UPDATED: House Republicans Set To Vote on Reopening Some Parts of the Government


UPDATE AT BOTTOM
Speaking yesterday ahead of the partial government shutdown Obama said the following:
Veterans, who've sacrificed for their country, will find their support centers unstaffed.
Tourists will find every one of America's national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Smithsonian to the Statue of Liberty, immediately closed. And of course the communities and small business that rely on these national treasures for their livelihoods will be out of customers and out of luck.
However, today it is being reported that Republicans in the House intend to pass legislation that would keep national parks open and allow for claims at the Department of Veterans Affairs to be processed.
From the AP:
WASHINGTON (AP) — Republicans say the GOP-controlled House intends to pass legislation to reopen portions of the government, including national parks and processing of claims at the Department of Veterans Affairs.
The House would also allow the government of Washington, D.C. to use its own taxpayer funds to provide services like garbage pickup, as well as keep D.C. employees on the job.
According to Politico Senate Appropriations Chairwoman Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) has rejected the approach. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney has said that the idea shows an "utter lack of seriousness" among Republicans in the House.
Reason reached out to Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.), who was supported by former Congressman Ron Paul in 2008 and who urged the U.S. to grant NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden amnesty, as well as Reps. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), Kerry Bentivolio (R-Mich.), Raúl Labrador (R-Idaho), Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), Steve Stockman (R- Texas), and Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) to ask how they intend to vote on the measures relating to the national parks and the processing of claims at Veterans Affairs.
Brian Doherty's interviews with Amash, Massie, Bentivolio, and Yoho were published in Reason's March 2013 issue.
Here are the results at the time of writing:
- Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.): Intends to vote yes on both of the measures.
- Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.): A staff member said they would get back to us.
This post will be updated as the rest of the responses come in.
Thanks to Reason interns Zenon Evans and Jess Remington for their help with this post.
UPDATE:
The House of Representatives failed to pass the bills discussed above. A 2/3 majority was needed for the bills to pass.
Bill to fund Veterans Affairs: 264-164
National parks funding bill: 252-176
All of the members mentioned above voted for both bills.
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Statue of 'liberty'. Is that the place where you get gang-raped by security officials before you're allowed to find out how free you are?
"Ima have ta check ya Assssssssss hoe...."
"White House Press Secretary Jay Carney has said that the idea shows an "utter lack of seriousness" among Republicans in the House." Say What? The President says there is a problem with Parks (good video on how traumatic the shutdown is) and veterans (a group everyone has sympathy for). The House passes legislation to address the President's stated concern, and the House is not serious? Pot meet the kettle. Congrats on the first politically astute move from the GOP in eons.
No, the House Republicans were not serious. They intentionally used a procedure requiring a 2/3 vote, so that the measure would fail.
Come on people, don't be so easily fooled. This is 100% posturing by both parties.
Just heard from a friend how bad it was today in Loudoun County (NoVa)The weekday level staff at wineries, restaurants, antique shops, farm stands, etc. had a hard time keeping up with the assault by
"laid off" Washingtonians out for a drive in the country side. Hey, can someone furlough me for a day, with pay, to go guzzle wine and
look at the Blue Ridge?
DC is the new Rome
So Dems all voted against?
Why is a 2/3 majority need before sending it to the Senate. Shouldn't it be a simple majority?
Yeah, I don't get that either. I thought the only time 2/3 came into play was with respect to a veto.
The GOP suspended the rules - which allows a bill to pass with but only at 2/3rds.
They were going to need 2/3 to override Obama's veto anyhow.
Belgian Doctor Executes Confused Woman
Mr Verhelst had hormone therapy in 2009, followed by a mastectomy and surgery to construct a penis in 2012. But "none of these operations worked as desired".
This is just weird. So, after 6 months of therapy they gave a doc "permission" to kill her?
I really have mixed feelings about this. I'm in favor of DIY suicide. First getting the states permission is super creepy.
He/she didn't have a terminal illness and was 40-something years old. Sounds very wrong.
I have no issue with the right of an individual to first mutilate, and then kill herself. I wish she wouldn't but force shouldn't be used to stop her.
The docs involved were in violation of their oath (assuming they took it).
The state should not be in the business of encouraging, much less forcing anyone to pretend she was ever a man and certainly not to act as "gatekeeper" in deciding she can contract with a hitman to take her life.
I guess I'm just old-fashioned that way.
Belgium has some weird statistics. Take a look at this one.
"Overall, 208 deaths involving the use of life-ending drugs were reported: 142 (weighted prevalence 2.0%) were with an explicit patient request (euthanasia or assisted suicide) and 66 (weighted prevalence 1.8%) were without an explicit request....Of the deaths without an explicit request, the decision was not discussed with the patient in 77.9% of cases."
http://www.cmaj.ca/content/ear.....l.pdf+html
So, in about a third of the cases of assisted suicide euthanasia, the patients did not request it, and in 78% of those cases, the decision to kill the patient was never even discussed with the patient.
If I retire in Europe, remind me never to allow myself to be sent to a nursing home in Belgium.
Were those cases instances where the patient was incapacitated, and the next of kin made the decision?
Looking through the study, apparently a lot of them were discussed with the patient's family.
I haven't been in the HIM business for a long time, but when I was, advance directives were generally honored, but a patient's next of kin in certain cases could override that. On the other hand, if "heroic measures" were undertaken in spite of an advance directive, you could get the hell sued out of you. Maybe RC Dean could shed some light on that...
Point being that the patient's own decision was given a ton of weight, and the only thing that might offset it was if the next of kin said you had to live anyway.
If we want to add that it's okay to help a patient die--with a patient's consent? that's okay. I know people sometimes suffer greatly in old age, and I used to file photos of women who came in with their hips or organs hanging out through their bed sores. ...but if we have to draw the line somewhere, it should have something to do with the patient's consent.
If you don't want to go out that way, make sure you do the advance directive; make sure you do a living will; and make sure all your family knows exactly what you want to happen. Two of my grandparents could have been saved but said they didn't want to suffer anymore, and they'd already explained to us for years what they wanted.
I can't understand this - If democrats want these things funded, why vote against it? It seems pretty obvious that they want everything shut down to make people mad at republicans. If that isn't partisanship I don't know what is. Hurting team red is paramount
"It seems pretty obvious that they want everything shut down to make people mad at republicans."
Yes, that is the narrative. And the headlines tomorrow will be 'GOP continues to shut down all the warm and fuzzies' regardless of what you can read right there.
And Obots like shreek will scream BUUUUUSH!
Why is Obama holding our parks hostage? Think of the children!
I'm surprised these didn't pass. Which R's didn't vote for them?
Ah, my bad. They all did. But then I am still confused...how did these not pass but the CRs that specifically cut out funding for Obamacare did? That didn't need a 2/3, but these do? I don't get the parliamentary rules.
All or nearly all and some Dems voted for them. According to the OP a 2/3 majority is needed to pass, though. I'm confused.
It's a fast-track procedure that needs 2/3rds. They could reintroduce them under normal rules that require a majority, but that will take longer to get to the floor.
They should do that then.
Lizzie Warren grinds an axe: Gives her take on government shutdown, which includes lots of griping on abortion and obstruction
Watch some of this video and explain to me how anyone could possibly think this woman has a shot at being president.
She has the personality and personal charisma of a dishrag, but, hey, so does Hillary.
I dunno man, she is like a perfect caricature of the modern feminist liberal, and she didn't fuck up things so bad at the State Department that Ambassadors died, so don't be shocked to watch her climb the white mans ladder on the left. The left drools over her like they did for President Not My Fault.
And hey, we'd never elect a shitty freshman senator with no leadership experience as president just because they made a few speeches, right?
I mean, we wouldn't reelect them. Yeah. No way.
The donors she needs to impress in order to win the nomination come from the far left...
You don't win the nomination by being a centrist. That's why Cruz isn't worried about swing voters right now. He's worried about outmaneuvering Rand Paul and Christie to impress Republican donors. That would change if he won the nomination, but until then?
Mission 1: Impress donors.
Mission 2: Impress primary voters.
It's the same thing on the Democrat side of the equation.
Donors are probably more impressed by extremes than primary voters, so, yeah, they'll dial down on the extreme stuff once they're outraising the competition in the primaries to focus on primary voters, and then they'll dial it down further once they've won the nomination...
That's how Obama won. That's the only shot LearJet Lizzy has--outflank Hillary from the left.
"Watch some of this video and explain to me how anyone could possibly think this woman has a shot at being president."
I saw a little documentary on an obscure senator from Illinois once, done because he was considered the most radical and socialist member of congress.
Near the end of the film it was mentioned that some thought of him as being presidential material. I thought "No fucking way that idiot scumbag will ever come close to the oval office."
"Lizzie Warren grinds an axe...
Lizzie Warren ground an axe
and gave the economy forty whacks
"Veterans, who've sacrificed for their country, will find their support centers unstaffed."
Why didn't Obama think about that when he was squandering our money on ObamaCare and nationalizing General Motors?
Doesn't he care more about our veterans than that?
My sister recently started working at the VA. She said noone at hers was furloughed yet.
A giant stack of advertisements/grocery flyers is sitting in my mailbox right now. WORST SHUTDOWN EVER.
And of course the communities and small business that rely on these national treasures for their livelihoods will be out of customers and out of luck.
You live by the teat, you die by the teat.
Jack Daddy Frap is not going to like that.
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Jack Daddy Frap doesn't like much of anything, apparently?
Is Jack Daddy Frap some kind of bot-pimp?
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I went by the gun shop today. they were making sales and the background checks were run in the normal amount of time....about 5 minutes.
Sad announcement; Big Al Forrest, my friend and owner of the store, died. I owe my gun collection to him as he gave me first dibs and good prices on lots of guns. He would call me at home anytime something interesting showed up that he knew I would want. He introduced me to a lot of people, helped me make many valuable connections. I drank a hell-of-a-lot of his coffee and laughed at a lot of his jokes. The coffee was free, but I always threw a 10 or 20 in his jar.
He was politically active and helped get more than a few good people into office, and fought like hell for the second amendment.
Al had diabetes and Rhuematoid Arthritis. He had two fingers left on each hand, one leg, and ached like hell all the time. He was at work every day, open to close, telling jokes and being upbeat. He was a strong willed and honorable man. They dont make many like him. He never took a penny of government money.
I guess he knew it was coming as we had a conversation about it the day before he died. He will be missed like hell.
Sorry to hear that.
Sounds like a great guy.
Sorry for your loss Suthen, sounds like he was a good man.
So, with these votes, most of the Democrats in the House are subject to hit pieces saying they hate veterans and national parks?
I like it - here are the Dem's crying about a specific set of 'essential' services and the R are like, 'OK, we'll compromise and fund those' and the D's come back with 'naw, ain't gonna'.
These guys are the worst anarchists ever!
Tourists will find every one of America's national parks and monuments, from Yosemite to the Smithsonian to the Statue of Liberty, immediately closed.
So the security guards that keep you out of the parks are *essential* but the ticket takers who let you into the parks are *non-essential*. Got it.
It appears that neither wapo nor politico are even mentioning this vote. Can't find it on their sites.