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Gallup: 55 Percent Support Smoking Ban in Public Places; 22 Percent Support Complete Smoking Ban

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Support for a complete smoking ban has nearly doubled since 2007 with now nearly a quarter of Americans favoring such a policy, according to Gallup. In addition, a majority (55 percent) support banning smoking in public places, up 15 points from 2007.

Some groups are more likely than others to support a complete ban on smoking. For instance, 39 percent of nonwhites support a ban while 15 percent of whites agree. Twenty-nine percent of those with no more than a high school diploma support a ban compared to 16 percent of college graduates. Democrats are also more likely to support a ban than Republicans, 26 to 19 percent.

Full survey results and methods can be found here.  

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    1. In the lower classes, sure. Get off your monocled high horse.

      1. According to the stats, the lower classes want a ban more than their superior monocled overlords.

        1. Simple, Tony was actually on here the other day saying he wanted the govt to ban smoking eventhough he’s a smoker. Pretty much came down to him not having enough ability to restrain himself so he wants daddy govt to ground him.

          1. That’s a very common sentiment, I’ve heard it for decades.

      2. If that’s true, why does Vogue and other high-end fashion magazines have cigarette ads? Or at least did like 5 years ago.

          1. Though that supports your assertion, it doesn’t explain why magazines that are presumably being bought by upper-class readers have tobacco ads.

            1. I didn’t even know they did – I mean, you said it, I’m not saying you were lying, but I didn’t know because I don’t know anything about their markets, nor do I read them.

              I was just providing some supporting evidence for the antecedent to that if…then: it IS true.

        1. If that’s true, why does Vogue and other high-end fashion magazines have cigarette ads?

          It’s possible that even though wealthy people generally don’t smoke, the wealthy people who buy Vogue do.

          1. Also that a shitload of nonwealthy people buy Vogue. To paraphrase Carrie Bradshaw, something something, really want some luxury leather goods, but can only afford either Vogue or food, choose Vogue because “it nourished me more.”

            1. That comment made me hate you more than I ever thought I could.

              1. I will seriously never forget that one line from Sex and the City. You don’t know what it’s like to have a mom like mine.

                Also, re: the other night–if you spent as much time in Hyde Park as I do, you would be just as bitchy.

                1. You watched Skank and the City? What kind of monster are you?

            2. I’m not sure if I hate you or love you now. Wait. It’s definitely hate.

            3. Speaking of which , do you use Pinterest? And if so, are there pictures of anything besides cigarettes and terrible poets on your board?

            4. Yeah, I’d go with do the “rich” really buy the magazines others think…reminds me of a Simpson’s episode:

              Homer: Yo, Apu! Give me the usual.
              Apu: Yes, sir! One Kwik-E-Dog, one bubblegum cigar, and the latest issue of “Success” magazine.

        2. I saw a Camel ad in Vogue the other day and I was like, what?!?

          1. There are still plenty of smokers out there.

            1. I just assumed advertising to them in magazines that could be bought by unsuspecting children was totes illegal.

              I mean, I’m still a smoker.

              1. I’m sure it will be soon enough. I remember my youngest cousin collecting a bunch of camel bucks or whatever they were called.

                1. My first discman was purchased with an uncle’s Camel Bucks. He had enough to get one for my brother too. And basically all the duffel bags and coolers and shit my parents take camping were purchased with Marlboro Miles. Those were the days!

              2. “I mean, I’m still a smoker.”

                I quit some time back, but I’ll be happy to stand downwind of you for the fragrance.

                1. I’m with Sevo. When you guys light up do you mind if I stand nearby? I promise not to say anything or attempt eye contact.

              3. “I saw a Camel ad in Vogue the other day and I was like, what?!?”

                “I mean, I’m still a smoker.”

                So you smoke and read Vogue. Maybe the ad men know what they’re doing.

              4. totes illegal

                Goddamn you to hell, Nikki.

            2. 2 nights ago, I was getting gas, and as I was getting in my car to drive off, the gas station attendant, or convenient mart attendant if you will, since no one pays for gas inside anymore, walked out the door and across in front of me, between the pumps, with a lit cigarette in his mouth. Nothing shocks me much more, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen anything like that.

              1. Decades ago, in the era before self-service, I saw an attendant pumping gas while smoking a cigarette. He bent in a sort of contortionist way to keep his face away from the gas cap. I avoided that gas station from then on.

                1. in the era before self-service

                  Also known as “The Present” in Oregon and New Jersey.

                2. Cigarettes don’t ignite fuel; complete myth.

                  The fuel douses the butt.

                  1. anon| 7.30.13 @ 8:32PM |#
                    “Cigarettes don’t ignite fuel; complete myth.
                    The fuel douses the butt.”

                    ABSOLUTELY true.
                    I’ll offer 100:1 odds; you get gasoline burning from a (non-enhanced; not huffing and puffing from the side) tobacco cigarette, you win the bet.

                  2. A lit cigarette won’t ignite gasoline fumes? Really?

                    1. If it did all our parents and grandparents would have burned to death and we would’ve never been born!

                    2. Well, go back far enough and gas was much less stable, but for today’s gas – a lit cig will near/around gas pumps will not start a fire/explosion.

                      A friend who worked at a gas station in a richer area had a couple pumps where you could ask for an attendant to help.

                      The few that used it tended to be wealthy, noninfirmed, and female. He made it a point to light a cig every time he helped them pump gas.

              2. Re gas and smoking, as with anything important in life the MythBusters have tried it and indeed it is for the most part a myth.

                The only way it can work is if you put the cigarette right up to the gasoline as you’re inhaling it, and even then it’s a stretch.

                http://mythbustersresults.com/special7

                1. A decade or so ago, I got out of the shower to an orange glow coming from my apartment’s bedroom window. It turned out some white trash buffoon flicked a cigarette out his car window which landed in the backseat next to a gas can. The gas can, then the car, went up in flames. That “partly plausible” event actually happened, and according to the Fire Department there had happened many times before. OTOH some special effects guys with no formal science education are skeptical.

                  1. That “partly plausible” event actually happened, and according to the Fire Department there had happened many times before. OTOH some special effects guys with no formal science education are skeptical.

                    Burn.

      3. I’m glad that we all agree that Obama is in the lower class.

    2. I recently began smoking to pass the time after a breakup. Fuck it I’m hooked now. Half a pack a day I limit myself to though.

      It amazes me how anal people are about cigarette smoke but don’t complain about the shit coming out of their tailpipe or a coal stack.

      1. I know all the words there, but that first sentence makes no sense to me.

        1. he broke up with a cigarette.

          1. They are delicate little things and should never be left for the wind to carry them away.

            Bottom line i recently picked up smoking but limit myself to half a pack a day. I acknowledge that I actually enjoy smoking now, so fuck it I’m going to do it even if people around have sads about it.

      2. Last I heard modern car exhaust can be cleaner than the input air, in places with significant air pollution.

        I think the real reason people are “anal” about cigarette smoke vs. the exhaust from the cars going by is that the cigarette smoke is strong and acrid and actively unpleasant*, and the exhaust, well, isn’t, typically.

        (* And I say this as someone who recreationally smokes cigars and a pipe – and who thinks everyone would smoke all the time if cigarette smoke smelled as delicious as an unburnt one…)

        1. Tell you what, go down to Mexico City and wrap your lips around a car’s exhaust pipe. Then let’s see who dies first, you or the driver.

      3. If you’re going to fuck your lungs up, just smoke some weed, at least you get high for your efforts.

        BTW, I don’t want to ban smoking, but the shit smells fucking awful to a non-smoker, really.

        I used to go out to bars occasionally when they still allowed smoking, and the next day, I wanted to burn my clothes because of the wretched smell.

        Yeah, I know, I’m a cosmotarian monocle wearing elitist snob, but at least I care about your rights to keep smoking anywhere you please, even if I don’t like it.

        1. I agree, and I think the indoor smoking bans are analogous to child labor laws: the practice was long since on its way out when the law went into effect. Populist politics rides the coattails of public preference.

          1. (^I saw “law” referring to the local ordinances, but it’s probably applicable all around. The law goes into effect, affects only those bars whose customers have self-selected smoking dens, but gives all of the do-gooders a tingly feeling in the very cockles of their hearts about how much healther and unhappier a tiny minority of harmless smokers will be.)

        2. And burning your clothes would produce a better odor?

    3. I’m commenting from my local bar, on my iPhone, while smoking a camel non-filtered. Of course, I have to stand out on the sidewalk like a hobo.

      Smoke ’em up Johnny!

      1. What bar you at?

        1. This is exactly how Ted Bundy found his victims.

        2. Baddeleys Pour House in LBC. Stio by sometime! I’ve met a few self-identified libertarians there. Probably FBI plants.

          1. Stio = stop.

            4 vodkas in…

      2. Mmmm, smoked camel meat….

  1. The first few seasons were promising, but the human race has really jumped the shark.

  2. I think we should ban smoking entirely. Then people would stop doing it!

    1. Of course they would. Any suggestion to the contrary is just loonytarian crazy talk.

    2. I think we should have banned asking questions about banning smoking. Maybe no one would have started to want to ban smoking if we had.

  3. Democrats are also more likely to support a ban than Republicans, 26 to 19 percent.

    This is how Team Blue honors your right to make choices over your own body.

    1. So Team Red wants to ban pot and Team Blue wants to ban tobacco.

      1. RTeam Blue passed the original marijuana ban. They’ll try to again where it is legalized. Public Health and all that.

    2. To be fair, I believe Team Blue supports a woman’s right to smoke through her vagina.

      1. I don’t know if you can extrapolate that from their position on one President sticking a cigar in there.

    3. “Secondhand smoke harms children and stuff, and hurts children if mothers smoke while pregnant!”

      (Ask the speaker how that comports with “my body, my choice” and “it’s just a fetus” and await being told to shut up because you hate women.

      I mean, I don’t even have a strong opinion there, but I hate unconscious inconsistency.

      Be consistent.

      Or be inconsistent but know it and acknowledge that you’ve thought it over.)

      1. Ah, the joys of forming every political opinion from one’s own emotional reactions.

  4. The spread between Reps and Dems isn’t as wide as I thought it would be (7%), but I’m shocked at the spread between nonwhites and whites. Maybe we really should kick out all the people of color!

    Really though, how can people finally be coming around to legalizing weed, and at the same time be growing more in favor of outlawing tobacco? That makes no goddamn sense.

    And if they think things are bad in Mexico due to trafficing in illegal substances, well hey, where the fuck do you think a bunch of tobacco is grown? You want to turn the south into a goddamn warzone?

    1. Wasn’t the country pretty much founded on tobacco?

      Now with Obamacare we will see more and more of this type of proposal, whether it’s smoking or unhealthy foods, or anything else Top Men consider gauche. The “we’re all in this together” excuse has already been used for years to justify seatbelt and helmet laws and it will only intensify.

      1. Tobacco and fur trapping. One of those things is already illegal in California.

        1. That’s probably hate speech in Canada.

          1. Does fur trapping have something to do with hot lesbian threesomes?

        2. I read that as tobacco and fapping…

      2. I’ll just go ahead and leave this here again.

        Sunstein has argued, “We should celebrate tax day.”[26] Sunstein argues that since government (in the form of police, fire departments, insured banks, and courts) protects and preserves property and liberty, individuals should happily finance it with their tax dollars:

        “In what sense is the money in our pockets and bank accounts fully ‘ours’? Did we earn it by our own autonomous efforts? Could we have inherited it without the assistance of probate courts? Do we save it without the support of bank regulators? Could we spend it if there were no public officials to coordinate the efforts and pool the resources of the community in which we live? Without taxes, there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public? There is no liberty without dependency.”

        1. Sunstein goes on to say:

          “If government could not intervene effectively, none of the individual rights to which Americans have become accustomed could be reliably protected. […] This is why the overused distinction between “negative” and “positive” rights makes little sense. Rights to private property, freedom of speech, immunity from police abuse, contractual liberty and free exercise of religion ? just as much as rights to Social Security, Medicare and food stamps ? are taxpayer-funded and government-managed social services designed to improve collective and individual well-being.”

          1. Wow the stupidity is strong with this one.

          2. I get it now: This country never truly had liberty until we made it legal for the masses to pick the pockets of one group to pay for their desired objectives.

          3. My God this is such horse shit. How many examples can we cite in human history where people have held, defended, and enjoyed property without an overarching state?

            Think of the millions of transactions that occurred between traders in ancient times – there was no police, often times no authority whatsoever upon which you could rely, but by God those silks and spices still trundled down the Silk Road. Guess what, Sunstein? Mankind has lived three million years without Social Security and Medicare; it will do just fine if they vanished tomorrow.

          4. I propose a new holiday. National punch Cass Sunstein in the Face Day.

            1. Too harsh. Let’s all just nudge him. Repeatedly.

          5. So it’s settled: Freedom really is slavery.

          6. I fucking hate you for posting that every time.

            I really wish he’d have a heart attack, or some other unfortunate “accident.”

            1. I really wish he’d have a heart attack, or some other unfortunate “accident.”

              Holy shit, Cass Sunstein is a guy? I always sort of assumed he was a woman.

              Who names a son ‘Cass?’ No wonder he grew up to have no balls.

              1. Yup, it’s a dude. Pretty douchey looking one at that.

                For that man, there truly is one god, and it is Government.

        2. Without taxes, there would be no liberty. Without taxes there would be no property. Without taxes, few of us would have any assets worth defending. [It is] a dim fiction that some people enjoy and exercise their rights without placing any burden whatsoever on the public? There is no liberty without dependency.”

          I also love that he says this while offering no citation.

          When you say something totally contrary to the ideals that our very society was founded on, you’d better offer some damn evidence.

          1. Don’t read it man. Do yourself a favor.

            Reading Cass Sunstein is like pointing a loaded gun at your head when you have parkinson’s.

          2. Also, just to torture you:
            “Every reasonable person believes in animal rights,”

            -Cass Sunstein.

            1. It depends what you mean by animal rights. I assume Sunstein means ‘Every reasonable person knows that we shouldn’t pollute the Earth Mother and make the pandas sad.’

              1. No, the rabbit hole goes way deeper than that.

                I vaguely recall him believing imprisoning people that eat meat was ok.

                1. I vaguely recall him believing imprisoning people that eat meat was ok.

                  I just searched for his views on animals online. Apparently he believes that people should be able to sue on behalf of animals in court, that we should ban hunting, and that we should stop anyone from being able to eat meat.

                  According to Politifact, each of these claims is ‘half true.’ If politifact claims something bad about a liberal is ‘half true’ then you can rest assured it is totally, 100% true.

                  1. Yeah, see, I wasn’t far off. I knew it was something absolutely fucking retarded.

                  2. I just searched for his views on animals online. Apparently he believes that people should be able to sue on behalf of animals in court,

                    Then can I sue the bear that destroyed my bird feeder? Or at least sue Sunstein for granting the bear “rights”?

            2. When you can’t reason, just blithely assert.

    2. “Really though, how can people finally be coming around to legalizing weed, and at the same time be growing more in favor of outlawing tobacco? That makes no goddamn sense”

      Easy.

      The marijuana folks keep pushing “marijuana never killed/hurt anyone EVER!” and the anti-tobacco people keep trying lies like “third-hand smoke” (or even “second-hand smoke is REALLY BAD regardless of exposure”).

      Add that to class marker stupidity and it’s not hard to understand.

      Who doesn’t want to screw other people over from having fun “for their own good”?

      1. Who doesn’t want to screw other people over from having fun “for their own good”?

        Um…me?

      2. I remember when there used to be the calm that marijuana smoke had up 20 times the tar of tobacco smoke, but that seems to have completely disappeared.

    3. From the article

      “A bill introduced in the Oregon state legislature this year would make cigarettes illegal to purchase without a doctor’s prescription”

      Seriously, Oregon.

      1. Makes me want to smoke.

    4. You want to turn the south into a goddamn warzone?

      Your average big city dweller would love to see the South burn.

    5. Without even looking at the cross tables, from knowledge of the usual race breakdown of the parties, that means the spread between white Ds & white Rs must be less than between Ds & Rs in gen’l.

      What you wrote in your 2nd para. was remarked on by Murray Rothbard at least 35 yrs. ago.

    1. I’m still not quite sure why they’re buying newspapers…

      1. Have they actually purchased any of them yet? Maybe this is how the super rich troll.

        1. Totally worth it just for the large numbers of people working for the Times who said they’d resign if they bought the paper.

      2. Greg83| 7.30.13 @ 6:56PM |#
        “I’m still not quite sure why they’re buying newspapers.”

        Most ‘newspapers’ are just one of the products of a company, but the most visible. And the companies aren’t gonna sell the good parts naked.

    2. I love the Koch Brothers just for driving liberals crazy.

      They don’t even have to do anything. They just go about their days, making tons of money, smoking cigars, banging chicks (presumably) and liberals lose their minds. It’s a great gig if you can get it.

      1. I saw it on facebook and since David Simon is on board all the progtards wish Omar could just “take care of” the Koch’s.

  5. It shouldn’t even be banned in bars. It’s called private property. There is no such thing as a “public accommodation.”

    1. Of course, the owner can ban it if he wants. It’s not so much the ban, as it is the fact that the government has no legitimate claim to the right to ban.

  6. Hmm, I wonder how many people support the death penalty for drug use, how many support jailing homosexuals, how many support compulsory religious support.

    1. how many support compulsory religious support

      Not many unless you count Atheists.

      1. We’re also the reason you can’t buy beer on Sundays.

        1. Isn’t the Theocratic State of Connecticut the last one?

      2. Atheists; not saying shit about anyone’s right to believe in whatever magical sky-daddy they want and somehow still eating shit for it.

        1. Well, there was this

          And let’s be honest, just about every Western atheist org in the world is incredibly statist and focused on shutting down the right of Christfags in the US and Europe to speech and assembly in “public accomodations”, whatever that means. I don’t see a whole lot of atheists charging the barricades and trying to dismantle religious theocracies in the ME or even the efforts of Christians in Uganda and such to institute dominionist laws.

          For every anon, there are about nine Shreeks.

      3. Why would atheists support forcing people to support churches?

    2. Hmm, I wonder how many people support the death penalty for drug use

      Nukular Titties Grimgrinch?

  7. my body my choice!

    /nonsmoker

  8. It’s always nice to see what the results would be if all our rights were put up to a vote.

    And by “nice,” I mean “extremely depressing.”

    1. Fuck that shit, I’d kill myself as soon as that came to a vote. Or whoever put it to a vote. You know, whatever.

  9. Obviously one’s tax revenue productivity is reduced by tobacco smoking and thus must be banned.

    1. Ah, but early deaths reduce pension and Social Security costs.

  10. Apparently, nine percent of smokers think smoking should be illegal

    1. They need to be protected from themselves.

    2. After my exposure to people like Tony this does not really surprise me.

  11. Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of tobacco within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for smoking purposes is hereby prohibited.

    1. This couldn’t possibly have any negative side-effects!

  12. So I guess “smoking” doesn’t include pot?

  13. Wait, are we talking about cigarettes, pot, or cocks?

    I object to smoking cock personally, but you know, do whatever you want.

    1. I object to smoking cock personally, but you know, do whatever you want.

      Lorena Bobbitt would approve.

  14. So is this the rising libertarian movement that I’m always hearing about? The one that Chris Christie is supposed to be one of the stars of? If so, I’m going to need some propane and matches…

    1. I guess pot willbe legal but no one will be able to smoke it?

      1. In the great Democratic tradition, they can smoke; they just can’t inhale.

      2. So, brownies then?

        But does Bloomberg approve of those? Will they make people fat?

        1. Organic chronic granola bars of course. available at whole foods.

          1. But only if they’re gluten-free.

  15. Dude knows exactly whats going on over there. Wow.

    http://www.Anon-Top.tk

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