Joe Biden Handing Out Good Advice in China, He Should Try it on Obama
Free press, questioning authority


Joe Biden has spent the last week in China, his trip announced as tensions in the South China Sea escalated, but the vice president did not publicly comment on the Air Defense Zone dispute when meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping. He did make a lot of other comments, dispensing advice to China's people and government, advice it's not clear his own government supports or follows.
For example, speaking to the American Chamber of Commerce in Beijing on the second day of his trip, Biden urged China to expand press freedoms and to stop punishing news agencies that report critically of the government, an astonishingly tone-deaf and oblivious thing to say even for Joe Biden, given the Obama(-Biden) Administration's veritable war on journalism. Attempts to punish news agencies for unfavorable coverage is not unknown to the administration either, with the White House media arm starting Obama's first term by trying to pick a fight with Fox News.
Biden started his trip to China with a surprise visit to the consular section of the US embassy in Beijing, where he seemed to urge Chinese youth to challenge authority. Just this May, President Obama told American youth to "reject" cynical voices that warn of tyranny "always lurking just around the corner." Obama made those comments just a few weeks before the first of the NSA revelations and the string of deceptive and untrue statements he made in defense of the disclosed activities
Joe Biden gave the Chinese some good advice. Free speech and questioning authority certainly helped make America what it is, as Biden noted. But he should also realize its advice he should be dispensing in his own administration first, especially as he looks to how far coattails can take him in 2016.
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Biden also said that China should probably not use drones to murder people without a trial, and indeed should probably just stay out of international conflicts that were none of its business in the first place.
Has he suggested the Chinamen not, for instance, lock journalists in the utility closet?
General Boy: Come in Booji Boy. You're late. Have you got the papers the Chinaman gave you?
Booji Boy: Here it is, Dad. Is it a surprise?
General Boy: Yes, Booji. In the past this information has been suppressed, but now it can be told. Every man, woman, and mutant on this planet shall know the truth about de-evolution.
Booji Boy: Oh Dad, we're all DEVO!
an astonishingly tone-deaf and oblivious thing to say even for Joe Biden
Not really. Joe sort of...owns...tone-deaf.
Joe sort of...owns...tone-deaf.
Sort of.....?
Joe Biden Handing Out Good Advice in China, He Should Try it on Obama
So Joe Biden informed the Chinese all they needed were shotguns?
It's pretty simple.
Free Chinese populace = Frustration of Chinese Top Men = Good for U.S. Top Men
Free American populace = Frustration of U.S. Top Men = Bad for U.S. Top Men.
I'm surprised he isn't over there extolling the virtues of owning AR-15s with drum magazines.
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OT:
Well, the SEIU gave SF a pass (I had a Quarter Pounder and fries; no union thugs to be seen at 3 locations)
" The 37-year-old mother of two still works two fast-food jobs - one at Jack-in-the-Box in Oakland, the other at KFC in Emeryville. One shift runs from 9:15 a.m. to 4:15 p.m., and the other begins at 8 p.m. and ends at 4:15 a.m.
The big change in her life is that now she's seven months pregnant, with little prospect that her pay will go up."
Not much time to left to screw, but somehow she managed. Was the father KFC or Jack? One owes some child support.
http://www.sfgate.com/politics.....039151.php
We certainly don't lack for your critical focus on the antics of the working poor.
Tony|12.5.13 @ 8:07PM|#
"We certainly don't lack for your critical focus on the antics of the working poor."
Working poor? I thought she was the fucking poor.
No Sevo, it's perfectly acceptable to choose to get knocked up when you can't support the family you've got. It's obvious that this person's lot in life is the fault of someone else. Probably a libertarian.
The Koch Brothers poked holes in all of her condoms.
How about viewing reproduction as something that tends to happen naturally? If humans were careful accountants of their reproductive habits, that wouldn't be a very good evolutionary strategy.
Of course, your idiocy fails morally even more. Children don't get a choice in their parents' responsibility or lack thereof. Do you or did Ayn Rand understand this simple fact even a little bit?
Tony|12.5.13 @ 8:34PM|#
"How about viewing reproduction as something that tends to happen naturally?"
How many kids have happened to you "naturally", Tony?
Look, its not like you can just shoo that stork away once it's decided to drop a baby on you. Storks are endangered species, after all.
"Look, its not like you can just shoo that stork away once it's decided to drop a baby on you."
"Shoo"? You mean with this 30/06?
How many kids have happened to you "naturally", Tony?
I'm going to say none....I hear Tony swallows!
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1 tablespoon ground cumin
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Death happens naturally too. I usually find it best to avoid it though.
Death, tragically, happens when the government hasn't properly warned you of danger. Where the fuck have you been?
"If humans were careful accountants of their reproductive habits, that wouldn't be a very good evolutionary strategy."
- if they only lived to the age of 25 or so. Contemporary humans can afford to wait until they are 30, or 40 if they just think about it.
At 21 I was married and recently discharged from the military with no viable skills. Not having kids was a pretty obvious requirement until I could finish school and get a real job.
Having grown up in a neighborhood where many people were working poor I have seen it up close and personal. Looking back on that time and place 30+ years later the glaringly obvious difference between those who held off on kids and those who didn't is stark. But then it was pretty clear back then when I saw that all of the working poor families had much younger parents who had never gone to school.
Um, no. Immaculate conception is a myth.
That's hard to swallow.
In this thread, Tony acknowledges that he has never heard of abstinence or birth control.
You kidding?
Tony, like everyone else, knows that kids come from people with lady parts getting hit by a bus.
which means we have another baby boom coming on from all the people Obama's been throwing under there.
That one is never going to get old...
"In this thread, Tony acknowledges that he has never heard of abstinence or birth control."
And given his often-stated fundy xian religious views, he is adamantly opposed to abortion, right Tony?
Or can we quit playing around and just accept you're a power hungry hypocrite who would use any excuse to have guns pulled on those with whom you disagree?
If it wasn't obvious before, your two-stepping here removes any doubt.
Anal. That's equally effective.
Or abortion.
How about holding people responsible for their actions you immoral shitbag?
Tony:
LOL!
Try taking a dump on a public street, and explain to the cops that it just happens naturally.
Tony:
What? You think the sky god orders us all to take care of the children that Tony thinks life has been unfair to?
Getting hit by a bus is NOT natural!
I was scrolling down, amazed that no one had made this comment. I was hoping to be the first one. Well done.
Well man, she obviously can't afford condoms - only making minimum wage and already supporting two other kids and a layabout husband who apparently doesn't work or do anything to bring in a second income.
This is why I need to get snipstarter.com off the ground. What the world needs now is more non-coercive, crowd-funded sterilizations. I've offered to pay for 4 or 5 vasectomies and 2 tubal ligations out of pocket, but nobody has taken me up on it yet, which is a shame.
Dude, you're doing it wrong. As the EU and Tampa have shown - have a vote about it. If you don't get the right result, have another.
The best part about voting - *you* get to decide who the stakeholders are. Find a couple of neighbors who don't like them and give them a vote.
After-all - its not coercive if you got to vote, right?
Ted already told me I couldn't unilaterally use an ultrasound gun on men-I-don't-like's nads to temporarily sterilize them. Your idea has merit. If I have multilateral sterilization talks it'll be morally acceptable...
I offered to get my druggie/often homeless sister a tubal ligation and she flipped out on me. Complained about it to my mom. My mom's response was "Wait, really? How much do they cost, I'll chip in half."
My sister was not amused.
"My mom's response was "Wait, really? How much do they cost, I'll chip in half.""
Jesse, I think I like your family. Or at least part of it.
Haha, they're great people, just inadequate parents.
http://www.projectprevention.org/
We actually looked at a few of those programs. I think one of my lefty friends freaked out that one of the programs was giving cash incentives to get snipped because addicts have a hard time thinking long term. I like this from the FAQ:
Tony, how much time have you actually spent among working poor?
Virtually none. Maybe when I go through a drive-through. Which makes my political beliefs all the more enlightened. I don't need to interact with people to know they have certain basic needs. What's your excuse?
Tony|12.5.13 @ 8:29PM|#
..."I don't need to interact with people to know they have certain basic needs."...
Yes, the "need" to get pregnant again when you have two kids you already can't support.
Now, Tony, tell us of "basic needs" again.
What exactly is your point? Someone getting pregnant often means a helpless infant is born. What in your moral formula accounts for punishing infants for the alleged crimes of their parents? A crime so horrible it can only be described as "failing to financially plan for the consequences of getting pregnant." I shudder at the psychotic callousness of this crime.
Tony|12.5.13 @ 8:36PM|#
..."Someone getting pregnant often means a helpless infant is born."...
Well, with your sell-developed sense of responsibility, there's your chance! You just march right in there and offer to pay for the little sucker!
Yes, and subsidizing out of wedlock pregnancy means you get more of it.
But don't take my word for it!
That's a graph beginning around the time of the 'war on poverty' and continuing until today. Notice the massive explosion in out of wedlock births right around the time that the government started subsidizing unwed mothers?
Here's what you don't understand, Tony. You aren't taking a child who would be in dire straits and supporting them. You are actively subsidizing bad decisions and causing more women to have children that they cannot afford.
You are CREATING helpless infants born into situations of dire poverty from which they cannot escape.
I shudder at the psychotic callousness of a liberal who would rather stroke his own ego than realize the vicious consequences of his own policies.
Is that dip around the mid 1990s welfare reform?
So, a stranger who doesn't want to help her kid is a moral monster, yet the person who put the kid in that situation is blameless?
Yes you ignorant fucking immoral cunt. I can't think of anything worse than bringing a defenseless child into the world before having the means to pay for it. One who would do such a thing is only one step above you. But no one is responsible for their own actions? Right, you disgusting immoral pig?
Ya know dude, your getting this stuff mixed up - like you do with 'positive' and 'negative' rights.
Its not 'punishing' someone when you simply do nothing to improve their condition - even if that condition is genuinely not their fault.
Also - aren't you guilty of that exact crime? I don't see you giving away every penny not absolutely necessary for your bare existence, right?
Given that there still are babies born to abjectly poor (not simply the 'uncomfortable' poor of this country) in other parts of the world and you do nothing to rescue them, what sort of hypocrite are you?
My excuse is that I worked my way out of it. Given that you just admitted you have zero actual experience to go along with your demonstrated lack of knowledge, you should probably just stop digging now.
He'll dig his way out!
What are their basic needs?
Food? What's food?
.50c can of beans? Everybody in US can afford that. $5 beef? It gets tricky, but is it really a need or a want?
I can't answer this, and neither can you or anybody else except the person voluntarily trading said beef.
What if poor people said they had a need for Roasted Tony Sauteed in Garlic Sauce? Would that be OK too?
If enough people voted for it, it'd just have to be done. It's only one white guy's life.
And a pretty sleazy one at that, so who gives a hoot?
"I know nothing about the people I claim to be trying to help, yet I'm such a drooling narcissist that I also apparently believe I'm a psychic."
Tony, let me put it to you this way. Let's say, hypothetically, there are two groups of poor people. The first group doesn't need your help because they generally make good decisions and will work their way out of poverty. It will be a hard road, but they don't need or want your charity.
The second group of poor people make TERRIBLE decisions. They have multiple out of wedlock children and buy lottery tickets despite making minimum wage. They buy expensive items they can't afford, miss payments, and have those items repossessed while destroying their credit rating. You could give these people millions of dollars and they'd be right back where they started in ten years, stone fucking broke.
Since I actually do spend time with poor people, the above is pretty much my experience. The poor who will one day get out of poverty don't need your help, the poor who won't cannot be helped.
You'd see that if this wasn't just a narcissistic ego trip to you.
Yes, how enlightened that you want to force others to help the poor without doing anything yourself.
Now, Jordan. He sees lots of poor people at the drive through.
Have some respect for Tony's sacrifices.
That is some high quality stupidity. Well done Tony.
Tell me, what are my basic needs? and no, you can't use maslow's hierarchy.
Shorter Tony: Ignorance is enlightenment.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
Wait, how can your political beliefs be more enlightened?
You are employing a solution that, at best, takes care of *symptoms* of a problem and does nothing to fix its root cause.
Since your political philosophy is centered around the 'greater good' wouldn't it make more sense to eat the short term losses for a long-term benefit?
Instead you want to ensure that the poor stay poor *and* create larger numbers of them by forcing those at the margin out of the legal labor market while simultaneously bleeding the profitability out of small businesses - leaving the country at the mercy of those rapacious titans of commerce that you claim to hate so much.
Holy shit I just had an epiphany!
Thank you oh enlightened one for showing me the way, the truth, and the light. Truly we should all be humbled by this prophet's presence on H&R.
So you think she is behaving responsibly? Let me guess. It's not her fault. She got hit by a bus.
Reckon she might be able to identify dear ol' Dad in the lineup?
"Its that one, the 64 seater over there with the dented left front fender!"
'Course Tony - she might be able to get that income to go a little further if we didn't tax her income in the first place.
How big is the H&R Bay Area contingent?
Not sure, but it doesn't include Ms. Elida Munoz who is featured above.
I'm guessing about a dozen of us in the Bay Area.
Starchild shows up now and then
Not having read the article, does she impale roaches on toothpicks?
"Not having read the article, does she impale roaches on toothpicks?"
Not clear, but she seems to work 10 jobs at $0.01/hour, all uphill, and screws like a mink in her spare time.
For Darius404:
Fuck! I'm on my 4th homebrew and i just realized that you don't know me people.. I've been reading the Dictatorship of Commentariat for the past couple of years now, so i feel like i know you all. No, i'm not Mary Stark/Joe/White Indian. But you don't know me. If you feel like it, look up my comments on Economist (same handle)...
Anyway, when i call you Dictatorship of the Commentariat, i don't mean you are Communists (maybe except STEVE SMITH who rapes everybody equally).
I meant you are pretty harsh, but very reasonable, yet will have have trouble selling you message. Count me as Ken Schultz II 'this is why there is no .... libertarians' camp.
That is all.
Also, fried chicken.
Welcome aboard, boozebag.
What's your homebrew?
Guilty as charged. Currently it's American Cream Ale kit spiked with a pound of sugar (i know what yeast loves, and i love yeast piss).
That said, i'm a Belgian/Wheat Ale guy. Wife likes weaker, flavorful beers though, so i must comply on occasion.
I'm a fan of using dry malt extract in place of sugar. Same strength boost, little more flavor.
I still have to bottle my latest pumpkin ale. My usual brew is a fat tire clone.
Also need to mess with all grain sooner or later.
Corn sugar for IPAs. Pliny's secret. Made my best IIPAs using corn sugar. Helps to finish at a really low gravity and remove any residual sweetness
Heh, didn't even know you said anything in reply to me.
I knew I was in the club the first time Warty got all shitty with me. Good times!
Yeah, I have some agreement with the sentiment as well.
OT: No big surprise
Good thing the Obama administration stopped prosecuting low-level offenders and people complying with state laws.
Think this was under H&R earlier today.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
At first I thought this picture was a joke, but Pete Souza is the Director of White House photography.
It is impossible to tell what is a joke and what isn't anymore. The Obama administration has lost its mind.
I swear he looks like Dunham's "Walter" enough that I expect to see someone's arm up his ass.
Has anyone seen him and Obo speak at the same time?
http://www.bing.com/images/sea.....edIndex=33
Oops; Biden looks like "Walter".
Don't you see how caring and up on current events he is?
Honestly, shouldn't a guy with his own massive intelligence networks be, you know, ahead of the news channel curve? Are they trying to make him look stupid? Don't answer that.
He's just learning about it along with the rest of us.
Two things.
1. Why are people retwitting that and simply restating the original caption? Is it really news that the man watched some tv coverage of Mandela's death?
2. Does he not have a chair so he can watch it comfortably? Has SEKWESTER! and austerity reduced the government so much that they can't afford a chair (or a decent sized TV)? Is there really NOTHING LEFT TO CUT?!
A great quote about equality, from Brian Micklethwait:
Too hard, give 'em equality. Good and hard.
Britain is having an epidemic of no-sex!
In fairness, have you SEEN British people?
Wow. I think the takeaway here is that westerners have become total cowards who are forever living in fear.
All they need now is to get the kids involved in the spying. Maybe the junior anti-sex league.
Unless I live in a house alone, a lock on my bedroom door is pretty much one of the first things I install...and sometimes I install one when I live alone, too.
The only difference being *which* side requires the key, right?
I believe you have me confused with Warty.
Well, that can't be right. Tony just told us that people are mindless fuck machines.
mindless fuck machines
good band name
Bus Humpers
Yes.
In fairness, have you SEEN British people?
Yes? I have.
One of those is a trap!
You can't pick the outliers, you son of a bitch.
BRITISH PEOPLE!
Sure there are plenty of Brits like that, but when they're hot they're very hot, AND, I have a soft spot for average joes with slightly goofy features, pasty skin and accents.
Also, Idris Elba
I have a soft spot for average joes with slightly goofy features, pasty skin and accents.
A perfect description of Stringer Bell.
Whelp - the thing that sucks about Youtube videos is I'm not going to wait even 15 seconds for the ads to end.
Idris Elba? This Idris Elba?
Well, you've just proven that Sierra Leoneans and Ghanaians can have attractive children. I don't know what that had to do with our discussion of BRITISH PEOPLE!
Wow, Irish, way to treat immigrant families like permanent outsiders. Idris Elba was born in London. Next you're going to tell us you're a half-Jew with an Asian girlfriend.
You know damn well that when people say 'British people are ugly' they mean 'those of historical British lineage.'
When I say 'Swedish women are hot' I do not mean people who moved to Sweden, I mean people of Swedish descent.
Wrong. I'm an Asian girl with a half-Jew boyfriend.
And none of us are British.
'those of historical British lineage.'
So, the Australians, Kiwis, white South Africans of non-Dutch descent, and Canadians...?
Pantsfan is sad that you find him unattractive.
I'm not British. My folk come from Prussia via the lowlands.
My folk come from Prussia via the lowlands
Canada: Surprisingly diverse in its whiteness.
Face it, Jesse. The British are a strange people with wobbly jowls, rotten teeth, and beer guts galore.
Bad genes, a lack of dentistry and massive alcohol abuse do not an attractive people make.
Personally I'm just waiting for Epi to show up and tell me I'm a collectivist.
I had no idea Miranda Kerr was British.
I think I recently saw some survey saying British women had the biggest boobs, on average.
That's not necessarily a good thing.
Is this, like, an Irish thing, or something?
Did Britons savagely suppress your family in the past and now you find the idea of attractive Brits offensive?
I took it more as a "big boobs can sometimes just mean big women" thing.
I'm not a huge boob guy myself. A lot of of those Nuts and Page 3 girls were a little excessive for my tastes, but I can appreciate natural endowment nonetheless.
Well, it's not like we Irish don't have some uggos.
Shane McGowan. Ugh.
But then there's BRITISH PEOPLE!
I was expecting more hot Irish chicks.
Irish woman for Pantsfan
Irish or English doesn't matter to me. Although now I'm tumbling down the "hoy [pasty, accented nationality] rugby player" rabbit hole on Google Images.
The Irish one is better looking. The other has the British nose.
I'd better stop because I feel like I'm on the verge of explaining how you can tell the flaws in the British character via phrenology.
Really? The Irish one has a silly looking mouth. Which is fine, since I've made my preferences known about slightly awkward men, but I wouldn't say he's BETTER than the Englishman.
I think you're just digging in on this.
I wonder if there's a place to get trained in phrenology. I would love to walk around randomly touching people's scalps and telling them inane things about themselves.
I'm absolutely digging in on this. I do believe that the British are, on average, unattractive, but you've now enraged me through your disagreement and forced me to make increasingly ridiculous claims.
But I've admitted I think they're attractive because they're somewhat quirky and average. If I wanted consistently hot I'd go after Spaniards.
My guess is that you could totally make shit up and they'd never know the difference.
... Hobbit
Sounds like you've got it down pat already.
The spotlight also provides Biden with an opportunity to remind people why Barack Obama chose him as his running mate
Comic lerief?
/RACIST!
A Biden post is the overnight thread?
Didn't Reason have standards at one time?
under you-know-who this would never have happened.
Biden?
Hitler?
I'd rather have a sharknado marathon than watch Sound of Music Live
DON'T TALK ABOUT SHARKNADO!!
Our ancestors and the bi-modal sleep pattern.
Joe Biden s a stupid cunt.
Noel Gallagher's Epic Year-End Gripe Session
The fuck? The squirrels ate my comment!
Going to try this again...
Why are we sending Biden rather than Kerry, whose job it is to do these sorts of trips?
Less dangerous? More lulz?
Both of the above?
Biden's more expendable?
Biden will make a few stupid comments, but Kerry may accidentally support Chinese claims to the East China Sea and Taiwan. In an off-the-cuff comment, of course.
Just watching the NATseez NBC, and Carrie Underwood demonstrates her utter lack of actin ability. Mrs. Almanian is forcing me.
I'll be killing myself shortly, so just wanted to say goodbye, and leave Joe Biden a message:
"Oh....God love ya!!"
AHAHAHA
http://twitter.com/braket/stat.....to/1/large
That is wonderful.
By the way, watching people throw a hissy fit over Bryan's death is the funniest thing in the world.
Go into that comment section on the linked page. I dare you.
They still make new episodes of Family Guy?
No, they just recut the first few seasons, recycling the jokes over and over.
I have never seen this show. Ever.
Now I'm more gladder...
I tried watching it once, and was nonplussed. It just wasn't funny.
Given that Brian was essentially MacFarlane's avatar/mouthpiece, him dying could only improve the show.
I find the new dog annoying and out of style comedy.
You mean all he does is spout poorly thought out liberal talking points to try and show how stupid conservatives are?
I just dont care anymore. Ill only watch the old episodes. Family Guy fan 2007-2013.
I'm sure he's aware that the old episodes really started in 2000.
That just went on my site...
Joe Biden is trying to steal the secret to porcelain and noodles. I predict a trade war soon.
Looking for something to do tonight?
Japan's biggest Werewolf Metal Band.
Apparently, there's more then one?
Japan's biggest Werewolf Metal Band.
Apparently, there's more then one?
Bushmills x Grado headphones are made from barrels no longer needed by the Irish distillery. Only $400.
Black Frances of the Pixies is now writing erotic literature.
MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM CAPTAIN PICARD
I wonder what he's ashamed of?
In all fairness, the owner is wearing Crocs.