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  • Regarding Cash for Clunkers, lefty blogger Brad Plumer writes, "Were the naysayers right? It seems so." And at Ezra Klein's stimulative Wonkblog, no less! 
  • NYT editorial board on NYPD: "A series of scandals and crimes — very few of them uncovered by the New York Police Department — should leave no doubt that New York needs a strong, independent agency to investigate serious complaints about the city's police." (Related: One of NYC's most famous grafitti artists since the 1980s was also a cop until 2001.) 
  • UFOlogists flooded the new White House petition site with demands that the government "acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth." The White House has responded. (And Center for American Progress Founder John Podesta is likely crushed.)
  • Hypocrisy watch: NPR affiliate fires a female freelancer for engaging in activism at Occupy Wall Street, keeps a male staffer who runs a website attacking Comcast. 
  • WaPo: "The largest banks are larger than they were when Obama took office and are nearing the level of profits they were making before the depths of the financial crisis in 2008, according to government data." 
  • U.S. wealth gap between olds and youngs gets bigger
  • Italy joins Greece in scaring the beejezus out of the rest of Europe. 

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  1. Reason moderator/editor

    Please email me regarding printing my Rather partial IP, along with the partial IP of commentors know as ‘White Indian’ for comparison purposes

    Further, I will post under, and confirm by email all ‘Rather’ spoofs with my stolen link, and request their full IP published.
    rctlfy@hotmail.com

    1. Is commenting here really that important to you?
      To anyone?

      1. I have nothing to hide, do you?

        1. You didn’t answer the question. Why is commenting here so important to you?

            1. No worries. It was a rhetorical question. Everyone here knows (but will not–out of embarrassment–acknowledge) the answer.)

                1. You were one of Harry Truman’s favorites.

          1. ?/coward, anonymous reason commentor, and a psychiatrist too!

            Feel free to use a link, I’m very interested in your answer; do ya mind if I check your credentials first?

              1. do you mean legal? lol

                1. Or, are you a doctor too!
                  wow, no wonder people are fucked-up; all the docs are libertarian!

                  1. What credentials are you looking for? Farting a jar requires no license or permit and no training is needed in order to get started. You need some number 2 glass jars with tight fitting lids and a dark place to store them. Oh and some labels so you can mark the date and food eaten before capture. One tip – eat at Taco Bell – you get the best CH4 there.

    2. Rather,

      In all seriousness, speaking as one human to another, maybe you should spend your time doing something other than whatever it is you do here.

      1. Trespassers W, live your own example, and feel free to not tread on my choices.

        1. Nobody’s treading on your ability to make your own choices, Rather. This person is giving you great advice. You should take it.

          1. LloydChiro,

            Well, too bad I can prove you are wrong. Are all libertarians off-the-chart naive?

            1. Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy. There are no medications specifically used to treat narcissistic personality disorder. However, if you have symptoms of depression, anxiety or other conditions, medications such as antidepressants or anti-anxiety medications may be helpful.

              1. The N word, do you have a case of Frank Abagnale? Help, honey

                1. Complications of narcissistic personality disorder, if left untreated, can include:

                  Substance abuse
                  Alcohol abuse
                  Depression
                  Suicidal thoughts or behavior
                  Relationship difficulties
                  Problems at work or school

              2. I deal with narcissistic personality disorder by huffing some farts. The best are those aged at least a year that were captured after eating a doble refried bean burrito. Ahhhhh.

                1. Spoofers are the lowest form of narcissists.

    3. rather|11.7.11 @ 9:02AM|#

      Reason moderator/editor…

      you’ve got to be fucking kidding me.

      I suppose even shit-throwing monkeys have some standard of decency and social comportment.

    4. The worst part is when you fart in a jar and someone spoofs it. You have to remember to label the jar with the date and what was eaten before the fart was captured. Some people think that if you spoof a fart that it is as good as a real one but they would be wrong.

  2. Ladies and gentlemen, our goal is 3000 comments. Go!

    1. 3000 posts and no replies to rather/herc/other mental patients.

      In fact, if I don’t recognize the name, no response at all.

      1. Don’t you DARE put Rather in the same breath as Herc. You ought to be ashamed.

        1. I think you meant [ashamed], lol

          1. Spoken like a true AGRICULTURAL CITY-STATIST!

    2. Notice to all who pass this way: The OWS trolls are probably sleeping until noon.

  3. Kirstin Dunst is still hot.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..erica.html

    Here’s one for the chubby chasers (you know who you are).

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs…..ikini.html

    1. I love Dunst.

    2. Dunst was hot, soaking wet with high beams on, but she’s largely ‘meh’ otherwise.

    3. Please keep them coming, Sarc. Love those gals who unequivocally look like women, although this one is kinda gross. One request though: no more saline bags – naturals only. Thx.

    4. She’s also dumb as a post.

      I saw her on Letterman a few years back, and she had all the brains of a soap dish. And that’s saying something, compared to the intellectual vacuity of Letterman himself…

      1. It’s not like I’m interested in deep conversation with her.
        Sheesh.

      2. Yeah those sleepy eyes give it away, nothing happening behind them.

        1. Well, she could just be baked all the time.

          1. If so how does she apparently avoid the munchies?

    5. you know who you are

      I sure do!

    6. Coco loves to spread them ass cheeks!

  4. QUOTE: The state has no business getting involved in a matter between two individuals.

    Guess who said it. I’ll give a cookie to anyone who guessed correctly.

    Croat man risks charges after explosive sex game
    ZAGREB, Croatia (AFP) – A 50-year-old Croat, who had to get medical help after inserting an anti-aircraft shell in his anus, sparked a police probe and risks charges if similar weapons are found at his home, local media said on Friday.

    1. Oh I know, I know – Raul Castro!

    2. sparked a police probe

      WHOA! I recommend using the non-sparking probe in this situation!

      1. Even that risks charges.

    3. So how long will it be before he’s able to sit down properly again? :3

  5. Well, since you ask so nicely… damn I think I have nothing to say!

  6. The Pledge

    I will not respond in any way to rather or any of her other thousand spoof handles in any way (White Indian, et al.) I have never spoofed her handle, and support no one else doing so. Spoofing her gives her cover for her various trolling activities. Let her post her retarded form letters and whining unmolested; she will hoist herself on her own petard as she has always done.

    The Big Ignore begins today. Please do not feed any of the trolls.

    1. It won’t work. And you’re as guilty as anyone for H&R’s slide into the gutter.

    2. Sure. Mocking her is fun and all, but shit is just out of hand now.

    3. Oh sf, good luck when the shit it the fan…too bad I hear you’re poor. NTTAWWT

      1. SugarFree|8.25.11 @ 9:22AM|# PIRS, she stopped linking to both because some of the filters can block her at that level. Her handle-hopping sniping is always done with no link or a fake link.
        Rather has always operated on two levels: “rather” who is promoting her shitty blog and attempting to actually establish a stable identity on the blog and what Episiarch always called “Anonopussy” the short burst insult-greifer with a thousand handles.
        If you noticed, when rather went, the vast majority of that stopped as well. That means you can really understand that she was sometimes posting insults under a dozen different handles on a single thread. She’s crazy and should have been banned a long time ago.
        I know some other stuff. Email me off list (anyone of you may) and I’ll tell you the real crazy behind it all.

        1. “short burst insult-greifer with a thousand handles.”

          Wasn’t she a character in H.P. Lovecraft?

          1. No, that was a character in H.P. Love-to-fart-in-a-jar.

    4. Signed, Spoonman.

    5. Does that mean I can no longer comment on my comments?

      1. Possibly. We’ll get a ruling from the central committee once they have finished passing out sleeping bags.

        1. I don’t believe in signing things, as it is clearly part of the system which is keeping us all down, bro. I forget what it is called, but does wiggling my fingers pointed up to show affirmation count? ::Wiggles fingers::

          1. Again, we have to wait for the committee. What don’t you people understand about the glories of democracy?

            1. I’m having trouble taking the human mic seriously, but that’s probably a failure on my part.

            2. I am now wiggling my fingers pointed downward, but not in any way to take away from the validity of your position.

              1. Point of order!

                ::makes international sign for vagina::

            3. Again, we have to wait for the committee.

              Will this committee involve a drum circle by any chance?

            4. Again, we have to wait for the committee. What don’t you people understand about the glories of democracy?

        2. Please don’t give one that Warty has used. There is always a dried, white, flakey material inside.

          1. Warty’s habit of eating farina in the bags wouldn’t be so annoying if only we could get him to agree to use a spoon.

          2. FYI…Battlestar Galactica Spoilers ahead.

    6. Over the weekend I just finished Battlestar Galactica (who knew Adama was the head Cylon the whole time???) and now I’m beginning to wonder, just like the Final Five, if I could be a troll and not even know it. Am I going to be suddenly activated at some point, and then have to be ignored? I mean, I don’t agree with you people on some of what is considered essential libertarian ideology.

      I could be switched on at any minute by some song. The idea is chilling to me.

      (WARNING: The preceding comment contained some spoilers.)

      1. Maybe you are some troll mancurian candidate. Do you find yourself gettting text messages suggesting you play some solitare?

        1. Turns out I’m more of a manicurian and pedicurian candidate. I suddenly and without warning like to pamper myself. (So, just like The Manchurian Candidate, Asians are still involved.)

          1. RAAAAAAA….

            Never mind. That was factually accurate.

        2. Isn’t Romney the manicurian candidate?

      2. Easy test, listen to this and see if you download the coordinates for Troll Earth.

        1. Every time I hear this it makes me just want to go get my git and mindlessly pound out Noel Redding’s primitive riff for a few hours.

      3. (WARNING: The preceding comment contained some spoilers.)

        A little fucking late!

        1. Adama’s not the head Cylon – Roslyn is. In fact, it turns out that Balthar is the only actual human being in the entire fleet.

          1. LIES!!!!!!

      4. “No reason to get excited,”
        The thief, he kindly spoke
        “There are many here among us
        Who feel that life is but a joke
        But you and I, we’ve been through that
        And this is not our fate
        So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late”

        1. I like the song, but it’s tainted by that bad, bad finale.

          1. Yeah. The cure for that is to grok Dylan’s exquisite original now and then, I guess.

          2. Hey, wait a minute. Has the i in your name always been capitalized? I don’t think so.

            GET HIM, EVERYONE! It’s a spoofer!

            1. Um, and by “get him” I mean don’t respond to him. Right?

              1. No, it was me. I erred.

                I like Hendrix’s version much more than Dylan’s.

                1. Me too, but I like Hendrix more in general…

                  1. I concur.

                2. And you erred because you were changing your handle back AFTER DOING SOME SPOOFING! Caught!

                  (Actually, I was doing the same thing yesterday, so I couldn’t care less.)

                  1. I’m not spoofing anyone. I’m not sure I ever have.

                    1. Hmm, one week it’s ya never have, next its, “I’m not sure”…lol

          3. I think the finale was bound to not satisfy. The series was too much fun to come up with some grand ending.

            1. Not at all. The fourth season went wrong when it got all metaphysical. What should’ve happened is that they found Earth–today’s Earth–and, in so doing, realized that they were all Cylons, and we were all that was left of the real humans. Then they decided they’d done enough damage and left. Maybe mass suicide. Boom.

            2. I loved the finale right up until they decided to settle on primitive Earth. I really would have liked to have learned more about WTF Starbuck was, too.

              1. I think my libertarian card will be revoked since I haven’t seen BG. I think I will start that as soon as I finish the last season of Smallville.

              2. She was an Angel.

                1. Starbuck was an Angel. Too slow on the reply I guess.

      5. As someone who is watching season 2, if this is true I will rub sand in your dead little eyes.

        1. Don’t worry. Most of it isn’t true.

    7. Hereby pledged. 11-7-11 never forget!

    8. The Big Ignore begins today.

      I’d would instead prefer that the Big Hunt started today, but I’ll take what I can get.

      Isn’t there a Kzin hunting preserve we can drop it off on?

      1. I nominate SugarFree as Speaker-to Animals.

      2. The Big Ignore begins today.

        And it will be every bit as successful as Ignore-a-Troll Day.

        1. You mean Troll-Free Thursdays?
          Those are fairly successful.

          1. Q – Ix-nay on the eeding-fay!

    9. I like the free-wheelin’ aspect of the message board, trolls and all. Short of the banning, I would rather (ha!) have things stay as-is. No one can be insane 100% of the time – WI/Rather/whoever will eventually fade away.

      1. It’s not a “message board.” It’s a chat room.

        1. How ya doin’?

    10. On the road this week. Now briefly checking in for the first time in days. Did I miss some big “incident”?

      1. Fist of Etiquette is a Cylon.

        1. Trollon?

          1. You shut your gods damn mouth you mother fracker!

            1. The Blog’s in danger, get to your stations.

            2. Fist is the 13th model: The Cowboy.

              1. The Cowboy? I dunno, could either be totally badass or totally gaeta.

            3. So say we all.

        1. Well, at least there is one reason to be happy I was without power for 8 days.

    11. Agreed. The spoofing is even worse than responding, in my opinion. As you point out, it just provides cover for persistent trolls.

    12. I will do my level best to comply; I will miss engaging in mockery though.

    13. Agreed.

    14. Signed, the Right Rev.

    15. Will comply. Not because I have anything against feeding trolls. It’s just that WI has gotten really, really boring.

  7. No UFOs? Next thing you will be telling me that 9/11 was done by a bunch of whiny, middle-class, well educated, disaffected punks from Saudi Arabia.

    1. They are actually time machines…

    2. Everyone knows Bush and Cheney repelled down the elevator shafts to set the explosives that were provided to them by the joos.

      1. Because brown people are incapable of such advanced building destruction!

    3. Suki, no it was done by 6 H&R regulars who left an email trail a mile…wait what are you talking about?

    4. No UFOs?

      Yeah, what possible motive could the government have to deny any knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrials here on Earth, after actively covering it up for 64 years? I suppose this on-line response by a low-level White House flunky to an online petition settles the issue for once and for all.

      1. Perfect! Just like a Troofer, the lack of evidence is all of the evidence you need.

  8. Regarding Cash for Clunkers, lefty blogger Brad Plumer writes, “Were the naysayers right? It seems so.” And at Ezra Klein’s stimulative Wonkblog, no less!

    Keynsians never surrender. Imposter!!!

    Also, every other stimulus was bunk too. Just ask the RE market and the random free $500 check Bush sent us in ’08.

    1. What’s funny is that there are still diehards in the comment section there toeing the “It was a perfect stimulus that saved millions of jobs and the entire US auto industry” line.

  9. American Way: A funny thing happened on the way to the Herman Cain lynching
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/n…..-lynching/

    Sexual allegations against a black man are rightly treated with great suspicion by many Americans because they play on the kind of fears and taboos examined in Harper Lee’s To Kill a Mocking Bird. With the case against him thin and the accusation so incendiary, Cain’s predicament is prompting more sympathy than opprobrium.

    Those who leaked the details of the 1990s sexual harassment cases might have thought that they’d destroy Herman Cain and leave his campaign dangling from a tree. But, as befits this strange and unpredictable election campaign, a funny thing happened on the way to the lynching.

    1. The UK needs to shaddup about our politics and we’ll ignore the fact that they’re a bunch of uncouth wankers.

      1. Let’s acknowledge the fact that their uncouthyness allows a well placed “cunt!” to be tossed out without the world collapsing ala Curb Your Enthusiasm S2E14.

        1. Sure, but use the word “spaz” to a Brit and the world will in fact collapse.

    2. The left lost every single bit of credibility it had in the sex arena with Clinton telling the world that a blowjob is not oral sex.

      1. …shits again!

        Time to start calling you angry republican bird.

      2. No one cares. They also used up their ability to damage someone by just running tons of stories and just making noise with Palin. That is what they thought they could do to Cain. Politico ran 94 stories on it in less than a week. It has been the lead of every news cast for days. And they haven’t affected Cain one bit except to give him a money bomb from angry righties.

        1. who’s “they” ?

          1. Politico and the rest of the journolisters who thought this would take down Cain.

            1. Please don’t, John. Please.

              1. Is O2 part of the rather cabal? I always firgured he was just an ordinary liberal troll.

                1. No way of knowing. Best to just cut them all off.

                2. Either way, talking to “him” encourages trolls in general. It’s like you are telling them that this is a fine ole fishin’ hole in which to cast a line.

                  YOCMDAYP

                  1. oops – looks like SF’s trolling the conversation bet john & me.

            2. ohh goodie. another conspiracy theory. was this an on-line meeting, ala cisco, or even better, a physical meet so “they” could coordinate?

              1. No honey, they do it by email, and the wire is hot

      3. It’s not just that. It’s because everyone knows that sexual harassment is hyper-politicized nonsense.

        1. so you’ve read the settlement then ?

          1. It doesn’t matter. No one cares. Bill Clinton fucked an intern half his age with a cigar in the Oval Office and stayed in office.

            Sorry but the sexual harrassment card is maxed out.

            1. we’ll see when the actual harassment is detailed.

            2. Never believed the cigar thing. It was sort of like the “I tried MJ but never inhaled” horseshit. No way that randy fuck didn’t bend her over that big ‘ol desk and put the Willy willy to her.

              1. I believed it Ice Nine. Bill was smart enough not to want to risk getting her pregnant. He just wanted a cheap thrill not a love child.

              1. John’s a troll?

                1. @ IN

                  Guess we ran out of right margin. I was responding to John, not referring to him.

                2. Many years ago I first read the word
                  “troll” in reference to John. Really.

  10. Did anyone see the clips of Paul on the news shows yesterday? They practically threatened to water board him if he didn’t run as an independent. Finally, Paul says in an annoyed voice “because I don’t want to”. You get the sense the media is starting to realize a third party libertarian run is the only way to save Obama.

    1. I’m beginning to think Nucular titties st4rategy of debating the debators is really what’s giving him the bump. If Paul just launched into a tirade against MSNBC about their own vapid mouthbreathing over Obama, his polls might double.

    2. For him to run as an independent would also likely do irreparable damage to the small government resurgence in the GOP.

      1. Yes it would. As it is, even if the worst happens and Romney wins the nomination, he is forcing Romney to go right and will probably force a real small government VP choice on him.

        1. Undead corpse, ever see one?

          ZOMBIE believers, unite!

          1. forget the walking dead if u wanna see zombies. once darabrot left, TWD became just another soap.

      2. For him to run as an independent would also likely do irreparable damage to the small government resurgence in the GOP.

        The only thing that could do more damage is a GOP victory.

    3. …to hell with waiting on HayZeus.

      He’s never coming back anyway.

      Then again, neither is the Constitution.

      It’s hoped-for return is a White Man’s Ghost Dance.

      Wovoka has spoken.

    4. I would advocate Paul running as a 3rd party candidate if he doesn’t win the nomination from the GOP.

      At that point it wouldn’t matter for me because I’m sure as fuck not going to vote for Obama, nor any Team RED douche. Cain MIGHT be my only exception, and I’d still have to figure out whether I could hold my nose long enough to do it.

      1. yeah, i don’t believe the meme about Paul stealing votes, but enough people believe that otherwise reasonable people go into a libertarian hating tirade if they think Paul gave the election to Obama. Let Romney potentially lose on his own. Or even better, let some socon get pissed off and run a third party. I’d love to see some hate go their way for a change.

      2. If he runs as a 3rd party it will only succeed in making the GOP less economically conservative. It’s not like he could possibly win.

        1. And God forbid if he ran 3rd party and the GOP still won!

          1. That would be the Watermelon party with Ralph Nader.

    5. Yeah, and every single article about it says that “no” means “maybe”, apparently.

      1. Politico = date rapists

      2. Do they also say that “yes” means “anal”?

    6. “”You get the sense the media is starting to realize a third party libertarian run is the only way to save Obama.””

      Maybe, then again, never under estimate the stupidity of the American public.

  11. So supposedly Solyndra was also in the UFO business.

    1. both were recalled as bright lights in the desert, but no one could prove the actual existence of a real product.

  12. Hypocrisy watch: NPR affiliate fires a female freelancer for engaging in activism at Occupy Wall Street, keeps a male staffer who runs a website attacking Comcast.

    Hypocrisy? Maybe no one, not even NPR, is willing to defend Comcast. I know I will live to rue the day those jerks take over my cable company.

    1. At least you have a cable company (though I do pity that Insight sold out to Comcast). Out here in the sticks (all the way in Wilmore, a whole 15 miles outside Lexington), all I can get is the same internet technology that I had in Miami. In 1998. Even poor Comcast service will be better than fucking Windstream.

      1. Yeah, I’ve had very few complaints about Insight TV or Internet service. Our big problem is the power going out.

        1. That is going to be a shock to people who do not know that Kentucky has power at all.

    2. I do enjoy throwing their mail into the trash unopened. Other than that, I have no desire to deal with Comcast ever again. They took over cable from Time-Warner at my last house and immediately things went to shit. I had one outage from Time-Warner in 8 years, when somebody ran a truck into a switch box. Comcast I was getting glitch outs once a fucking week.

      1. I’m probably in a minority, but I’ve had nothing but great service from Comcast. No outages in like 5 years and great customer service.

        1. Same here. I haven’t really needed to use the customer service, but I’ve had no problems with them.

        2. Statistical anomaly is the phrase coming to my mind. Regression to the mean is gonna hurt, Chupa.

  13. The report, coming out before the Nov. 23 deadline for a special congressional committee to propose $1.2 trillion in budget cuts over 10 years, casts a spotlight on a government safety net that has buoyed older Americans on Social Security and Medicare amid wider cuts to education and other programs, including cash assistance for poor families.

    “I didn’t earn it, I don’t need it, but if they miss one payment, I’ll raise hell!”

    1. That line reminds me of the new AARP commercial I saw recently. It says, essentially, “Some nefarious politicians have been talking about cutting medicaire/SS benefits. If I were them, I wouldn’t even think about cutting the benefits to a voting block 50M strong.”

      He might as well have said, “I don’t care that I don’t need the money, I’m MORE than willing to watch my children and grandchildren go broke and have to pay the debt on my behalf.”

      1. From Robert Heinlein’s excellent, “Take Back Your Government,” originally written in 1946:

        “Although there are shining exceptions, the average run of our elder citizens are notably avaricious, self-centered, unpatriotic, and devoid of any notion of social responsibility, as compared with their sons and daughters.” (p. 36)

        “…I was surprised to find an amazing and almost unanimous similarity in viewpoint on the part of the elderly rich and the elderly poor:
        Mellowed and altruistic interest in the welfare and future of the whole community? Far from it! The elderly poor wanted $200 every month, or some other pension which would pay them more income than they had ever earned while working, and they didn’t give a hoot what it did to the country! The elderly rich wanted the highest possible return from mortgages, rents, dividends, or other investment income, and they didn’t give a hoot what it did to the country!” (p. 37)

        “…the motivation was identical and utterly shameless—blind and narrow selfishness, short range in nature and quite unconcerned with the welfare and future of their children and their country.” (p. 38)

        I have no doubt that those over 60 will cheerfully bankrupt this country, if it means a little more time for their benefits to run. Just try telling someone over 60 that SS essentially is welfare for old people. I suggest flame retardant underwear, a face shield for the spittle, and a hearty lunch.

  14. The Cain scandal you haven’t heard about
    http://blog.american.com/2011/…..ear-about/

    The frenzy over allegations of sexual harassment against Herman Cain has obscured another scandal involving the candidate, what appears to be a blatantly illegal use of a non-profit organization to fund the initial stage of his campaign. Set up as a 501(c)3, the same kind of non-profit as charities, universities, and think tanks, Prosperity USA spent tens of thousands of dollars on campaign-related activities for Cain, according to investigative reporting by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Much of the money for Prosperity USA came from Americans for Prosperity, the activist conservative organization funded by the Koch Brothers. Prosperity USA was apparently the brainchild of Cain campaign impresario Mark Block, who had served as Wisconsin director of Americans for Prosperity.

    1. So, they could not get him on a settlement that he was not party to, so they gin this up? Keep it classy Perry!

      1. Perry’s like school at three o clock in the mornin’ – no class!

    2. Prosperity USA spent tens of thousands of dollars on campaign-related activities for Cain,

      I’ll need to see the details. My 501(c)(3) knowledge is pretty stale, but my recollection is that up until he was an actual, formally announced candidate, expenditures by his 501(c)(3) could not have been in support of his candidacy.

    1. Yes, we must keep punishing those Cubans for being…poor?…brown?…classic car hoarders?

      Oh right communist…like our biggest trade partner China.

      Damn I love government hypocrisy.

      1. They embarrassed a Kennedy. We must make them suffer eternally.

        1. The Kennedys embarrassed themselves. Can we make the Kennedys suffer eternally?

        2. Now that is the first explanation that makes any sense.

  15. Koch group staffers, event attendees: 911 hung up on us four times during Occupy DC mob
    http://dailycaller.com/2011/11…..py-dc-mob/

    Americans For Prosperity staffers told The Daily Caller that Washington, D.C. 911 operators hung up on them four times when they asked for extra police to help them deal with the Occupy DC protesters who stormed their “Defending the American Dream Summit” Friday evening.

    1. “Hello operator, I’m here at an event sponsored by the coke brothers and need some help.”

      1. Too bad Marion Berry wasn’t working the phones. As soon as he heard “Coke Brothers,” he would have been there himself to lend a hand.

        1. Sounds like a setup.

        2. “Re-elect Marion Barry. He got drugs off the streets.”

    2. Mr. Plow is never around to clear out those pesky protesters, when you really need him.

      1. At least Mr. Sparkle could clean off the hippy stench afterward.

        1. It promises to banish dirt to the land of wind and ghosts, you know. Very effective.

  16. Mo. residents upset by order to move lake homes
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..6-15-31-15

    Nearly every year, Patsy Riley has gotten unsolicited offers for her house on Missouri’s Lake of the Ozarks with its spectacular views of tree-lined bluffs and its ample shoreline, but she never wanted to leave. Now, she and hundreds of her neighbors wonder what will become of their homes after a federal agency declared that many structures built close to the lake may have to go.

    The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, citing restrictions on private developments around dams, says thousands of residences, decks, patios and boathouses appear to encroach on land belonging to the hydroelectric project in violation of federal regulations.

    1. Safety issue is the new eminent domain?

      1. Bullshit is the same eminent domain.

        1. thousands of residences, decks, patios and boathouses appear to encroach on land belonging to the hydroelectric project

          Ummm, it’s not eminent domain when you kick people off land that does not belong to them.

          1. From the article:

            The dispute pits the government’s rules for hydroelectric projects against the potential vagaries of land records and private transactions that go back more than 80 years. Riley and other property owners say they have legal deeds to their land that permitted construction. The agency says it has regulations protecting the lake’s recreation, scenery and environment against development.

            A required shoreline plan noted that some structures had been built over time on some of the utility’s property for the dam, in many cases when Union Electric Co., an earlier form of Ameren, was the owner. How the property was sold was not clear. But the utility had no problem with many of the structures.

            Hard to say without knowing more, and doesn’t fit all of the checkboxes for adverse possession (for one thing, it doesn’t look like the possession was hostile; for another, I’m unclear whether you can adversely possess land belonging to a sovereign.), but it sure seems like a similar equitable situation.

            The article is unclear as to whether the homeowners actually purchased all of the land from the utility or some of it. The article makes it sound like FERC is coming in years later and saying that the utility shouldn’t have sold the land in the first place. Which seems unfair to the landowners.

            First step, of course, will be figuring out who the land belongs to. Which will be hideously expensive, not that the Gov’t gives much of a shit about litigation expenses from defending one of their suits.

      2. I’m reminded of a small local grocery store that also sells gas. Though the gas pumps are now clearly not up to current legal specifications regarding location (they are only 10 feet away from the street without any protection), the store still got to keep them since “they’ve always been there”. So in this case, they were grandfathered in.

  17. Obama’s Solyndra fiasco

    However, the refinancing failed and on September 6, 2011, Solyndra filed for bankruptcy. The immediate result was the layoff of 1,100 workers.
    http://communities.washingtont…..ra-fiasco/

    Adding fuel to the fire, Solyndra executives cashed in big-time just days before filing for bankruptcy. Bill Stover, the company’s CFO who pleaded the Fifth before Congress at a September hearing, was awarded at least $120,000 in bonuses on top of his $367,000 salary. Karen Alter, senior vice president of marketing, received two $55,000 bonuses on April 15 and July 8 of this year, on top of her $250,000 annual salary. Ben Bierman, executive vice president of operations and engineering, received $120,000 in bonuses this year on top of his $276,000 salary.

    1. That was totally not in the plan, I’m sure.

      Nothing like cashing out with taxpayer dollars just days before filing for bankruptcy. How are people not going to go to jail in this?

      1. Are they still going through the bankruptcy? I don’t remember reading that their plan was confirmed or that the liquidation was concluded.

        I wonder if the bonuses are going to be classed as wages or whether the trustee will be able to claw them back in some way?

  18. McDonald’s chief : Curb spending and cut taxes
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fin…..taxes.html

    “The question is, how can we get the ox out of the ditch?” Mr Skinner said. “In order to create jobs in America, you’re going to have to cut taxes? particularly in the business community.

    “We pay some of the highest [corporate] taxes around the world. There needs to be some levelling.”

    Asked about federal borrowing, he said: “It’s not a good story? the government has to spend less. We have to grow the economy, grow GDP? and you have to be able to do it in an organic way and not through borrowings and increasing debt.”

  19. MF Global: No Change After All
    http://online.wsj.com/article/…..lenews_wsj

    “We remain confident that we have the resources and expertise to continue to successfully manage these exposures to what we believe will be a positive conclusion in December 2012,” Mr. Corzine said.

    Some people think you have to be a Republican to be this delusional while trading derivatives, but it appears that reckless gambling and shameless looting will continue no matter who is in charge.

    “One of the things you’ve got in Jon Corzine is somebody who tells it to you straight,” Mr Obama said.

    And you can take that to the bank ? I mean, the bank ? ruptcy court.

    1. I have a feeling you might get banhammered.

      1. but I’m the lovable, nay Noble Lord Humungus, who posts the alt-links in an orderly fashion.

        1. I do admire your formatting.

  20. Ahhhh local politics:
    http://blog.chron.com/texaslib…..connected/
    Local school board incumbent says that opponent is totally a gaylord.

    1. I wonder why anybody thought this would play in a city with a lesbian mayor.

    2. The Chron did yank their endorsement of Rodriguez. Cynically, I wonder if his anti-gay stance doesn’t play well with his constituents? I didn’t think GLBT were well thought of in the Hispanic community.

      My sample ballot doesn’t have Rodriguez on it, so it’s not a city-wide election for his seat. Now, if he were running in the Heights/Montrose/Midtown, then yeah, that’d be pretty tone deaf.

      1. Not in the Hispanic or Black communities but if we can elect a lesbian mayor citywide it seems like a bad idea.

    3. I LOL’ed at “gaylord”.

  21. Young woman dies from overdose at Occupy Vancouver protest.

    “Shutting down the encampment will not alleviate the heroin epidemic that’s going on in this city,” one of the protesters said. “We need people to pay attention to this fact. We need funding, we need help.”

    A section of the tent city near the corner of Howe and Georgia streets was roped off and about a dozen police and fire officials were on scene, the CBC’s Chad Pawson reported from the scene on Saturday afternoon. He reported about a dozen people were visibly upset, crying and hugging each other, and being very hostile towards the media.

    1. It’s Vancouver. The shocking part is that there hasn’t been a heroin OD before now.

      1. Heroin is actually a very easy drug not to overdose on. It takes a lot of it and an addict’s body builds up a tolerance pretty quick. All they have to do is remmeber to cut the dose back down to next to nothing after they kick it and get through withdrawls. People have used heroin for decades and not ODed. You really have to be stupid to OD.

        1. You really have to be stupid to OD.

          we’re talking about an Occupy (TM) chick…

        2. Most heroin overdoses are related to the purity of the drug they have purchased. It’s not something the average addict can check, so they have to guess at dosage with each new batch.

          And why can’t they get the same stuff every time? Illegality. The drug war is at the root of most heroin ODs.

          1. And because it’s illegal, people are a less likely to call 911, because they are scared they will get in trouble.

            Although making narcan OTC might help.

            1. And because it’s illegal, people are a less likely to call 911, because they are scared they will get in trouble.

              Yet one more reason to legalise drugs.

          2. I have a friend from my high school days who was a junky for 10+ years. He was a smart guy who got addicted to pain-killers when he was thirteen… and proceeded on to the heavier stuff, eventually teaching himself to use the needle, including mainlining.

            Anyways, he told me that he never OD’ed – by following some simple rules. Never mix with alcohol. Don’t ever shoot more than you’re used to. If of unknown quality – which he says he never had much of a problem getting the uncut stuff since he was friends with the dealers – ramp up.

            The guy should write a book, his stories are sad, but also amusing as hell – his escapes from Detox centers, doing crack with hookers, drug dealers borrowing his car, writing fake presciptions, etc etc. And somehow he never got arrested or had any legal troubles. Of course back then he looked like an all-American boy which probably helped.

        3. Not really, but what you are saying about those who lose their tolerance is true. There are many other factors.

          1. That is how Janis Joplin and Graham Parsons ODed. They both kicked the stuff and lost their tolerence and then took their normal dose when they went back on.

            1. Yes, but it’s not the only cause.

        4. Heroin is actually a very easy drug not to overdose on

          Not really. You assume that the purity is consistent, that the stuff it is cut with is safe, etc. The main cause of overdose is the fact that people don’t know what they are injecting into their veins. FDA labeling ain’t around to help.

          1. Guess I was slow on that one.

            1. I was watching some show on drug addiction and crime and they pointed out that a pharmaceutical company/purity controlled amount of heroin the average addict consumes in a day can be mass produced for about 25 cents. They went on to cite $50 per day of street garbage cut with baby laxative.

              Crony capitalism at it’s most base level.

              1. Yep. And if you don’t have to be a sketchy, scheming junky all the time and spend all your money on dope, it is quite possible to live a decent and productive life while addicted to opiates.

              2. Crapitalism. Years ago I heard a doctor on his radio show say people could be prescribed maintenance amounts of heroine with no ill effects. Pretty sure he meant it was possible, not that it was legal.

            2. Slow, but relevant, NM.

              I had to warn my junky friends when some heroin hit the streets a few years ago cuz it was cut with fentanyl, making it much easier to OD.

          2. As I said above, good point. I was thinking more of the good old days of the 60s when people had access to the pharmaceutical grade stuff.

    2. Vancouver’s going on year 20 of being occupied. They need to shove those louts into the pacific.

  22. Something for the libertarian gals who find the traditional top hat too butch for their taste:

    QFW (Questionable for Work)

    Top Hat Panties!

    1. Speaking as a libertarian gal, I’ll stick with the top hat proper.

      Thanks anyways.

      1. +1 – who wants to drop their pants every time they need to prove they’re a a mad, bad, and dangerous to know libertarian? Much better to tilt the top hat back and smirk.

        1. Observation #11:

          Historically, a story about people inside impressive buildings ignoring or even taunting people standing outside shouting at them turns out to be a story with an unhappy ending.

          “Thirteen Observations made by Lemony Snicket while watching Occupy Wall Street from a Discreet Distance.”
          http://www.dangerousminds.net/comment…..ll_street/

          1. Strangely, I do not think the Stupefy movement is going to be overthrowing anything soon.

          2. Apparently Lemony Snicket went to the Elizabeth Warren school of fallacious demagoguery.

      2. How about a monocle diaphragm?

        1. For the camera you mean?

          I think it could work.

          1. Camera, contraceptive, whatever.

            1. I’ve been bad and stayed up all night. So I’m a bit slow on the uptake this AM. 🙁

  23. It is not only Greece, Spain or Italy that is in trouble. Even France and Germany, the ones that are supposed to save and dictate to everyone are going to face trouble soon.

    1. Remember when Bernanke was telling Ron Paul that gold was a relic and not really money anyway?
      Now the shit has hit the fan and the G-20 demanded that the Euro funny money be backed by the German’s pile of usless relic metal.

      German answer: Fuck You.
      http://www.reuters.com/article…..8O20111107

      1. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Germans weren’t busy adding to gold reserves.

        1. Aren’t they about due to start a military buildup anyway?

          1. Well, employment is low and the Third Reich already built the autobahn (see what good government can do!), we rebuilt their railroadzzz for them (you’re effin’ welcome! though I guess the 8th Army Air Force did relentlessly pulverize their infrastructure…) so my guess is they draft their unumployed Turks and use them to, ahh, ‘monitor’ Greek compliance.

            The Greeks won’t mind, amiright? The Germans paying Turk mercenaries to occupy Greece – again?

        2. id be surprised considering gold is at historic highs.

          1. Compared to the Euro and the Dollar, it can still go a whole lot higher. The Fed is stocking up on gold, too, dipshit. That surprise you?

            1. i searched that. the fed bought gold last year while russia & china are buying gold this year. what other facts have you…turdbreath.

            2. also what evidence that gold can “still go a whole lot higher”?

  24. Quetz: that would be supreme irony.

  25. The U.S. government has no evidence … that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race.

    Sheesh, now the WH is throwing James Carville under the bus.

    1. Next thing, they’ll deny the existence of Bat Boy.

      1. Don’t talk about Henry Waxman’s son like that unless he’s able to defend himself.

    2. “The extraterrestrials did not contact or engage us – we nuked them before they could do anything. Then we covered it up.

      “Wait – did I just hit ‘send’?”

  26. The 47-to-1 wealth gap between old and young is believed by demographers to be the highest ever, even predating government records.
    In all, 37 percent of younger-age households have a net worth of zero or less

    But they have iPhones! What else matters?

    1. The gap will become greater, as the young will have to increasingly pay more and more for the increasing number of the old.

    2. They also have a debilitating SS fee every month taken straight from their paycheck.

  27. Scientists puzzled by recent seismic activity after biggest earthquake in Oklahoma history
    The magnitude 5.6 quake, aftershocks rattle residents BY The Associated Press NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
    Monday, November 7 2011, 3:59 AM

    Oklahoma typically had about 50 earthquakes a year until 2009. Then the number spiked, and 1,047 quakes shook the state last year, prompting researchers to install seismographs in the area.

    There are 181 injection wells in the Oklahoma county where most of the weekend earthquakes happened, said Matt Skinner, spokesman for the Oklahoma Corporation Commission, which oversees oil and gas production in the state and intrastate transportation pipelines.

    Arkansas also has seen a big increase in earthquake activity, which residents have blamed on injection wells.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new…..e-1.973517

    1. which residents have blamed on injection wells.

      Next up local residents credit the cock crowing for the sun rising.

      1. after arkansas shut-down a few wells located near the fault, the quakes stopped.

        1. Interesting. But two things. First, one incident of correlation doesn’t give causation, especially when there is no explination for that causation. Two, these are small quakes that did little damage. So even if it did cause it, so what? It is not like it is setting off the New Madrid quake.

          1. no john, moar than “1 incident” since the quakes increased in PA & NY near injection wells too.

            the full damage is not known yet, but hoping quakes wont happen near injection wells is NOT a plan.

            1. Pretending that correlation is causation is not a plan either. Just because you want to beleive it doesn’t mean its true.

              1. and yet when the closest injection wells to the faults are shut-down, the quakes stop whether PA, NY, & AR.

                1. o2, got a link? Would be relevant to my work.

                  1. google “injection well earthquakes” & take ur pick of domestic or international incidents.

  28. Killer Asrtroid Stalks Earth!!

    http://www.skyandtelescope.com…..13563.html

    1. It’s just a teaser before the main event.

      1. Science Fiction is techno-salvationism wank material for the American Cargo Cultists.

        (but yeah, I did read it, back in the day, as you can tell if you have read it, and I know how to make gunpowder from piss too)

      2. Lucifer’s Hammer is an awesome book.

    2. If only delta-v to those things wasn’t so high it would be awesome to put a small telescope on them to find any friends it might have (and so we’d know exactly where it is).

  29. I believe that a demand for the release of yet more files?even in the United States?is no longer a useful focus. It’s an interesting sidetrack, but it does not speak to the heart of the problem. Undue emphasis on seeking further release of documents could even prolong the international stalemate we now face, and give governments a way out through claims that they have done their part by declassifying files or will be doing so in the near future.

    While Leslie Kean could be talking about almost anything government related in that statement, she’s discussing the release of UFO files. I agree with her. The real focus shouldn’t be acquiring reams of redacted and useless government UFO documents but instead exposing the Trilateral Commission for what it is, a cabal of reptilianoids from the Shi’xnorac asteroid field sent to conquer Earth and harvest our flies.

    1. That’s a myth. They want our grasshoppers, not our flies. Really.

      1. That’s what the grasshopperoids want you to think.

        1. May the Pentaverate forgive you.

          1. Pentavirate. Are you taking spelling lessons from John?

            1. I’m trying to avoid their blog searching robots. Nice job–now we’re on their radar.

              1. We were already. You think they don’t follow the tentacles of the Kochtopus?

                1. Professionals don’t dally with amateurs.

                2. They are the tentacles of the Kochtopus!

      2. The Grasshopper Lies Heavy.

    2. Button flies, or zippered?

    3. WHat’s funny is even though it is all bullshit, they STILL pay clerks to go through and black shit out.
      I think they do it just to jerk the chain on the UFO nuts.

  30. “The largest banks are larger than they were when Obama took office and are nearing the level of profits they were making before the depths of the financial crisis in 2008, according to government data.”

    “Make those checks payable to ‘Committee to Re- Elect the President’, and leave them in the basket on your way out.”

  31. …a series of unfortunate events.

    “Thirteen Observations made by Lemony Snicket while watching Occupy Wall Street from a Discreet Distance.”
    http://www.dangerousminds.net/comment…..ll_street/

    1. Those are pretty good.

      BTW, here is another egregious incident at Occupy Oakland. 8-(

    2. Strange, the series stopped early, and didn’t include the counterrevolution, the inter-factional purges, and so on.

  32. Sigh.

    My terminally ill 4-year-old granddaughter was kept alive until she was 10. Every life is precious and everyone should be kept alive as long as possible even if they can’t afford it.

    1. Why do you hate children and Country music?

  33. Italy joins Greece in scaring the beejezus out of the rest of Europe.

    Um, FWIW, this article didn’t mention the word “Italy”. No biggy though, it’s not like some H&R weirdness just started today.

  34. http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyf…..-2012.aspx

    David Brody predicts Cain/Gingrich in 2012. It could be worse I guess. No one could ever call them stupid that is for sure.

    1. No one could ever call them stupid

      I hear China is pursuing nuclear weapons and if they get them, they might be a military threat to the US.

      1. YEah because lots of dumb guys get masters in mathematics. Uninformed or saying something wrong is not dumb.

        If Cain is dumb is the Democratic attack point, good luck with that.

        1. lots of dumb guys get masters in mathematics

          Base credentialism.

          Elitist!

          1. No some uniformed foolish people get masters in those fields. No one who does could be described as being “dumb” in any meaningful sense of the therm.

            1. I dunno, John: you’ve never met an idiot with a PhD? Even one from the sciences? I can think of 2 PhDs right off hand that I wouldn’t trust to teach kids basic mechanics, much less anything more complicated.

              Cain’s gaffe (and there will be more, the guy isn’t the most polished candidate out there) just struck me as indicative that he was unprepared for that question, and instead of ducking it, decided to guess. Which a lot of smart, egotistical, opinionated people have the habit of doing, but what is a really bad habit in a job as scrutinized as Presidential candidates are. Well, most of them anyways.

              It is a delight to see the mass media begin to figure out that they can vet a black man’s background and not get called out as racist.

        2. If Cain is dumb is the Democratic attack point, good luck with that.

          Of course that will be the democratic attack point. They’ve used it for at leas sixty years and they’ll stick with it no matter what.

          1. They’ve already used it. Go look at the Colbert segment making fun of Cain for his three page bill limit proposal where they said “all treaties must fit on the back of a cereal box.”

            Conservatives like to express their points in simplistic ways and that leaves them open to the charge of anti-intellectual. They tend to distrust “fancy and slick talkers.”

            It’s not fair. Many a fine rhetorician is not actually smart and vice versae, but it’s been a decades long dynamic in US politics.

            1. Bullshit.

              The democrats are smart and republicans are dumb meme is one of the foundational concepts of the democrat party. Voting democrat is a way for people of average and below average intelligence to feel better about themselves. “We’re smarter and more compassionate”, both of which are demonstrably false.

              Admitting that a republican was smarter or more compassionate would eliminate the raison d’etre for the democrat party’s existence.

              1. I’ve supported Republicans and used to be pretty conservative, but it’s hard to not see that the conservative movement itself plays into that meme strongly. For a long time the GOP and conservatives have been negative about “pointy-headed intellectuals” and “slick talkers” preferring folks like Ike, Reagan, W, etc., who actually foster an image of “down-home folks who go with their gut.”

                1. To some extent that is republicans embracing the slur that the dems and their propagandists in the MSM push.

                  It has traction because the intellectuals are demonstrably not as smart as they think they are. Where were all of the smart guys in the early 00s?

                  Oh yeah, that’s right, they were telling us that the business cycle had been eliminated by their benevolent guidance. Even as the bubble began deflating in late 07 & early 08, they said that it was a minor correction that they could fix if only they had a little more power.

                  At this point, anyone that trusts self styled smart experts is an idiot.

                  1. “republicans embracing the slur that the dems and their propagandists in the MSM push”

                    Er, if, as you admit, they are embracing the slur then perhaps the Dems and the MSM are just…recognizing that?

                    But maybe I’m just fancy talking here.

                2. For a long time the GOP and conservatives have been negative about “pointy-headed intellectuals” and “slick talkers” preferring folks like Ike, Reagan, W, etc., who actually foster an image of “down-home folks who go with their gut.”

                  Ike’s “down-home” image, whatever it may have been, was completely overblown by the media. How the Dems could have ever tagged him as intellecutally inferior shows just how much of a complex they’ve had regarding “egg-head” credentialism ever since FDR’s so-called braintrust. How a West Point grad, who oversaw the European theater during WW2, could ever be regarded as an country bumpkin is beyond logic.

                3. You lost me at “I’ve”.

              2. “Admitting that a republican was smarter or more compassionate would eliminate the raison d’etre for the democrat party’s existence.”
                _
                the gop has forclosed that option w death panels, gun confiscation, FEMA camps, birth certificates, etc

                1. “Death panels” was a accurate description of the end point of Obamacare.

                  Gun confiscation is every left douchebags wet dream.

                  1. the closest thing to a death panel is jan brewer throwing transplant patients off state medicare. >do you contend any of those RW memes actually happened? which?

          2. Actually, “dumb” is only their stage 1 attack point. If they can’t get that one to stick, then stage 2 becomes “evil” (see Cheney, Richard B.). Sometimes, opposition gets to be extra special and they get to be both dumb and evil (see Bush, George W.)

      2. All 57 states?

      3. I hear China is pursuing nuclear weapons …

        Typical media sliming that dumbfucks on the left mindlessly suck up.

        Cain never said that China didn’t have nuclear weapons. He said that they were working on their nuclear capability as in long range delivery methods, which is true.

        “The media” becomes ever more ridiculous every day.

        1. Cain never said that China didn’t have nuclear weapons. He said that they were working on their nuclear capability as in long range delivery methods, which is true.

          http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..10-31.html

          “So yes they’re a military threat. They’ve indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat.”

          While I think there is not much to be made of this…and I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt if he says he knew they had nukes since the 60s…you can’t spin what he said the way you are trying to here. He DIDN’T say “working to develop THEIR nuclear capability.” He said “to develop nuclear capability” which on a pure semantic level doesn’t allow for them to already have that capability.

    2. David Brody predicts Cain/Gingrich in 2012.

      Close. It’ll be Romney/Cain.

      1. Romney can’t win. Too many people hate him. Cain is in many ways a weak candidate. But is outpolling Romney because so many people are willing to vote for anyone but Romney. Romney has hit a ceiling. He won’t go any higher than what he is. It is now just a question of who passes him. He can’t win.

        1. Dude, Romney is leading Iowa, a place where he has campaigned very little.

          He’s your nominee dude, we await the “I hate Romney, but”s…

          1. He is not ahead in Iowa. They are tied at 20. And Cain has not campaigned there much at all.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/…..ust-behind

          2. That’s what I did last election. It was unpleasant.

          3. I am not voting for Romney. When he doesnt’ get the nomination, I fully expect you to say you knew it all along. I am not sure it is worth the effort to cut and paste all of your posts assuring us otherwise.

            Regardless, we get it. You think I am a liar. Good for you. Constantly yelling “liar!!” every time the subject comes up is getting tiresome. You might as well be White Indian.

            1. Not liar, hack. Let’s get it straight 😉

              1. Yada Yada Yada. Seriously, what is the point of you yelling “hack you are going to vote Romney I know it” every fucking thread? We got it. find something different to say.

                1. Because it is fun to watch you flip and flop to accomodate your partisanship?

                  Guilty as charged!

                  1. Except that I haven’t flip flopped and it just makes every thread “yes you are” “no I am not”. It is just annoying to anyone reading.

                    1. I hope you hold that position until March so I can win my bet with Tony…

                    2. Then shut up until March. As it is, it is just tiresome.

                    3. Nah, it’s fun.

                    4. “Nah, it’s fun”

                      Fuck. Off. Useless. Cunt.

              2. Not liar, nor a hack, just incredibly gullible 🙁

            2. With you, JOhn, I will not vote for Romney. If he’s the nominee I’ll write-in someone else. I live in NY so its not like it matters anyway.

    3. I dunno, Cain is refreshing but he has an anti-intellectual thing going at times (like when he said all bills should be no less than three pages and that he would never hire a muslim).

      1. I don’t see how saying bills should be three pages is anti-intellectual. There is a good intellectual case to be made that our bills are too big to properly function. I don’t know that I agree with it to the extent I would want only two page bills. But that is not “anti-intellectual” whatever that is.

        And “intellectual” is pretty much a dirty work. The intellectuals have made us the brokest nation in history. I didn’t go to an Ivy League school, have never been a politician and never worked on Wall Street are pretty popular things to say right now.

        1. So Cain is smart and that is great but smart people are evil and have ruined the nation.

          OK.

          1. No, some smart people are stupid and foolish and believe dumb things and have ruined the nation. That doesn’t mean Cain isn’t foolish too. Time will tell. But regardless, what has happened has happened. And that is a lot of “smart” people who convinced themselves they had all of the answers have done a tremedous amount of damage.

            I wouldn’t call Barney Frank stupid. I am sure he is a smart person. But his fanatical belief in foolish things has done lots of damage.

            1. Oh I see, Cain is “one of the good ones.”

              1. Yes. Because he apparently doesn’t believe stupid and foolish things. It is not about your IQ. It is about the substance of your opinions. So yeah, there is good and bad smart.

                1. So there is good smart and bad smart, the bad smart being smart people who are not smart (stupid).

                  This is like something from Lewis Carrol.

                  1. Smart people can believe dumb or even evil things. Lots of very smart people were communists and nazis. Just because they were smart didn’t mean they had any business anywhere near power.

                    Come on MNG. You are just making a fool of yourself. Stop it. You know the difference.

                    1. I’m making a fool of myself? I’m not the person arguing that smart people are smart when they are smart but smart people are dumb when they are dumb.

                      Or something.

                    2. Because you apparently can’t understand that whether someone is a good or a bad person depends upon their views not their IQ. So yes, it is perfectly rational to say “Cain is one of the good smart people and Frank is not”.

                  2. So there is good smart and bad smart, the bad smart being smart people who are not smart (stupid).

                    Typical leftist delusion that intelligence is the source of morality and wisdom.

                    You refuse to accept that someone can be both smart and dishonest, venal and self serving or that someone can be intelligent in one area and foolish in another.

                    1. “You refuse to accept that someone can be both smart and dishonest”

                      Where do I do that? I’m having some fun with John’s semantic stumbling but I’ve never said that.

                    2. No MNG you are just making a fool out of yourself. When you are wrong is when you at your worst. That is when you start calling names and denying the obvious. Anyone reading the thread can see how dumb your points are and the simple point I was making.

                    3. The misconception that because one is smart and well-informed in one area that you are automatically smart and well-informed in another area is a fatal conceit shared by way too many smart people.

                    4. Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them.-George Orwell

          2. smart intellectual

            1. D’oh!

              smart != intellectual

              (the squirrels ate my “”)

    4. Gingrich is an execrable human, unfortunately.

      (Not that Obama isn’t an execrable President.)

      1. This is the telltale sign of the partisan hack. Unable to criticize an R (or D as the case may be) without a qualifier about the other side.

        1. I don’t think it makes me a partisan hack to point out that both Rs and Ds are awful people.

        2. ???
          Actually the opposite is true. Attacking both sides is a sign of partisanship only for those who think in Orwell speak.

          1. Duh. He meant “libertarian partisan”. If you attack both Republicans and Democrats, you’re a huge hack.

    5. Cain/Gingrich definitely has the skeezebag element going for it.

      Alright…I’ll wait until they substantiate the harassment claims before I make such a cheap shot.

  35. Re: The WaPo piece on Cash for Clunkers…

    Now, there’s a case to be made that that’s better than nothing.

    Because SOMEBODY!!! DID!!! SOMETHING!!!

    Actually, there is absolutely no case to be made that it was better than nothing. There was absolutely no net benefit to be had from that retarded program. None. Is it possible for someone to just issue a mea culpa completely free of any sort of qualification for once? Wanting so desperately to believe something to be true when it has been conclusively been proven otherwise almost seems like mental illness. Snap out of it already.

  36. I can’t believe the f*cking Steelers couldn’t get on the field and do that field goal last night in time. WTF?

  37. there is absolutely no case to be made that it was better than nothing.

    Michael, Michael, Michael. Everybody knows that doing nothing is not an option.

  38. U.S. wealth gap between olds and youngs gets bigger.

    Tax the elderly! Think of the children!

  39. The Supreme Court is hearing arguments in a Jerusalem-born boy’s challenge to State Department policy that prevents him from having his passport show he was born in Israel.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..=142088911

    1. Having his passport show he was born in Israel is not exactly a boon.

      1. It’s a point of pride for many Jews to be so affiliated with Israel, it’s a very understandable thing for him to bring this suit.

        What’s more is that he should win. The problem is these signing statements. If you are POTUS and you don’t like a law, veto it.

  40. There was absolutely no net benefit to be had from that retarded program.

    There’s your trouble.

    It’s not about net benefit, it’s about transferring wealth from a lot of faceless nobodies to a small group of preferred special pleaders. Nobody in Washington gives a shit about the long term cost to used-car buyers, or about the destruction of perfectly serviceable automobiles, as long as they managed to artificially create a temporary demand bump to make their takeover of GM and Chrysler look like a “success”.

    1. Oh please. How nice it must be to live in a world of white hatted good guys and black hatted villians. Of course you’re one of the good guys so such a view just makes you feel that much more righteous.

      You can’t imagine that a goal for the program might have been to bolster car dealers and makers at a time when credit markets had seemingly collapsed and they were taking a hit? I mean, you can’t hold that thought in your head about many supporters motivation and still find the program to be wrongheaded?

      Black and white.

      1. Stupid and/or corrupt people enacted a dumb policy that benefited a few at the cost of the many. The policy was ill-conceived and poorly executed. That’s your black and white. Fuck well-meaning and good intentions. Results matter.

      2. MNG, if they actually thought that, they are completely stupid. No one could be that dumb. They are either corrupt or retarded. And they don’t appear to be retarded.

        1. It’s not completely stupid given the motivation. If the motivation was to bolster certain segments of the economy seen as being particularly hard hit by the credit collapse and spreading the costs out thinly amongst many others who would take the hit less hard, then that’s not self-evidently stupid to any non-ideologue.

          1. Yes it is.

          2. Is there a difference between this:

            bolster certain segments of the economy seen as being particularly hard hit by the credit collapse and spreading the costs out thinly amongst many others who would take the hit less hard

            and this?

            transferring wealth from a lot of faceless nobodies to a small group of preferred special pleaders

            Because I’m not seeing it.

          3. You have to be completely ignorant not to understand that doing this wasn’t going to

            1. raise the prices of used cars and screw poor people

            2. just move demand forward and get people who were planning to buy a car further in the future to buy one now and do nothing to help the long term demand for cars.

            If your position is they are so dumb they didn’t understand that, my advice to you would be it would be better to claim they were crooks.

            1. You are completely missing the point I made above. Hint: given the motivation

              1. The motivation being…helping out rich car dealers? Oooh, noble.

                1. Er, the idea, which I’ve said before and you’ve either missed or chosen in your hackery to ignore is to spread out costs that seemed to be falling particularly hard on a segment of the economy particularly intertwined with the credit markets that were failing.

              2. So they wanted to screw working class and poor people to help auto dealers and unions.

                Oh that makes it sound so much better.

                1. This is pretty goofy seeing as how car dealers are not unionized to my knowledge and many auto workers are not either.

                  1. “car dealers and unions”

                    Sometimes John says dumb things, but come on MNG you have to read them first before making that assumption.

                    1. And why, if these people are so smart, haven’t they ever heard of the good ole “Broken Windows”? They were so smart that they thought the destruction of millions of dollars of property would be a good thing?!

                      And you called someone else a partisan hack?!!!

      3. Road, Hell.

      4. Forseeable consequences are not unintended.

      5. You can’t imagine that a goal for the program might have been to bolster car dealers and makers at a time when credit markets had seemingly collapsed and they were taking a hit?

        The problem, MNG, is that it was a goal with questionable value given the economic circumstances. Consider:

        1) The cars given away under the program had to have their engine blocks destroyed. How many perfectly serviceable used cars were put out of commission for this program, as opposed to the “clunks” its supporters cited on forums such as Edumunds.com?

        2) In an economy sporting a total debt-to-GDP ratio of about 350%, what made the administration decide that people taking out EVEN MORE debt would be a good idea? Keep in mind that even with all this artificial liquidity being pumped into the system, consumer debt sans student loans has been dropping ever since the bubble popped.

        Not to belabor the “good intentions” cliche, but an administration full of supposedly academically gifted individuals should have been able to do the math and a realistic const/benefit analysis. It reflected the thinking behind the stimulus that the recession was drivin by a lack of liquidity as opposed to everyone being massively overleveraged due to 30+ years of artificial credit creation. THAT’S ulitmately why C4C failed, and why states are now scrambling to figure out budgets that were kept at artificially high bubble levels, on the condition of taking stimulus money.

    2. Concentrated benefits, diffuse costs. Special interests 101.

  41. Uninformed or saying something wrong is not dumb.

    It is used in that sense quite frequently…e.g., “that was a dumb thing to say.”

    1. Then Obama is a dumb person because he said Austrians speak Austrian?

      1. People will call him that, yes. You said people couldn’t. People will always use the “dumb” accusation without regard to education or actual intelligence. I am pretty sure you have called Obama stupid on an occasion or two…despite clear evidence he isn’t stupid. Cain has a college degree. So does Obama. Neither are dumb. But both will be called dumb when they say something that seems obviously ignorant.

  42. If the motivation was to bolster certain segments of the economy seen as being particularly hard hit by the credit collapse and spreading the costs out thinly amongst many others who would take the hit less hard

    Robbing a million faceless Peters to pay your special friend Paul. How noble of you.

    All you need to do now is work Teh Mulllllltiplizer! in there, and you’re ready for the big time.

    1. It’s pretty hard to find a policy that doesn’t benefit one person to another person’s advantage.

      1. Yeah. And when your policy screws large numbers of people to benefit a few political supporters, it is called corruption.

        1. It’s called nearly every policy in the US John. The entire point behind Epstein’s ideas on the takings clause is based on this idea.

      2. Given that fundamental difficulty, maybe the breadth and nature of policies the government can pursue should be tightly controlled.

      3. It’s pretty hard to find a policy that doesn’t benefit one person to another person’s advantage.

        There’s your mulitplerzzzz. Everyone wins!

      4. It’s pretty hard to find a policy that doesn’t benefit one person to another person’s advantage.

        On would think this realization would make people more receptive to libertarianism and minarchism.

        One would, apparently, be disappointed.

  43. Is it over?

  44. I’m trying to avoid their blog searching robots. Nice job–now we’re on their radar.

    Any blog searching robots which may have stumbled across this particular blog over the weekend would have undoubtedly been reduced to smoking, useless hulks.

    “ERROR! ERROR! ANALYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYZE! BZZZZZTKABLOOEY!!!”

  45. What are your thoughts on the Pince-Nez versus the Monocle? Or should the monocle-wearer who requires correction for two eyes be forced to wear two monocles? That would take plenty of face scrunching.

    1. Thats why you get lasics in one eye.

      1. ah, cost savings and the ability to sport a monocle.

    2. How about Steampunk goggles? I think those look pretty spiffy.

      1. +1. Another bonus of goggles is that they don’t slide down. No face-scrunching, and no lines from where thine monocle doth rest.

      2. How about a steampunk monocle?

        http://www.etsy.com/listing/60…..ilver-with

        1. You know… most stuff on Etsy is unmitigated crap, but that is actually… very cool!

  46. Kofi Annan’s famous last words.

    The leaders of newly-liberated Libya have also talked of embracing tenets of Islamic law as they move forward in creating a democratic country.

    “The West has to get used to the fact that Islam will play a role in these societies,” Mr. Annan told a gathering of students, academics and diplomats at the University of Ottawa.

    “Islam doesn’t mean terrorism.”

    1. “”Islam doesn’t mean terrorism.”

      Er, I agree with this.

      You don’t?

      1. It doesn’t neccesarily mean terrorism. But it can mean terrorism. But ultimately, it is up to them what they want. The Islamists will discredit themselves. Just give them time.

      2. I’m not so much afraid of Islam as I am of those who use it as a tool of oppression.

        And I would say the same thing about any other code of belief.

        You should know what “Islamic law” means, especially to anyone who runs afoul of it.

        Sharia law is an ugly mofo.

        1. I don’t think all versions of “Islamic Law” equate to the versions of Sharia law we often hear about and I agree sound pretty odious.

          It’s an Islamic nation and it’s going to have a legal system heavily influenced by that. By itself that is not so awful.

          1. The United States Supreme Court Building has a depiction of Muhammad, honoring him as a lawgiver, on one of its friezes. Would you be ok with elements of Islamic/Sharia law influencing Supreme Court decisions?

            1. The United States Supreme Court Building has a depiction of Muhammad

              Holy crap, now we’re going to be attacked. They’ll burn down the court…

              1. Holy crap, now we’re going to be attacked. They’ll burn down the court…

                The usual suspects have already had their hissy fit about it.

          2. If they start interpreting their laws in a fundamentalist way, you’re gonna regret saying that.

            It could go right, but it can also go wrong. Very, very wrong.

            Those people who are concerned have a reason to be. The Middle East is not exactly known for being progressive or tolerant.

            1. The Benghazi courthouse flys the flag of Al-Qaeda.

              Things have already gone “very, very wrong”.

              1. Tell that to MNG.

                He’s still in “What’s the worst that could happen?” mode.

              2. Al-Qaeda even HAS a flag? I call shenanigans. I thought that was the whole point of AQ – that they’re a stateless uber-movement.

          3. Spoken by someone who is apparently not female…

      3. america’s muslim allies concur MNG.

  47. “”A series of scandals and crimes ? very few of them uncovered by the New York Police Department ? should leave no doubt that New York needs a strong, independent agency to investigate serious complaints about the city’s police””

    If people could police themselves, we wouldn’t need cops.

    Slim chance there will be greater oversight. The best NYC/NYS politicians could do after the Diallo shooting was create a very weak review board.

  48. It’s pretty hard to find a policy that doesn’t benefit one person to another person’s advantage.

    As we all know, you deem this to be the object of the exercise. You just like to pretend you’re putting your genteely beneficent thumb on the scales of justice.

  49. Or should the monocle-wearer who requires correction for two eyes be forced to wear two monocles?

    Don’t forget these.

  50. The entire point behind Epstein’s ideas on the takings clause is based on this idea.

    Stealing?

    1. Epstein makes the point that since nearly every government policy leaves someone in a worse relative position to someone else or sans the regulation that the takings clause should be thought to kick in.

      But yes, this complex part of reality is often labeled “stealing” by libertarians, which leads us right to where we started: “How nice it must be to live in a world of white hatted good guys and black hatted villians. Of course you’re one of the good guys so such a view just makes you feel that much more righteous.”

      1. So since every government policy has to benefit someone, how can we hold it against the Obama adminsitration for screwing large numbers of people to benefit a small number of cronys?

        MNG defending the indefensible.

      2. The only way to solve this “complex reality” is logically to make it more complex, anything else is simply impractical libertarian righteousness.

        I mean it has nothing to do winning votes from core voting groups, that is only the simplistic libertarian view, politicians have complex problems to solve that only they and people like myself understand.

        1. I mean it has nothing to do winning votes from core voting groups, that is only the simplistic libertarian view, politicians have complex problems to solve that only they and people like myself understand.

          Someone is spoofing MNG, right?

  51. Is it safe?

    They mostly come out on weekends. Mostly.

  52. Stay up, Neo.

  53. worse relative position to someone else or sans the regulation that the takings clause should be thought to kick in.

    English is not your native tongue, is it?

    1. Note the use of “sans“, which is a French word meaning “without.” A dead giveaway. Probably William Shatner, a known French-Canadian.

      1. French is the mother tongue in law. I think all trials and legal documents should have to be in Norman French. It would drastically cut the number of lawyers since most lawyers are not bright enough to learn the language. And it would make suing people that much harder. It is a win win.

        1. French is just gay Latin. Back to the beginning.

          1. Oyez! = Law french for ‘Yo!’

          2. Norman French. It is the language of the common law. And it loses its gayness by being half viking.

            1. Are you sure it’s not Bi?

            2. Gay Viking is still gay.

              Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    2. I think they were trying to say that regulations should be written in Comic Sans.

      1. regulations should be written in Comic Sans.

        They won’t just sound stupid on paper – they’ll look stupid too.

  54. They mostly come out on weekends. Mostly.

    I would post more often during the week if my boss didn’t expect me to actually earn my paycheck…fucker.

  55. if my boss didn’t expect me to actually earn my paycheck

    That MONSTER!

  56. While student debt has always been viewed a good thing-“good debt and a good investment, “she said-students are drowning in it. Surveys have shown that worries about money have led to an increase in anxiety and depression among college graduates faced with high debt and limited employment prospects. “Student debt is a political, economic and cultural issue,” she said.

    http://www.hcc.edu/news/saave-student-speakout

    1. Funny how so little of the outrage is directed at the guys who actually took the students’ money and gave them useless credentials and a head full of bullshit in return; just at the guys who lent it to them and will probably get shafted.

    2. This comment:

      According to Ken Haar, professor of education at Westfield State University, Massachusetts leads the nation in cuts to public higher education over the last five years. The attitude of legislators during hard economic times, he said, is that colleges and universities can take care of themselves, raising their own revenue by increasing tuition and fees.

      “By doing so,” he said, “they are essentially raising taxes on a very small segment of the population. They are raising taxes on you.”

      Nowhere, of course, does he point out that the universities act as the tax collectors.

  57. Until Reason posts something about the Cain accusations developments, here’s a start.

    The accusations sound bad and fairly credible. Republicans who like Cain need to stop playing the race card like hypocrites after accusing the Left of doing that all the time. They had a case against the media bias when no one was coming forward, but this changes things. Signed legal testimony by her ex-boyfriend and another friend substantiate her claims. Most would not perjure themselves for an ex.

    People usually don’t come forward with accusations like this unless they are crazy attention seekers (like the Justin Bieber girl seemingly) or they are true. Why another candidate would risk their campaign encouraging three or four people who have been connected to Cain in the past to perjure themselves, or why the individuals would perjure themselves out of political spite seems a little silly.

    The difference between Cain and Clinton is that Cain has to deal with the 24/7 internet news cycle. The favorable media censored news that would have hurt Clinton, at least until it became impossible. Cain does not have that luxury.

  58. John and MNG argued about something.

    https://reason.com/blog/2011/11…..nt_2618306

    1. Farts in a jar can spoil if you leave them in the sun or other direct light. Keep them in the dark and you will be rewarded with energy and huffing all year long.

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