9/11

Joe Biden May Not Often Be Right, But When He Was It Was Pretty Astute; Noun-Verb-9/11 Still a Politician Favorite

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Did you hear the one about the guy in Washington who was arrested after doing exactly what Joe Biden recommended people do to scare off intruders (firing a shotgun into the air)? That happened; JD Tuccille noted when Biden first dispensed the advice that it very well could. The vice president's sort of a big joke, but not in the endearing way The Onion's version of him is. Nevertheless, Joe Biden was right once.

During a presidential debate in the run up to the 2008 Democratic primary season, Biden decided to look ahead and take a shot at Rudy Giuliani, who had about as much chance of winning the GOP primary as Biden had on the Democrat side. Par for the course for primary candidates to start with the attacks on their possible general election rivals. Biden said Giuliani's entire campaign was "a noun, a verb, and 9/11":

Four years later, Joe Biden would adopt Giuliani's campaign style, repeatedly touting "Osama bin Laden dead, Detroit alive". It shouldn't be surprising, because using 9/11 and terrorists and the threat/fear of terrorism in lieu of rational arguments is just too easy for our rarely-thinking politicians not to do.

We saw it on display Tuesday with the vigorous defense of the NSA program by Republicans like Mike Rogers and Michele Bachmann (Democrats didn't really defend the program on the House Floor, but it's their president, right or, mostly, wrong, so 83 of them defended him when it came down to a vote). And we saw it again this week in the context of the 2016 election, as Jesse Walker highlighted last night, with Chris Christie calling the "strain" of libertarianism in the GOP (and the Democratic party?) dangerous, because he hasn't forgotten 9/11.  There was no attempt at rational argument in his comments, just an appeal to emotion. Christie suggested Paul and others urging caution about the national security state go "sit across from the [9/11] widows and the orphans," as if there were no families of the victims of 9/11 that believed differently from Chris Christie. So here we are America, in the early stages of the 2016 presidential election, with politicians using the same tired 9/11 fearmongering that started helping them get elected as early as Michael Bloomberg's 2001 mayoral victory

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  1. Fear sells.

  2. “Hi, we’re the government, and we’re gonna take a big ol’ dump in your flower garden, smack your wife on the ass, force your kids to wash our cars, and shoot your dog, ‘kay?”

    “But, Constitution! Civil liberties! Basic human rights!”

    “Terrorists. Checkmate.”

  3. 9-11, the 21st century equivalent to “waving the bloody shirt” politics after the War for Southern Independence. It’s going to take decades before these emotional appeals stop having electoral significance.

    1. Or slavers’ screams about carpetbaggers and scallywags.

      Eastern TN, western NC and southwestern VA for years sent Republicans to the Legislature (and occasionally Congress) with the same basic views as the Democrats from the rest of the state, thanks to war memories.

      A certain part of Sandhills NC started and continued voting Republican after 1908 in anger at how the Democrats had treated the NC Populists’ (People’s Party), who in NC locally had fusion with the Republicans. (The reverse of nationally.)

      1. Sure, but in most parts of the South, being a Republican was akin to saying you worshipped the devil. Gen. Longstreet became a Republican (and his old pal Grant appointed him to a lucrative job) and that just about ruined his Civil War reputation until
        recently.

        1. Right, and it worked conversely in those parts of the South that had opposed secession. So in the states where secession was a close run thing (lots of mountain folks), you had areas with closely competing parties that really didn’t disagree on much at all about policy, just about something that wasn’t really relevant anymore.

          Incidentally, I see that the GOP in NC is repealing straight ticket voting, first brought in by the Dems in 1925 to stop the wave of registered Dems who would vote Republican in a few high-profile races, especially Presidential. Didn’t work in 1928, as Hoover won NC, but the Great Depression cured that for a while.

    2. 911 and global warming. The best scare tactics in the history of scumbag politicians

      1. The best scare tactics in the history of scumbag politicians

        Nope. Just the latest scare tactics of scumbag politicians.

  4. Probably not a very popular sentiment, but if the most damage terrorists were able to do to us is 3,000 people and a couple of buildings when we apparently WEREN’T paying attention to them, we might be overreacting just a little bit now.

  5. I wish this boogeyman would die already, but both parties are determined to keep it on life support. The terrorists may not have won, but we sure as hell haven’t won either.

  6. What’s the name of the crooked senator from striptease?

    1. Burt Reynolds?

      It doesn’t matter what his character name is – all characters played by Burt Reynolds are simply “Burt Reynolds”

  7. Did you hear the one about the guy in Washington who was arrested after doing exactly what Joe Biden recommended people do to scare off intruders (firing a shotgun into the air)

    Yes. I posted it in the AM links and did not get a hat tip. I guess you have to be a legacy poster to get a freaking h/t round here. DISCRIMINATION!

    1. I’m boycotting Florida 😮

      1. Nicely done.

    2. Hey, Biden’s a lawyer, should’ve been a pretty good “reliance” defense. Didn’t work, huh?

  8. I am enjoying that fact that liberty-oriented folks are free of Michele Bachmann. I’m pissed she voted against the amendment, but am glad to be away from Crazy Eyes.

  9. Christie suggested Paul and others urging caution about the national security state go “sit across from the [9/11] widows and the orphans,” as if there were no families of the victims of 9/11 that believed differently from Chris Christie.

    Somebody get me the names and numbers of the widows and orphans of 9/11 so I can tell them that whatever grief they feel from losing their loved ones is not grounds to strip me of my rights.

  10. My image of Biden was formed during the Borkery: a senator with choppers that gave out actinic rays and who appeared very fair and proper at 1st but then flattened into a caricature of car salesman.

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