British Spy Chiefs Appear Before MPs, Sound Like American Counterparts


Today the heads of British security agencies MI5, MI6, and GCHQ were questioned by the Intelligence and Security Committee, something that usually occurs in private.
During the hearing MI5 Director General Andrew Parker claimed that 34 terrorist plots have been disrupted since the 2005 bombings in London, MI6 chief Sir John Sawers said that "our adversaries were rubbing their hands with glee," and GCHQ Director Sir Iain Lobban told the committee that "We don't want to delve into innocent emails and phone calls," and that some people being monitored have discussed different ways to communicate since Snowden's leaks.
Of course, similar sorts of justifications and complaints relating to surveillance have been heard before on this side of the Atlantic. NSA chief Gen. Keith Alexander claimed that surveillance programs have prevented "dozens" of terrorist attacks. President Obama said that "at least fifty" plots had been averted thanks to surveillance, a claim that is backed up with little evidence.
Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) and Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R.Ga.) have claimed that terrorists have been changing their behavior since the leaks, a claim not unlike the one made by Lobban.
The hearing in the U.K. comes in the wake of a number of controversies surrounding the British intelligence community that have emerged since the publication of Edward Snowden's revelations.
Earlier this week the British ambassador in Berlin was summoned by the German foreign ministry after reporting, based in part on Snowden's revelations, emerged alleging that the British had been using its embassy to spy on the German government.
Snowden's leaked information also revealed information on the Tempora program run by GCHQ, which allows the agency to access personal data online, as explained by Philip Bump at The Atlantic:
Working closely with America's National Security Agency, the GCHQ is about halfway done implementing "Project Tempora." Comprised of two parts, suggestively dubbed "Mastering the Internet" and "Global Telecoms Exploitation," the project aims to eventually allow the agency (and its partner) to survey over 90 percent of the cables that route through the United Kingdom, pulling data from 400 at once. "As of last year," the Guardian reports, "the agency had gone half way, attaching probes to 200 fibre-optic cables each with a capacity of 10 gigabits per second. In theory, that gave GCHQ access to a flow of 21.6 petabytes in a day, equivalent to 192 times the British Library's entire book collection." Full content of transmissions is preserved for three days andmetadata for 30. Between them, the GCHQ and NSA have 550 analysts poring over the data — and 850,000 people with top secret clearance can access it. We've known for weeks that the NSA shares its PRISM data with the UK; now we know it also goes in reverse.
Read more from Reason.com on the NSA and Edward Snowden here and here.
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We are so hard on the heels of the Brits - we SO want to go back to the womb, and be JUST LIKE THEM again!
We won't stop until we're well and truly fucked by our Federal Overlords. Boy, that'll be a great day...
You remember another German the Brits spied on...
Can we get that photo compared to the NSA headQ/parking lot?
It will be part of the H&R Intelligence Unit interview. Show the photos, then ask =
"Theirs is a circle. Ours is a square. Question = whose intelligence agency parks more cars?
You have 2 minutes to reply."
Fort Meade by a factor of 10+
Gotta be the squayah.
Circle gets the square.
/Peter Marshall
An example of what I mean =
NSA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....e_982w.jpg
The limey version =
http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com...../large.jpg
What I was looking for was a quick analytical response which allows a potential intelligence recruit to solve the question of car-park capacity in a simple algorithmic way.
Sorta like the "how many ping pong balls can we fit in this room" question they do @ consulting firm interviews.
Have you guys never done this type of thing? just curious.
And with this we'll be seeing a new release of embarrassing British spying disclosures any second now.
Seriously. MI5 and MI6 have so many historic fuckups, I wouldn't be surprised if their heads were also working for Al Qaeda.
"Later on in the hearing that day, Daniel Craig was brought before the Committee to answer questions about whether he actually had a license to kill."
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT TIMOTHY DALTON.
DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT GEORGE LAZENBY
*Lazen-Bond cries and hold his dead wife, like the puss that he is*
Dude...it was Diana Rigg. Cut the guy a little slack.
and that some people being monitored have discussed different ways to communicate since Snowden's leaks.
I have discussed different way to communicate since Snowden's leaks too. How long before my very own personalized SWAT raid?
3,2,1...
"The spyyyyyy who lovvvvvvvvvvved meeeeee...."
*dances around the room in lilting fashion*
"Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) and Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R.Ga.) have claimed that terrorists have been changing their behavior since the leaks, a claim not unlike the one made by Lobban."
So that means the program is no longer effect and should be discontinued, right??
Rogers represents my district. My wife knew him from high school. Yeah - he's a dick. Go figure.
What was the question?
So that means the program is no longer effect and should be discontinued, right??
"Er, make that: 'We *know* that terrorists have been changing their behavior since the leaks.' This fact shows that the program is extremely effective and should be increased."
So that means the program is no longer effect and should be discontinued, right??
No, efforts should be redoubled!
The emperor is not as forgiving as I am...
Both men know this because they personally know terrorists who have told them so. Why they hang out with terrorists is beyond me. I thought that was illegal.