The European Dream is a Long Way Off With a Majority of Germans Favoring a Euro Exit
A new study from Bertelsmann Stiftung indicates that although a slim majority of Germans want Germany to remain in the European Union almost two thirds think it would be better if Germany were to abandon the euro and go back to the Deutschmark, a position I defended last month.
Only 52 percent of Germans claim to have benefitted from the 27-member European Union.
Attitudes towards the single currency are worse, with two thirds of Germans saying that they would be better off outside of the single currency. In Poland, another country profiled in the study, attitudes towards the euro are more worrying for those arguing for European integration.
Polish attitudes are more skeptical of the euro than the Germans, with only close to 20 percent of Poles in favor of joining the single currency. Although the Poles are wary of the single currency they are in favor of EU membership, with which they can freely move to other member states.
Perhaps the most interesting part of the survey is the question on European identity. From euobserver:
One question the tree (sic) countries diverged on was about "European identity," with 66 percent of Poles saying they could imagine what it is, while only 26 percent of the French said it meant something to them. Germans were somewhere in between, at 44 percent.
The Treaty of Rome (the founding document of the European Economic Community) begins:
His Majesty the King of the Belgians, the President of the Federal Republic of Germany, the President of the French Republic, the President of the Italian Republic, Her Royal Highness and the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Her Majesty the Queen of the Netherlands,
DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe,
The Maastricht Treaty, which paved the way for the euro, includes the following in its preamble:
RESOLVED to mark a new stage in the process of European integration undertaken with the establishment of the European Communities,
RECALLING the historic importance of the ending of the division of the European continent and the need to create firm bases for the construction of the future Europe,
Given the figures above it seems that "an ever closer union" and "European integration" are still a long way from being realized, least of all accepted. Turns out you need more than an anthem, a motto, and a parliament to generate identity.
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History has shown that, while they may occasionally turn crazy, and not in good ways, the Germans aren't stupid.
Stabbed in the wallet!
There's something to be said for having someone like Gauss on your currency rather than politicians or monarchs.
This. Didn't the US originally have laws against putting politicians on money? Given President Cult o' Personality, I can really sympathize.
iirc it was a ban on any identifiable individuals depicted on currency. (Random Indians and "Liberty" were OK though). They repealed it to put Lincoln on the penny, right?
That's some ugly money.
BTW, that's not a slam of Gauss, it's just ugly looking overall.
I thought he was Doctor Smith.
"I would have stuck to the austerity plan, but my back - oh, the pain, the pain of it all!"
Really? I kind of like the design.
They couldn't have found one where he wasn't wearing his Scrooge McDuck sleeping cap?
You have something against Phrygian caps? Huh?
He gave the boy half-a-shilling when he made back with the prize turkey in record time.
They didn't have specific mathematics or science hats back in the day, Sug. He wore what he had... FOR SCIENCE!
37% of Lannisters polled could not conceive of peace with the Starks.
How does Joffery = 37% of Lannisters?
He is 200% Lannister, kind of skews the stats.
Tywin wasn't available for comment.
Turns out you need more than an anthem, a motto, and a parliament to generate identity.
A fooootbal team too?
A common enemy helps.
France? Everyone hates the Frogs.
Barack "Hugo Chavez" Obama
GM WANTS OUT OF GOV'T; OBAMA SAYS NO
The article, citing "people familiar with the government's thinking," states the government is reluctant to sell its 26.5% holding in GM because it would mean booking a loss on the bailout. That's understandable. While it's great to be able to point to all the jobs saved by the $50 billion bailout, any political currency gained by the White House would be a lot sweeter if it also made a profit on the deal.
That's not happening. Not yet, anyway. GM GM -1.36% is currently trading at just under $24 a share, well below its $33 post-bankruptcy public offering in November 2010. The share price needs to reach $53 for the government to extract itself from GM without a loss.
http://www.marketwatch.com/sto.....k=MW_pulse
Is GM delusional, thinking that they will be allowed to sell this stock at a gargantuan loss to the US taxpayers BEFORE the election?
No, right after the election is more likely. Then it'll be a couple of years before the next election, and therefore perfect timing for a good, hard taxpayer screwing, in the eyes of our Federal overlords.
I wonder what the Obamabots I deal with daily will say when BO sells the stock the day after the election.
You know who else had a European dream?
Fantine from Les Miz?
Chevy Chase?
Only 52 percent of Germans claim to have benefitted from the 27-member European Union.
Not everything is about you, Luftballons.
So it was the other 20 that... ahh, fuck it.
Something, something, 99 Kriegsminister.
His Majesty the King of the Belgians, the President of the Federal Republic of Germany, the President of the French Republic, the President of the Italian Republic, Her Royal Highness and the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg, Her Majesty the Queen of the Netherlands
What us Americans need is a return to royalty. If you were to try to assassinate a king the, how shall I say it, the aura of royalty would cause you to miss. But a president? Why not shoot a president?
If they're going to reissue the DM, they're gonna need some new art.
I vote for a Panzer crossing the Danube.
A Stuka releasing a bomb.
Merkel's Naked Breasts!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6tl4VZ-OAY
Is that the bell curve? Racist!
I still have this bill. Not only does it feature a scientist, it also shows the Gaussian in both graphical and equation form.
Also one of the few countries led by a scientist (rather than yet another lawyer).
The last two STEM discipline presidents weren't particularly good. Though I have a soft spot for Jimmy.
Well now that makes a ll kinds of sense dude. Wow.
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