Police Abuse

Surveillance Video of Dallas Police Shooting Contradicts Police Report on Incident: "Obviously there is much more to this situation than that video"

Cops say mentally ill man had a knife


said not to call 911, called 911

Officer Carden Spencer of the Dallas Police Department shot Bobby Gerald Bennett outside Bennett's home in the middle of the day on Monday. A police report on the incident claimed Bennett was walking toward Spencer and his partner and raised a knife "in an aggressive manner" before being shot, but surveillance video from a neighbor's house (embedded below) shows Bennett rolling away from the cops prior to being shot.

Bennett had been arguing with his mother earlier in the day, according to the Dallas Morning News. She said she called 911 for help with her son, who is mentally ill. The same neighbor whose surveillance video caught the shooting advised her against calling police, but she says she didn't hear him. The mother says she was told "special-trained officers" would be sent out, but the police report says Spencer and his partner were responding to a call about a man wielding a knife. The report also claims Bennett told cops they were "gonna need more officers out here." Spencer says when Bennett then began to move toward him and his partners, he was in fear for their safety and fired four rounds. Bennett remains in intensive care at the hospital. An attorney for Spencer dismissed the contradictions between the report and the video, saying that the "facts and circumstances known to Officer Spencer at the time completely justify his actions," and that "obviously there is much more to this situation than that video."

That video below:

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  1. That’s murder, straight up.

    1. Not yet.

      Bennett remains in intensive care at the hospital.

      1. Fair enough. Attempted murder.

        1. Must have been out of rounds.

    2. Is it not possible to aim at the foot or some other body part somewhat distant from the vital organs?

      1. Is it not possible to not fucking aim your gun at all until your are acted against?

        Fuck these assholes.

        1. ^^^This^^^

          There was no reason for them to point their guns at him to begin with. Obviously we don’t know what he was saying to them, and he may have said something to give them pause and have their guns ready/unholstered.

          But the irony with this is that they’ve proven to be untrustworthy and therefore we can’t trust anything they say about their conversation.

          1. There was no reason for them to point their guns at him to begin with.

            If he had a knife in his hand, there was. Whether he did or didn’t seems to be unclear.

            1. Wrong. Low ready position at that distance, at best. A taser or just plain talking to him would have been far more appropriate than even aiming a firearm at him.

      2. If you shoot, you shoot to kill. This isn’t The Lone Ranger.

        That said, it’s pretty hard to discern a reason to shoot, here.

        1. He didn’t obey a lawful command. What other choice did they have?

          1. At least they were able to go home safely. Officer safety is paramount, you know.

          2. Ah yes. Failure to obey. Thats a good reason to shoot someone.
            You do uderstand that at the time those cops decided to commit murder, they were in no actual or even remotely perceivable immediate danger? Maybe if the victim had made a move to throw the alleged knife at the criminals with the guns standing 30 feet away, they might have a defence.

      3. I guess I should have prefaced my comment.

        Yes, this is pure murder.

        I was reflecting in a general way, thinking about all the police shootings we read about.

        1. Although I would disagree a bit with the Elf.

          Hypothetically, someone coming at you with a knife, you are cornered, life definitely threatened, no effective weapon but a gun. I would still consider trying to stop the guy with a shot which is not fatal.

          1. Then you’re a fucking moron. No offense.

            1. No offense taken. I’ve never been in law enforcement or thought much about shooting people. Just thought it might be possible and if so, a good idea.

              1. Unfortunately as a citizen if you do not shoot to kill they can make the case you did not really fear for your life since you had time to take careful aim to incapacitate. Same thing with warning shots. Don’t draw your weapon unless you plan on killing.

                1. It’s all hypothetical, but as a citizen, I would definitely say I tried to shoot him in the chest, I’m just a shitty shot.

                  1. Assuming he didn’t cut your throat after you only wounded him, of course.

                    1. Of course

              2. Go to the range and see how hard it is to shoot something the size of a leg.

                And also, remember that a shot to the leg is not necessarily not-lethal. We all have some pretty big veins there.

                1. It’s artery shots that kill, not veins.

                  1. See: Sean Taylor (amazing that it’s just now coming to trial)

                  2. This is some pretty severe pedantry.

          2. Essentially, you need to aim for center of mass. It’s not to kill them, it’s to stop them. And of course, there’s a study on how much ground someone with a knife could cover before you could draw and fire (it’s 21′, I believe, which, of course, is where a good number of CPL drills would be done).

            A knife can cause a *lot* of bad things — if you need to fire, center of mass to stop someone with a knife is the right idea.

            Just, don’t shoot someone for disrespect of cop, or reaching for a cell phone, or not obeying contradictory commands, or any of the other number of things they shoot for.

            1. yeah, I can see your (and Elf’s) point. That’s interesting about the 21 feet. In this case, the cops had already drawn, right? I would imagine that would reduce the ground covered to less than 10 feet.

              1. It’s something covered in CPL courses, generally. Someone with a knife can cover 20 or 21 feet, I forget, quicker than you can draw and fire.

                I haven’t checked this one close enough.

                It’s mostly just a matter of (for everyone, cops and non-cops alike), you don’t shoot to wound or kill, you shoot to make the target not be a threat. Throw in some adrenaline, and you really don’t want to try to aim for a leg or something.

                And even if you do, you don’t want cops using that as a punishment for not obeying (“hands up, or I’ll blow your foot off!”). And if you’re (cop or not) trying to stop someone from attacking you, you don’t want them suing for “you blew off my foot and crippled me!” You want them not to be a threat. Center of mass, that makes them not a threat. Whether by shock, death, or sudden realization of a better way of life.

                1. Someone with a knife can cover 20 or 21 feet, I forget, quicker than you can draw and fire.

                  Mythbuster’s covered it. About 16-20 ft, give or take a few. Although I think prefer 20 ft or more, just to have a little wiggle room. And if you watch the video closely, you’ll see that even at 24 ft, Jaime’s momentum could have easily carried into Adam enough to still stab him.

      4. What? Officer safety! He was coming right at them! Pay no attention to the film! Why do you hate the children?

    3. How can you possibly expect cops to do their jobs when citizens are just walking around in front of their own houses?

      1. Or rolling around in office chairs?

        1. Or asleep in bed? Or sitting in a rocking chair enjoying old age?

          1. Or watching TV enjoying being an elementary school girl?

            1. Or sitting on the roof enjoying a cucumber.

  2. An honest question: Is there any situation in which police will not justify a shooting? I’m at the point where I believe that an officer could walk up behind somebody, put a gun to the back of their head and pull the trigger (in full view of multiple eyewitnesses and cameras), claim that they felt threatened, and receive support from their union.

    1. I’m at that point as well.

    2. Not quite. That BART cop did almost what you describe (though he may have done it accidentally), and he got convicted, but only served two (?) years.

      But yeah, if there was no video evidence and “unreliable” eyewitnesses, they could basically do that.

      1. You missed Andrew’s point. If you recall, Mehserle had the full support of the union and every cop out there for what he did on the BART platform. The FOP is even petitioning to have the conviction overturned on the grounds that Mehserle did kill Grant, but that it was an accident brought on by Grant’s own actions.

        The bastards want him to get his job back!

        1. OK, I see his point now. I guess my point was that they’re not completely immune at this point, but they’re doing everything in their power (especially the unions) to basically make them immune.

          1. They are immune. A couple outliers do not a statistical trend make.

            1. Epi didn’t say there was a statistical trend. He said they aren’t “completely immune”.

              The exceptions, ie., actual cases where there is a conviction, make his point.

              If a team goes 1-99 on the season, you can’t say they lost every game.

              But you can say they have a really shitty record.

          2. I’ve always, well over the last decade anyway, wondered how these unions don’t see how their unwillingness to let cleary bad apples get punished and/or fired. With private unions I understand, because public opinion plays a far smaller role in the overall equation. But with public employees, especially law enforcement, I’d think they’d be more sensitive to how this makes them look, and the possible (albeit future) effects on their ability to garner support for higher expenditures, etc….

            1. One of the remarkable features about unions (and governments, too) is how unable they are to plan ahead or be forward-looking. Because of the nature of the officials involved, they are always in a “get mine NOW” mode and want to get as much as possible as soon as possible, because they will not be in this position forever. This leads to them invariably acting in a way which has no interest in the future.

              1. This is probably more along the lines of what I’ve seen. I’d just think that police unions would be more sensitive to public opinion, not less.

                I understand sarcasmic’s view, but I’m not convinced that it’s not simply a more militaristic version of the typical union gestapo play-book.

            2. But with public employees, especially law enforcement, I’d think they’d be more sensitive to how this makes them look

              They are. That’s why they never admit to any wrongdoing. When they fight tooth and nail, and eventually get the guy cleared, the general public believes the cops didn’t do anything wrong.

              If cops and unions (government in general) ever admitted fault, then the general public might lose faith.

              Without that faith it’s hard for government to claim to have the consent of the governed.

              As it is, only a small subset of the general public has dealt with cops for something other than a speeding ticket, and even many of them will still make excuses for inexcusable behavior.

              1. Well, maybe Epsiarch can chime in about the situation in Seattle, which is my hometown, although I currently live overseas.

                But, correct me if I’m wrong, but public opinion against the police there is pretty doggone high. And as I remember it, it was because the police wouldn’t admit to any wrong-doign by their officers and when they were caught, like here, albeit more than once, public opinion plummeted, causing the city to ask the Feds to investigate the department.

                Again, I need some confirmation/correction to the way I re-call this, since I wasn’t actually there during this period.

            3. You have a combination of an entitled pubsec union worker and a person who would seek out a position of power and a monopoly on violence over others. Of course their response is always going to tend to “protecting the shield” and expanding their group’s power over the “civilians”. It ensures power a whole lot better than playing nice and pointing out your own (collective) deficiencies.

              The same goes for those drawn to politics, government bureaucracy and beastiality.

              1. You could be right, but personally I see the same stance taken by almost all employees unions. I’m guessing most people here, like me, have been in union and non-union jobs and the stance taken by the union is always to fight tooth and nail to save employees from any punishment, whether they deserve it or not.

              2. “and beastiality.”

                FUCK YOU!!!

                /Joe Pile

    3. The King’s Men don’t make mistakes.

  3. An attorney for Spencer dismissed the contradictions between the report and the video, saying that the “facts and circumstances known to Officer Spencer at the time completely justify his actions,” and that “obviously there is much more to this situation than that video.”

    Did that video camera take an oath?!? Well, did it?!? I don’t think so! And these fine officers did! So who are you going to believe, a camera or these fine officers?!?

    1. Obviously the neighbors edited the video in order to falsely accuse this fine officer.

  4. :::gropes for SHOCKED face::: Shot by cops for aggressive manner.

  5. If the guy had a gun maybe. But how is a guy with a knife 20-30 feet away an immediate threat.

    1. And just standing there. Perhaps the pigs were concerned that if he started moving they wouldn’t have a nice stationary target to shoot at. Animals.

      The thing that sucks is, someday the proles are going to stop putting up with getting shot by cops for no reason.

    2. 20-30 feet away, standing still, with his arms at his sides.

    3. Fox Force Five

      1. Ketchup!

      2. Danger 5

    4. There are aspects of this that are known only to Officer Spencer. You’re just going to have to trust that.

      1. He’s a reader. Sees into the truth of things; might see trouble before it’s coming.

        “Do you know what the definition of a hero is?”

    5. We have seen cases where a dangerous guy can pretty quickly close distance on a couple of cops. I remember being a bit alarmed at how fast that guy who beheaded the soldier in england closed in on the cops who arrived on the scene.

      But still. But still.

      A guy rolling backwards in a wheelchair, even if he displayed a knife, it’s fine for the cops to draw their guns so if he starts to rush them (which Bennett clearly didn’t do) so they disable him.

      The concept of totality of circs does have validity– it just doesn’t always move in the officer’s favor. In this case, the totality of circs suggest a couple of cops need to get fired. Especially because they lied on their report.

      1. They need to get more than fired. What they did was criminal.

      2. I get that if they’re coming up on a guy with a knife at 20-30 feet, they shouldn’t be required to have their guns in their holsters. I can see having their guns trained on the guy. Shooting the guy while he stands there with his arms at his side, well, not so much.

      3. Seems like if you are wearing body armor and have a taser, you have an option of using less lethal options on a single assailant.

        1. Yeah, I just don’t get it. Cops are supposed to serve and protect, which means taking increased tactical risk to avoid unnecessary loss of life, even for the ‘perp’. This officer safety bullshit has become so paramount, they’ll just shoot through a wave of children if things “known only to Officer Spencer” justify his actions.

          1. Not according to the courts:

            In Warren v. District of Columbia, and later Castle Rock v. Gonzales, both the DC Court of Appeals and SCOTUS, respectively, have determined that police have no duty to protect or defend civilians.

            There is a reason they are now called Law Enforcement Officers instead of Peace Officers.

          2. Yes, serve and protect, but whom? The answer, of course is themselves and their masters in government, not the riff-raff, much less the ‘perp.’

  6. Well this will certainly result in a drop in the number of 911 calls, thus proving that our communities have become safer.

    1. No. Unfortunately, most people won’t learn that lesson until it’s too late.

      I’ve had to call police (the non-emergency line) a couple of times in my adult life. Both were because my car had been broken into and I needed a police report for insurance purposes. I hated having to do that.

      1. Yup. I had to call when my apartment got robbed. I was sure to tell them I had already made sure the robbers were gone so they wouldn’t come rolling in hot. It took 2.5 hours for them to show up since there was no one to shoot.

        1. In that 2.5 hours, they were trying to determine if you had any pets, so that it was worth showing up to shoot something. Finally, they reluctantly arrived, not knowing yet if you had a dog. The officers had a sad.

          1. No dog at the time. So I guess from their point of view they chose poorly. But totality of circs they did the best they could.

            1. I just realized what the NSA is really doing. They are compiling a list of dog owners.

          2. There’s a reason that, the time my car was broken into in front of my house, I waited outside for the officer to get there, so they wouldn’t see my dog when they knocked on the door.

  7. She said she called 911 for help with her son, who is mentally ill. The same neighbor whose surveillance video caught the shooting advised her against calling police, but she says she didn’t hear him. The mother says she was told “special-trained officers” would be sent out


    I’m glad to see regular folks are catching onto the whole, “Yeah, don’t call 911 if you want ‘help'”.

    The cops continue to lose the population.

    1. Yeah, don’t call 911 if you want ‘help’.

      Well, we’re nowhere near the tipping point yet. The middle class will continue to fool themselves that negative consequences which happen to other middle class people are honest mistakes, or isolated incidents or something. Until it’s too late.

      1. Nothing will ever change until a member of the ruling elite has a kid get killed by a renegade cop. Nothing. Because in this day and age, almost everyone out there is committing a manufactured crime at some time during the day, so the default position is to accept the “fact” that the cops are doing good by ridding those who don’t respect the law.

        If only this guy’s name were Kennedy or Clinton or Bush and he was connected. Then, maybe, we’d have a national conversation about police brutality against “civilians”.

        1. Well, hell, even the pigs raiding and puppyciding a mayor‘s house didn’t make Big National News, though it did make the po-po have to report their SWAT use to the state (MD) every year. Fat lot of good that does, though. PG County is still a corrupt shithole.

          1. +1 Che Calvo

            Yeah, but Berwyn Heights is a town of 3,000 people. Mayor of podunk is nowhere near ruling elite status.

  8. “obviously there is much more to this situation than that video.”

    I like how even video doesn’t deter these guys.

    1. “obviously there is much more to this situation than that video.”

      Yes, there is still a healthy dose of bald-faced lying.

    2. The truth is irrelevent if you lie long enough. Slick Willy taught us that.

      1. And Obama has mastered the technique.

        1. “I am not spying on Americans.”
          “I am not killing civilians with drones.”
          “I have not sent US ground troops to (wherever).”

  9. An attorney for Spencer dismissed the contradictions between the report and the video, saying that the “facts and circumstances known to Officer Spencer at the time completely justify his actions,” and that “obviously there is much more to this situation than that video.”

    How these animals ever got this phrase stuck in their CBA’s is beyond me. Basically, it excuses everything they do because of what they “thought” was happening. That level of unaccountability exists nowhere else in the world, not even for soldiers in a war zone.

    1. Most of these warrior cops would shit their pants if they were ever actually in a war zone, if they weren’t already fragged by the real soldiers.

    2. Thank the pig unions and the pols that fellate them for campaign cash.

    3. Aw c’mon, Sloopy, you bigorati you. It’s clear that in light of the evidence, a non-officer would get the same consideration as that officer is getting.

    4. Basically, it excuses everything they do because of what they “thought” was happening.

      Like the heroes who murdered an unarmed woman in front of her child because they “thought” she had gunned down a brother officer.

      1. Wait, was that the lady delivering newspapers? Oh nevermind, they didn’t kill her. They were bad shots. They just maimed her and cost the taxpayers an 8-figure settlement.

        1. Car chase that shut down the capitol?

          1. It is hard to keep track nowadays.

          2. So many unarmed women, so little time.

      2. “Basically, it excuses everything they do because of what they “thought” was happening.”

        Civilians commit thought crimes; cops, thought exonerations.

      3. No, they didn’t think she gunned down a brother officer, they thought she was trying to get away. Fleeing is a capital offense.

    5. I agree, this is the strangest logic. It doesn’t apply to me if I’m on trial for shooting my neighbor, why does it apply to Officer Spencer.

      1. Not just that, but Officer Spencer, the guy trained so well that only people like him should be able to carry guns.

        The trained guy gets more leeway to fuck up than Joe Citizen. I think I’ll attach a contract of my terms to me property tax check.

        1. Lower standards. Cops prove it every single day.

          1. If one can shoot with near impunity, it is safe to assume one will be less hesitant to use lethal force.

            But it’s actually worse than that. The 21st century LEO is issued a firearm by the State and trained to use it when it is in the interests of the State. The faintest threat to officer safety, or even convenience, is contrary to the interest of the State, and fully justifies the use of lethal force in the eyes of the State.

            This is also why the cops almost always get the drop on an armed resident when they invade the wrong address for a warrant. The resident is more hesitant than the cop to use deadly force even though he has the advantage of being defender.

            1. Because the average person doesn’t want to kill someone. The average cop does.

    6. “I know the video makes it look like I just hit that toddler in the head with a shovel for no reason, but what you can’t see in the video is the look of bloodthirsty, senseless, murderous rage in her eyes. It was little Suzy or me.”

  10. I’m sure the story will be that they issued a lawful command which he did not obey. At that moment they feared for their lives and had no choice but to open fire. Nothing else will happen.

    1. And I’m sure if the victim followed the commands of the officer that shot him, that officer would have held his fire…

      …and the other officer would have shot him for not following his conflicting orders.

      That’s the other thing that bothers me about a lot of these shootings where there’s audio evidence. Multiple cops screaming conflicting orders at a confused and terrified person. The person is not ever going to be able to comply.

      Any time a person gets shot by a cop and there are conflicting orders being shouted, the cops should all be held accountable. The shooter gets murder and the others get accessory to murder.

      It might be a start.

      1. Officer 1. Step forward!

        Officer 2: Don’t move!

        Officer 1 and 2: BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!

        Procedures were followed, officer safety ensured.

          1. This is getting to be quite routine, is it not?

            You would think that someone, outside of the H&R commentariat and the family of victims, might start noticing one of these days.

            1. You would think that someone, outside of the H&R commentariat and the family of victims, might start noticing one of these days.

              It takes a lot to shake the average person’s faith in government. Those twelve years of indoctrination are quite effective.

              1. I will say, when willing to brave the comment threads below the articles, that the times seem to have changed slightly. Used to be that comments, and comment voting, were overwhelmingly in favor of the officer. It seems to be turning the other way around now.

        1. Actually it was probably:

          Officer 1: Freeze!

          Officer 2: Get on the ground!

          But yeah…

          1. Or:

            Officer 1: Drop the knife!

            Officer 2: Get on the ground!

            1. (Not holding a knife)

              Officer: DROP THE KNIFE!

              Perp: WHAT KNIFE?!?

              Officer: DROP THE KNIFE!

              BANG BANG

              1. Point it at ED 209.

          2. Ha ha, that was even in “Raising Arizona”

            bank customer: “Boy, you wantin’ I should freeze or I should be gettin’ on the floor?”

      2. Accountability is not in the interest of the State. The entire purpose of government is authority without accountability, power without responsibility. They might not have achieved it yet, but they are all relentlessly working toward it.

        1. That is exactly why Obama exonerated Bush for any and all crimes.

    2. He peacefully stood in the middle of the street “in a manner exuding malice and threat strongly enough for the officers to reasonably fear for their lives.” I’m kinda surprised they didn’t keep pumping lead into him until they ran out of ammo. Of course, they had enough gas in the car to back over him a couple hundred times, and peg his dog once or twice as well. Maybe they should get a Nobel Peace Prize for not turning him into roadkill?

      Replace those cops with two neighborhood watch captains, and what do you think happens? “The learning disabled are being gunned down in the streets! It’s hunting season for Downs babies!!!one!!1!”

    3. Officer: put your hands on your head.

      citizen (complies).

      Blam Blam..

      Officer: I didn’t say ‘Simon says’

      1. Back to Demolition Man already? Yes please.

        Simon Phoenix: You’re dead, Spartan!
        John Spartan: You forgot to say Simon Says.

        1. *brings hand forward at eye level, stops short of high-fiving, and makes circles*

  11. So there I was, sitting at my desk and peacefully eating my lunch when this guy named Ed Krayewski ran up and punched me right in the nuts!

  12. In another era, the townsfolk would be at the police station with pitchforks and torches, demanding that the officers be released to the mob for justice.

    Today, they’re too afraid that their dogs will be shot, their kids groped and tased, and their mentally ill family members gunned down in the street.

    1. The townsfolk of Fullerton were pretty outspoken about the police beating Kelly Thomas to death.

      1. And jack shit happened as a result.

        1. No, that’s not entirely so. They were going to sweep the whole thing under the rug until the various cell phone videos came out. Instead, some cops were fired and at least one was charged. I haven’t followed the case in a long while, but the outcome for the cops was much worse than it would have been without the public outcry.

          1. The fat guy who repeatedly shoved his gloved fist in the victim’s face telling him (paraphrasing) “this is gonna fuck you up”, thereby precipitating the entire incident, was not charged.

            In a world full of crap I’m never going to understand, the fact that this guy threatened to do grievous bodily harm to a harmless guy sitting on a bench – and then proceeded to do so – is so far from guilty of any crime that they can’t even charge him…. Holy crap…. that is at its own level of bizarre.

  13. Something similar happened round here a few years back. Some guy with a knife was standing in his doorway and the cops rolled up. A standoff ensued and even the news crews arrived. At some point the cops just got tired of being there so they opened fire. The guy was just standing there. Shot him in the neck. Blood everywhere. All on the news crew’s film.

    Nothing else happened.

    1. I really think that some areas just get shit cops and some get “good” ones.

      I’ve answered my door at 3 am holding a gun in my hand while a cop was on the other side of the door. After a short discussion, I said “ok, let me just go put my gun away and I’ll step outside and talk.” Later in the conversation (I had a vehicle of mine stolen which I didn’t know was stolen, being 3 am) he was like “Yeah probably not a bad idea to answer the door with a gun at 3 am when you aren’t expecting anyone.”

      1. Wait, I thought answering the door with a gun was a justification for being shot dead in your doorway.

        1. Obviously he doesn’t live in Lake County, Florida.

      2. I really think that some areas just get shit cops and some get “good” ones.

        Seems that cops in conservative areas tend to be much more respectful of the average person, while cops in liberal areas treat everyone with contempt.

        Then again it’s not just cops who treat people with contempt in liberal places. Liberals in general treat people with contempt.

        1. Seems that cops in conservative areas tend to be much more respectful of the average person, while cops in liberal areas treat everyone with contempt.

          There are some atrocious cops in Texas, so this doesn’t really strike me as accurate. It might be that cops are generally better in rural areas because they’re more likely to know the people in the community.

          I don’t think it’s a conservative/liberal thing though. If it were, how do you explain Joe Arpaio?

          1. It might be that cops are generally better in rural areas because they’re more likely to know the people in the community.

            Rural areas tend to be more conservative than urban ones. But yeah, you’re probably right.

      3. It’s just like any other “public service” job. There are some folks who do it because they have a passion for helping people, and some folks do it to impose their will on others.

        I’ve never really had any sort of issue with the cops i’ve interacted with (besides the one who pulled me over for doing 2 over the speed limit), but I’ve always interacted with them in suburban areas, and wasn’t doing anything out of the ordinary.

        Some of the same stuff (like playing ultimate Frisbee at an elementary school at 9pm) would likely get a completely different response if I did it 15 miles closer to downtown.

  14. Did anyone notice the cop car appears to be facing the scene? Where’s the dash cam footage?

    1. I think it was raining in Dallas on Monday. Probably some kind of electronics malfunction.

    2. I’m sure it was “lost” as soon as it was discovered to contradict the official report.

  15. Bullets also slammed into a neighbor’s windows. Police evidence tape now covers the spot where the bullets hit.
    “Had someone been in that home, they could have been shot as well or maybe killed,” Jackson said.
    Jackson said that in the hours after the shooting, she tried to see him her son, but armed Dallas police officers would not allow her into his hospital room.
    “They said, ‘You don’t need to be here. You son is under arrest for trying to hurt police officers,'” Jackson said. “I said, ‘What would you do if it was your son?'”

    Wow. I want out of this city.

    1. ‘What would you do if it was your son?'”

      I would hope that a robot from the future that didn’t feel pity or remorse would visit the police headquarters.

      1. Can it be reasoned with?

  16. I heard about a case on the radio this morning. Some guy’s ex-wife had their 9 year old daughter plant drugs in his truck. When he found them, he called the cops. Amazingly, they figured out what happened and arrested the wife.

    I still think the guy is a complete dumbass, though. If I mysteriously found drugs in my car, no way in hell would I call the cops.

    1. Yeah, I would imagine he did so to protect the custody rights he was currently enjoying, or to expand them to get his daughter away from that crazy ex- of his.

      In a situation like that, it’s probably best to call the fuzz and explain the situation. In the long run, it’s gonna get him custody and keep her from eventually succeeding in getting him jailed.

    2. Depending on the drugs, I might even be thankful.

    3. Could have been a case where the guy is friends with a policeman, city councilman, or someone else with power. I was once confused for such a person and the cop gave me special treatment. It was really creepy. I’d never had a cop be nice to me before.

  17. the “facts and circumstances known to Officer Spencer at the time completely justify his actions,”

    We can all be assured of the same treatment.

    “How was I to know he just wanted to introduce me to my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ? I swear to God, I thought he came here to kill me.”

  18. Aren’t my taxes going to arming these assholes with tasers and other non-lethal weapons? Not that it matters since the guy didn’t do jack shit, the cops probably decided they didn’t want to deal with talking a guy down and took the quick way out

  19. You see, this is the kind of day when I wish Dunphy wasn’t out riding killer waves, boning Morgan Fairchild and yelling at the roadies to hurry up and get his mic check done. Because these are the days when his true colors come back out and the people on here that tell me to “take it easy because he’s one of the good cops” finally see him for what he’s worth.

    1. I heard from a Seattleite friend that Super Dunphy was handing out Doritos and Cheesey Poofs at a local pot festival, when he was attacked, beaten, and arse r-a-p-e-d by a gang of stoned midget transvestites.

      His pride is still recovering and he is unable to comment at this time.

    2. Did you buy his stories? I don’t mean just the olympic power-lifting and surfing stuff, but that this guy was really a cop? I’m pretty sure he’s just a dedicated troll with nothing better to do.

      1. Oh, he had to be a real cop. Or he had to have attended a few “how to get out of anything because you’re a cop” seminars. He knew all of the correct phrases to use, he had all of the doublespeak memorized and he was able to unflinchingly claim moral superiority in every situation even in the face of overwhelming condemnation.

        If that doesn’t spell C-O-P, then I don’t know what does.

        1. I don’t know. something about him screams “academy dropout”. way too much time on the internet, pulling up obscure court cases that were mostly irrelevant to any argument, claimed to work in several different states.

          1. way too much time on the internet

            He was home on some disability thing. Remember how he bragged about all the prescription pain meds he was taking?

            1. I completely forgot about all that.

          2. Nah. I have no doubt that he’s the genuine item. Because only a cop would have the time to jockey disability on the taxpayer’s dime and still keep his job for as many years as that malcontent has. Hell, notice how (when he was working regularly and not sucking the taxpayer-funded disability teat) he would change times of day he commented occasionally? Cops change shifts like that. And notice how he was unflinching in protecting the badge, even when it was all but a certainty that the cop was in the wrong? Only cops do shit like that. And finally, notice how he would inevitably defend the indefensible with “itfpapic”, essentially negating the need to admit a cop was wrong in anything because he could later say “well, the fact pattern as presented was not correct but you’re all just a bunch of cop-haters anyway”.

            Shit, only a cop could defend the shit that prick defended.

            1. And notice how he was unflinching in protecting the badge, even when it was all but a certainty that the cop was in the wrong? Only cops do shit like that.

              Tulpa’s a cop?

              1. He’s said cops were in the wrong before. I think he said something about running a fever of 103, but he still said it.

                1. You both are probably right. I just never liked his persona because it too closely resembles a high school buddy of mine. He went to college when I enlisted. I did my 5 years and got out of the corps when he was still trying to lose enough weight to get into the academy. About this time, I started turning pretty libertarian and anti-cop. I’d post stories like this on FB and he’d always show up to defend these faggots. This guy grew up saying how much he admired me for serving and how it inspired him to “do something with his life”. Makes me feel pretty shitty now that I think about it.

            2. For the record I liked dunphy. He was good to have around.

              1. I also miss MNG and joe.

                1. I kind of miss MiNGe. He and I had some good conversations from time to time. He just had a thing for shitting all over threads with John for some reason.

        2. My favorite Dunphy moment was when he started whining about how well respected he was over at some other blog and why didn’t we like him like they did.

          1. Volokh! I forgot he said he was going to go over there because they understood what was “legal” instead of “moral” like we did here. He even went so far as to say what was legal was all that mattered when it came to this kind of bullshit, to which he was pilloried on here mercilessly. Hell, it may have been what gave him meningitis.

            1. Thanks, Sloop. I was racking my brains for the name.

  20. You want to know how accountable cops think they should be? I posted a story yesterday about a cop that had been going home for hours every day while on duty and the fact that he had been charged with 10 misdemeanors (even though they had enough to charge him with a felony). Well, the brave heroes over at PoliceOne have chimed in with their opinions, and they are all basically claiming that the guy doesn’t deserve it, witch hunt, blah blah blah. It’s as if they do not think the law should ever apply to them.

    1. As if?

  21. Check out what the cop does right after the shooting at 00:31. That’s right, he picks up his shell casings. Wouldn’t want anyone to have any evidence that could contradict his story afterward! That right there should be enough to put him in prison.

    1. Tampering with evidence at the scene of a crime? That’s only in effect for us citizens.

    2. So police aren’t supposed to collect evidence at crimes scenes now?


    3. No, he’s just helping the detectives by collecting the casings for them. In fact, he probably deserves a commendation for helping to rapidlt collect evidence before the crime scene can be compromised.

  22. I’m sure the story will be that they issued a lawful command which he did not obey. At that moment they feared for their lives and had no choice but to open fire.

    Nothing terrifies them more than a free man, standing upright.

      1. The perp’s face kept striking my fist.

  23. these are the days when his true colors come back out and the people on here that tell me to “take it easy because he’s one of the good cops” finally see him for what he’s worth.

    Everybody who says, “Cut him some slack, he’s pretty reasonable” can kiss my ass.

    He’d be here telling us that guy killed himself. And our ignorant ranting is the equivalent of lynching a fine professional who just wants to make the streets safe and deserves due process to be completely immunized from the consequences of any action he takes.

  24. OT:

    Seventeen T!

    We have now officially reached 17 trillion in debt! Forward comrades!

    1. No, we’ve reached 17 trillion in prosperity!

      1. $17Trillion invested

        1. 17 Terabucks created or saved!

    2. I read somewhere the total value of the USA is 50 trillion. It will be interesting when we owe more than the country is worth.

      1. Throw some of the unfunded stuff in there. The US blew past $50T a long time ago.

        1. I read unfunded liabilities included with debt make 250 trillion, or 5 times the value of the country. But we don’t have a debt problem some how.

          1. Having an infinite debt limit…. Priceless

      2. The USA is upside down on its mortgage.

      3. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

        At the US debt clock, they say $105T in total assets.

        This as compared to government debt sitting right around $17T, total debt (personal, corporate, and governmental) being $60T, and unfunded liabilities for the country being $126T

        In a household budget sense, Federal Govt has $170k run up on a credit card, with the limit hovering just above that. The minimum payment on that card is $2600/year. It makes $27k a year, and is currently budgeting $35k a year in expenses. Even if we were to cut away all possible expenses, it still has contracts with cell phone, internet, and TV providers for $1.26M.

    3. We have to spend our way out of this thing.

    4. Don’t you mean 17 trillion in stimulus?

      Any minute now, folks, any minute now…


      1. +1.4 “multiplier”

  25. OT:

    Looks like an article about pollution.


    Is actually agitprop about the Koch Brothers.

  26. he picks up his shell casings.

    The fool, he could have pleaded down to littering.

  27. OT, but hahaha, my local ABC news affiliate has a Deputy Communications Director from California Insured, the state’s healthcare exchange.

    He really had to bluster through the questions about problems with the exchanges. But at least he was honest enough to admit that under the law people will see their rates go up.

  28. Hero cop caught on camera risking his life to drag shot partner to safety despite heavy gunfire

    Officer Paul Hutchison shot by stand off with attempted murder suspect
    Hero colleague pulled him to safety after officer shot in leg
    Police had been trying to arrest attempted murder suspect Aaron Dumas
    Dumas later died after setting fire to his home during stand off


    They’ll risk their lives for each other, but not for a mere citizen. Officer safety and all.

  29. Say it with me folks:

    Never call the cops unless you want someone to go to jail get shot and you are willing to risk that it will be you.

  30. Try this bit of bullshit on for size.

    And enjoy the comments like this one (emphasis mine):
    Posted by forsy2406 on Thursday, October 17, 2013 07:48 PM Pacific Report Abuse
    I agree brother. The Officer must assume some fault in this situation, and If firing is what is ultimately deserved then so be it. But, Gibson also played a role in the encounter and ultimately participated in his own demise. I wish there was a “mutual fault” rule: Officer shot, he’s disciplined, Dirt Bag caused problems, refused orders, acted aggressively and was killed….both people punished….end of story. There shouldn’t be a lawsuit. That’s how it should be, but of course….I’m dreaming there

    They really believe they are Judges.

    1. Also: Posted by jdwilson500 on Friday, October 18, 2013 07:17 AM Pacific Report Abuse
      V-8, not to bag on you but a pistol round will not go through some car windows, and a pistol is only a delay so you can get to a long gun…

      and really firing of a guy because his brass screwed up??? sounds a little harsh to me… I mean he is an 11 year officer…

      sad situation all around

      Who the fuck taught this guy about handguns?

      1. He’s a dumb pig who presumably means a windshield, not windows.

      2. sloopy: posted in a.m. links
        wanted to share with you.

        Here’s a nut punch from New Hampshire:

        Felony hit-and-run charges against fired Manchester officer reduced to misdemeanors


        Second punch: remember the cop who shot a dog in a dog park ? Same guy.

        Fired Manchester Officer Investigated in 2004 Dog Shooting


        1. Well, I managed to find it even though your linking was SF-level bad. Yeah, I wonder how they were able to not find him guilty of DUI? I wonder if his “brothers” forgot to give a FST or draw blood.*
          Also, I like this nugget FTA: “I deserve to be punished,” he said, but added that he “lost a career that I love.”

          “I lost everything,” he said.

          A 21-year police veteran, Connare is eligible to draw a pension estimated at nearly $37,000 a year.

          Looks like he didn’t quite lose everything after all, did he?

    2. You need to take the totality of the circumstances into account, sloopy. That man was backed into a corner with a lethal weapon. He could’ve broken free from between those police cars at any second and committed vehicular homicide against our brave officers. The most important thing is that they made it home safe that night.

      As for the officer’s firing? Well, it’s a damned disgrace. Canning a dedicated civil servant for taking out the trash is an absolutely abhorrent breach of the social contract.

      I’m not surprised a teathuglican anarchist like you would support a criminal over a police officer.

      [/Tony Dunphy’s Buttplug]

      1. too much capitalization.


        1. and properly constructed sentences


    3. Officer disciplined, Dirt Bag dead, both punished, completely even.

  31. Never call a cop when:
    You need help.
    Some one you love needs help.
    You don’t want to go to the hospital.
    You don’t want someone you love to go to the hospital.
    Call a cop when:
    You’ve taken care of a problem and you want some city worker to clean up the mess.

  32. You know who else got shot in Dallas when there was more going on than what the video showed?

  33. Pretty difficult to see any aggression on the victim’s part; the perps, however, appear to be quite aggressive.

  34. If they really feared the guy with the knife who is just standing there, why didn’t they retreat a few steps? That removes any possible threat.

    I see this over and over in these police shooting incidents. A simple retreat would be much safer for the officers if there were a real threat, but instead they advance and fire. It is as if their minds cannot comprehend the concept of backing up.

  35. Obviously when he was retreating and stopped retreating, that created an optical illusion that he was moving toward the officers. Case closed!

  36. Obviously when he was retreating and stopped retreating, that created an optical illusion that he was moving toward the officers. Case closed!

  37. Obviously when he was retreating and stopped retreating, that created an optical illusion that he was moving toward the officers. Case closed!

  38. Obviously, as he was retreating and then stopped retreating, that created the optical illusion he was lunging at the officers. Case closed.

    1. Silly iPad. Please don’t call 911 for the triple post

  39. just as Carol responded I didn’t know that people can make $6819 in 1 month on the computer. read this

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