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Firearm Instructor Home Night-Raided Over Facebook Photo of His Son Holding a Gun

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In this age of gun control panic leading legislators to propose ineffectual and pointless restrictions of certain disfavored weapons, one firearms instructor and his family in New Jersey have learned a valuable lesson: don't offend the sensibilities of your neighbors when it comes to this contentious issue.

From a Fox Radio News report:

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

"Someone called family services about the photo," said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. "It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids."

Moore was not arrested or charged.

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid.

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid….

"The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline," spokesperson Kristen Brown said. "We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry."

Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.

He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state's hunter safety course….

The family's trouble started Saturday night when Moore received an urgent text message from his wife. The Carneys Point Police Dept. and the New Jersey Dept. of Children and Families had raided their home.

Moore immediately called Nappen and rushed home to find officers demanding to check his guns and his gun safe….

With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.

"I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn't open my safe," Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. "They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead."….

The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.

"He has a Fourth Amendment right and he's not going to give up his Fourth Amendment right or his Second Amendment right," he said. "They didn't have a warrant – so see you later."

The government is, as usual, sure it did the right thing, and what are you gonna do about it anyway?

Brown told Fox News that it's "prudent and wise to protect children."

"In many cases we may follow up on something and we don't find any problems and the case is closed," she said.

But the person who reported the false allegations of abuse cannot be held liable, she noted.

"You can't be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it's false," she said.

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  1. I fully realize that no amount of stupidity, especially in a backwards and ignorant place like the Northeast, should ever surprise me. But honestly, who in the hell calls CPS over a picture of a kid with a rifle? How does someone that ignorant feed themselves? And remember, these are the same people who are convinced anyone in flyover country is a ignorant hick.

    1. New Jersey is Mid-Atlantic, Damnit!

      1. It is on the Washington to Boston I 95 corridor, which means it is backward and generally ignorant.

        1. Bahstan and Washington are definitely ignorant, along with everything in between.

          1. along with everything in between

            Since the world is a sphere, that means everywhere, I guess. Seems accurate.

            1. Since the world is a sphere….

              Oblate spheroid……

              No was expects teh Shape Nazi!

        2. Yeah, fair enough. From Mass. south, it’s pretty bad. I just don’t like getting lumped in with all of those assholes.

    2. The kid’s smiling while holding a rifle. Of course there’s no indication of abuse. This was just a variation of SWATing. Clearly that guy is a bad person for letting his kid handle a weapon, and he deserves to be punished.

      1. Never mind the kid is demonstrating better gun handling than your typical cop does.

        1. I liked how clearly his trigger finger was placed correctly.

          1. If the cop intends to kill you, his finger is not placed incorrectly. And he _does_ intend to kill you.

  2. …anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

    I’ve heard that Kristen Brown may or may not beat her children. I think somebody needs to check into that.

    1. I dare you to call the hotline.

      1. I tripple dog dare you to call the hotline!

    2. “You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse ?even if it’s false,” she said.

      Really? Really? Really! A call to the hotline about Kristen Brown’s children is looking more and more like a no-lose proposition!
      Oh, and how many New Jersey legislators have children? We should probably get them checked out, too!
      Man — I envision a great new hobby!

      1. Honestly, if I were the reporter interviewing Brown, I would have said, “So, if I picked up the phone RIGHT NOW and reported you for child abuse, CPS and the cops would have to come to your home and there’d be absolutely no negative repercussions for me?”
        And if she said “yes,” I’d start dialing, if only to see the look of horror on her face.

        1. Oh, man, somebody has to do that.

        2. If it’s really the law, the New Jersey LP should set up a phone bank to call the hotline and report every New Jersey legislator every day until the law is changed.
          (This is why nobody takes libertarians seriously.)

          1. And since I truly believe that being a legislator (or working for DCF) is prima facie evidence of being an unfit parent, I wouldn’t even be lying.

          2. New Jersey has a libertarian party?

            1. It’s probably more of a coffee klatch than a party.

            2. Is it really a party if only one person is there?

              1. It is when I’m there, buddy.

                1. I’m not your buddy, pal.

                  1. I’m not your pal, friend.

            3. 21,045 votes for Gary Johnson in 2012 in NJ. Only 0.58% of the voters, though.

          3. Exactly the same thought I had. Let’s see how their ill-thought-out law responds to an old-fashioned manual DoS attack. After all, if you can’t be arrested for making a false call, there’s no incentive to keep all of us from making false calls all day and all night.

        3. Honestly, if I were the reporter interviewing Brown…

          Couldn’t you use your journalistic background to afford some cover? If CPS/LE really wanted to jump on you, couldn’t you just say you were writing an article about the unique flaws of the law?

          1. Hmm. I’m actually on assignment in Trenton in mid-April. True story. (Unfortunately, my corporate masters might look askance at me wandering so far from my designated topic.)

            1. Freelance it.

              1. My corporate masters claim control over all my for-profit works of non-fiction. True story. (And I’m cool with that. It’s a living.)

                1. True story.

                  Your masters own your HyR posts, too!!!

                  1. Wait, other people are profiting from this? KOCHTOPUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

                  2. See — that’s why I specified “for profit.” I post here solely out of love.

                    1. The KOCHTOPUS isn’t paying you to post here?!? Sucker!

                    2. But I love the Kochtopus. So it’s win-win.

                    3. That’s not true love. That’s Stockholm Syndrome.

                2. [My corporate masters claim control over all my for-profit works of non-fiction. True story. (And I’m cool with that. It’s a living.)

                  So do Dunphy’s masters. Join him as another Sonderkommando you spineless fuckstick and stfu about everything forever.

            2. Also, looking at your blog this morning and saw the “Blast from the Past” post. Ken-yon Rambo, John Cooper, and the phrase, “I tell you what…”. That kid quoted started talking like Coach Cooper. I’m surprised he didn’t throw in a “dog will hunt”.

              Coach Cooper at tOSU: The Lost Decade…

      2. “You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse ?even if it’s false,”

        What could possibly go wrong?

        1. Silly me, I thought we had a right to face our accusers.

    3. In another forum I recently saw a remark by a CPS worker that about 80% of the abuse that is reported to them comes from people who simply see reporting abuse as a way to attack someone they don’t like.

  3. Some times I really think we need a do over. Starting around maybe 1781.

    1. Critique of Pure Reason?

  4. The government is, as usual, sure it did the right thing, and what are you gonna do about it anyway?

    A bit more cumbersome than “Fuck You, That’s Why”, but maybe gets the point across without the language that would turn off some people.

  5. But the person who reported the false allegations of abuse cannot be held liable, she noted.

    “You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse ?even if it’s false,” she said.

    Gee, there’s no way that will cause any problems.

    1. But that is only the half of it. The other half is that you can be criminally liable for not reporting child abuse. There is no penalty for making a false claim and a criminal penalty for not reporting. Perverse incentives, how do they work?

      1. They work really well for creating perverse outcomes.

    2. Tell me about it, as someone who has twice had people report false allegations of child abuise/neglect because they had an axe to grind this seriously pisses me off.

      The first was my ex wife, She was supposed to have filed the paperwork for our completely uncontested divorce but kept dragging her feet and in the meantime I had moved on and had twins with my now current wife. So I got tired of waiting and went and filed on my own even though it meant driving from Ohio to Georgia to do so (I had also relocated in the meantime). The day after I get back from the divorce hearing DFCS shows up at the door with this wild story of us neglecting our twins to the point of their being near death from nutrition. Fortunately for me my ex had forgotten that I knew her Livejournal password and we showed the social worker the posts she had made with friends to plan out the call.

      The second was a neighbor who was “uncomfortable” with living next door to a non Christian family. This one I couldn’t prove unfortunately and so it was a bit more to deal with.

      1. Not that your first story isn’t insane, but the second one is insane.

        1. Seriously, how can ANYONE be non-Christian? Insane.

          1. Infidel! I keeeel you!

            /Wahabist

      2. Dude, your ex really is a piece of work. You make me feel better about some of the crazies I’ve dated.

        1. Nothing makes me feel better about some of the crazies I’ve dated.

          1. Tequila helps. Unless, of course, that’s what got you into those relationships in the first place.

      3. This one I couldn’t prove unfortunately and so it was a bit more to deal with.

        Not that I doubt you, but if you couldn’t prove it how were you sure it was because you were a non-Christian family?

        1. Because some of the specific complaints made could have only come from someone in our cul-de-sac which had 6 houses, two of which was vacant at the time.

          We were friends with another leaving only 2 possibilities, however both of those were very close friends, one of whom we pretty much never had any interactions with either good or bad (we never saw the guy) and the other we knew they didn’t like us because they refused to allow their kids to play with our kids because we were “devil worshipers”

          They also refused to allow their kids to trick or treat at our house or do door to door fund raising for their various sports teams at our house.

          And of course their oldest kid (a year older than our oldest) was pretty much a first rate bully and troublemaker to boot.

          All that said they never said anything to us and were coldly cordial to us when we me them, it was only their kids telling our kids why they weren’t allowed to play together that clued us into what was going on.

          1. And of course their oldest kid (a year older than our oldest) was pretty much a first rate bully and troublemaker to boot.

            Sounds like a whole family of bullies.

          2. Out of curiosity, and if you don’t mind, what religion are you that would get you labeled “devil worshipers” by such an upstanding, tolerant neighbor?

            1. Hell, I got that label by cutting down trees that were dead or infested with carpenter ant or powder post beetles without getting HOA permission. There’s been no indication of any religious faith from them before or since, so I suspect it was meant as general derision.

              Of course, I’ve been barbecuing a couple goats each summer since then, so maybe they decided to shut up and cringe.

            2. I’m an athiest and my wife is a NeoPagan. We attended a Unitarian Universalist church where my wife was one of the Sunday School teachers and are bringing our kids up to be open and tolerant of all religions and allowing them to make their own choices as far as what to believe.

              At the time our oldest (9 years old back then) was an a Greek Gods kick and seemed to be firmly convinced that they were the real gods that existed and had an amusing/annoying habit of asking people which god they were referring to whenever they invoked god, which given that we were in Kentucky did not go over so well.

              1. That’s awesome on multiple levels.

              2. I love it!
                Though I would have to go Norse, only because of people’s preconceptions of the Vikings.
                (Will anyone take me in when my wife divorces me over this?)

                1. Oh I would have preferred Norse.

                  If it weren’t for the fact that I believe the whole gods business to be a bunch of superstitious mumbo jumbo and the unfortunate ties to white supremacists I could almost see myself becoming a follower of Asatru (the modern name for the Norse religion)

                  1. Gotta agree on the Norse gods. You’ve got to love a religion that includes a named squirrel.

              3. My wife attended the UU church In Alabama for a while and loved it. She found another in Idaho, but they were pushing a progressive agenda so she bagged it.

      4. The second was a neighbor who was “uncomfortable” with living next door to a non Christian family.

        Words fail.

        1. Like my goat BBQ parties: Bring a drum and scream Oooooo-walla-walla!

      5. It was probably all your blood sacrifices that freaked them out.

        1. The blood sacrifices, orgies, devil worship… take your pick.

          1. Probably just angry they didn’t get invited to the parties.

            1. Satanatarians = libertarians who trade principle for invitations to the cool blood orgies.

              1. That whole orgy thing sounds fun until you see the people who actually go to such things.

                1. Same is true about nude beaches and nudist colonies.

                  I actually got invited to an orgy once. This middle aged guy I worked with pulled out his phone and showed me a naked picture of his girlfriend. Then asked if I wanted to have sex with her. After seeing that picture, I didn’t want to have sex with ANYONE.

                  1. Got invited to White Tail Park in 1985. I was shocked at how prudish they were.

      6. Having gone through a couple of DCF investigations where the alleged abuse had actually occurred, and there was irrefutable evidence to substantiate that it had occurred and where they nonetheless concluded that they were unsubstantiated, I view DCF as being essentially modern versions of Witch-Finders.

        1. Pretty much. You have to remember, these people are overworked and incompetent. Honest people are naive and cooperate with them. People with something to hide don’t cooperate and fight them at every turn. So what happens is they go after the honest people because they are easy to pick on and easy to come up with something to justify their jobs. The actual abusers in contrast put up a fight and make things hard. So the CPS workers have neither the time nor the inclination to go after them.

      7. The second was a neighbor who was “uncomfortable” with living next door to a non Christian family.

        WTF? Do tell more, please.

        1. I know. I want to know more too. It is killing me. Who the hell were these people? How much fun could there to be had torturing them?

          1. I had a disreputable friend in college who had very devout fundamentalist parents, had damn near memorized large swathes of the Bible, and had very light blue eyes that would turn pink when his blood pressure went up.

            He used to torture the Campus Crusaders for Christ by pretending to be Satan walking to and fro on the Earth. It was freaking hysterical, he actually caused one poor girl to turn her back on Christianity by quoting scripture at her to support his argument that God was the evil one and that he was using her and would betray her. Some people were trying to figure out if he really were Satan, so they came up with all sorts of tests – trying to slip holy water into his drink unnoticed etc, and he invariably would ‘pass’ the tests.

            The reason he got away with it was that he was confronting people who emotionally had latched onto a religion they didn’t really understand, and who thus were ill equipped to confront knowledgeable challenges to their religion.

            1. Most campus Christian organizations are just social groups and ways for people to pair up and marry their own kind. Not exactly the types of places for any kind of reasoned discussion sadly.

              1. No wonder I never fit in when my mother sent me on those stupid Christian summer camps. I thought it was about reasoned discussion, while my peers were there only to hook up.

                1. You didn’t know that sarcasmic? Christian girls won’t go all the way, but they love to please if you know what I mean.

                  1. You didn’t know that sarcasmic?

                    Not at the time, no. I was a good little boy.

              2. Being in Campus Crusade for Christ for a semester is actually what made me stop believing in God. Their literalist approach to the bible was just so ridiculous that I ended up increasingly questioning everything as the semester wore on.

                Unfortunately, religion is like a sweater with a loose string. You start by just questioning that one thing and pretty soon the whole mess is unraveling.

                1. Unfortunately, religion is like a sweater with a loose string. You start by just questioning that one thing and pretty soon the whole mess is unraveling.

                  Five thousand years of religious scholarship would say otherwise. You seriously don’t think that the only two acceptable positions are atheism and strict literalism? If so, I would say the loose string is in your head not in any particular religion.

                  1. Well, I’d say I’m more agonostic than atheist strictly. But what I meant is, once you start having arguments over why I shouldn’t treat the Garden of Eden as a literal account of creation just because it’s in the Bible, you very quickly get to wondering if you should really believe that this one guy, unlike every other human that ever lived, came back from the dead, without any evidence whatsoever, just because you read it in the same book.

                    1. without any evidence whatsoever,

                      There is no direct evidence. There is a lot of indirect evidence, namely that the religion didn’t die like every other messianic cult. The Romans knew how to deal with such people. You nail their leader to a cross and tell them the next person who says such a thing is getting the same fate. State religion was a serious issue then because people lived in fear of disorder and religious wars. It is totally inexplicable why Christianity didn’t die with Christ and why the original group of believers were able to convince anyone to join them much less die for them.

                      That may not count as evidence to you. But it is one of the most fascinating and unexplainable phenomenons in all of history.

                    2. All it means, John, is that prohibition doesn’t work.

                    3. Even God couldn’t get prohibition to work, and he only had two people to keep track of.

                    4. It is totally inexplicable why Christianity didn’t die with Christ and why the original group of believers were able to convince anyone to join them much less die for them.

                      It’s no more inexplicable than the fact that Islam didn’t die with Mohammed, Mormonism didn’t die with Joseph Smith, or Branch Davidianism didn’t die with David Koresh.

                      Wiccanism was invented pretty much whole cloth in the 1930s, yet there’s thousands of people today convinced its been around for centuries. We just had a story on H&R on how Jedii is becoming a real religion.

                      People will believe all kinds of crazy shit. The sincerity of that belief doesn’t make it more true.

                      In 2,000 years, future-John will be on future-HandR telling us how Obi Wan Kenobi couldn’t possibly have been made up because there’s no way the religion would have survived Emperor Bloomberg’s purge if it wasn’t real.

                    5. In 2,000 years, future-John will be on future-HandR telling us how Obi Wan Kenobi couldn’t possibly have been made up because there’s no way the religion would have survived Emperor Bloomberg’s purge if it wasn’t real.

                      It’s only funny because it’s true!

                    6. “There is a lot of indirect evidence, namely that the religion didn’t die like every other messianic cult.”

                      Appeal to Posterity? A generally neglected fallacy, but a fallacy nonetheless.

                2. I started to question the whole thing when I asked in response to being told that anyone who has not accepted Jesus into their heart is doomed, “What about the Indians and others who lived for thousands of years but were never given a chance? Did they all go to Hell for no fault of their own?” All I got in response was sputtering.

                  Then this whole notion that an invisible man whose existence is based upon faith always existed and created everything that can be proven to exist ten thousand years ago, but the notion that everything that can be proven to exist always existed is heresy…

                  It all unraveled after that.

                  1. I’ve always been an atheist, but, I mean, this

                    “What about the Indians and others who lived for thousands of years but were never given a chance? Did they all go to Hell for no fault of their own?”

                    has been covered pretty extensively by plenty of theologians. You just picked pig-ignorant theists to argue with.

                    1. “What about the Indians and others who lived for thousands of years but were never given a chance? Did they all go to Hell for no fault of their own?”

                      Evangelicals probably don’t have to read Dante. First circle of Hell is where I’d love to hang out.

                  2. I do believe that religion serves a useful purpose, in that when a person with power believes in a power greater than themselves, they are more likely exercise self restraint.

                    Look at the atrocities of the 20th century and they have a common thread. I think that is why many fear atheism.

            1. That is unfair to Ned. He was annoying and preachy. But I can’t see old Ned calling CPS on someone. Trying to convert them sure. But not that. Not even Ned would do that.

              1. That’s true, or he would have called them on Homer every episode.

              2. Ned took Bart, Lisa and Maggie in after Skinner called CPS. And then tried to baptize the children against their–and their parents–will.

                1. “Wow, Dad, you took a baptizing for me!”

                  My brother’s wife was uncomfortable with him being a damn dirty atheist, so he consented to her baptizing him in the bathtub with a cup of water. She was mollified and he continued to be an atheist, and all was well.

                  1. Nice solution.

                  2. What…the water didn’t immediately flash into steam after coming into contact with pure unrepentant evil?

                    She must have done it wrong!

              3. Well, there’s a reason that the process by which sitcom characters tend to increasingly become exaggerated caricatures of themselves is called Flanderization .

                Ned start out as just a super nice, somewhat na?ve, touchy feeling Christian and slowly morphed into a crazy fundamentalist over the run of the show.

                1. That makes sense Dragon. I only watched the Simpsons for the first few seasons and then lost interest. So I see Ned Flanders as a super nice touchy feeling type.

                2. Dig help the writers of Parks & Rec if they Flanderize Ron Swanson! I have been waiting for that to happen for a couple of seasons now, and so far, so good. There have been moments, but generally he’s the same character.

                  BTW, if y’all haven’t caught last week’s Parks & Rec, it was awesomely libertarian. It’s probably on Hulu or some shit.

                  1. Here we go. You need to pause Ad Block, though.

      8. “…a neighbor who was “uncomfortable” with living next door to a non Christian family.”

        Heh. Been there buddy. I had a landlord kick me out once because I was a damn dirty atheist.

        1. “Get your hands off me, you damned dirty atheists!”

  6. With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.

    Had he not had his attorney on speaker phone, I’m sure things would have gone another way. Like a good beat down, guns confiscated, child taken away, and jail for fictional charges.

    1. That is a good bet. Man I bet those cops were pissed that he called his attorney. I love the “he is being unreasonable”. How dare he not roll over and throw away his rights!!

    2. The police would have shot him dead (along with his wife and kid) because there were guns in the house (somewhere, in a locked safe), and an officer’s only duty is to go home at the end of his/her shift.

      1. Officer safety.

    3. & dogs shot.

  7. The wife and kid should still look at a long term vacation out of state. CPS never stops.

    1. That’s true. Once you’re on some enforcement agency’s radar, they never leave you alone.

  8. My girlfriend’s 6yr old son killed his first deer with a .243 this past hunting season. I’m so proud of that boy.

    1. 6? That’s young.

      1. Nah man, this kid can shoot very well. He was nailing one of those small coke cans from 40 or so yards with an open sight .22 last time we went shooting. Down south, we train’em young. He doesn’t get to handle his guns without extreme supervision and I double lock all the guns in the house.

        1. Took my buddy’s 8 year old daughter to the range with us. Went through all the safety stuff over and over. She did well until she pulled the trigger and then promptly forgot she was holding a weapon. Happened over and over, despite instruction/correction.

          She’s a smart girl, but just couldn’t do it safely. Had to stop.

          I’m sure every kid is different, but SHE was too young.

          I think I was 9 or 10 for my first shooting session.

          1. I shot my brother’s BB gun when I was about 8 or so. Haven’t shot a gun since – the recoil scared the crap outta me. I’m ready to learn to shoot now, though.

      2. You should see the pics in the hunting magazines down here. 5,6,7 year olds killing deer is pretty normal.

        1. Not that any of my girls would kill a deer without being damned hungry, but they all were fine rifle shots by 7 years.

    2. so you’re saying your girlfriend is letting your son handle dangerous weapons of mass destruction AND teaching him to murder poor innocent animals? REEDUCATION CAMP!

  9. I suggest that so-called “social services” departments be included in the purge.

  10. That kid is probably as happy as he ever has been in that photo (as would I if I got that birthday present). What the fuck is wrong with people?

    1. I was giddy when I got my first BB gun. I almost peed myself with excitement when I got an actual .22

    2. The kid is suffering from false consciousness.

    3. The problem is that the gun the kid is holding isn’t a hunting rifle. It’s an assault rifle because it has a barrel shroud! A barrel shroud! You know, that “thing that goes up”!

      1. It’s not a hunting rifle because he’s in NJ, where hunting with a rifle is illegal.

        1. If he were a cop you could call it a “patrol rifle”.

    4. The kid should lose the glasses for photos.

      1. No way man, he’s only 11, it’s adorable.

        1. Yeah. He is a really cute kid. The glasses just give him an earnestness.

      2. Its the throwback Vietnam era BDU pants that I’m impressed with. I thought every pair in existence had been worn flat out by now.

  11. I’m glad that guy handled it so well. I can’t believe cops actually try the “We’ll just come back with a warrant” bluff. If you can get a warrant, then get a warrant, idiots. Good for this guy saying as much, and of course they didn’t return.

    1. I think there is always a bit of an implication that if they do come back with a warrant, they might not be too careful with their stuff.

      I’ve never quite understood why it is OK to trash the place when executing a search warrant. There is no reason they can’t take their time and not break stuff. They’d probably be even more likely to find what they are looking for if they don’t.

      1. You assume that the point of the search is to find something.

        1. Well, if it is really a search, then the point is to find something. But in many cases, it’s not a search, it’s an intimidation tactic disguised as a search.

      2. Really, you don’t understand why? Let me help. “FUCK YOU, THAT’S WHY!”

  12. What’s the problem? His finger is outside the trigger guard and the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

    Funny OT story. My roommate works at the FL Capitol and the FLNG was up there lobbying something. Anyhow one of the younger women in his office was going on and on about how she got to hold “a machine gun”. And then showed him a picture of her, (hopefully empty) magazine in rifle, finger on the trigger, pointing it at a young corporal who has a “fuck me, what have I done” look on his face. Roommate took this as a teaching moment and explained how she had violated all 4 laws of gun safety. Which is important because he is trying to rope me into coming along on a trip to the range to teach everyone to shoot. I’m even less enthused about this idea now than I was when he first brought it up.

    1. And then showed him a picture of her, (hopefully empty) magazine in rifle, finger on the trigger, pointing it at a young corporal who has a “fuck me, what have I done” look on his face.

      This fits well with the “guns are dangerous because I’m dangerous with guns” train of though that progressives all have.

    2. What’s the problem? His finger is outside the trigger guard and the muzzle is pointed in a safe direction.

      Which means he already is better trained and more intelligent than the typical cop.

      1. If his daddy has also taught him to treat it like its loaded until he’s cleared the chamber, he will never negligently injure or kill anyone with that tool.

    3. The gun safety violations I saw while near the palaces in London gave me an idea why the Brits might be so terrified of guns: nobody there has any idea how to use them safely. A tour guide even talked to me about how weird it is seeing the police in that area have guns. He was concerned what if one of them ‘snapped’ because his wife left him that morning or something. My response was that I didn’t find them having guns to unnerving, I found them walking around with their guns unholstered, barrels pointing near people’s feet, and fingers inside the trigger guards to be the worrying part.

  13. Question from a gun noob. I want to be educated, so please explain to me why the article says the kid was holding a .22 but the gun looks like the dreaded “assault rifle”. .22 is just the diameter of the barrel/bullet and the outside of the gun is basically aesthetic?

    1. P.S. If you have any good intro reading into gun types and whatnot I would like to have it. My buddy recently bought an AK handgun and it’s pretty badass, but every time he comes over and talks guns I’m way out of my element.

      1. You can start here to get a rundown of basic types of guns.

    2. Yep. The qualities that make something an “assault rifle” are simply things that make one gun look “scarier” than another.

      1. An I think it must also be black.

        1. Black guns are undeniably scarier looking than ones with wooden stocks.

          1. Racist!

    3. .22 means the diameter of the bullet is .22 inches. Thus a .308 is .308 inches and so forth. But size is only half of the equation. The other half is the powder load behind it. So for example a .44 pistol has a larger round than a .308 rifle but is much less powerful because the powder load in the rifle is so much bigger.

      1. The diameter of the round isn’t even half of the equation. The equation is

        e=1/2 mv2

        where m is mass and v is velocity.

        The .308 round weighs 11 grams and travels at about 2700 feet per second.

        The .44 round weighs 16 grams and travels at about 1300 feet per second.

    4. Yeah, .22 is the size of the bullet. .22 is used mostly for small rodents and target shooting.

      The gun itself could look like a pink elephant wearing a tutu for all it matters.

    5. Yep. It looks like he got the S&W MP1522, which is chambered in .22 LR. This is a squirrel popper.

    6. .22 is just the diameter of the barrel/bullet and the outside of the gun is basically aesthetic?

      Ding ding ding!

      1. Amazing how gB, being a “gun noob” figured that out when so many politicians and anti gunners can’t.

        Look at the big brains on gB, you’re a smart motherfucker, gB.

        1. Mmm-mmmm. That is a tasty burger.

          1. May I have a drink of your tasty beverage to wash it down?

            1. Whaa .. what?

              1. Say “what” again. Say “what” again. I dare you. I double-dare you, motherfucker. Say “what” one more goddamn time.

              2. Do they speak English in What?

    7. You are correct that .22 refers to the diameter of the bullet. There are lots of semi-auto .22 rifles which look scary and black like that. You can probably get the exact same gun with a wood stock and a smaller magazine.

    8. The gun in the picture is basically something along the lines of a Ruger 10/22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_10/22
      with cosmetic accoutrements.

      The .22 LR round is one of the smallest and least powerful rounds available for a rifle. It fires rimfire ammo (meaning that the primer is in the rim, rather than the center) which is cheaper and incapable of sustaining the pressures apparent in centerfire rifles.

      .22s are good for ‘plinking’ and varmit eradication / small game hunting.

      The cosmetics on this gun offer no real functionality, other than a removable magazine (which is n this case is much bigger than it actually needs to be, so that it will look more like an M-16)

  14. I wonder how many of these same people sit down with their families every Christmas and enjoy A Christmas Story.

    1. Maybe it convinced them that putting an eye out is the inevitable consequence of gun ownership.

  15. Since I’m now considered a child due to Obamacare, I’m going to report Doherty for neglecting to give me alt-text.

  16. Legal swatting! I am going to call the kiddie cops on all of my enemies!

    I guaran-damn-tee you every one of those raiding coppers who has kids has firearms in the house and the kids have handled them.

    1. and the kids have handled them

      And probably in nowhere near as safe a manner as the kid in the picture, since the person that is teaching them is a cop.

      1. Cops understand that they face no consequences for killing people. What else do they need to know about firearms?

  17. I’m taking over-under on whether the NRA actually goes to bat for this guy, even if it’s just a written statement/press release. I’m leaning toward “no way in hell”, personally. NRA loves them some cops.

  18. NRA loves them some cops.

    Yes they do.

    1. But they don’t love cops arbitrarily checking on people’s guns in their homes, so it’s a tough call.

      1. When daddy hits mommy, the best thing to do is keep your mouth shut and hope he stops.

  19. So now I have to add “Post a picture of a kid with an “assault weapon” on Facebook day” to my list of things to organize. If I were the type of person to organize things, that is. Which I’m not or there would already be “Take a toy gun to school/work day”, been wanting to organize that for years.

  20. And not a single one of those goons will be punished for this derangement.

    This is why no one takes the Constitution seriously.

    1. And why no one takes New Jersey seriously.

  21. One thing on my to-do list when I get to Tucson is to make contact with a top-notch defense attorney. You don’t want to be looking for one of those when you need one, you need to know one who will take your call.

  22. Here’s the bullshit in the CPS lady’s statement:

    “Follow-up” can mean a lot of things, and it definitely includes gettign some detail from the complainant and proceeding accordingly. If she had done her fucking job, she would have learned that the source of the complaint was the Facebook photo, “followed up” by looking at it, and closing the damn file.

    I’m quite confident they aren’t legally required, and don’t, follow up on every phone call with a full-dress police raid. She did that because she’s a nannying proggy cunt.

    1. This was my first thought. Well, second thought. The first was “where’s the damn alt-text!”

  23. But seriously, GET OFF FACEBOOK!

  24. It’s a little frustrating how uptight and out of hand this is getting. I mean, I don’t think its really that great an idea to put pictures of your child with a gun on facebook, but at the same time, a few years ago no one would have cared. The world really has not changed that much in that time. People have just become more paranoid and angsty.

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