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What if Thanksgiving Exposes the Government?

What if at every Thanksgiving liberty is weakened and the government is strengthened?


What if another Thanksgiving Day is upon us and because of the government we have less to be thankful for than we did at the last one? What if at every Thanksgiving liberty is weakened and the government is strengthened? What if Thanksgiving's warm and breezy seduction of gratitude is just the government's way of inducing us to think we should be grateful for it?

What if we don't owe the government any thanks for anything? What if the government owes us back all the freedom and property it has stolen from us? What if the government has produced nothing and owns nothing, save what it has coerced us to give it? What if the courts have ruled that the government can lie and cheat with impunity in order to acquire our property or assault our freedoms?

What if the government lies and cheats regularly to enhance its own wealth and power? What if the government claims that its power comes from the consent of the governed? What if no one consented to the government's spying and lying except those who personally and directly benefit from it?

What if the government is afraid to tell us all it is doing to us for fear we might vote it out of office? What if that vote would change nothing? What if the spying and lying continued no matter who ran the government? What if those who spy and lie don't lose their jobs no matter how they lie or upon whom they spy or who gets elected?

What if this holiday of turkey and football and family is the modern-day version of bread and circuses? What if bread and circuses—which Roman emperors gave to the mobs to keep them sated—_are just the government's way today of keeping us _sated at the end of every November? What if the government expects us to give thanks to it for letting us have Thanksgiving Day and Black Friday off?

What if the president thinks he's a king? What if he claims the power to kill people outside the Constitution? What if some of these people were your sisters or neighbors or friends? What if he thinks he's so smart that he knows what choices we should make? What if he makes those choices for us?

What if we each have the natural right to choose how to care for our own bodies, but he has used the coercive powers of the law to tell us how to do so? What if that law compelled all persons to pay for more health insurance than they needed or wanted or could afford? What if the president deceived dupes in Congress into voting for that law? What if the president deceived millions of Americans into supporting that law? What if the president forced you to pay for a health insurance policy that funded killing babies in their mothers' wombs?

What if the president knows what you want and need because his spies have captured your every telephone call, text and email? What if the Declaration of Independence says that our rights are personal, inalienable and come from God? What if the Constitution says that among our inalienable rights are the right to be left alone and the right to be different?

What if the president took an oath to uphold the Declaration and the Constitution but believes in neither? What if he believes that our rights come from the collective consent of our neighbors, whom he can influence, or, worse yet, from the government, which he can control? What if he believes that he can invade our right to be left alone by spying on us and lying to us and destroy our right to be different by killing us? What if he actually did all these things?

What if only individuals foolish enough to do so give up their own rights but cannot give up the rights of those of us who refuse to surrender them? What if the government can only constitutionally take away personal freedoms when a jury has convicted someone of a crime? What if the government thinks it can take our rights away by ordinary legislation or by presidential fiat? What if it has done so?

What if someone who once worked for the government knew all this and risked life and limb to tell us about it? What if the government at first denied that it lies to and spies upon all Americans? What if it demonized the whistle blower? What if it chased him to the ends of the Earth because he revealed awful truths? What if everything Edward Snowden revealed about the government turned out to be true?

What if it is the personal courage and constitutional fidelity of Edward Snowden for which we should be thankful? What if the government hates and fears our freedoms just as it hates and fears the revelation of the awful truths Snowden possesses?

What if our thanks are due primarily to the Author of our freedoms, who made us in His image and likeness, and to those who have exercised those freedoms to seek and reveal the truth? What if it is the truth, and not the government, that will keep us free?

What if we have the right to pursue happiness no matter what the government says? What if we have the right to be unique no matter what the government wants? What if the freedom to seek the truth will bring us happiness?

What if that freedom which is still ours is a just cause for a happy Thanksgiving, after all?

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  1. I think what freedom we have left is mostly because the government simply doesn’t care to take it. But it will get around to it eventually.

    1. Excellent way to make a significant point. I have tried to say the same thing before, but it typically takes me a thousand words to say it. People think they are free, because at this point the government doesn’t have a particular interest in interfering intolerably with their interests. At a certain point that will change and all the complacent people will feel the heel of the boot.

      1. At a certain point…

        March 23, 2010

      2. Im being thankful.. Google is paying 75$/hour! Just work for few hours & spend more time with friends and family. On sunday I bought themselves a Alfa Romeo from having made $5637 this month. its the best-job Ive ever had.It sounds unbelievable but you wont forgive yourself if you don’t check it out

    2. Government is limited by the snoop:civilian ratio. That ratio depends on how obstreperous citizens are, but even the most obsequious population has limits, and the more obedient, the less useful as snoops.

      But we can go further, I know we can, we are Muricans and we have inspirational faction leaders.

      1. We can use computers to keep the ratio down. Just keep it lower than it was withmStazi/east Germany, and no one will complain.

  2. What if that Taboola business was banned from reason? What if I remembered to drain the lines for my water feature before they froze? What if the Steelers hadn’t shit the bed the first part of the season? What if Jewish bullies had never picked on Hitler when he was a boy? What if Miley Cyrus never learned to twerk? What if gay bullies had never picked on Alec Baldwin when he was a boy? What if Tom Ford wasn’t getting enough to eat at home?

    1. What if goddammit I knew I had typed Tom instead of Rob but still failed to correct it before posting?

      1. That is the world I so very much want to live in…

  3. What if reason barred Andrew Napolitano from using question marks?

    1. “What if the government wasn’t cool!”

  4. What if James T. Kirk had been arrested for pot possession before trying to join the Federation?

  5. What if there were no AM Links on Thanksgiving?

    1. Can’t Reason get a Canadian affiliate to post the AM links on Thanksgiving? I mean, I’d volunteer if I knew anything about how they post stories on

      1. Agreed. And clearly Fist knows how they post stories on Maybe he can post a story about how they post stories? Then enterprising Canadians could help us out today. And for Christmas, I’m sure there are a few Atheists or Jehovah’s Witnesses who could hold down the fort.

        1. If anyone asks, I’ll be doing this this holiday weekend

      2. Isn’t Feeney in the UK?

  6. Let me just toss some chum into the waters:

    “…declaring Thanksgiving Day a formal holiday on the fourth Thursday in November required a pair of presidents — two of the most famous, in fact.

    “Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt….

    “”[Lincoln is] the father of the whole idea of a nation giving thanks for its advantages and privileges of living in a democracy like this,” said Harold Holzer, historian and chairman of the Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Foundation.”…..t/3685975/

    1. Lincoln’s thanksgiving proclamation from 150 years ago:


      1. Was that before or after he started buying up land around his pending cross-country fun ride?

    2. And the original Thanksgiving featured a time traveling James T. Kirk serving deep dish pizza to circumcised Pilgrims, right?

      *ducks and runs from room*

      1. Yes and Squanto taught Wesley and the Traveller how to make artisanal mayonnaise in the back of their X-wing.

    3. Yo, fuck Lincoln and all Roosevelt presidents.

  7. I can be thankful for what I have, whilst simultaneously wary of government encroachments on liberty and angry about where they already have intruded….c’mon Mr. N, they are not mutually exclusive.

  8. I’m thankful for Lobster Girl, Lucy and Kennedy. For different Reasons, eh?

    Happy ‘murcan Thanksgiving, Reasonoids. Belated Happy Canuckistanian Thanksgiving, eh? Reasonoids.

    1. What do Canadians celebrate and when?

      1. Thanksgiving usually mid October area.

        1. But not celebrating the Pilgrims and Indians in Yankeeland, I suppose?

          1. They celebrate the harvest, eh.

            1. I heard it was combined celebration: the invention or Molson’s, the premiere of Sgt. Preston of the Yukon, and the immigration of the United Empire Loyalists from the U.S.

              1. “Sorry, loyalists, you lost the United States, but as a consolation prize, you get…show them what they won, Vanna…this beautiful frozen wilderness! With miles and miles of snow as far as they eye can see! And we’re just giving it away! Plus this sled, and a free set of snow tires, for the time when cars are invented!”

                1. skates bud and belmont cigarettes

              2. Seems they are playing down the celebration of the Mounties uniform designer, eh?

                1. There’s also the combined Maple Syrup and Lumberjack festival.

                  1. As long as the treaty stays intact between lumber jacks and sugar shanty operators to not cut down maple trees in return for all the maple syrup they can drink, these festivals will continue to be a mainstay of Canadian life.

                    1. These boys get that syrup in ’em, they get all antsy in their pantsy.

                    2. We’re goin’ to Canada for some French fries and gravy, sir.

                  2. Every day is a lumberjack festival in Canada, eh.

          2. I’m not sure, but I think it is just a general celebration of a plentiful harvest. We just want to be like the US but without historical significance.

    2. Fuckin eh right bud!

      1. That’s Pittsburghese.

  9. This would probably be better for a Christmas thread, but I thought I’d belatedly respond to the “no room at the inn” jibes about the British B&B owners who were sued for “discriminating” against a gay couple.

    Hearing the comments, I at first thought they came to the house and got thrown out into the snow (or rain) because they were a same-sex couple. But the Daily Mail has this:

    “The Bulls had accepted an ?80-a-night double room booking, believing Steven Preddy, 38, would be staying with his wife.

    “But when Mr Preddy arrived with his 46-year-old civil partner Martyn Hall, the men, from Bristol, were told they would not be able to share one room and instead had to sleep separately.”

    Though this may have been dealt with as a breach of contract (depending on the express or implied contract terms), it wasn’t forcing the couple to sleep in their cars.…..ation.html

    1. Do (non-sexual) friends never share a hotel room in England?

      1. Sure, but if they are making a habit of advertising their sexual bond to all who may see, they might be viewed as more than just friends.

        1. Oh meh gawd they’re wearing matching rings on their fingers!


          That’s just as tiresome an argument now as it was in the early 2000s when it was a common talking point.

          1. So you just hate individual choice. Fine, do it on your own land. BTW, their land is not your land.

            1. That’s a big jump there AA, but you like making big jumps to make the people you argue with look bad. I specifically responded to your apish comment:

              “they are making a habit of advertising their sexual bond to all who may see”

              which just happens to be a retarded anti-gay talking point from the early 2000s. Nobody ever talks about straight weddings, going on dates or holding hands being “advertising their sexual bond” but like people with in-laws who rage against state marriage as soon as gays start getting them, assholes seem to suddenly find sex in every action as soon as the subject is gay.

              The Bulls should be perfectly able to set the rules for their business, but they shouldn’t be able to make reservations without notifying the couple of possibly disqualifying rules and then dropping them at the last moment.

              1. Actually, I do object to all public displays of affection, straight or gay or bi or whatever.

    2. believing Steven Preddy, 38, would be staying with his wife

      If knowing his guest’s intimate sleeping arrangements is so important to him, maybe he should have asked.

      1. Actually they were as married as legally possible according to the UK. They were civil partners. The couple claims (and the claims were accepted by the court) that the B&B has a no unmarried couples sharing a room policy, but that Hazel Bull had neglected to inform them of that when they booked because she wasn’t feeling well at the time.

        From a Guardian article a few years back:
        “[Hazel Bull] explained that she took Preddy’s booking over the telephone when she was ill and so failed to explain the hotel’s policy.”

        1. (Who books a room by telephone anymore…?!)

          1. *raises hand….drops head in shame*

            1. *sideways squint* OK…

              But I hope you don’t suffer any marital status-based hi-jinx as a result.

  10. Rol lthat beautiful bean footage

    1. oh come on! Now you’re just getting lazy!

  11. Have a Bob Dylan Thanksgiving!
    Yes, there is a bit of Dylan giving thanks in it, just a bit.

  12. Excitement about uranium-235 as coal and oil competitor circa 1939 and 1940

    The process of combustion in the case of the U-235, he added, is, atom for atom, 100,000,000 times as effective as is the case in the combustion of coal. However, as the atomic weight of the uranium is 235, compared with 16 for the oxygen and 12 for the carbon, there are fewer uranium atoms for a given weight than there are oxygen and carbon atoms. This reduces the energy relations of the U-235, compared with coal, to a ratio of 5,000,000 to 1.

    (Laurence, William L., Vast Power Source in Atomic Energy Opened by Science, New York Times, May 7, 1940, P. 51)


    As matters stand we are not likely to spend centuries in accumulating the necessary uranium-235. By the time we had it so much would be known about the structure of matter that easier means of developing power from the atom would have been discovered. Accordingly, this department has decided to place the usual order for coal to be shot into the cellar, and preparing itself for the usual task of shoveling expensive black lumps into a hungry furnace.

    (Kaempffert, Waldemar, Science in the News: Atomic Power?Not Yet, The New York Times, May 12, 1940)

    1. I was immensely curious about the abrupt turnaround in such a short period of time from the same publication. The mystery was solved when I found out that Germany’s push west into the Low Countries and France started on May 10, 1940. Based on the expressed concerns that Germany might be actively pursuing the technology, it’s possible that the discouragement was motivated by something other than telling the complete truth.

      It seems quite apparent that if the fission chain reaction had been discovered just a few years earlier or later, nuclear energy history would not have been defined by explosives?but by steady, controllable, non-coal power produced in simple piles, designed to turn heat into useful power in ways similar to those used to turn coal combustion heat into useful power.

      1. “Oops, nothing to see here, Hans, sorry to get your hopes up.

        “(in a whisper – hurry up with that Manhattan Project, you eggheads!)”

        1. The New York Times, Doing the Administration’s Bidding Since 1940?

  13. What if, when a cop asked you where you were going and whom you were going to see, and you told him, “None of your fucking beeswax, dummy,” he got back in his car and drove away instead of tasing you?

    1. Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    2. Wait, you’re commenting on the article, aren’t you?

      Well, what if a cop smelled marijuana in your car after pulling you over, and said, “wow, man, that’s my favorite kind! Can we exchange recipes?”

  14. It’s good to see the MSNBC Obamapologist Cadre hard at work on a holiday morning.

    Thankful for the Total Security State, I guess.

    1. I had to change the channel after 10 minutes of their yammering about teathuglicans and abortion.

      1. there is a new one out there. This weekend I was called, despite no evidence that I have any allegiance whatsoever to any tea party group, a “Teahadist”. Very clever, for somebody stupid enough to believe in the Marxism Bunny.

  15. Happy Turkey Day (we’re having pheasant) Reasonoids.

    I must say I am dissapoint in the Google Thanksgiving message. (Spoiler alert) I really thought the turkey was going to end up on the table. A vegetarian Thanksgiving dinner…really?

    1. Were you expecting even a minuscule speck of normalcy in a Google message? [That would be shocking.]

      Happy Thanksgiving (we’re having General Tso’s chicken) Francisco.

      1. I thought that was for Christmas? No wait, that is duck for Christmas in Indiana.

        We are having ham and turkey. Watching my Chinese in-laws work on it as I type.

        1. It’s like “A Christmas Story” early!

    2. Happy Thanksgiving all! Here’s to hoping for more freedom next year

      We’re having sausage and veggies (leaving to camp in Sonoma shortly)

    3. I’m half yank (dual citizen) so I decided I will make something special for thanksgiving up here in Canada. Not very conventional but I don’t have the time to cook a bird and I like Italian food so I’m making veal parmigiana.

      Enough About Palin posted the recipe yesterday in the AM links so we’ll see if he knows what he’s doing. His post was in reply to shreek so it could be a trojan horse. We’ll see.

    4. Happy thanksgiving to all reasonoids. Turkey, ham, mac n cheese, collared greens, corn, stuffing, hot links, pumpkin pie, lemon cake. Raiders versus the cowtoys. And bourbon, lots of bourbon.

      Well, it’s time to go to the in-laws and start hanging Christmas lights. Hope I don’t fall off the roof.

      1. Turkey (stuffed with stuffing), ham, green beans, mashed tatoes, my mom’s famous pumpkin pie (make with dark karo syrup – I’m spoiled for anything else).

        It’s gonna be good.

        Christmas lights tomorrow.

  16. What if?
    What if the sun refused to shine?
    What if the clouds refused to rain?
    What if the wind refused to blow?
    What if the seas refused to wave?
    What if the world refused to turn?
    What if the stars would hesitate?
    What if, what is isn’t true?
    What are you going to do?
    What if, what is isn’t you?
    What if…
    our favorite judge has been listening
    to the Smashing Pumpkins
    with his Sony Walkman

    1. The answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind. Not smashin’ punkins.

  17. Kara’s water just broke. We’re on our way to the hospital now.

    Sorry Brett. I win!

    Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. Have a wonderful day with your loved ones.

    1. Sweet!

      Happy Thanksgiving!

    2. Wow!

      I hope all goes well

    3. Good luck, sloopyinca.

    4. Good luck!

    5. Born on the rarest of days, the Hanukkah/Thanksgiving day, the great libertarian sloopyincarnate came to be. A day forever cherished, the day the tides of liberty began to rise.

      1. Funny you say that, seeing as this one’s name is going to be Liberty.

        1. It must be some sort of sign, it has to be. Congrats sloop!

    6. W00t! Congrats. Hope everything goes smoothly.

    7. Congrats sloop and banjos and welcome baby Liberty!

    8. Jesus, another one?

      1. Somebody’s got to do the heavy lifting for the next gen of libertarians.

    9. Wow goodluck and congrats!

  18. Happy Thanksgiving to my American cousins who quietly tolerate my presence on these fine threads.

    1. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

      Prizing liberty is borderless.

  19. what if we have the right to pursue happiness no matter what the government says?

    Now you’re being ridiculous.

    1. You may pursue your happiness in opposition to government’s wishes if you’re either:

      A) Skilled at hiding things from the government


      B) Don’t mind being violently murdered or tossed into a rape cage for the rest of your life

  20. Just slightly off topic; I would like to see one President in my lifetime with the sense to decapitate the White House turkey.

    1. Judging from the mugs shots of the various condemned turkeys over the years it would be one helluva a tasty bird.

    2. Apparently this shit started with George HW Bush. I thought it was an old-timey thing.

    3. In cold blood…

      Chop it and state back at the TV while drinking the blood Ozzy style.

      That would be so awesome. Imagine the trauma it would cause to a generation of people.

  21. And they wonder why I don’t give them any money.

    Job hunting online recently from his home in Pennsylvania, John Kichi received something of a shock when he came upon an opening at Colorado College. An optional question seeking gender information listed five choices: Not disclosed. Male. Female. Transgender.

    And the fifth ? Queer.

    “I couldn’t believe it. I thought I was going to have a stroke,” Kichi said. “It’s totally from the Dark Ages.”

    Kichi said he thought someone may have been punking him or that the school’s website had been hacked. But it turned out the school willfully includes the designation on all of its applications.

    And despite being in a community filled with many conservative religious entities, Colorado College officials believe they have nothing to apologize for.

    1. That’s because, in the PC vernacular, queer is no longer a derogatory term for gay. Now its an umbrella term for sexual and gender minorities that are not heterosexual, heteronormative, or gender-binary.

      I guess someone will be along to rescue nigger and kike any day now.

      1. Hey, what about wop and chink?

        1. You must have missed Nigger Wetback Chink: The Race Play when it came through your town.

          This play, part of the SPEAK Theater Arts, LLC company’s repertoire, uses a combination of theater, stand-up comedy, hip hop, slam poetry, and real-life stories to take on racial slurs, stereotypes and the concept of race itself.

          1. Yes. I did. But now I’ve been found by the Lord.

            1. Found by the Lord? In Canada?

              You are truly blessed…:)

              Happy Belated Canadian Thanksgiving, Rufus!

    2. So they’re obviously using the question to make hiring decisions. Yeah, that doesn’t open you up to all sorts of lawsuits.

  22. “I’m proud to work for a school that doesn’t just talk the talk, we walk it, too,” said Barbara Wilson, the college’s director of human resources. “In the midst of the volume of conservatism in this city, we’re almost a safe haven.”

    As far as Colorado College is concerned, using the term on applications is “intended to represent the college’s commitment to and acknowledgment of diversity related to gender,” according to a statement from the school. “Colorado College is very much committed to diversity, and is very open about sexual orientation.”

    I wonder if it ever occurred to any of those fucking geniuses to eliminate “gender” from their job applications entirely. You know, in an attempt to make a truly gender-blind selection based strictly on actual qualifications. But that wouldn’t allow them to stroke their highly evolved egos by bellowing about how advanced their consciousnesses are compared to the sloping-forehead troglodytes with whom they graciously share the world.

    1. To be impartial they must know your gender before hiring you. It is the only way to be sure they can hire to the gender diversity level they are partial to.

      See how impartial this is Brooks?

      1. Claiming to be impartial means you’re not being impartial.

        1. Partial to impartiality?

  23. Even so, Kichi, a gay man who said he’s lost jobs and homes because of his sexual orientation, said the term is insulting.

    “If them including it on applications isn’t against the law, it should be,” he said.

    It’s self-obsessed douchebags all the way down.

  24. I hope the damn Raiders do the Eagles a favor and beat the Cowboys today.

    1. I hope the damn Raiders do the Eagles America a favor and beat the Cowboys today.

      I fixed that for you. Nothing better than the Cowboys losing in Dallas.

      1. Nothing better than the Cowboys losing in Dallas.


  25. This play, part of the SPEAK Theater Arts, LLC company’s repertoire, uses a combination of theater, stand-up comedy, hip hop, slam poetry, and real-life stories to take on racial slurs, stereotypes and the concept of race itself.

    I fear this is not satire.

  26. What if some self-righteous federal judge waxed eloquent about “the natural right to choose how to care for [one’s] own body” and yet STILL had the unmitigated gall to call those women who determine that an abortion is the right decision for their family and themselves “a baby-killer”?

    Could it be that self-professed freedom-lovers like Napolitano actually don’t care too much about freedom in general, but merely the “freedom” to do the things that HE likes to do (and not the “freedom” for other people to do things that HE does not like them to do)? What if this entire op-ed is nothing more than a partisan bloviation by one who should know better?

  27. Well, the government has already been exposed, and people already know all of this to be true. What if they didn’t care?

  28. until I looked at the check which was of $4814, I be certain that…my… mom in-law could actually bringing home money in there spare time on-line.. there aunt started doing this for under 20 months and at present cleared the debts on their appartment and got a top of the range Ford Mustang. why not try this out


  29. until I looked at the check which was of $4814, I be certain that…my… mom in-law could actually bringing home money in there spare time on-line.. there aunt started doing this for under 20 months and at present cleared the debts on their appartment and got a top of the range Ford Mustang. why not try this out


  30. Im thankful for Libertarians, because at least we can scream at the wall that is the american public together

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