Gun Control

Do 3D Printers Make Prohibitions Impossible?

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3D printed firearm

The Web thingies are buzzing with news that a 3D printer — sort of a first-generation Star Trek replicator — was used to make a gun that actually goes bang when you pull the trigger. Aside from the sheer cool factor, the development makes it clear that a wide range of bans, restrictions and prohibitions are becoming increasingly unenforcable.

From ExtremeTech:

An American gunsmith has become the first person to construct and shoot a pistol partly made out of plastic, 3D-printed parts. The creator, user HaveBlue from the AR-15 forum, has reportedly fired 200 rounds with his part-plastic pistol without any sign of wear and tear.

HaveBlue's custom creation is a .22-caliber pistol, formed from a 3D-printed AR-15 (M16) lower receiver, and a normal, commercial upper. In other words, the main body of the gun is plastic, while the chamber — where the bullets are actually struck — is solid metal.

The lower receiver was created using a fairly old school Stratasys 3D printer, using a normal plastic resin. HaveBlue estimates that it cost around $30 of resin to create the lower receiver, but "Makerbots and the other low cost printers exploding onto the market would bring the cost down to perhaps $10." Commercial, off-the-shelf assault rifle lower receivers are a lot more expensive. …

HaveBlue apparently tried, unsuccessfully, to make a more powerful receiver chambered in .223, but it didn't work. "Funnily enough, he thinks the off-the-shelf parts are causing issues, rather than the 3D-printed part."

HaveBlue's schematic, which he used on what's considered a relatively low-tech StrataSys 3D printer in these fast-moving times, are available at Thingiverse.

Scientists at the University of Glasgow have used a relatively low-cost system to synthesize chemical compounds, with the intention of developing the means to create custom drugs. That may well mean the end of the orphan drug problem around the word, and very real price drops on pharmaceuticals. From the BBC:

Researchers have used a £1,250 system to create a range of organic compounds and inorganic clusters—some of which are used to create cancer treatments. Longer term, the scientists say the process could be used to make customised medicines.

They predict the technique will be used by pharmaceutical firms within five years, and by the public within 20.

"We are showing that you can take chemical constituents, pass them through a printer and create what is effectively a chemical synthesiser in which the reaction occurs allowing you to get out something different at the end," researcher Mark Symes told the BBC.

"We're extrapolating from that to say that in the future you could buy common chemicals, slot them into something that 3D prints, just press a button to mix the ingredients and filter them through the architecture and at the bottom you would get out your prescription drug."

It also holds out potential for evading yet another class of legal prohibitions on recreational drugs.

Think of it — a world of plenty, with easy localized manufacture of almost anything you might need. It's a world in which "that should be illegal" becomes a punch line.

The next time your control freak friends start in on their latest litany of should-be-banneds, tell them that their arguments are now irrelevant. Tell them why. And savor their sweet tears of despair.

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  1. Has Chuck Schumer called for banning these printers yet?

    1. They won’t be banned, but they’ll include a chip that reports on what you’re fabricating.

      1. Yeah, poor RIAA and MPAA. Soon, no one in the government will care about their relatively petty concerns when stacked up against 3D printing.

        1. Speaking of that, there’s also the IP rights in the designs to be considered.

          1. I don’t think this is too much of a concern. The AR-15 printed here was released in 1963. So there’s no patent protection in place. Colt’s logo is under trademark protection, but it wouldn’t be too hard to just remove it from the 3D models. And I can’t imagine that anyone could make a compelling case for copyright protection.

        2. IS there a chance someone in New York could print a 32 ounce soda?

          1. Winner.

          2. Get cheap fusion and really megapowerful computers, and maybe your dream will become true.

            1. You don’t have a Mr Fusion? yet?

              1. You don’t have a Mr Fusion? yet?

                Yeah, but my wife bought a can of ReactorEx? spray, so it can’t sustain a reaction. Buzzkill.

              2. Since I installed the fusion kitchen, I can’t boil water without burning it.

        3. Time to go back to vinyl LPs, so you can just print out a new song.

          When does the 3D copier come along? And when can it start printing copies of itself?

      2. Probaby yes, Pro Lib. Photocopiers are mandated to have chips that prevent them from being used for currency counterfeiting.

        1. Well sort of. Copiers cannot copy currency, because of a “secret” pattern on bills. It’s still possible to copy them using a scanner with filters.

          1. I knew a guy who got six months probation with an ankle bracelet (back when those things were pretty new) for having a photocopied dollar in his wallet. The dude was driving home from his job at Kinkos where he’d apparently done it as a lark and apparently it was spotted during a traffic stop.

        2. As I recall, it’s actually very easy to trick the pattern identifiers, even for newer, Euro-pattern-enabled bills.

      3. they’ll include a chip that reports on what you’re fabricating.

        As long as they can make another chip that reports what I want it to, then its all good.

      4. They won’t be banned, but they’ll include a chip that reports on what you’re fabricating.

        Will it be called the “tipper chip”?

      5. I foresee a uptick in thumb drives and off-net machines in our future.

      6. The Rep-Rap project’s goal is to create a 3d printer that can be created in a 3d printer (some assembly required, one would assume). That is, fully open source all the way down. The government can still pass a mandate, but enforcing it would be incredibly difficult.

      7. They won’t be banned, but they’ll include a chip that reports on what you’re fabricating.

        Thing is, that isn’t really possible.

        These things basically consist of:

        1. A frame
        2. A few electric servo motors
        3. A heated nozzle that squirts out the molten plastic and
        4. Some off-the-shelf controllers that provide an interface between a PC and the servo motors/nozzle

        The frame is just pieces of plastic and a bunch of random bits you can scrounge at home depot.
        The servo motors are off-the-shelf things you can pick up at any electronics/hobbyist website
        The nozzle is just a cone of metal with a hole in it and an electric heater attached
        And the controllers are also nothing special, you can get them at any electronics/hobby shop
        The PC is just a PC. Nothing special required besides the software.

        Anyone who knows how to read instructions can build one of these things. The most difficult parts to get are the specialized plastic pieces for the frame, which anyone with a 3d printer could easily print for you. There are other designs that just use off-the-shelf rails that don’t even need the specialized parts.

        If there is any regulatory response to this, I think it will involve changing what parts of a gun are registered. Perhaps they’ll try to make the barrel the “registered” part of the firearm with the serial number on it, as 3d printers can’t print barrels (yet).

        1. Making the barrel the registered part would be fucking retarded, because barrel life is very finite: generally between 1,000 and 10,000 rounds, depending on the chambering. The receiver, on the other hand, can generally withstand anywhere between 30,000 and 100,000+ firings, depending on the design. I believe there are Remington 870 shotguns out there with over 200,000 rounds put through them.

          It would be like deciding to register printers and making the registered “part” the ink cartridge. No one would stand for that for long.

    2. Of course not. He’ll just call for reasonable restrictions.

  2. Here’s a big secret – guns aren’t all that hard to make. Anyone who knows how to use a CNC machine could make one. I know several guys who made their own guns.

    1. My brother builds very high quality sport rifles as a hobby. He either takes old German Mausers and sporterizes them with a better barrel and receiver or when he is feeling really frisky, builds them from scratch.

      Most people who are serious competitive target shooters have what amounts to hand assembled or in some cases hand made weapons.

      1. Lies!… Lies!

        I am reliably informed by Mayor Menino that evil corporations manufacture them in states such as Virginia where the irresponsible legislatures permit the aforementioned evil corporations to force children to work in coal mines for slave wages in the form of cigarettes and guns which then are sold in schoolyards to unsuspecting cherubic Bostonian children who then accidentally kill heroic incorruptible Boston Police officers with them.

        1. I thought all U.S. guns were manufactured by Chick-fil-A.

          1. They just make the guns used to murder gay married people.

            1. There’s a market for everything, including matching gay married couple cufflinks that shoot back.

        2. You may have misunderstood the Mayor. Ask him to say ita again slower.

          1. Having him say it slower will only make it harder to understand.

      2. My grandfather shot competitively well into his 70’s and he built a few of his own competition rifles… it probably helped being a tool die maker for Westinghouse. He had a Amish lady smith (out of Plain City, OH) build the barrels, and then he’d build the stock and assemble. This was back in the 80’s… wish I had one of them. Lord, they were beautiful.

    2. I’m reminded of Michael Palin visiting gunsmiths in Pakistan making what appeared to be very high quality automatic rifles from scratch in ramshackle huts with minimal tools. And one could step out back to test the merchandise.

      1. The Pakistani Tourism Bureau has really fallen down on the job, not promoting this as an attraction!

      2. BTW, in case anyone hasn’t seen it, the whole Himalaya series is really great. He starts out at the Khyber Pass and makes his way all the way to Bhutan.

        In one scene, a British military officer on a Gurkha recruitment mission is kidnapped by Marxists.

        1. That was a great series. It was rebroadcast on DC PBS last fall. I DVRed it. It was fantastic.

        2. I’m a big fan of his travel shows. One thing that stands out to me is that I swear His Lamaness recognized him. Elvis, the Dalai Lama–Python has some interesting fans.

          1. What I thought funny was when the Dalai Lama started talking about his bowels still being on American time and Palin being rather nonplussed. Not exactly what he was expecting during such an audience.

          2. That was a great scene. The Lama (pronounced in the manner of Carl from Caddy Shack) seems like a nice guy for all his entourage and worshipers.

            Another one I loved was when he entered India from Pakistan and some evil, horrible, monocle-wearing capitalist street seller was right there with a 40oz. cold beer.

            1. Really great stuff. I’ve watched most of the specials and have read some of the companion books, too.

    3. There was a fascinating section of Michael Palin’s Himalaya series where he visited Darra in Pakistan, where they manufacture guns in fairly primitive conditions, and incredibly cheaply. Apparently the quality is really good, given that they’re all made by hand.

        1. Bugger!!

          1. But at least I gave the name of the town so any enterprising reasoners could get their gun smuggling bidness up-and-running. So there.

            1. Yeah, I totally forgot the details, it’s been a while since I saw that.

              Also I remember Palin having an uncomfortable expression, I doubt he approves of guns in any way, shape or form.

              1. Whether he does or not, he’s Michael Palin, and we forgive him.

              2. He is British, so he probably hasn’t been around many guns, then he walks into this town where there is regular gunfire. I’d probably be uncomfortable, too. I don’t think he made any judgements – and he even did the bit with the James Bond-style pen/gun.

                1. He is British, so he probably hasn’t been around many guns, then he walks into this town where there is regular gunfire.

                  I know, but for a guy who is pretty famous for being affable and rolling with the punches in strange lands on little sleep, I seem to remember him being more than a little uncomfortable.

                  1. Palin went to a public school (what we call private schools here) where the kids were required to do JROTC. In a documentary made ~2000 he claimed that he could strip and reassemble a Bren gun in the dark.

              3. Also I remember Palin having an uncomfortable expression, I doubt he approves of guns in any way, shape or form.

                He’s english. They do patriotic interpretive dances about the NHS. They really can’t help it.

            2. Thanks. You can have the first streetsweeper handcannon assault weapon assault destroyer obliteration-machine child-ripper gun I manufacture for nefarious purposes as a token of my gratitude.

              /Evil libertard.

              1. No flamethrower attachment?

                Wimp.

                I bet it has pink Helly Kitty handles, doesn’t it.

                1. Flamethrowers? Psh. It’s got a fucking tactical nuke launcher, bruh.

                  1. It’s got a fucking tactical nuke launcher, bruh.

                    Didn’t the us gov make those for awhile? Weren’t they just a big-ass spring in a tube?

                2. Not a big fan. Terribly inefficient weapon that comes with a built in vulnerability.

                3. “Now a real killer, when he picked up the ZF-1, would’ve immediately asked about the little red button on the bottom of the gun.”

      1. Apparently the quality is really good, given that they’re all made by hand.

        I remember seeing that, though it was on a news program, not Palin’s program. It’s been years since I saw it, but I seem to recall that they like to replicate well-known guns, like AK-47s, Smith and Wesson revolvers, Uzis, etc. And at a glance, they’re remarkably similar to the guns they’re patterend after.

        1. Yeah, they were all well-known replicates as I recall, and the smiths were quite proud of their craftsmanship.

          1. . . . and the smiths were quite proud of their craftsmanship.

            As well they should be. Anyone who can bring cheap, high-quality firearms to the market is doing a good thing.

            1. Spending that many hours producing something by hand isn’t usually feasible economically in first world countries, but it sure is satisfying no matter where you live.

              1. Making stuff by hand is feasible if you need it and it’s the only way to get it.

      2. I remember a 1970s National Geographic article showing them making Sten SMGs out of old railroad tracks.

        1. That’s not that surprising. The Sten Gun was specifically designed to be turned out quickly in small factories and even workshops. Manufacturing capacity was at a premium and Britain need to turn out replacements for the weapons lost when the evacuated at Dunkirk so precipiticely.

          One of the myths about the sten was that the Brits had this huge stock of captured German 9mm Parabellum ammo. It was one of those stories that i believed as a child but have since come to realize is not that likely at all.

    4. Here’s a video about homemade guns:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF9CuXorkbI

    5. You really only need CNC to engage in mass production.

      A lathe and milling machine will produce qite acceptable results if you know what you’re doing and are prepared to take the time.

      IIANM, the most complex operation in gunsmithing is cutting the rifling. It Can be done but I believe it insn’t really a DIY operation.

      Most custom rifle makers buy components from other manufacturers. The only one requiring a FFL for delivery is the receiver.

      1. If you get a receiver that is only 80% complete and mill it yourself you don’t even need an FFL. You can’t sell it however.

        1. I remember there was some kit you could buy online that was basically enough parts from disassembled, IIRC, AK-47s to make a complete rifle (minus receiver and with selective fire disabled) which came with plans for fabricating a reciever from plain steel plate stock.IIRC correctly they had the same disclaimer.

          Apparently the tolerances required are such that no major tools beyond a machinists steel rule, a drill, a hacksaw and some files are required.

          Of course not everyone can do hand fabrication involving cutting, drilling and filing to even to relatively low precision rquired. It does take a good eye and a steady hand.

    6. Anyone who knows how to use a CNC machine could make one.

      I’m on my way to Home Depot to pick one up now!

    7. Afghan goatherds have been making Ak-47s over charcoal forges since the late 70’s. With Sears quality machine tools you can do make just about any kind of firearm.

    8. http://www.diyguns.com/

      One guy on there made an AR lower out of a plastic cutting board.

      Bending one’s own AK receiver is fairly common.

    9. I read an article a while back, about a trip through Afghanistan. One of the really neat things the author saw, was a guy who turned out an AK-47 a day using only hand tools – hammers, metal snips, molds, etc. No power tools at all.

  3. If they can design a medicine for you, why couldn’t they eventually design a drug that would be customized to your body and tastes giving you the ultimate high of your preference with little or no side effects since it is built for your body.

    1. The little paper clip character appears: “Looks like you’re trying to PRINT OUT METHAMPHETAMINE. Need some help?” Then you get pop ups for Sudafed, and Breaking Bad DVD’s.

      1. They would be so fucked. If you were making drugs for personal use, you wouldn’t need that much. So there would be no way to track you buying the materials.

        1. Could they also be designed to leave no detectable traces in the body afterwards in order to fool drug tests?

          1. Probably not. Drugs are “sticky” to chemoreceptors in the body. That’s why they work.

            1. I bet there’d plenty of masking agent recipes floating around on Pirate Bay,

              1. Yeah, but just wait until some asshole uploads instructions for Z. ebolavirus, and labels it as Gold Seal.

            2. No, the ones that stick around do so because of their hydrophobic character, not usually their affinity for receptors (though you are correct that the receptor affinity is the key part of most drugs’ activity)

              And given that ebolavirus is a protein/NA complex, while most drugs are small molecules, those should be easy to disambiguate.

          2. Probably. A drug test works by finding the materials that your body produces after it metabolizes the drugs. They don’t find cocaine in someone’s urine, they find the metabolite of it. But you have to know what metabolite to look for. If everyone had their own customized drug, hard to see how they would be able to find a single metabolite to test for.

            1. A drug test works by finding the materials that your body produces after it metabolizes the drugs.

              TY. That explains how false positives are possible. The same metabolite can result from different sources.

              1. Exactly. That’s why poppy seeds and certain antibiotics (quinolones) can cause a false positive for opioids, and RTIs can cause false positives for marijuana.

            2. correct. this is how marion jones (as one of a zillion examples) got away with it for so long

              i remember victor conte coming on our weightlifting forum extolling the benefits of ZMA, when in fact it was the steroids he was giving his athletes that was making the difference.

              granted, anybody who thought jones was “clean” was woefully naive

        2. I imagine you would buy the equivalent of an ink cartridge loaded with basic elements. We may have to ban Iron or Potassium atoms.

          1. Water, air, and parrafin (or vegetable oil) will give you all of the nitrogen, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen you need. Phosphorus can be obtained from urine. Metals can probably be recycled by a slightly more complex 3D deprinter.

            1. Getting the nitrogen out of the air and into usable form will be fun though

          2. Carbon and hydrogen obviously need to be restricted.

    2. We’ll see if Larry Niven’s predictions about the droud turn out to be right…

      1. Self correcting?

      2. Haven’t they already let monkey’s kill themselves with one? Like in the 70s?

    3. I’m seriously doubting this will happen within this century. Despite all the talk of “designer” drugs, the vast majority of drugs are still found by accident, and the rest are merely tweaks.

  4. So someone made an AR15 almost entirely out of plastic and we haven’t had a Glock joke yet?

    1. So someone made an AR15 almost entirely out of plastic and we haven’t had a Glock joke yet?

      Okay, “combat Tupperware!”

      Better?

    2. Can we just recycle all the Barbie jokes told about the M-16 while Mattel was fabricating parts for them?

  5. “It’s a world in which “that should be illegal” becomes a punch line.”

    That was delectable.

    1. Better than our current world, where “I’ll outlaw that for a dollar!” never fails to slay ’em* in Congress.

      *Used in the humorous appreciate sense, not the blood up to your boot-tops sense.

  6. My guess they will try to ban the blueprints of these designs much like they try to ban movies being downloaded via bittorrent.

    1. And they will have about as much success.

    2. Search Pirate Bay for “AR-15”. See the first result: it’s a torrent of the printable file.

      Also search for “Chris Dodd” and “Lawn Darts” 🙂

      1. Well, I guess “Chris Dodd” is a relatively simple mechanism that is mostly plastic, so why not?

        1. You’ll be the life of the party, throwing chriss dodd in the air and his head sticks into the ground, until you miss and it sticks in the air. Massive freakout I would assume.

  7. There’s already instructions out there on how to build an AR receiver from plate aluminum. CavArms, before the ATF came down on them, made ‘plastic’ receivers. It’s not terribly difficult when you consider most firearms technology is basically 80 years old by now.

    1. Captain Kirk built a cannon out of some rocks and a Bamboo log…

      1. And the Mythbusters busted his story.

        1. “This may be my last entry. I am almost exhausted. Unless I find the weapon the Metron mentioned, I have very little time left. Native sulfur, diamonds…this place is a mineralogist’s dream! Yet…there is something about sulfur…something very old. Something…if only I could remember.”

          1. What Mythbusters failed to realize was that that bamboo wasn’t any ordinary bamboo. It was artificially constructed to allow Kirk to build a cannon with it. Cannonboo?.

            You know your civilization is doing okay when you can instantly build an inhabitable planet just to set up a little punishment/test for some inferior beings who trespass in your space.

            1. u mean like california?

            2. Kirk got in a fight with a Gorn and won. Picard got in a fight with a spring and won.

              1. Whatever happened to the Gorns, anyway?

                1. They fought against The Dominion with the Federation, but later joined the Typhon Pact, with Romulans and Tholians.

                  There is also a novel, The Gorn Crisis, which features a young Picard on a diplomatic mission to the Gorn.

                  All expanded universe cites. I swear I had to look that up.

                  1. How do you even know to look such things up? I figured they just got dropped, because it’s hard to do good lizard suit.

                    1. Librarian powers are dark and mysterious.

                      The Gorn (in CGI) also appear in Enterprise, but only in the mirror universe.

                    2. Wait. ‘Mirror universe’, where there is hot lesbian sex in every corridor on the star ship? I fucking love that place.

                    3. That’s it. Pretty good place for an HBO Star Trek series, I suppose.

                  2. “I weary of the chase. Wait for me. I shall be merciful and quick.”

                    1. You know, the next Star Trek series should be a Gorn ship. Lizard men, and lots of actors suffering mightily by having to wear Gorn makeup. An HBO series, of course, and set in the old, less-stupid universe.

                    2. Rumor has it that the Gorn are going to show up in the next movie.

            3. And they were still wearing togas after all those thousands of years. Goes to show, if you don’t abandon the toga, your civilization can do great things.

              1. This is an excellent point. Everything great comes from wearing togas. Rome, Animal House, Type II civilizations, etc.

                1. What about those fucked up Roman planets they visited?

                  1. After the events of “Bread and Circuses,” Magna Roma becomes a functional republic, and is a member of The Federation by Picard’s era.

                    1. What? Jesus, can’t a friggin’ episode simply end?

                    2. can’t a friggin’ episode simply end?

                      No. The Expanded Universe has a hunger that no amount of professional fan fiction can ever sate.

                      It’s a real toss up which is more extensive, the SWEU or the STEU. Probably Star Wars, since they have prequels to the main story set thousands of years in the past.

                    3. What’s the point? Do all that, then the TV/movie version laughs and ignores it all.

                    4. It’s the fictional equivalent of sweatpants. You get the ever diminishing returns of enjoying your favorite story without having to experience the discomfort of the new.

                    5. Wouldn’t one get bored of the same stories in the same universe over and over and over? And over and over?

                    6. Or a Mirror universe series. Not a stupid blown-up Vulcan or whatever the Star Wars knock-off version universe was about.

                    7. But then, you put goatees and goatse in all of those stories and they are new again.

                    8. Definitely Star Wars, because thousands of years in Trek’s past would just be the History Channel.

                  2. “You’re a Roman, Kirk, or you should have been.”

                  3. Fucked up? You mean fucking awesome!

        2. Not really. They didn’t actually go to the planet from that episode, or shoot at a Gorn.

          1. Gorns are a protected species now.

            1. CITES? Fuck. How am I supposed to import Gorn hatchlings?

              1. If you can prove you got them before 2008, you should be okay.

                1. Unless you inherit them in an art work.

        3. Great. Next you’re going to say that they busted Warp Drive technology as well.

          1. Yeah, what ever happend to those 3 nacelled “green” galaxy class ships?

  8. It’s Charlie Stross’s world, now. I want my Eschaton.

    1. Just wait until The Festival gets here.

      1. I have some stories to tell them.

        1. I want my goddam killer rabbit to fight off the killer clowns.

        2. What was the internal faction that created the Mimes?

          1. I forget. It was some sort of upload culture gone awry from bitrot that had hitched a ride on the starwisp, IIRC.

            1. Not the Critics. The dangerous ones.

              1. Yeah. Weren’t the Mimes’ pies designed to upload your entire pattern to the Festival? Or am I totally misremembering? There were the Critics, who were not friends of the Mimes. The Distributed Cyborg Soviet who were human. The young prince and his killer rabbit…

                1. No, the Mimes turned you into a Mime. Fuck, why can I not remember this?

                  1. Wait, was it The Fringe?

                    1. I’ll have to look it up again.

        3. I have some stories to tell them.

          That should send them packing.

          Wait until the rest of us get our goodies.

          1. Or I will get the most terrifying goodies of all of you.

  9. I was at a concert last night, and they made the announcement twice that any recording of the show was strictly prohibited. It seemed particularly pointless considering that literally everyone in the joint had an electronic recorder capable of doing just that, and there was no way to catch, stop, or punish them for doing so.

    1. They did that at the Penn Teller show here. And they were bloody serious, too, with ushers coming up to threaten you if you raised your phone.

      1. Yeah because Penn and Teller might as well be the Rolling Stones reunion. Why does it not occur to them that any small boost in revenue they get from sales from that is nothing compared to the bad feelings they engender by being such assholes.

        1. Actually, the Penn and Teller show is excellent. I saw them at the Paramount and it was a great show. And I don’t recall any warning about recording.

          1. I am sure their shows are great. I just can’t imagine there is much lost revenue resulting from their fans recording the shows. They would be better off taking the Grateful Dead route and just letting it happen.

          2. I loved their show here earlier this year. I’ve seen some of their act before, but it was still excellent.

            I’m not sure they ban the taping just for IP purposes–could be that certain angles would reveal things they don’t want revealed.

            1. Could also be the owners of the venue with this stipulation.

              1. That’s possible, too. It was at the Mahaffey Theater, which has plays, operas, etc. and may be hard-assed about such things.

                1. I think that’s the Mahaffey’s rule. They make the same announcement multiple times during Florida Orchestra concerts as well.

            2. I’m guessing the problem is not “certain angles” (your clandestine camera has roughly the same viewing angle you have) but repeated replay and slomo, which can defeat misdirection.

          3. I could see being pretty peeved if the hipster in front of me spent the entire show sticking his fucking Iphone up in front of me to video the show.

            So it could be Penn and Teller are more enforcing simple courtesy on the terminally selfabsorbed and protecting the quality of the show for everybody else.

            1. What if my phone just had a picture of a lighter on it?

          4. And I don’t recall any warning about recording.

            It’s because you were drunk at the time. It wasn’t even Penn and Teller, it was Matchbox 20. That’s how drunk.

      2. I attend the Vegas Penn and Teller show last October and they ENCOURAGED video recording of one of their tricks – said you could find videos of the trick on Youtube. I never saw any ushers trying to prevent people from videotaping with their phones.

        On another note, they hang out in the lobby after the show for autographs and photos – I found Teller to be much more personable than Penn. Penn would refer to everyone as “Boss” (“thanks Boss”; “yes, Boss”), but he seemed to be using it as a shield to avoid any real conversation.

        1. I had to leave right after the show, but they appeared to do that here, too.

          1. They do that at every show. They talk to anyone who wants to outside afterward. Teller especially.

            1. Teller doesn’t stay in character? I don’t believe I have ever seen him out of character. I hate to mention Dick Dale again*, but he does the same meet n greet after every show, even when his ass is bleeding, apparently.

              *no I don’t

              1. That’s because Dick Dale is one of the coolest people to ever walk God’s green earth.

    2. It is shocking the quality of bootleg you can get from an ordinary smart phone.

      1. Dude! Don’t spend money on that movie! I downloaded it for free last not in all of its compressed 240x180px glory!

        1. You go to the concert for the music not the video. And while video bootlegs suck, audio ones do not.

          1. Pirating is immoral. The government can and should take steps to stop it.

            1. So are ticket prices.

              1. It’s my understanding that tickets will sell for whatever people are willing to pay for them. Not quite sure how that makes them immoral.

            2. That’s what the Navy and Coast Guard are for.

        2. My phone records in 1080p and it’s not the only one. Video recording is actually much better than the sound pick up.

    3. Yeah, but it’s S T R I C T L Y _ _ _ _ P R O H I B I T E D .

      That’ll stop it magically, don’tcha know?

    4. Still I would respect the wishes of the promoter. Private property and ticket contract and all of that.

      1. Kids these days.

    5. Gov’t Mule encourages people to record their shows. Amazingly enough people still buy their albums and DVDs. Go figure.

    6. Were you allowed to remember it?

  10. That’ll stop it magically, don’tcha know?

    It worked with alcohol, drugs, and guns, so why not with bootlegging?

    1. Exactly. Just another example of how libertards hate the blacks and the children.

  11. Question: how easy or difficult would it be to make a silencer? I wouldn’t want to be heard during target practice at home.

    1. Just print yourself a Welrod.

      Generally considered the quietest gun ever produced. It still hit 73 decibels, which is about the same as applause or a hair dryer.

    2. how easy or difficult would it be to make a silencer?

      For a master machinist with access to a shop? Pretty fucking easy.

      For me? Impossible.

      1. I saw George Clooney do it in The American. Seemed pretty simple.

        1. Buy a pillow.

      2. Hey, Magnum just used a one-liter plastic Coke bottle taped to the muzzle of his sniper rifle that one time.

        What??? you mean TV shows aren’t 100% accurate. I’m shocked. Tom Selleck would never lie, would he?

        1. Tom Selleck should know better than to lie about guns, FCOL!

        2. Actually, a plastic bottle is probably the most effective one-shot silencer around. Note, it will completely fuck up a long distance shot. But if you want to shoot someone in from 10 feet away with a pistol once, can’t beat it for effectiveness. It will quiet the shot from “OMG! Someone just got shot in the next apartment!” to “WTF was that pop in the next apartment?”

          1. Note, it will completely fuck up a long distance shot.

            Actually, that was my thought too.

            And the problem is that it would likely change the ballistics in a way that made it completely unpredictable from one sho to the next so you probably couldn’t find a way to reliably compesate for it.

  12. 1972 : “Son, what have your mother and I told you about dirty magazines?”

    2012: ” Son, what have your mother and I told you about downloading porn?”

    2032: ” Son, what have you mother and I told you about printing out horny blonds?”

    1. Lucy Liu robot: Would you like to take a moment to register me?
      Fry: Hmm, not right now.
      Lucy Liu robot: I’ll remind you later, you hot stud you.

      1. “It’s a really long story Chet. Gary and I were messing around with the computer Friday night. We decided to make a woman and we did and she went crazy and she messed up the whole house. “

        1. “Yer stewed buttwad!”

        2. Tossing off. I like that line, especially uttered thru the lips of a mid-80s Kelly LeBrock.

    2. Weird Science is almost real…

  13. Anyone who knows how to use a CNC machine could make one.

    Couldn’t help myself.

    I was coming in to point out that any reasonably competent machinist can fabricate firearms of any type.

    Look at what they had to work with in Hartford in the mid- 1800s. Those guys at Colt did okay.

    As for the 3-D thing: in one of the comment threads on another article I saw, somebody pointed out that the AR is unique in that the receiver is not highly stressed. I haven’t read all the comments here, maybe somebody else already got there.

  14. I seem to have goofed up my italics tags.

  15. Will it convert movie scripts into 3D versions?

    1. Hollywood still hasn’t cracked the problem of making a three-dimensional story.

  16. Yeah, the articles I keep seeing about this make it out to be more of a feat than it actually is. All he made is the stripped lower receiver, and while that’s the part that’s legally considered the gun when you have it disassembled, it only provides a magazine well and a housing for the trigger group. You still need an aluminum upper receiver, to which the barrel is attached.

    1. Couldn’t you just print out a crossbow and some bolts, and not need any metal?

    2. The other thing you can do with 3D printers is make molds for metal shaping.

  17. If you want to make a 1911 with your 3-D printer go ahead. Just give me a heads-up when you test fire it, so I can be far, far away.

    1. I think I’ll stick to buying my weapons from professional gun smiths.

      1. For sure. But with three D printing the number of skilled professional gun smiths will go way up.

        Just because any idiot won’t be able to do it, doesn’t mean a lot of idiots won’t be able to do it.

        1. But with three D printing the number of skilled professional gun smiths will go way up.

          Knowing how precise the machining of modern firearms needs to be, I hope that this technology leads to better manufacturing techniques and the benefits that come with them.

          Long live the free market. I look forward to a reduction in prices.

          1. Everything will be free. Except the toner.

    2. At a minimum, you can 3d print a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds.

  18. Can’t wait til you can make your own drugs at home. Goodbye drug war.

    1. Meh. People have been “making” their own pot at home for decades. Same ol’ drug war.

  19. Wyatt: A missile! A MISSILE! A MISSILE IN MY HOUSE, GARY!
    Max: [Banging on it] Yup, this puppy’s for real all right.
    Garry: It was an accident. You know it happens.
    Wyatt: ACCIDENT MY ASS, GARY! MY PARENTS ARE COMING HOME. CHET’S COMING HOME. THEY’RE GONNA FREAK OUT!
    Garry: They’re gonna shit egg rolls.

  20. Will this replace the Chinaman?

    /onion ref

  21. Shit like this is a much better use of a libertarian’s time than politics. Now we just need a peer-to-peer internet infrastructure, paid for via bitcoins.

  22. The singularity is near.

  23. You can get a complete polymer AR lower for $99. That includes the grip, stock, tube, buffer, spring and trigger. Costs not included in this guys gun.

    http://www.riflegear.com/p-138…..lower.aspx

    Throw in a $400 Del-Ton upper and you have a nice cheap AR.

    http://www.del-ton.com/ar_15_barrels_s/4.htm

  24. You can get a complete polymer AR lower for $99. That includes the grip, stock, tube, buffer, spring and trigger. Costs not included in this guys gun.

    Yeah, but you have to fill out that pesky form, and get called in.

  25. There are (in the works) 3D printers for metal fabrication, that will probably seal the deal.

    1. On the other hand, if you could use a plastic strong enough to last for 20 shots or so, you could just print out a disposable gun.

      1. I wouldn’t worry about it until you can print out ammunition.

        You’re better off to print out a mace, or if you have actual skills, make jo or nunchukau, no 3d printer required.

  26. Suonds like one heck of a plan to me dude. Wow.

    http://www.Anon-Go.tk

    1. You know Ting, can I call you Ting?

      Great!

      You know Ting, I was thinking the same thing myself just now. I read the article and thought, “Suonds like one heck of a plan!” Wow. It’s like we’re simpatico, dude.

      Can I talk to you for a minute about your financial future, Ting? Just a minute of your time could change your life!

      You see the woman that I impregnated, but refuse to acknowledge, her brother’s girlfriend makes $250 an hour surfing the WEB. Since we’re so tight now, Ting, I’m gonna let you in on her secret. Just send a credit card number to the email address under my name. You won’t be charged; it’s just to make sure only you, Ting, get to take advantage of this great offer.

      1. I don’t mean to be pushy, but is there any way I can get in on this? I’ve been scouring the internet message boards for an offer that is too good to be true, but haven’t found any. I’ve got oodles of money, and I’m 85 years old. Don’t feel bad if this ends up being a scam – I’ll be dead soon anyway and my kids don’t deserve any inheritance.

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