Sen. Feinstein Fails to Justify NSA Surveillance
Gawker does a good job tearing apart Sen. Dianne Feinstein's sad attempt to get her subjects to agree that NSA surveillance must be A-OK, said sad attempt appearing in the Wall Street Journal.
Highlights:
1) The NSA program could have stopped 9/11. It's right there in the story's subhed: "If today's call-records program had been in place in before 9/11, the terrorist attacks likely would have been prevented." Odd, since Feinstein includes this paragraph right up front:
In the summer of 2001, the CIA's then-director, George Tenet, painted a dire picture for members of the Senate Intelligence Committee when he testified about the terrorist threat posed by al Qaeda. As Mr. Tenet later told the 9/11 Commission, "the system was blinking red" and by late July of that year, it could not "get any worse."
Huh. So… the CIA did issue dire warnings prior to 9/11, although the NSA's program was not in place at that time. This directly contradicts Feinstein's point about the necessity of the NSA's phone spying…
2) The NSA itself says the program works.
Working in combination, the call-records database and other NSA programs have aided efforts by U.S. intelligence agencies to disrupt terrorism in the U.S. approximately a dozen times in recent years, according to the NSA. This summer, the agency disclosed that 54 terrorist events have been interrupted—including plots stopped and arrests made for support to terrorism…
The fact that all of these "terrorist events" that have been foiled by the NSA are sourced to the NSA itself renders the entire thing rather worthless for the purposes of public debate. What this really means is, "the NSA says the NSA's work works." Is that true? Maybe, maybe not. Can we verify it? No. Does the NSA have an established record of misleading self-justifying public statements? Yes…
3) Al Qaeda is scary. They are making "nonmetallic bombs," you see. Therefore, we must intercept every phone call in America.
Earlier this month, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified that in the case of the AQAP threat this summer, there were a number of phone numbers or emails "that emerged from our collection overseas that pointed to the United States." Fortunately, the NSA call-records program was used to check those leads and determined that there was no domestic aspect to the plotting.
Not only is this justification sourced to James Clapper, a man who lied to Congress under oath about NSA surveillance activities, but it attempts to justify domestic spying with a case in which there "was no domestic aspect to the plotting." And this was presumably the best example that Feinstein could come up with….
I wondered back in 2006 where the terror threat was, post-9/11, and I can't see that much has changed.
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Sign of the apocalypse.
Considering that Feinstein's arguments are laughably easy to tear apart, this isn't that big of an accomplishment by Gawker.
It's like a retard fighting a brain-dead quadriplegic.
Cripple Fight!
Don't lock eyes with 'em, don't do it. Puts 'em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming "No, no, no" and all they hear is "Who wants cake?" Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.
Sara: What I'd like to know is, why are there retarded Gawkers in school with my daughter?
Principal Onyx Blackman: Mrs. Blank, we're doing our best to weed them out, but some of these retards are extremely clever.
Next up: Gawker takes apart Feinstein's feelings-based defense of gun control.
What was her argument, again? That she put her fingers in the bullet holes of George Moscone's corpse and was thus an expert on gun violence?
The most rational argument ever devised.
Huh, I thought it was because she stuck a finger up Harvey Milk's arse.
What did milks buddy jim jones say?
A.) No Fucking way I'm clicking over to Gawker. I'm perfectly happy ignoring how much women hate me and how terrible a person I am because I'm white without HAVING IT SHOUTED AT ME.
B.) If we could go back in time and ship Jamie Gorelick to, well, ANYWHERE other than Washington one could argue that not just 9/11, but the Housing Meltdown could've been avoided.
...since we're dealing in "what if" scenarios.
United States illegally deports American citizens for the last 35 years by citing a nonexistent article from the Mexican Constitution.
Well, the government doesn't give a fuck about what our Constitution says, why would they give a fuck about what Mexico's says?
Hey at least they're respecting someone's Constitution!
Jesus fuck I'm beginning to really hate my government.
Like an idiot, I went there and had to read this:
While I don't like Sen. Feinstein at all, I will support her in the defense of the NSA.
Yes, many are worried that their "privacy" will be attacked by the NSA. However, if you are ok with a few more 9/11's or a few more Boston Marathon bombings, then forget the NSA?let's dismantle it and let them kill civilians. For those of you who are not OK with it, sorry, but some things have to be put to the side. That being said, there is no evidence (so far) that the NSA has been used for purposes other than state security. Hoover used the FBI much more nefariously and with more Gestapo tactics than the NSA is running right now.
I hope this cowardly cocksucker is the first one they put to the wall.
I forget how the NSA spying stopped the Boston Marathon bombing.
Well, at least we know that as soon as Team Blue is out of power, this person will be against the surveillance.
If you ever wanted to be fantastically annoyed and depressed by how far we away we are from becoming a more libertarian country, one of limited enumerated powers as prescribed in the Constitution, read the comments at a Gawker site.
Whatever deprivation has occurred for a listed grievance group the government is never big or strong enough to right that wrong, so dammit let's arm them and make it count.
This is why HUD agents carry guns now.
Kids, don't read Gawker. Go watch some old Steven Wright youtubes or something.
read the comments at a Gawker site
You should've taken your own advice:
I think he was basing that current decision (and his current comment) on past Gawker comment reading.
His past horrorible experience serves as a warning to us all.
Hoover used the FBI much more nefariously and with more Gestapo tactics than the NSA is running right now.
So Hoover was 80% gestapo, the NSA is only 65% gestapo. What a relief.
The NSA could have stopped 9/11, if the NSA director had read Tom Clancy novels. The FBI could have stopped 9/11, if they had listened to their field operatives in Minneapolis and Phoenix. The Air Force could have stopped 9/11 (somewhat) if they had had more than 2 jets defending the entire US airspace.
But none of them did. So we got a USA Patriot Act aimed at stopping tax evaders.
Don't be jumping on the AF - remember that it is illegal for the military to do law enforcement outside of very specific circumstances.
You're lucky the AF had *two* planes defending the US - absent a credible threat to our home territory, there's no reason for them to have had *any* ready to go (and technically they didn't - IIRC the first planes sent up to intercept were unarmed).
The F-15s from Otis were sitting alert and would have been fully armed. The Guard has an air defense mission and have a few birds on alert all the time. There are several units across the country that sit regular alert.
Otis used to. But IIRC, they are coast guard only now...
The Otis F-15s are now at Barnes.
As far as I am concerned Feinstein fails to justify any further personal need for oxygen. She has stolen way too much of ours so far.
Hey, she'll use her half the way she wants to, you use your half the way you want to.
I heard Feinstein and Fails.... And I already heard too much.
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Hunting politicians? Godspeed.
You making one of those Jeff Cooper "scout rifles" out of it?
"I know that people are trying to get to us," she said. "This is the reason why the FBI now has 10,000 people doing intelligence on counterterrorism."
Doing intelligence on *counterterrorism* ... Doing *intelligence* on counterterrorism ... *Doing* intelligence on counterterrorism ...
Sorry, Dianne, I don't understand why you knowing that people are trying to get "us" is the reason the FBI "has" people.
Seriously, that article is chock full of, um, gems. 8-(
A small example: "Now we have to deal with the perception issue because the media constantly saying the NSA is listening to you and that's not true at all," Ruppersberger added.
"A small example: "Now we have to deal with the perception issue because the media constantly saying the NSA is listening to you and that's not true at all," Ruppersberger added."
Corret. It's constantly reading your mail.
Its *technically* correct, and as we here all know, technically correct is the best kind of correct.
It's the absolute best way to mislead without actually lying!
Wow.
French polls show them turning HARD right. Survey shows 24% support for the Front National Party, Jean Marie Le Pen's old group. His daughter's in charge now and seems far less racist than her father was, but this is still the party that was led until recently by a man that attacked Jacque Chirac for 'being in the pay of Jewish organizations' and who got angry that the French national soccer team had too many non-white players.
I guess the Socialist's plan to just raise taxes until the rich people left hasn't worked out quite as well as they may have hoped. Krugman and Yglesias hardest hit.
Isn't the right wing party over there still pretty socialist? They just don't want to share their free shit with Muslims and non-whites.
They're more protectionist. They are anti-welfare state, pro-deregulation, and in favor of tax cuts. They're anti-free trade though, which goes right along with their antipathy to immigrants.
Wow. So an entire party full of 'Americans'.
I think it was closer to being American's ideal party back when Jean-Marie Le Pen was running things. His daughter, Marine, seems fare less crazy than he was.
It's still protectionist and is opposed to immigration, but they've actually been kicking the racists out of the party.
I still don't like them at all, but they're certainly less horrible than they once were.
Euro rightwing* is nothing like US rightwing but, not being a European, I like it when they do well. They are certainly preferable to communists.
In light of the EU I'll root for the nationalists (with reservations) over the pond
*I'm not including UKIP who seem to be a bit more of a Limey "Tea Party".
I was reading Jim Goad on this over at Taki's. I'd never read the comments before, fucking scary. Chris Mallory (who comments there) is a cosmotarian in comparison to their Nazi commentariot.
European right is pretty socialist. Just mix in a disdain for the jews and that's European for "conservative".
Marine is a good party builder while Sarko and Hollande are disasters to the parties they lead.
School Janitor Puts Out a Hit On A 9-Year-Old For Being "Disrespectful"
Our children are in the best of hands.
Back in my day the kids would have done it for free. Standards have really fallen.
Michigan school janitors must have a shitty union. My elementary school janitor was "Charles" a black guy with a badly broken hip.I remember him as very friendly and hardworking. I think he lost his job for smoking cigarettes and weed with the wilder 6th and 7th grade girls. (in the mid 70s American South a 35 yo black man smoking pot with 13 yo middle class white girls at school was a "firing offense", no cops were involved.)
Sevo's favorite newspaper correctly points out that working less could get you huge amounts of money from health care subsidies.
I would say that it's a bad thing when a law gives people money to work less, but that's probably just because I'm a crazy libertarian.
OTOH, I'm not sure cutting your income by 2k to get 1,207 back is such a good deal.
Also, why would a household making 64k get a subsidy anyway - that's a pretty decent paycheck in its own right.
That's like $13,000 a year. I don't know how accurate that number is because that seems absurd.
"similar to the replacement policy she was quoted, to $94 per month from $1,302 per month. Instead of paying more than $15,000 per year, the couple would pay about $1,100."
The couple would pay about $1,100 while forgoing $9,000 dollars of income.
I mean the choice here is pay $1,100 *or* pay $15,000 while taking in $24,000 - I don't know why you would do the former.
That's not at all what it says. They have to cut $2000 to get a subsidy of almost $14,000. They're $12,000 better off if they cut from $64,000 to $62,000.
Unless I'm missing something, they're far better off if they make $2000 less.
Never mind - I'm reading it wrong and doing bad math.
WOW! Under ObamaCare my marginal income tax rate is only 740,000%. Until I read the article, I thought that was high.
But they have a 1,400,000% marginal income tax.
Over a MILLION PERCENT income tax rate! That's fundamentally transformative!
Irish,
Posted that on Sunday; got a yawn.
Your selling skills are better'n mine.
And I got a question: Does anyone else read the 24/7 posts? Are they toxic?
If the headline is interesting or important I'll click on it. No one really posts there though because they tend to by very fast throughout the day.
I read them.
I've even commented, but then when I noticed that 24/7 is a virtual ghost town, I stopped.
I read them.
Oh yeah,
Happy Canadian Thanksgiving.
I love Americas hat!
Canada's southernmost point is Middle Island. How many US States have land NORTH of it?
Bah!
Sorry, I meant..
I love Americas Attic!
Do northerners have pilgrims, indians and turkey?
yes, yes, and yes.
Canadians call them "French, First Nations and poutine"
What are you thankful for?
NFL RedZone Channel.
Speaking of Canada, I'm watching Love It or List It with my mom on the Home and Garden channel.
I had no idea Canadian realty is such a bitchy business.
Can we all just agree to agree that Feinstein has the legislative prowess of a sixth grader?
A sixth grader who never watched Schoolhouse Rock.
Back when you couldn't watch Saturday morning cartoons w/o getting a civics education. Oh how we've fallen. I like how it is a totally innocuous, even at the federal level, school buses must stop at railroad crossings. Yes they should. If it is good enough for our flammable petroleum and other chemical tanker trucks it is good enough for our most precious resource, the children.
The mercantilists had it right all along, except that the truest form of wealth isn't gold, but children.
We should direct our economic policy towards massive exports, paid for with other nations' children.
Is Feinstein secretly related to Dick Cheney?