Tonight on The Independents: The GOP's Welfare Conflict, Locker-Room Libertarianism, Deporting Bieber, Documenting Detroit, Duck Selfies, Bad Beards, and Even More Penn Jillette!

Tonight's live episode of Fox Business Network's The Independents (9 pm ET, 6 pm PT, repeats at midnight) will feature a sobering reminder: Never miss the online-only "Independents After Hours" (which streams at the website just after 10 pm, including tonight). Why? Because you miss some seriously free-wheeling, structureless conversations with the various beautiful freaks who populate the show. Like Monday's conversation with Penn Jillette, a solid chunk of which has been edited down for consumption tonight.

Did you want to see a little P.J. from the actual telecast? Well here you are:

Also on the program: Party Panelists Buck Sexton from The Blaze and Andrew Kirell from Mediaite will be on to discuss the divergent GOP approaches to welfare politics, President Barack Obama's mixed foreign policy messages in last night's State of the Union address, what Justin Bieber's many troubles tell us about immigration policy, and New Jersey's butt-hurtedness about not getting enough revenue from the Super Bowl.

Intense journalist Charlie LeDuff will be on to talk about his book Detroit: An American Autopsy, recently retired NFL cornerback Chris Carr will discuss what it's like to be a libertarian-leaning independent in a professional locker room, and Independents heartthrob Kmele Foster will tell us the latest news about Bitcoin (you may even see a snippet from our recent Reason.tv video on same). Also eligible for discussion: The farm bill, Jay Carney's beard, Duck Dynasty's SOTU-selfies, Vin Diesel's dance moves, and more. And REMEMBER: Make sure to watch the after-show, and send your tweets out to @IndependentsFBN.

Comments

[Banjos]

Fist!

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

Ovechkin!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Banjos.

[Smilin' Joe Fission]

It's nice to actually see some Nuclear PR for a change.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Why do you want to irradiate teh chilrenz, Joe?

[Bobarian]

Cuts down on the lighting bill?

[playa manhattan]

Fun Fact: I still have a Stone & Webster coffee mug in my cupboard.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

The Fonz in mine.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Related: Marine chemist crowd-sourcing project to measure radioactivity in the Pacific after Fukushima

Ken Buesseler is enlisting the public in his cause. Through the Center for Marine and Environmental Radioactivity, Buesseler is crowd-funding an effort to take regular measurements of ocean radiation up and down the West Coast.

The way it works is this: When you sign up, he will send you a sampling kit that will record all of the vital information; you send it back to him for analysis and compilation. It's not cheap -- each sample costs $550 to $600, including materials, shipping and analysis -- but groups can go in together to help defray the costs.

Already there have been signups from Scripps Pier in San Diego to Sequim Bay in Washington. Ideally, Buesseler says, each location will be sampled as often as every other month, giving a long-term picture of exactly how radiation moves through the ocean's currents.

Buesseler was among the first scientists to visit the ocean off Fukushima after the failure of the Daiichi nuclear reactor after the devastating earthquake and tsunami March 11, 2011.

He insists that while the situation continues to be serious in the immediate vicinity of the reactor, fears of ocean-borne radiation on the West Coast of the United States are severely overblown

[NotAnotherSkippy]

Will he give out radiation kits to people who want to monitor the radioactivity of their local produce section? Oh wait, that's "natural" and "good" radiation.

[Sy]

...what?

[Ted S.]

I presume he's talking about the radiation in bananas or something.

That having been said, I remember being on another forum not long after the Fukushima incident and seeing somebody in Helsinki, Finland asking where they could buy a Geiger counter to test the food in the local supermarket. Yeah, the green propaganda has worked that well. 🙁

[GILMORE]

That would be, 'Helsinki, Sweden'

(wink, wink)

[Jose Chung]

Die Hard 🙂

[Wasteland Wanderer]

I wonder how badly the Columbia River is going to screw that up, or if they'll even bother to take it into account...

[NotAnotherSkippy]

I like nuclear power from a technical perspective, but I've got problems with it from a gov't subsidy perspective.

Then again, maybe the subsidies are fair compensation for the stupid regulations and bait and switch game the gov't played with the waste repository.

[Corning]

I love how it is being sold like a monster truck rally.

[Slammer]

So my wife finally bought me the Advanced Squad Leader war game. I don't even know where to start. And I thought the ACA legislation was complicated. Jeez christ.

[Derpetologist]

ATF bonehead confiscates airsoft guns; says they can be converted into real ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8-ePGqBmM

I'd need to be a Hindu god to face palm sufficiently.

[playa manhattan]

I would pay for a kickstarted to watch him try. I'm SUUURE it could withstand the pressures of a .223.

[Lady Bertrum]

Sunday night's episode of True Detective included a heavily tattooed serial killer wearing only whitey tighties and a gas mask prowling through the swamps of Louisiana. So, Welch, how do you find the time?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

And this week it was naked Michelle Monaghan.

[Bam!]

What show is this and what channel is on and is available on demand?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

'True Detective' is an anthology show in the style of 'American Horror Story'--each season is intended to be a separate, self-contained story with a new cast.

This season stars Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey as two Louisiana state detectives investigating a serial killer in 1994. It's on HBO and you can stream from HBO GO if you are subscriber.

I definitely recommend it, great acting and storytelling.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

It has a disturbing cadence that's for sure.

[Raymond Luxury Yach-t]

"Of course I'm dangerous. I'm police. I can do terrible things to people with impunity."

[Corning]

And that isn't even the best line of the show let alone that episode.

[Lady Bertrum]

HBO. Sunday at 9pm

[Lady Bertrum]

We get it, Serious Man. You're a breast man. Perhaps Matt or Kmele will show us a little skin tonight?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

That's why you should watch the after-show streaming! It isn't called "The Independents After Hours" for nothing.

[Corning]

umm have you seen Michelle Monaghan naked?

It is not just her breasts...it is everything.

[Corning]

Oh wait i am thinking of someone else.

Alexandra Daddario

[Francisco d Anconia]

I assumed that was Warty.

[Lady Bertrum]

Couldn't be Warty. No sheer yoga pants. But, perhaps, that's his formal attire.

[Francisco d Anconia]

INDEPENDENTS ASSEMBLE!

[playa manhattan]

I'm sending you a quick email tonight. Can you check when you get a chance?

[Francisco d Anconia]

sure.

[playa manhattan]

Sent.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Got it. I'll get back to you in a day or so. I'll need to do some research.

[playa manhattan]

Thanks.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3IIeNorhVU

[Rufus J. Firefly]

You beckoned?

[SweatingGin]

Ahh!! Cavuto!!!

[Calidissident]

I'm posting this in this thread, because this comment was so absurd that I had to respond to it, but didn't see it until just a few minutes ago.

Yesterday in the PM links, Bo posted an article about Creationism being taught in public schools. This prompted a discussion that I made a few comments in. If you want to read the whole thing, it's in this link, and starts at Bo's post at 4:44.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/01.....a#comments

Anyways, at one point (late last night, so I didn't see it till I decided to check the thread a little while ago), Marshall Gill responded to one of my posts with this.

"Science, you are a scumbag. I probably don't disagree a bit with you about what should be taught. You are simply a sick totalitarian fuck believing that your beliefs hold more importance because of scientific consensus.

Liberty, you turd, includes the Liberty to be stupid religious morons. Only the most evil human beings would deny people their freedom of conscience. Stalin and Mao come to mind."

[Calidissident]

This was in response to this post of mine:

"I agree with that, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't care at all about how public schools are run or what is taught in them. If the government is going to steal taxpayer money for schools, then I would prefer they do not use the schools to indoctrinate kids into a particular religion, or feed them the leftist bullshit you describe. One can oppose both forms of indoctrination."

(For reference, in the first line, I was referring to GILMORE's assertion that spending money on public schools is in and of itself a bigger travesty than indoctrinating kids in public schools)

For this, I was called a "sick totalitarian fuck" and compared to Stalin and Mao. Somehow, opposing indoctrinating kids into a particular religion in public schools makes me a suppressor of religious freedom on the level of two of history's worst mass murderers.

[Sevo]

Bleevers gonna bleeve. I've been called nasty things 'cause I'm not a bleever and I laugh at silly bleefs.

[GILMORE]

I also suspect he was drunk

[GILMORE]

"I was referring to GILMORE's assertion that spending money on public schools is in and of itself a bigger travesty than indoctrinating kids in public schools"

For purpose of clarity - buried in my point is/was that there is always going to be religious speech of some form, in school and out of it, and it happens to be a protected form of speech in the constitution. It is an area which TEAM BLUE hyperventilates over in an effort to excuse MOAR CONTROL over speech in schools (and in general), and to justify their own form of cultural 'indoc' (as you call it).

as you say - 'oppose both'....'in public schools'

Fair enough. My point was that when you have 'public' schools, this is an inevitable issue, and I generally fall on the side of FREE speech as opposed to 'proscripted' speech - full stop.

I believe *federal* (top down) curricula and regulations ultimately leads to exactly this kind of speech-control. Given that (most) public schools are (mostly) paid for with local property tax, I'd argue that local schools should serve local interests. Rather than fulminate about 'wrong speech', I'm more interested in getting the 'regulators' out of education and letting schools serve their communities. That way no one really has a right to complain what 'someone else' is learning, or complaining that they are 'paying for it'.

hope that's clear.

[GILMORE]

quoting myself =

"That way no one really has a right to complain what 'someone else' is learning, or complaining that they are 'paying for it'.""

I think this was the main thrust of John/Gill's objection to Bo's grief-trolling about Jeebus in the classroom.

also as a side note: I have long had a semi-idiosyncratic POV on the 'religion in the public sphere' issue that sometimes runs afoul of different kinds of libertoids (and resonates with others). My dad argued a Freedom of Religion case in the supreme court back in the 1980s. It was about the local town 'forbidding' a cr?che in the public square. His point was that public space is made for public speech, and the state has no justifiable interest in attempting to 'keep god out' (i.e. there is no 'Freedom FROM religion', but Freedom OF religion')

as such (even though I'm pretty atheisty), I find myself often defending religious speech in general; and when people talk about the intersection of 'public money and god', clearly - in my view - the solution should be to take away the public money, not the 'god', if you see my point.

a popular example is prayer in school (i.e. after class extra curriculars)

I think its AOK. others go ballistic about it. your mileage may vary.

Contrast the (mandated) pledge of allegiance = I am generally opposed to it.

(although I note: I did it until 7th grade. I used the dirty words version)

anyhoo.

[Calidissident]

GILMORE,

To be clear, my beef was not with you. You were respectful and had a reasonable argument that I largely I agree with. I also am opposed to federal control of education and if public education is going to exist, I prefer that it be handled as locally as possible. My point was that either way, one can oppose what I was arguing against and be consistent. I do agree that voluntary prayer should be allowed in schools, and I do not understand the extremists who think all prayer should be banned. At the same time, compulsory prayer (and Bo linked to a different story that gave an example where this is happening in a public school) clearly violates the First Amendment, and IMO so does teaching Creationism as science. Like I said yesterday, I support ending public schools (which would make this a non-issue), and I also vehemently oppose leftist indoctrination in public schools, if they do exist. And to repeat, we are in agreement that public schools generally should be locally-controlled granted they do exist.

[GILMORE]

sure, that's what I'd gathered from your comments.

I think gill's cup ranneth over as well. I just wanted to make sure I was not making myself a target in a brewing KULTURWAR skirmish.

[SIV]

You're a sick cosmotarian fuck,Calidissident.

[Calidissident]

Good evening to you too, my inbred yokeltarian brethren!

[Corning]

You are worse then Hitler for thinking we should have public schools at all.

....

Now lets play spot the hyperbole game!!

Pick which part is hyperbole and which part isn't!!

Winner gets jack shit and jack is out of town.

[Rufus J. Firefly]

Saw that but I'm confused, which comment was absurd?

[Calidissident]

If my quoting was confusing, look in the thread itself.

My comment (which is in my second post in this thread) was posted first yesterday. Marshall's post (which in this thread is in my first post) was a response to my post yesterday. Do you not agree that calling me a "sick totalitarian fuck" and comparing me to Stalin and Mao was absurd?

[SForza]

look in the thread itself.

Don't tell me what to do, you sick totalitarian fuck.

[Snark Plissken]

If my quoting was confusing

Mao also used Confucious, to LIE.

[Episiarch]

AIGGHHHH CAVUTO

[Fist of Etiquette]

NO EARRINGS.

[Lady Bertrum]

Earring AND a headband would be over accessorizing.

[Ted S.]

Do you really want to see Cavuto with earrings?

[Bobarian]

Your horrid mocking has caused her holes to become inflamed

[Fist of Etiquette]

She was having neck problems.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Um, phrasing.

[Bam!]

No earrings? WHAT?!

[SweatingGin]

Kennedy's earrings are huge.. wait... Change is scary!

[Episiarch]

Oh ho ho, Kennedy, you thought you could fool me and avoid an earring comment by wearing invisible earrings. But I'm too smart for that!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Did Kennedy just walk on set after filming an Orbit gum commercial?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Butt Sexton?

[SweatingGin]

Good hit and run moniker?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Agreed.

[Bam!]

I feel she should be wearing pearl stud earrings in her WASPy pink outfit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

That's terrible wallpaper.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Are you referring to Rand having a giant phallic symbol behind him during his speech?

[SIV]

Really Happy Meals

[Fist of Etiquette]

And you're getting alarmingly Marlo Thomas-esque.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

But like, the porn-parody Marlo Thomas.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Now that's interesting.

[Episiarch]

Kissing up to Lee, Matt? You sicken me.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I like this guy better when I saw him as Leslie Knope's love interest.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Um...I thought Paul was great? WTF?

Am I biased?

[Bobarian]

Me too?

[Episiarch]

Kennedy won't interrupt the father, what about the son? Have him on and find out!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I'm an AmeriCAN.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I will say its rich to hear some progressives showing outrage that the school marmish-Congresswoman was using her Down's Syndrome baby as a prop.

Coming from the group of people that are still standing on the corpses of the Newtown kids.

[Episiarch]

Did Kennedy just call Obama a wiener? Niiiiice.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Dirk Piston.

[Fist of Etiquette]

(That's Vin Diesel's real name.)

[seguin]

I thought it was Slab Bulkhead?

[Episiarch]

Kennedy is interruptastic tonight. It must be the invisible earrings.

[SweatingGin]

+2 Earrings of Interrupting.

[seguin]

That's a rare roll. I think it's 97-99 on a d100 on on of the charts. Lemme check the DMG.

There it is. Only thing harder to get is the Headband of Disintegration.

[Bobarian]

The earrings are there to slow her down?

[Episiarch]

They're how the producers control her, sort of like a shock collar.

[Bam!]

Like handicapping a horse.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Kennedy wants Obama to tweet the state of the union.

[Episiarch]

Uh, Matt and Kennedy, without the SOTU, how would you fill the time in today's show?

[Fist of Etiquette]

With many, many topics, none of which would be discussed for more than 150 seconds.

[Episiarch]

The entire show should just consist of them discussing past Independents comments threads.

[Dry_Gin_Wet_Farts]

The entire show should just consist of them discussing past Independents comments threads.

They would have to change the name of the show to "Hate Mail"

With many, many topics, none of which would be discussed for more than 150 seconds.

I wish topics lasted that long.

[Slammer]

Take a fucking breath, Kennedy.

[GILMORE]

"Jay Carney's beard"

The last in a series of strong signals that indeed, the Beard Is Dead as any icon of masculinity and independence.

The second to last was that horrifying Frank and Oak ad on H&R of the beardo in a suit.

R.I.P.

*My Canadian homie keeps it real however

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix.....68x292.jpg

[Derpetologist]

We're only 5 years away from an irreversible climate change catastrophe!
Give us money now! Gimmegimmegimmegimme now!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3e6G_7GY4

[SIV]

The Noisettes ? Somebody really hates good music.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I WATCHED THIS ALREADY.

[Bam!]

Earrings! Oh thank god.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Kennedy looked really hot back then.

[Episiarch]

I'm not the only person who thinks Gilbert Gottfried is a comic master? I'm no longer alone!

[Corning]

wasn't this discussed on yesterdays Independents?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Right now the panelists are outside the studio door enjoying a cigarette.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Who will come back with their shirt buttoned up wrong?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Now that's interesting.

[SweatingGin]

Come on, Penn. No one should ever be offended ever. Because feelz.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Reacting to something and pushing the envelope? Kennedy just gave you all permission to be completely inappropriate here in live blog.

[SweatingGin]

The night hit and run crossed over into Aristocrats territory?

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

"and they call it The INDEPENDENTS!"

[Episiarch]

Can we do our impression of 9-11 victims?

[Episiarch]

Since Penn has never done cocaine, he really can't speak about comedians in their prime. You guys should have gotten Robin Williams.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You really are a terrible person.

[Episiarch]

True, but I also know my audience.

[Thane ? the booty]

TEH CHINAMEN ARE TAKING OVER!!!

After announcing plans to acquire IBM's x86 server business, Lenovo and Google announce that the former will buy Motorola, sans "most" patents and advanced research division.

[Episiarch]

Well, if you want stuff that isn't funny, Penn, there are whole networks full of shows that will fulfill that wish. Or you could just go see Dane Cook.

[Bobarian]

Fecal humor is the highest form of humor there is.

[Episiarch]

So Penn hates black comedians. That's what I heard!

[Apatheist ?_??]

Dave Chappelle's racial stuff was amazing, I'm going to have to disagree with Penn.

[Bobarian]

That's cause your a racist, or something.

[Corning]

That skit with the black felons doing a reality show with a white couple i found pretty disturbing.

The episode when they shoot a slave master was hilarious.

[Slammer]

Penn loves Zappa but doesn't dig the scat humor?

[Episiarch]

Oh sure, guys, talk about the Bieb and then go to commercial, making us wait. You sadists!

[Fist of Etiquette]

I don't care what you say, Bieber's "MmmBop" was the soundtrack to a generation.

[kibby]

Wow, my nap went way over schedule.

[Episiarch]

Well, Kennedy's earrings can't wake you up when they're invisible.

[Fist of Etiquette]

You missed an accidental penis slip. Go ahead and guess whose. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[kibby]

Awww, mannnnnnn!

[Ted S.]

Kennedy's?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Oh no, another Stossel fake SOTU addy.

[Slammer]

Kennedy came back blushing! What happened?

[Bobarian]

Beiber and moose-knuckles!

[Episiarch]

You know, this level of Bieb hate is disturbing, Kennedy. Have you tried anger management?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Not white people. And there's nobody whiter.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Why are they talking aboot this?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Bieber puts out records?

[Slammer]

Criminal ones, now.

[Derpetologist]

Shrill feminist screeches, spews straw men arguments & other fallacies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80

RAWR! FEMINIST SMASH!

[Episiarch]

The cast is clearly incredibly jealous of the ugly lesbian. Especially Matt. He wishes he had the Bieb's fashion sense.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Biebs is the hardest working whatever he is in show business.

[Ted S.]

I thought he had retired.

[Bam!]

This is an unnamed topical storm.

[Episiarch]

Uh, Independents cast, who will you be rooting for? If you don't say the Seahawks, Fist will make snarky comments at you.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They deserve it after Bill Leavy stole Super Bowl Extra Large from them and handed it to the Stillers.

[Episiarch]

We can't live in the past, Fist. Unless you have a DeLorean that you don't mind customizing.

[Ted S.]

Lance Easley made up for that.

[Fist of Etiquette]

They never closed half the lanes on Checkpoint Charlie.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Is that super thingy this weekend?

Which day is it on?

[kibby]

Monday.

[Bobarian]

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 19-year-olds can handle... Ogie Beiber!

[Francisco d Anconia]

Jersey sucks.

That is all.

[Sevo]

I think there's some game there this weekend.

[Bobarian]

Jay Carney's beard?

Why does anyone care about his wife?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Ask Welch about awkward hipster beards.

[kibby]

I loved Matt's beard, it was red & amazing. But I sort of have a thing for beards, maybe.

[Episiarch]

That's not a beard, Kennedy. It's a gorilla mask.

[SweatingGin]

Ladybeard? Ouch.

"absorbent qualities"

[Fist of Etiquette]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Episiarch]

Matt, I think we're all wondering why you don't still rock your 1994 look.

[playa manhattan]

I looked like that in 1994, but I lived at an actual beach. Not Long Beach.

[Episiarch]

Wasn't Matt working and living in the Czech Republic back then? I could excuse it if he was in Europe, where things are a little...different.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Twenty percent of zero is...?

[Bobarian]

20% more of zero is still zero, Kmele.

That's math!

[Slammer]

That was Jep, Kennedy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What happens in selfies stays in selfies.

[Episiarch]

What the hell are they talking about now?

[SweatingGin]

Look away for a sec, and there's Vin Diesel's head right in front of you.

[Episiarch]

If you had watched all of the Fast and Furious movies like me, Kennedy, you'd understand.

[kibby]

......

[Episiarch]

Oh sure, just dismiss them because the first one is by Rob Cohen. You're all a bunch of haters!

REMEMBER PAUL

[Fist of Etiquette]

My TV is powered by this stationary bike I'm pedaling.

[SweatingGin]

My TV is powered by the stationary bikes my warehouse of orphans are pedaling.

[kibby]

This is efficiency.

[seguin]

It's also sustainable.

So long as your orphan-kidnapping operation uses electric vans.

[Derpetologist]

This sent me into a spell of raucous, wheezing laughter in less than 3 minutes- Chicago students gripe at school board meeting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw_oJNx42MA

[kibby]

Have we complained yet that there should be a Hate Mail segment tonight? Because there should.

[Episiarch]

Way to go and ruin the surprise.

[kibby]

Anything to make you unhappy, dear.

[Episiarch]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

[kibby]

Go masturbate in the corner & cry some more, you big baby.

[Episiarch]

I...I already did that. What do I do now?!?

[Bam!]

This Trivita seems on the level.

[Ted S.]

The last time I did a google search, I was unable to find out which banned substance (SLD that it shouldn't be banned) was in Cenegenics.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Why is Detroit in the state it's in? Not enough federal moneys.

[Bam!]

How much federal moneys do you need to move a city out of state?

[Ted S.]

Get Congress to pass a law making it a separate state. No money needed.

[Bobarian]

Because it's in Michigan?

[kibby]

I really hope this guy comes across better in writing than he does as as a speaker.

[Episiarch]

I literally have no idea what he's talking about. Is this what people from Detroit sound like?

[kibby]

It explains an awful lot if they do.

[SweatingGin]

Not usually.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

He's not bad as a local tv news guy. Makes regular efforts to call out city govt bullshit.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Illiteracy as a plus?

[Apatheist ?_??]

Does anybody know how the ratings for this show are doing? In my fruitless search I found our very own Mary dominating the comments section of some random noname blog.

[Bam!]

I don't know what this means but maybe.

[Francisco d Anconia]

90% probability it's her. She is bat-shit nuts.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Obsessed, one might say.

[Corning]

The article is horrible.

Starts off calling all three hosts conservatives.

[Slammer]

What is this guy even saying? He can't put a sentence together.

[Episiarch]

Way to be incredibly insensitive about a dead sister you couldn't possibly have known about, Kennedy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I thought they were going to turn that into a zombie park.

[kibby]

My favorite part so far is that the federal government is totally helping with corruption. Because the logic train is one hundred percent on track, there!

[SweatingGin]

The got Kwame (former mayor) for corruption, Monica Conyers (former city council member) for bribes, Kwame's cronie contractor, and a few others. Sounds like they're going after more of the city government corruption now, too.

[kibby]

I stand corrected.

[SweatingGin]

Not to take away from the good old federal corruption, of course.

[seguin]

The Detroiters must not have been giving the Feds their cut.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Is this a clip show? Already?

[Bam!]

They're saving up all the good stuff for the live after show.

[Episiarch]

Murders and gunshot victims? What about zombies? Or C.H.U.D.s? I mean, this is Detroit.

[Episiarch]

I wonder how much they're paying Krystin Ritter to do those commercials.

[Fist of Etiquette]

KICKBACKS.

[Episiarch]

How much did you slip this guy for that book plug, Matt?

[Bam!]

Wow, Kennedy deferred to Kmele.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Crazy and obtuse? Carr is the next Ron Paul!

[Episiarch]

And now we have the second person in the world who Kennedy won't interrupt. Or Matt ordered her to shut up so his book plug would be heard.

[SweatingGin]

I don't think we're going to get a two minute hate tonight.

[kibby]

I think Matt lied to us about that being a recurring segment. I'm very upset with you, Matt. VERY. UPSET.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Next show Welch will be participating from the same remote studio as Carr's.

[Fist of Etiquette]

What's in your wallet, motherfucker?

[SweatingGin]

Bitcoin.

[Episiarch]

Leave the French to Matt, Kennedy. Or get shinier earrings.

[Bam!]

"What is it? I'm not sure." Geez, you're a help.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Holy shit, that was an abrupt ending!

[Episiarch]

AIIGGHHH NOT LOU DOBBS

[Fist of Etiquette]

AH! Lady Lou Dobbs.

[Bam!]

Lou Dobbs has... Changed.

[SweatingGin]

So, those hearings in New York had some odd lines, and I wanted to find a source for them (text) but haven't yet.

Essentially, the regulator was saying "If I have to pick between stopping money laundering and strangling innovation, I'll strangle innovation".

[Bobarian]

Join the live stream

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v.....show-clips

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Hahahahaha

Kennedy got in trouble for "pick a good category"

[Bam!]

Kennedy got in trouble for her awesome sign-off, "Choose a good category?" Really?!

[Bam!]

I now feel sympathy for her.

[Bobarian]

Bill Fuckman?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Hey man, nice middle name.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The livestream is all about the Grammys. In other words, irrelevant.

[Bobarian]

And wiggers.

[kibby]

Hey, a lesson in Persian! Which I already knew, but still cool.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Uighur/wigger puns. Good for you, Kennedy.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"Nancy Pelosi: The cold eyes of a goat and a brain to match."

[Bobarian]

Excellent Pelosi description.

The eyes of a goat and the brain to match.

[neoteny]

Calling for the deportation of Bieber is de facto War On Women?.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I heard they don't pay the stage crew extra for the livestream crap.

[All-Seeing Monocle]

Pay? They aren't all interns?

[kibby]

So...who wants to help me with my Excel homework?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

One word: pivot tables

[kibby]

The problem with this class is I can do the actual worksheet stuff, but we're expected to write these ridiculous things to go along with it.

Pie charts versus scatter plots? WHAT?

[All-Seeing Monocle]

"If I wanted to write about shit I'd be an English major, dumb-ass".

Insert it as a cell comment.

[kibby]

I like the way you think.

I also, however, like not failing classes, especially when they're 100 level electives.

[GILMORE]

Fuck pivot tables:

VLOOKUP, bitch

[Fist of Etiquette]

I use Lotus 1-2-3, the way God intended.

[kibby]

I don't even know what that is, so I presume your god has a name that invokes terror, bloodlust & Bacchic frenzy.

In which case, sign me up.

[Bobarian]

It is a very old god.

With lots of tentacles, and eyes, and dimensionally impossible features, which cause raving madness and the ability to post first...

A soul is a small price to pay for such greatness?

[kibby]

You go first.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Ken Burns' Civil War on PBS. You just missed it.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

SPOILER: The North wins and Lincoln gets shot at the end.

But I think the entire miniseries is on Netflix. Or at least it was a few months ago, along with his series on Baseball and Prohibition.

[kibby]

Is the Prohibition one worth watching?

[Sevo]

No.

[kibby]

Are you just being an asshole? You should take the quiz linked below.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Sure.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

I haven't seen all of it, but I think it does a pretty good job detailing the reasons for Prohibition and why it failed so spectacularly.

You certainly can see how it got the support of progressives and not just baptist bible-thumpers.

[kibby]

I'm obsessed with that era right now, so I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the recommendation!

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

MSNBC's official Twitter account links to Cheerios commercial featuring biracial family, says "the right-wing will probably hate it."

You know, because MSNBC is convinced we're still in the 1960s.

[Bobarian]

Projection is a harsh mistress.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Cheerio's doesn't have right-wing customers? Or are they running ads on Limbaugh's show saying, "let the socialist hippies eat their overpriced Whole Foods free-range granola, us real Americans like old fashioned ass-kicking, flag-waving Cheerios. Hi, I'm tge DucknDynasty guy, and every time you eat a spoonful of Cheerios a left-winger gets a wedgie."

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Oops, sorry Cheerios, it was MSNBC not you who made the remark. But at least consider my ad idea.

[Bam!]

All commercials these days seem to feature a broad array of minorities.

[Calidissident]

There were a bunch of offensive Youtube comments when they posted their first ad on the site, but given the venue, that's predictable (YT comments are about as bad as it gets on the Internet) and it's idiotic to somehow assume that those people represent "the right wing"

[SIV]

Those racists at LifeLock seem to think only white people are smart enough to pull off "high tech" crimes like identity theft. Minorities must all be off stealin' hub caps and chickens, right LifeLock?

[kibby]

Jason Todd dislikes this post.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

+1 crow-bar

[kibby]

THANK YOU. I mean, not for the reminder of his grisly & terrible death.

But for getting the reference, yes.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Well, his "death". The most excellent animated movie adaption of Under the Red Hood is also on Netflix.

It was better than The Dark Knight Rises. But then again so is Batman Returns.

[kibby]

Admittedly, him clawing his way out of the grave is one of the prettiest comic pages I've ever seen. /weird

& yes! DC Animated knows how to make movies correctly. That one is perfectly voice cast.

[PapayaSF]

OT, schadenfreude alert: Feminism's Toxic Twitter Wars

[Thane ? the booty]

The top-rated comment, of course, is:

Karen MacRae ? 10 hours ago
White feminist horrified to discover that Women of Colour Feminists have opinions

[Thane ? the booty]

Ridley ? 10 hours ago
Posts like this one are why I, a white woman, have excised nearly all white feminists from my diet. A sense of entitlement occupies the space that a willingness to learn should occupy.

[Thane ? the booty]

Elie ? 10 hours ago
Online feminism isn't becoming toxic, white (able bodied, cishet, etc...) feminists are just tasting their own medicine. Get over it, get over your privileges and learn.

[Apatheist ?_??]

cishet

How exactly is this "word" pronounced? And should the "word" be cisist?

[Thane ? the booty]

cis as in "SISter" and het as in "HETerosexual"

It's an amalgamation of cisgender (or cissexual, or both) and heterosexual, so no, it shouldn't be "cisist".

"Cissexist" is what you're looking for.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Catfight!

I mean, serious exploration of how unconscious privilege marginalizes the etc. etc.

Now, to symbolize how you wrestle with these issues, could you do a performance art piece where you wrestle in a pool of jello?

[neoteny]

It just shows the truism in Rebecca West's otherwise quite obnoxious dictum: "Feminism is the radical notion that women are people."

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

This is probably a silly question given the people who comment here, but...how much of an asshole are you?

Take the quiz and find out!

[kibby]

Aw, man. I'm not an asshole at all. Does this mean I have to turn in my commenting card?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wow, their rating system goes from Canadian Nun at one extreme to H&R Commenter at the other.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wow, their rating system goes from Canadian Nun at one extreme to H&R Commenter at the other.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Wow, the rating system goes all the way from Mr. Rogers at one extreme to H&R commenter at the other!

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Guess which one I am?

[kibby]

The kind of asshole that double posts?

[Notorious G.K.C.]

The kind that triple-posts and refuses to supply a new roll of posts!

[kibby]

Clearly you are the worst.

[Dry_Gin_Wet_Farts]

Not an asshole at all. I am disapoint.

[Francisco d Anconia]

Who are you? You show up here one night and boom, you make the Independents hate mail segment?

Some of us have been posting for years for that honor.

You heartless bastard!

[Dry_Gin_Wet_Farts]

That's how big of an asshole I am. Shows how flawed that test really is.

Must have struck a nerve. hehe

[Sevo]

Bad test.
Try this: Someone you've known for a while (a friend?) tells you Obama is great and O-care is the best thing that every happened.
You:
1) Smile and say 'sure'!
2) Tell him he's full of it.
3) Kick him in the slats.
Answers:
1) You're a pussy; get lost
2) An asshole! Great to meet you!
3) Thug; I'll help the idjit knock the crap out of you.

[Bobarian]

I think it must be practical joke, it told me I'm not an asshole at all, but then it said I should run for president.

What, do you think I'm some kind of asshole?

[GILMORE]

It must be broken. It said I was the second coming of Christ and offered to sell me a crucifixion-insurance policy.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

How many assholes we got on this thread anyway?

[DesigNate]

Yo!

[MJGreen]

Not interested in what Buzzfeed has to say, nor in giving them the traffic.

[Archduke von Pantsfan]

You run into an asshole in the morning: you ran into ... You run into assholes all day: you're the asshole.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

Huh, watching Goldfinger on BBC America. Bond just said drinking Dom Perignon at a temperature above 30 degrees farhenheit is worse than listening to the Beatles without earmuffs.

[GILMORE]

Bond was an Elvis man

[Notorious G.K.C.]

In the latest Bond movie, he goes undercover, puts on a Duck Dynasty T shirt, and drinks Miller Lite out of the can.

[Notorious G.K.C.]

Insulting two beloved franchises in one post - nobody out-assholes me!

[Snark Plissken]

above 30 degrees farhenheit

It was switching to the metric system that sunk Britain.

[Grand Moff Serious Man]

James Bond--license to convert lesbians!

[Francisco d Anconia]

Good show on H2. America's Secret Slang. Showing origins of country expressions.