y’all.

      1. The NSA cut the hard line.

    2. “I guess what i’m saying is, Reasonable people, please get active in your local BPOUs and displace the whackjobs! Yeah, committees are boring, but the work must be done!!”

      There are people to whom the practice of politics is attractive or at least tolerable. Some of those people favor libertarian view points. Both Pauls do and we (mostly) appreciate that.
      Then there are libertarians who despise politics in general as it always seems involved in getting people to do what they would rather not; most of us.
      So there’s a or the problem.
      (And yes, most of us cringe at quite a few of the sr. Paul’s supporters; at least we feel shame, unlike Obama and his preacher.)

      1. This relates to a question my coworker asked today: “Why do the liberals organize and campaign so much better than we do?” to which I replied something along the lines that the liberals/statists are by definition more ready and willing to be centrally controlled and conform to prescribed groupthink than are we conservatives & (especially) libertarians. They are ready and willing to accept the central direction and carry it out.

        So a motley crew of libertarians and conservatives, being oriented to individual freedom and responsibility, by nature do not want to be involved in government and politics. We only do it to win the future freedom NOT to worry about govt coercion. Statists feel like they are carrying out some moral mission every time they attend a political rally or the government “Does Something” so they are passionate about it in a positive way, while we do it out of great reluctance.

        1. Which is why the hard core Gadsden flag waving anarchist POV appeals to me: Leave me alone and I won’t have to kill you.

        2. It’s hard to organize people whose goal in life is to mind their own business.

  15. As much as I want to see Rand get the GOP nomination, it’s not going to happen in 2016. The GOP still have not learned their lesson, it’s going to have to be one of those got ran over by a train 3 times and now I’ve learned to stop sleeping on the tracks thing.

    Part of the problem is that when the GOP wins big in 2014, mostly because of the Obamacare disaster, instead of seeing it as a movement towards smaller government and more self determination, the stupid party will once again take it as a sign that everyone wants MORE of the establishment GOP version of big intrusive government.

    I think that Rand has a very good chance in 2020 or 2024 after the back to back disasters of the Obama/Hildebeast years.

    1. Oh, and this is my first post here, from Brazil.

      Sitting on my veranda, drinking Devassa, 77 farenheit 88% humidity. I know a lot of people don’t like that sort of climate, but I am soaking it in, I love it. Mais cerveja!

      1. Sitting in my basement, drinking Daisy Cutter, finally somewhere barely above freezing outside. I know a lot of people don’t like that sort of climate, because it fucking sucks, but I am almost tolerating it.

        1. This winter has been real crap in the US. I work in Baltimore and I am damn sick of cold and snow already. I hope it’s warmer when I get back there. But I am sure that anyone living in the US upper midwest and even Canada, like a lot of our H&R folks do, are going to call me a wuss now, (:

          And I call BS on that because I survived 16 years of brutal winters in the US upper midwest. It’s not that I can’t endure it, it’s that I don’t like it. I’ll take hot and humid any day.

        2. Daisy Cutter? Is that something you use to clean a bb gun?

      2. As a Houstonian, 77 degrees and 88% humidity is just about perfect weather.

  16. I have to hand it to Rand: he’s really reaching out to the ‘tards. Votes are votes, when it comes down to it.

    1. If by that, you mean that’s he’s often pandering to keep the SoCon vote, then I agree.

      He’s much more stealthy of a politician than his father. But in IMHO, he’s just as much of a libertarian as his father. Rand just understands that libertarians have to get elected before they can make a difference.

      And that is coming from someone who has openly criticized him for his pandering, right here, more than on one occasion.

      That being said, will I vote for him if he gets the GOP nomination. Absolutely.

      1. Ultimately, I second that. And, the biggest difference between him and Ron is that he doesn’t sound like someone’s nutty grandfather.

        Oh, if you’re in Rio, should you meet a nice lady, check for an adam’s apple.

        1. Haha. I’m not in Rio, I’m in Recife.

          No worries about meeting ladies nice or not, my Brazilian wife has sharp claws capable of hair and eye removal, lol.

        2. Transphobe!

          1. Ha ha ha ha. If you knew who you just said that to.

  17. “I’m talking about electing lovers of liberty.”

    Then what the hell is he doing at a conference of conservatives?

  18. Thanks for the article. Libertarian fans are evenly distributed among all parties/independents in the USA.

    For more on the 8 million participant world Libertarian movement, see http://www.libertarianinternational.org the non-partisan Libertarian International Organization.

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