David Frum Mounts a Weak Defense of His Shoddy Marijuana Column
Yesterday, Newsweek published a column by David Frum titled "The Perils of Legalizing Pot." The column has several errors, most of which seemed to have resulted from David Frum not doing his homework. Frum responded last night, point by point. I'll do the same.
I'll start with this: Frum calls my post "an exercise in name-calling," that contains "epithets and sarcasm." In reality, my post contains no epithets, no name-calling, and absolutely no sarcasm.
On to the substance:
Riggs claims I am wrong to write: "Even in the 47 states that formally ban marijuana, the drug is available everywhere and at modest cost." Riggs counters that many states allow medical marijuana. But how does that contradict what I wrote? Medical marijuana states retain a formal ban upon the drug. That ban may be loopholed, but it's still the law. Only in Washington and Colorado does state law permit possession of marijuana as a matter of legal right. I used the 47 figure because I had been referring in the previous sentence to the example of California, where the medical marijuana system has collapsed into near total farce. For perfect precision, I probably should have written "Even in the other 47 states that formally ban marijuana, etc.," but the point is the point.
Again: 18 states permit and regulate the cultivation and consumption of marijuana for medicinal purposes. To say there's a "formal ban" implies that marijuana is just another illicit drug in every state but Colorado and Washington. That's misleading, even if you think--as Frum seems to--that medical marijuana is a backdoor means of protecting recreational use. But let's say Frum had used the word "other"; that still omits the Alaska Supreme Court's ruling that the possession and use of small amounts of recreational marijuana within the home is protected by a constitutional right to privacy.
2.) Frum originally wrote:
Habitual marijuana users experience more difficulty with learning and schooling. They do worse at work, miss more workdays, and suffer more accidents. They have fewer friends and occupy lower rungs on the socioeconomic ladder.
I responded by saying that I could not find any research indicating "that pot smokers have fewer friends (or more)." In response to my query, Frum says his claim about "habitual marijuana users" is "an abridgment and paraphrase of this assessment by the National Institute on Drug Abuse." Yet that assessment, which Frum quotes from generously in his response (though failed to cite in his original column), is based on a study not of "habitual marijuana users," but of "heavy marijuana abusers," a group composed of "108 individuals, age 30-55, who had smoked cannabis a mean of 18,000 times and a minimum of 5,000 times in their lives."
Researchers compared those "heavy marijuana abusers" to "72 age-matched control subjects who had smoked at least once, but no more than 50 times in their lives." The group that had smoked fewer times reported a better quality of life and sharper cognitive abilities. But the study doesn't say using marijuana more than 50 times will destroy all your friendships, dent your IQ, and reduce your attention span; nor does it establish a threshold past which one's life begins to get worse. What if you've used marijuana 100 times in your life? 500 times? 1,000 times? The study doesn't say at what point your life begins to suck, it only establishes an (arbitrary) usage rate for "heavy marijuana abuse."
For fairness' sake, let's assume that Frum was talking about heavy marijuana abusers. According to the 2011 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, roughly 18.1 million Americans were "current" marijuana users in 2011, meaning they smoked at least once in the previous month. Of those 18.1 million smokers, 7.1 million were estimated to have used marijuana on at least 20 days in the previous month, and 5 million marijuana users were estimated to have used marijuana on at least 300 days in the previous year. The survey says that only 4.2 million marijuana users suffer "marijuana dependence or abuse," which means that even some pretty regular users aren't suffering from addiction, which is measured by things like poor job performance and deteriorating personal relationships. Put another way, there are a lot of happy recreational pot users. Put still another way, it would seem, based on the government's own numbers, that Frum is overestimating a) marijuana abuse and b) projecting the ill effects of abuse onto millions of recreational smokers.
2.) On America's role as the pot-smoking capital of the world. Frum orginally wrote
Although data are difficult to come by, it's generally scientifically accepted that Americans smoke more marijuana per person than any other people on earth.
In response, I wrote "Data is not actually difficult to come by," and excerpted the relevant section from the U.N.'s annual report on illicit drug use. That section says:
Overall, annual prevalence of cannabis use remained stable in 2010 (2.8-4.5 per cent of the adult population in 2009), the highest prevalence of cannabis use being reported in Oceania (essentially Australia and New Zealand) at 9.1-14.6 per cent, followed by North America (10.8 per cent), Western and Central Europe (7.0 per cent) and West and Central Africa (5.2-13.5 per cent). While the prevalence of cannabis use in Asia (1.0 - 3.4 per cent) remains lower than the global average, due to Asia's large population the absolute number of users in Asia, estimated between 26 million and 92 million, remains the highest worldwide.
Frum first faults me for linking to a Time story about the report instead of the U.N. report itself, so let me fix that. This is the link to the U.N. report; this is the link to the Time article.
He then writes:
That Time story notes: "Marijuana boasts somewhere between 119 million and 224 million users in the adult population of the world." Caution: if your estimate spreads over a range like that, there's your first warning that your data are unreliable.
Here's your second warning: The UN stats are based on self-reported questionnaires, not the most reliable source of information on illegal activity.
That's why the World Health Organization agrees with me, not Riggs, that in the field of illegal drugs, "good cross-national epidemiological data are limited."
However, in a careful study, 22 researchers rely on WHO household survey data to generate their own international comparisons. That study put the U.S. in first place, just as I wrote.
So data is not actually difficult to come by, it's just inconclusive?
Frum dings me for using data culled from "self-reported questionnaires," and says that household surveys, which the WHO used, are better. Yet the U.N. report also relies on household survey data, from the U.S. Survey on Drug Use and Health, the Canadian Alcohol and Drug Use Monitoring Survey, and Australia's 2010 National Drug Strategy Household Survey Report, among others (even these aren't a silver bullet: "Stigma and lack of services as well as specific behavioural characteristics tend to make female drug use less visible and may also affect reporting by women on their drug use habits in household surveys," the U.N. says).
As for the WHO report Frum cites? It says that the "proportions of respondents who ever used cannabis were highest in the US (42%) and New Zealand (42%)." That's a tie.
For those still reading: I'm not really hellbent on being right about whether the U.S. consumes the most cannabis per capita, or almost consumes the most cannabis per capita. I'm simply mystified as to why Frum couldn't cite the available data in his original piece, or even acknowledge its existence and ready availability.
That mystification extends to every one of Frum's responses: Why couldn't he use the same language used in the study cited by the National Institute on Drug Abuse? Why couldn't he clarify that 18 states have medical marijuana? Why couldn't he just say that there's no data supporting his belief that marijuana users have crap lives?
I can't help but wonder if it's because a more nuanced presentation of the facts would have undermined his claim that "Marijuana smoking is a sign of trouble, a warning to heed, a behavior to regret and deplore."
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Mike knows that we'll provide the name-calling, epithets, and sarcasm, so he doesn't have to.
I'll get things rolling: Frum makes Honey Boo Boo look like Stephen Hawking.
Thanks for making me imagine Honey Boo Boo rolling around in a motorize wheelchair and spouting her gibberish in a computerized voice.
Finally, my evil plans have come to fruition.
I would watch that show. Can we send her a blanket infected with Lou Gehrig's Disease?
I don't think it works that way.
YOU DIDN'T EVEN TRY IT
We won't know if it works or not until we try it. Hugh, go steal Hawking's pants as a vector. You know you want to.
A good old-fashioned game of Strip the Cripple.
The classics never go out of style.
Hugh, go steal Hawking's pants as a vector.
Hate to quibble, but a vector is a living thing. Like if Hugh fleeced Hawking's trousers with his pubic lice and Hawking got Hugh's case of of...well, we don't have a name for it yet...from said pubic lice.
Hawking's trousers would be a fomite if Hawking caught ALS from them. -)))
Shut up, doc. When I want your opinion I'll give it to you, and then have Warty drive it home. If you know what I mean. Because I don't.
Well! I guess now is the time to mention your Frum is showing, and it needs to be trimmed.
Have you no decency? (Yes, that question is rhetorical...)
Groovus,
You are just engaging in name calling and have nothing of substance to add to the conversation. Typical for someone who got an MD rather than the more rigorous PHD. 😉
Indeed. I could never hope to earn the lofty salary and social standing of a Marxist with a PhDoctorate in Central Planning. I can't even afford to attend the TRAKTORR PULLZZ here.
Besides, substance (read: Hugh) is the operative (ha!) word here.
Absolutely nobody wants to know what you mean by having Warty drive it home.
Hey! All of my pubic lice have names.
'Specimen A-12' isn't really a name, Hugh. It's just an ID number for the breeding program.
Never get emotionally involved with something you're just gonna end up eating.
Are you insulting Frum's intellectual capacity or his mobility?
His mom?
Actually, his mother was a great journalist who reported meticulously.
Your mom?
Are you insulting Frum's intellectual capacity or applauding his mobility?
Frum makes Honey Boo Boo look like Stephen Hawking.
Close enough.
The Big bang is bullshit that relies more on faith then actual scientific evidence.
The commenters fixed those oversights for you, Mike. It might be the comments Frum is referring to.
PWND.
Do I detect another Wartysuit?
Qua?
Another lawsuit against Warty.
Oh, I thought Warty had created another outfit from human skin.
I'm pretty sure he did.
No, once you wear something like that to the Oscars, you can't really pull it off a second time.
Yeah, but he only won for Best Cinematography in a Non-Visible Spectrum, so no one paid any attention. He could wear one again if he wins for Best Soft-Drink Product Placement.
If placing coke zero in the skull of a murder victim doesn't win him that award, they should just stop giving it.
Nobody ever called Warty a monster before they learned he was drinking Coke Zero out of that human skull.
Better to hold the sparkling grape
Than nurse the earthworm's slimy brood,
And circle in the goblet's shape
The drink of gods than reptile's food.
Frum makes me ashamed to have Jewish relatives living in Canada.
Frum calls my post "an exercise in name-calling,"
Let's be fair. Maybe the dumb cunt was referring to the comments.
Frum knows that all of Reason is just Mike Riggs posting under a thousand different handles.
Frum is still working out all those childhood issues he dealt with due to the endless "Frumunda Cheese" jokes.
The continuing saga of two journalists engaged in a dork fight. Hoorah.
Frum is a Newsweek hack journalist, what in hell's name do you expect from him, witty banter? (Did I manage to hit all three of his complaints?)
Also, maybe he should put as much time into researching his original articles as he does in his rebuttals.
I thought Canda smoked the most weed per capita.
In any case, we Americans can't let the Canucks and Kiwi sheep fuckers beat us on this.
Careful with that sheep-fornication reference...
As in 'David Frum may or may not ...'?
That mystification extends to every one of Frum's responses: Why couldn't he use the same language used in the study cited by the National Institute on Drug Abuse? Why couldn't he clarify that 18 states have medical marijuana? Why couldn't he just say that there's no data supporting his belief that marijuana users have crap lives?
Because he is lazy and used to spouting off warmed over conventional wisdom without anyone ever questioning him. That is why.
Bingo.
After he got off that "Axis of Evil" phrase, he developed delusions of competence.
It just amazes me what stupid, shallow people manage to get themselves such large soap boxes. Someone like Frum or Friedman or any of the other talking heads are not fit to teach remedial English at a junior college. You could find literally hundreds of thousands of people out there who have smarter, more thoughtful and more interesting things to say about these subjects. Yet, somehow these clowns manage to get the gigs. Do you have to give a blowjob to get one? Get naked pictures of editors? Whatever it takes, it has nothing to do with intelligence, creativity or competence.
It's not exactly a mystery. It's the same reason why there's an upper-limit IQ for police hires. The establishment, of which the corporate media is a big part, wants people who won't think too much and will tow the line.
Tow the what?
Tow the Li-Ion. The editors don't maintain their Prii, and they're constantly breaking down.
Aresen! There you are! Long time no see!
I thought you were one of those fellas arrested for that diabolical Maple Syrup heist!
It's always the accountants that are keeping the second set of books! -D
David Frum? More like David Dum.
Hey-O.
Hey-O!
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Zing!
Here lies David Frum
Small in life, and now struck dumb
David Frum: wrong about everything, always, yet continues to enjoy a cozy role as Republican concern troll that people of all political persuasions should take seriously.
That is all he is. He was run out of the right. No one could stand him. He got fired from his job at AEI (if I am not mistaken) because he never produced any scholarly work of any value. He really had no future. So his solution was to become a professional concern troll, someone the left could point to and use to shame the right.
What a cunt stain (Frum, not Riggs).
The best part of Frum ran down his mother's leg when he was born.
I hear he's the kind of prick who would fuck you in the ass and not even give you the courtesy of a reach-around.
Here lies David Frum
Deep beneath and feeding sphagnum
Dabid Fum ib retotted.
Dental work? -)))
Carpal tunnel surgery.
-Posted from his iPhone.
Who the hell is David Frum? A character from a Dicken's novel?
Actually he is more of a character from a Evelyn Waugh novel, one of the comic ones. Think upper class twit.
FUN FACT EVELYN WAUGH WAS A MAN
No way!!
I swear. nicole told me so last week.
Next you will tell me he was a Catholic.
Ha. Nice one, John.
CO and WA give reason to hope, but the fat lady doesn't warble till the tax revenue starts rolling in, then it's game over on the Refer Madness fascists.
I won't swear, but Frum is an effing diminutive-for-Richard-head who should be baked into the world's biggest MJ cookie. He never ever considers that someone could use weed as, say, he himself uses alcohol -- responsibly. If I met him, I would have to rhymes-with-witch-slap the ducking fork. He's useless.
In reality, my post contains no epithets, no name-calling, and absolutely no sarcasm.
Perhaps Frum is Tony. Instead of reading the actual article he read only the comments.
Why couldn't he use the same language used in the study cited by the National Institute on Drug Abuse? Why couldn't he clarify that 18 states have medical marijuana? Why couldn't he just say that there's no data supporting his belief that marijuana users have crap lives?
Because he is a disgusting fatbody.
Hey, Frum. How about who gives a shit? If people want to consume ANYTHING, it is their natural right to do so. If you want to wet your pants about what other people are doing, go right ahead. And go fuck yourself. It is your right.
Did you even read my comment last time, where I pointed out that you were "correcting" Frum on something he got right and you got wrong? Because he understood what "prescribe" meant and you didn't? Where you claimed falsely that doctors aren't allowed to prescribe schedule 1 controlled substances?
Ol' Frumpy panties.
Proves that one can make a living as a professional but incompetent concern troll.
I'm not spending time on this David Frum fuck. Who the fuck is the dweeb dipshit, and why do Libertarians need to give a shit about his stupid decrepit fascist ass?
That makes all kinds of sense dude. Wow.
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