L.A. Metro's Light Rail Arguments Off-Track
MTA blog explains (inadvertently) why Los Angeles has nation's worst travel time
Recently, Reason.tv released the video "17 Miles in Just 78 Minutes! Light Rail vs. Reality in LA," in which comedian Watt Smith took Los Angeles' light-rail system from Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) to Burbank. Smith interviewed passengers, whose observations and opinions were supplemented by "pop-up" speech balloons introducing facts about the true costs of operating the light-rail system.
Steve Hymon at Metro, the city's mass transit system, has taken exception to the video and posted a lengthy critique of the video titled "Reason Foundation thumbs its nose at Metro; we thumb back!"
I'm happy to engage MTA's arguments. Hymon's claims are below in italics.
"The Reason Foundation [which publishes Reason.tv is a] long-time critics of rail mass transit."
It's absolutely true that Reason has been critical of rail mass transit for having costs that far exceed its benefits and ridership. But we have been supportive of more efficient and effective mass transit systems such as bus rapid transit systems. See here, here and here, for examples.
"It's about 29 miles by road—not 17—from LAX to downtown Burbank, according to most of the maps that I consulted."
The trip was not by road, it was by light rail. Rail proponents like to say rail is not bound to existing road patterns and can connect important locations. The distance the man wanted to cover was 17 miles.
"To the dude in the video: if you seriously got from the LAX terminals to Warner Brothers Studios in Burbank using only buses and rail in 78 minutes, then you're some kind of Jedi Knight of mass transit. That's more like a two-hour trip — owing in part to the bus between LAX and the Green Line's Aviation station."
So Metro thinks he got there too quickly and his trip should have taken longer? Is this supposed to make Metro look good?
"[The video suggests] that light rail is less energy efficient than cars…that's hardly an undisputed fact and there are other considerations such as pollution. The federal government has found that transit produces a significantly less greenhouse gases than single-occupancy vehicles. Here's a good report."
In the video we talked about energy efficiency. Cars use less energy than does light rail?3,445 BTUs per passenger mile vs. 3,465 (that is the amount of energy each mode uses on average to move a passenger one mile). Check out the Transportation Energy Data Book from the Department of Energy if you want more details. In terms of greenhouse gasses, light rail does emit slightly less per passenger mile than does driving alone, but the average cost of providing transit people will get out of their cars for is over $4,000 per ton of CO2 reduced (see here). The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change established $50 per ton as a reasonable cost per ton to reduce CO2 emissions. For a nice summary of the data on both energy use and greenhouse gas emissions from rail transit vs. driving, see here.
"Transit is heavily subsidized — in Los Angeles County and elsewhere. The correct figures: Metro currently subsidizes on average 72 percent of a bus fare and about 76 percent of a rail fare. See page 64 of this year's adopted budget."
Hymon is right that Metro is heavily subsidized by taxpayers who don't use it and never will. In the video we used figures calculated in dollars, not percents, and included the cost to build the light system, not just the costs of operating it, to make the same point--riders of the transit system pay a small percentage of the actual costs of their ride.
Does Metro seriously believe that passenger rail would exist in its current form in L.A. if rail riders were forced to pay the full costs of their trips? Contrast that with auto drivers, where there are some subsidies, but where drivers pay the vast majority of the cost of their ride through gas taxes and other associated fees plus the cost and maintenance of their vehicles. Reason has long supported congestion pricing and toll roads that force users to pay the full price of their transportation choices. It is much easier to envision an L.A. highway system that is entirely user-funded than it is to envision a self-supporting rail system in the region. For an analysis of this complex and controversial question, see here.
"We can confirm the video's keen observation that trains are more crowded during rush hour. However, the trains don't run all night, as the cute thought bubble alleges."
One of the pop-ups says the train "runs all day and night at much lower capacity." That's a bit vague, for sure. It would have been better to simply note that non-rush hour trains run throughout the day with very few passengers.
"A new 40-foot CNG(compressed natural gas)-powered bus costs about $450,000 and a new 60-foot CNG bus about $750,000 — not the $300,000 figure shown in those clever bubbles!"
The video's producers relied on a 2007 Federal Transit Administration report that said a new transit bus cost around $320,000 to $340,000. They assumed that, buses, like cars, would be getting relatively cheaper over time. Maybe market efficiency bringing about lower prices doesn't apply to government bus purchases.
More to the point is the larger claim in the video: "For $50 million of the $5.15 billion the MTA plans to spend on expanding a Wilshire Blvd. rail line, it could almost double the fleet of buses." Depending on the cost of those buses, that would come to between 111 and 166 new buses. Either way you count it, you could still get a lot of new buses for a small fraction of the cost of extending that one rail line. That was our point.
"It's totally fair to question how much bang taxpayers get for the bucks they invest in any type of transit, rail included. But chew on this: if we got rid of the rail system in L.A. and put everyone on buses and put more buses on local streets and freeways, is there anyone that really thinks traffic or transit would improve?"
If you simply eliminate rail and don't do anything else, no, traffic wouldn't get better. But who is suggesting that? If L.A. spends its money wisely, or better yet, partners with the private sector so they'll help pay to build a network of variably-priced toll lanes that are guaranteed to be free flowing at all times, including rush hours, you can offer express bus service that reduces commute times and is dramatically cheaper than rail.
Census data showed 6.2 percent of Los Angeles area workers used transit to get to work in 2009. The number was a decline from 6.4 percent in 2008. But transit gets nearly 60 percent of the region's transportation money!
A 2006 Reason study showed the problem of giving too much of the region's transportation money to modes of transportation that aren't carrying the vast majority of workers:
Los Angeles has the nation's worst Travel Time Index (TTI), 1.75. This means that driving times during LA's peak traffic are 75 percent longer than during off-peak times. In 2030, LA is still expected to have the nation's worst traffic, with the TTI increasing to 1.94 and travel times during peak hours increasing to 94 percent longer than during off-peak hours.
Los Angeles could significantly reduce congestion and have room for the expected growth by adding nearly 3,700 new lane-miles by 2030 at an estimated cost of $67.7 billion, in today's dollars. That's a cost of $192.22 per resident each year. This investment would save a whopping one billion hours each year that Angelenos now lose sitting in traffic, at a cost of $2.62 per delay-hour saved.
While $67.7 billion may sound like an unattainably large investment, it is actually just 58.7 percent of the planned transportation spending under the long-range plans of the Southern California Association of Governments (SCAG), which is the Los Angeles area's Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO). Those plans call for $115.4 billion over the next 25 years - $48.5 billion on highway improvements and $66.9 billion on mass transit. While some of the planned highway improvement funding may be used for capacity expansion, the majority is often allocated to preserving, maintaining, and operating the highway system. About 4.7 percent of the LA labor force now uses mass transit to commute. And yet, transit accounts for 58 percent of the area's planned spending over the next 25 years.
What's most amazing – read: depressing – is that despite spending all that money on transit through 2030, L.A. didn't expect transit's share of commuters to rise significantly. Thus it will have more people on roads sitting in even worse traffic jams because it has spent 60 percent of its transportation dollars on a mode of transportation used by less than 10 percent of the region.
Which underscores the video's main point: Spending the lion's share of the region's transportation money over the last 20 years on a light rail system has been a failure. Metro's budget far exceeds its value. And for the vast majority of L.A. workers, light rail is still a lousy way to make a typical trip. No matter how much spin the MTA puts on, there's no getting around that.
Adrian Moore is Vice President at the Reason Foundation and co-author of Mobility First: A New Vision for Transportation in a Globally Competitive Twenty-first Century (2008).
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They don't mention the most persuasive argument: that that dimwit could've simply taken a Burbank bus from LAX.
That video was one of the most pathetic Reason ever produced. There's plenty to criticize the LA transit system without having to be stupid about it.
Are you completely dense? The entire point of the piece was that light rail is a boondoggle that waste taxpayer money. In fact the video pointed out how buses are far more efficient.
They don't mention the most persuasive argument: that that dimwit could've simply taken a Burbank bus from LAX.
Right, that L.A. could just eliminate its rail line altogether and then... oh wait, you just stepped on your own dick with that argument. Thanks for playing.
Care to qualify that? I'm all for users (both riders and drivers) paying their own way, but there are certain cities even in the US where buses just won't cut it.
"Care to qualify that? I'm all for users (both riders and drivers) paying their own way, but there are certain cities even in the US where buses just won't cut it."
What's to qualify?
And, yes, there are places such as you describe. So?
It's a blanket statement that doesn't apply everywhere, that's all.
Well buses will 'cut it' wherever they are according to government. As long as the taxpayers pay enough no bus system will go under, even if it costs billions a year and has no riders.
You seem to be missing the actual point. The key is costs that 'exceed its benefits and ridership.'
You're correct that bus systems won't cut it if they charge what it actually costs and that cost is not worth it. The issue here in my part of the country is that no one will pay what it actually costs them to ride, even when the initial costs for necessary admin/capital are paid for, but they're perfectly happy (and loud about it) to ride if someone else will not only provide the buses and administrative costs but pays most of their actual cost of being transported as well. They won't even pay enough in fares to cover for fuel or the driver. And as far as the supporters of raising taxes rather than fares, most won't even ride the bus for free. They just want someone else's taxes raised to pay for yet someone else's fares.
What is so hard about understanding the fact that all government involvement in transportation is retarded?
The government is to transportation, what Clark Griswold is to a simple family vacation. . . Except the government never seems to have an epiphany in the last scene wherein they realise that their excessive and elaborate plans are not only overbearing and burdensome, but also the main cause for the very dysfunction they seek to rectify.
The government is to transportation, what Clark Griswold is to a simple family vacation.
This should become a meme, applicable in any discussion of government:
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Last I checked Boston to NYC on Acela cost about $200 round trip and it takes about 3 hours, one way. Without traffic you can drive in about 3 1/2 hours and you'd probably spend about $75 on gas (round trip in my Honda Accord).
With traffic you're talking 4 1/2 hours.
In all of the Reason articles I've read, they all mention the Acela as the one good example of passenger rail in America.
The Auto Train has a favorable record, possibly making a surplus some of the time. It started out as the private independent Auto Train Corporation, which went out of business because they expanded in to weak markets and also had some expensive wreck settlements. Amtrak took over the operation.
Clearly, your car gets you cheaper to NYC. But you still have to drive it yourself. You can't conduct a lot of work while driving, like you can on a train with desks and internet access. Even though driving can be fun (without traffic jams) there's no other kind of leisure time persuit avaiable to you.
So, the most value-efficient way to travel depends on what valuation you assign to different types of pastance.
For the price we all have to pay for somebody else's fucking convenience, we could have had cars that drive themselves so that you can finish the fucking cross word on the way to work.
Seriously, how many billions of dollars were sapped out of the economy to build infrastructure for trains? If Americans retained that wealth, car companies could have a stronger profit margin and with those margins, they could invest in serious R&D on self driving cars. And because of the extra cash we would all have, we would have more people who could afford to be early adopters of this tech. Instead, everybody pays fora rail system that MOST people will never use to any substantial degree.
Last I checked Boston to NYC on Acela cost about $200 round trip
You're welcome.
Light rail or subways make sense when you have incredible density, such as in NYC or Hong Kong, where there is a subway just about everywhere you want to go, all for $2 the last time I was in NYC. Contrast that with the system in Denver, where you have to drive to the station and pay to park, then take the rail and bus on the other end, because the rail system is tiny compared to the millions of job locations throughout the front range. It truly is a road to nowhere.
But even in NYC, the subway is taxpayer subsidized. The last time I looked, the BEST line in NYC recovered about half it's operating costs from rider fees. And that's just operating costs. So if it was $10 or $20 instead of $2, would still consider it a good deal?
How lame and caricatural that the 'libertarians' at reason oppose subways. Do you people actually live in cities?
You can have as much subway as you're willing to pay for.
I grew up in Los Angeles. I don't live there anymore. If you choose to live in some termite hill of a metropolis, why should those of us smarter than you be robbed to subsidize your lifestyle?
Real libertarians live in fortified compounds in the desert and only travel into town to restock my canned meat and ammunition (which they buy with gold).
5 Things this video doesn't show:
1. Gridlocked freeway traffic at many times during the week on all LA freeways. 2. Use of online trip planner or '511' service that would have given shortest route to his destination, not the route he took. 3. A trillion dollars of subsidized freeways and public parking spaces. 4. Comparative costs of car ownership vs. use of the public transit system.
5. Pollution index of private transportation vs. public transportation.
Based on this video, you would never guess that LA had traffic congestion problems.
5 other things the video didn't show: 1) the joys to be found in trying to drag your luggage, groceries etc on the train. 2) Someone being mugged, assaulted or stolen from by other taxpayer-funded passengers. 3) A trainload of people standing around waiting for alternate transportation because of a minor accident, derailment, TSA search or the police investigating a mugging aboard the train. 4) Someone's kid proving beyond all doubt that they DO have the flu. Or you sitting down and discovering that, even though the kid got off three stops before you got on, the seat you got was the one he had. 5) A bunch of people standing around in the rain, waiting for the train which has been stopped (see #3) one station before theirs and hoping that the alternate transportation arrives before they get pneumonia or get fired for being late AGAIN.
Don't forget 6) flea ridden guy in red flannel shirt and grey sweat pants who may or may not be rubbing one out three seats away fro you. 7) Self important asshole on his cell phone having a very loud and asinine conversation behind you. 8) Ballsack height child with ADD bouncing back and forth in the aisle only inches away from your junk. 9) Despite the fact that the train is full, it is doing little to reduce traffic.
At least one study has shown that the alleged "Pollution index" advantage of public transportation over private is vastly exaggerated due to the fact that in order to produce the same efficiencies and desired travel patterns a whole lot of empty or near empty trains or buses need to be run with the result that public transportation produces a whole lot more pollution per passenger mile than individuals driving their own cars do.
Motorists paid for all those freeways with state and federal gas taxes which until the last few years have covered all highway construction and maintenance costs.
"Free" parking has been provided by merchants and has been factored into the prices of all goods and services paid for by the consumers who have benefited from the availability of parking.
Yes, they're both shitty ways to account for use and costs, but they're both a whole lot better than the wholesale subsidies handed to mass transit which simply transfer general revenues collected from users and no-users alike to the benefit of uers alone.
Steve Hymon is an ex-LA Times hack who used his connections (and the fact he'd never written anything bad about the MTA) to get a job over there after the Times laid him off.
He's the chief mouthpiece for Art Leahy, the MTA's CEO -- Leahy failed at running the nearby Orange County Transportation Authority. He failed (fortunately) at bring light rail to that County after building the expensive and useless Hiawatha system in Minneapolis. He went $50 million over budget on an OC freeway widening and capped his career down there with a bus strike. But Leahy does know how to kiss ass, and his lips are firmly implanted on the LA Mayor's posterior for well over $300/pa. Leahy knows what Reason knows, but his job depends on lying to the public and fleecing the Feds for funding.
I'm probably one of the few people here who actually rides the bus on a regular basis. The whole thing is of course a boondoggle, and heavily subsidized, but there are reasons for that and they're not exactly laid out in the article.
For one thing, Southern California's public transportation is very expensive, largely because it isn't essential to the region's infrastructure. This means perversely that the Unions representing the various sectors of transportation workers can actually go on strike, which for instance is illegal in New York City. Here, the Unions contribute lots of money to the people on the board that decides their salaries, and get their pay, benefits, and working conditions. Other bus companies, in smaller cities around Los Angeles, typically pay their drivers and other workers much less than Los Angeles' MTA does, and the fares are often lower as a result. Glendale's bus, last I looked, was a quarter. The buses don't go as far, and they don't run as often, but the drivers work just as long, and if your ride an MTA bus for one stop, the fare right now is $1.50. They don't sell transfers, and a "day pass" which will allow you to use the bus all day without paying further fares is $5.00.
Second, the article implies that few people in cars can be convinced to rid buses instead. I have two anecdotal methods for disproving this, thoroughly non-scientific, but interesting anyway. One is that currently, in the down economy, buses and trains both are much more crowded than they used to be. I've ridden public transport all over the city, at various times; buses especially are crowded now. Trains often aren't as crowded; I ride the Orange Line (a sort of bus/train hybrid, a bus that runs on a "busway" that's reserved for these buses only) on Saturday mornings once a month, and it's often SRO.
The second way to tell if public transportation is being used more is somewhat sexist. This is LA, and as I said I've been riding public transport for 25 years at least. For about half that time, I was single, and hell, I still girlwatch (my wife encourages me, believe it or not). You used to *NEVER* see attractive young women on buses in LA. Seriously, I could count on the fingers of one hand the number of good-looking women I'd seen over the years, on any sort of public transport. The thing is, whether they have cars or not, there's always some guy who wants to give them a ride.
These days, it's about 50-50 whether there'll be a cute girl on the bus. My wife assures me that this is more of a thing for a female, as you're in pretty close proximity to a lot of strangers, some of whom are male. You have to deal with a guy trying to sit almost on your lap on occasion, or trying to convince you to sit on his, and of course if the bus is really crowded and you're standing, the opportunity for stranger-groping is pretty good. If you don't believe me look on the internet on some Japanese websites; perverts actually find this erotic. Anyway, point is that this is a pretty hostile environment for young, good-looking women, one they avoid if they can afford it; right now, the economy has forced some of them to make the less-attractive choice.
Oh, and near as I could tell, your comparison of the pollution effects of mass transit vs. personal cars leaves out the fact that the train can carry many people, while your car, even if you carpool, can typically manage 7 or so at most, and typically 4, comfortably. The train costs almost the same amount of money whether it moves empty or full.
Oh, and one last thing. Using an inefficient method of transport to get somewhere, and then calling it a boondoggle, is somewhat fallacious. I could, in contrast, make the same journey (LAX to Burbank) by having a friend drive me to Burbank by way of Costa Mesa, on the 405. Does that make the freeway a boondoggle too? We could take hours doing what should be a relatively short run (for LA anyway). Someone pointed out that there's a Burbank bus that makes this trip more directly; with public transport you *always* take the most direct route, because it reduces the chances you'll be held up by something breaking down (if you have to take 2 buses you double your chances of a breakdown affecting your journey). It's also typically cheaper.
Part of the problem with Southern California's light rail system is that there are so many places to come from, and go to, that the system can't cover all or even most of them without prohibitive expense. They've built the lines through areas that are dense with population (Hollywood, downtown, Pasadena, South Central, Long Beach) but if you have both a job and a house somewhere close to the train you're an exception. I suppose in a way this proves your point about the boondoggle; on the other hand, the same thing could be said about *any* public transit system that's so small (in terms of percentages of the metro area that it covers).