Sacking the Courts
Perry and Gingrich recklessly disregard the importance of judicial review.
Why is Newt Gingrich running for president? Two words: "under God."
I exaggerate only slightly. "One of the major reasons that I am running for president," the former House speaker said at this month's Value Voters Summit, "is the 9th Circuit Court decision in 2002 that 'one nation under God,' in the Pledge of Allegiance, was unconstitutional. That decision to me had the same effect that the Dred Scott decision extending slavery to the whole country had on Abraham Lincoln."
Let us pass over Gingrich's comparison of himself to the Great Emancipator and only briefly contemplate whether excising two words from the Pledge of Allegiance would be an injustice on the order of systematically denying people's rights because of their skin color. Gingrich's main point is that the 9th Circuit's ruling (which was reversed long before he entered the race for the Republican nomination) illustrates the need to punish judges for making decisions he does not like. Such miscreants should be called before Congress to explain themselves, Gingrich says, and if they cannot do so satisfactorily, their courts should be abolished.
Although Gingrich's plan for confronting the judiciary is especially aggressive, it reflects familiar conservative complaints about "activist judges who tell us what is right and wrong and deny us the right to live as we see fit," as Texas Gov. Rick Perry, another Republican presidential contender, puts it in his 2010 book Fed Up! Critics like Gingrich and Perry recklessly disregard the importance of court-enforced constitutional limits, seeking to undermine judicial review in ways they themselves would come to regret.
Gingrich and Perry surely are right that judges can be wrong. It is difficult, for example, to reconcile the original understanding of the Constitution with the Supreme Court's decisions concerning abortion and the separation of church and state. In his book, Perry also complains about the Court's interference with the death penalty, its regulation of congressional districts, and its nullification of the Texas ban on sodomy. He worries that it might one day require legal recognition of gay marriages.
All these examples involve second-guessing decisions by legislators. But that does not mean Gingrich and Perry think the courts should automatically defer to the people's elected representatives.
Gingrich faults the Supreme Court for approving the use of eminent domain to transfer property from one private owner to another in the name of economic development. Perry criticizes it for encouraging Congress to believe its authority to regulate interstate commerce covers nearly any measure it decides to pass—such as the individual health insurance mandate that he and his fellow Republicans want the Court to overturn. Gingrich praises the Court for striking down campaign finance regulations that impinged on freedom of speech. Perry praises it for striking down local gun laws that impinged on the right to keep and bear arms.
In these and other cases, Gingrich and Perry, like many conservatives, expect the federal courts to enforce constitutional restrictions on legislative power. But how well can they do that job if, as Gingrich recommends, Congress responds by defunding them or simply by declaring its legislative acts unreviewable? How strong a bulwark of liberty will the judicial branch be if, as Perry suggests, a two-thirds majority of Congress can override the Supreme Court's decisions?
Despite all the dire warnings about judicial activism, the Court's recent record suggests it does not have much strength to spare. According to an Institute for Justice report released last month, the Court struck down just 0.65 percent of federal laws and just 0.045 percent of state laws enacted between 1954 and 2002. "We suffer not from rampant judicial activism," authors Clark Neily and Dick M. Carpenter conclude, "but rather from too little judicial engagement."
Perry complains that "democracy" is "trumped by nine unelected judges," while insisting that the Supreme Court "should be steadfast in its commitment to the preservation of liberty." But unrestrained democracy is inconsistent with liberty, which is why we have a Constitution.
Jacob Sullum is a senior editor at Reason and a nationally syndicated columnist.
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GOD
[Priestcraft]
MAN
[Property below]
________________
Woman
Children
Animals
Nature
Genesis 1:26-28
Newt is just following God's will. It's not "reckless regard," but faithful obedience to God's plan.
"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy."
U.S. Representative Christopher Shays, R-CT, (New York Times 3/23/05)
http://theocracywatch.org/
Courts have been held above reproach for too long.
Consider what just happened in a federal court in Texas. A Dallas business owner was involved in a civil dispute and paid millions of dollars to lawyers, and when he objected to additional fees after settling the case, they had a "friendly" judge seize all of his possessions, without any notice or hearing, and essentially ordered him under "house arrest" as an involuntary servant to the lawyers. The business owner has been under this "servant" order for 10 months and is prohibited from owning any possessions, prohibited from working, etc..
...and some quotes from the judge:
THE COURT: "I'm telling you don't scr-w with me. You are a fool, a fool, a fool, a fool to scr-w with a federal judge, and if you don't understand that, I can make you understand it. I have the force of the Navy, Army, Marines and Navy behind me."
THE COURT: "You realize that order is an order of the Court. So any failure to comply with that order is contempt, punishable by lots of dollars, punishable by possible jail, death"
http://www.lawinjustice.com has an explanation of this case.
Wow. Are you really citing this piece of trash article? The writer refers to his "friend Jeff Baron" - sounds like hearsay at best. Can't even provide links to the original District Court documents (which are public domain) and only references motions submitted by the defendant himself? Seems pretty biased to me.
I did a bit of research on this case because I call bullshit. Looks like this guy never paid any of the 20 law firms he hired over the course of this case and they all brought suit against him for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees he owed. The District Court judge determined that receivership statutes were relevant to the case. And the case got appealed to the 5th Circuit because there is no precedent for this type of seizure. So the 5th Circuit will decided the Constitutionality of this. And maybe it'll hit the Supreme Court.
What's your issue with this case? Sounds like the business owner was a sleaze bag who fucked over a lot of people. That's why courts have power to render civil judgments and enforce them through the executive branch when defendants like Jeffrey Baron have proven they have nothing but contempt for the law. Find a better defendant to bitch about.
Dear "free322"; thanks so much for posting an expose of judicial tyranny. It serves as a prime example of the same sort of "untouchable", accountable-to-no-one, arrogance and power-mania that judges and Congressmen throughout this Country have inflicted upon the American citizenry.
The great possibility that the defendant was dead-ass wrong to do what he did in no way mitigates the wrongfulness of the judge's behavior. There is absolutely no excuse for such creative, judicial activism with no precedent in place to back up such a ruling.
Both judge and defendant were out of line!
When judges at all levels begin to rule on a Constitutional basis, including findings that a Congressional law being challenged in a court case does NOT pass "Constitutional Muster", ergo no charges may be brought against anyone based upon it; then I might begin to develop some long-lost respect for our system of jurisprudence.
Rather than forcing their personal biases, ad-lib law, and political convictions on this country; their rulings MUST be constrained to Constitutional law.
What did Christianity tell people about their relations with the environment? ... Man named all the animals, thus establishing his dominance over them. God planned all of this explicitly for man's benefit and rule: no item in the physical creation had any purpose save to serve man's purposes. And, although man's body is made of clay, he is not simply part of nature: he is made in God's image.
Lynn Townsend White, Jr, "The Historical Roots of Our Ecologic Crisis", Science, Vol 155 (Number 3767), March 10, 1967, pp 1203?1207.
http://www.uvm.edu/~gflomenh/ENV-NGO-.....-White.pdf
What White Indian says:
What White Indian means:
+1
How about we disband all government institutions and have a system of private, competing courts to settle disputes between groups and individuals?
Artificial lines drawn upon Mother Earth to restrict the free movement of free people to provide their needs by foraging and hunting is the biggest government Land enTitlement programs.
Officer, am I free to gambol about plain and forest?
Spoof? Or is it back?
Government for me, but not for thee.
An idea: Would you like to see if it's possible for you to live your dream for a year, or maybe more? Would you really like to be able to live a truly primitive life, completely without benefit of modern society?
There is a huge piece of undeveloped land (other than less than a third of it that was 70% logged twenty years ago) in British Columbia, south of Murtle Lake, dozens of km from Stillwater, the nearest civilization. The land is the easy part, but it would take effort to get you there, and to make sure no one would be liable for your demise.
Interested? Or is this all just a political pose?
...not just marginal scraps rejected for intense invasion and occupation by the agricultural city-State.
(Although, as you say, it has already been raped, and the family of species destroyed 20 years ago that any forager could depend upon.)
Or is "freedom" just a political pose for you?
OK, so you don't really want to live it. Thanks for saving me the research and costs. Still, too bad. I thought you would at least consider going for it.
You plan to eat trees for forage? Too cool. I enjoy how you chose to ignore the hundreds of undisturbed acres that make up over 2/3 of the property. Even the logged third has reforested itself nicely from the 30% of trees which were left undisturbed in that area. Interestingly, the hunting is actually better in the logged area. The animals are larger, fatter, healthier and much more plentiful.
chose to ignore
I don't choose to ignore anything.
Non-State band and tribal gathering and hunting as a sociopolitical typology has been made impossible by the State you bootlick.
Some people have even tried what you're suggesting. They've been thrown in prison and their children taken by CPS.
I also do not ignore how you sound exactly like a neo-con, telling people to "Love It Or Leave It."
"It" being the lockdown State that outlawed gathering and hunting with big-government land regulation called privation property.
Libertarians in Dick Cheney drag are even uglier than that shriveled soul.
"Non-State band and tribal gathering and hunting as a sociopolitical typology has been made impossible by the State you bootlick."
Then what the devil are you babbling about??? You blather on and on about how wonderful it was 20,000 years ago and then admit that you can't live that way. You're like some old geezer whining about how great is was when they grew up and how terrible it is now and if we could only go back to 1920 then everything would be wonderful again and all these issues that led us to where we are today would magically disappear. Well, you can't so get over it. Why don't you try making a practical, useful suggestion for a change instead of just whining like a 2 year old that can't get their way?
He doesn't really want it. I tried. He wouldn't even consider it. He just got angrier. Pitiable, really.
I also do not ignore how you sound exactly like a neo-con, telling people to "Love It Or Leave It."
Please point out to me where I said "love it or leave it," or even implied it. I offered to try to give you a chance to do something I thought you would love. You declined. Sorry for not having an entire continent for you to gambol about on. We'll count that as my shortfall.
Sorry for not having an entire continent for you to gambol about on. We'll count that as my shortfall.
Fine, oh statist bootlicker, in love with the big-government enTITLEment lockdown on the Land.
Don't feed the troll
Don't feed the troll discuss real freedom and real deregulation.
I'd even pay to send him out there for a year.
He seeks only to annoy. The closest thing he finds to joy is pissing off others. Notice the stunts are just for attention. When drawn anywhere near discussion of his ideas or how to implement them, he rages.
Tribal chief, am I free to grab that chunk of venision out of White Indian's hand?
He's already stuffed himself like a pig and he didn't do a a damn thing to help us hunt the deer. He just sits around on his fat ass all day yapping about "gamboling"
Chief, you shouldn't be practicing aggression by enforcing his totally abstract and artibtary notion of property by claiming he "owns" that chunk of venison in his hand.
While I am probably over-estimating your intelligence and intellectual honesty to evaluate simple concepts, I still will refer you to attorney-at-law Jeff Vail's essay on the difference between legitimate property and illegitimate property, as follows:
The abstract notion of ownership serves as the single, greatest perpetuator of hierarchy. When one steps back and examines the notion of "owning" something, the abstraction becomes readily apparent. Ownership represents nothing more than a power-relationship?the ability to control. The tribal institution of "Ownership by use" on the other hand, suggests simply that one can only "own" those things that they put to immediate, direct and personal use to meet basic needs?and not more. A society crosses the memetic Rubicon when it accepts the abstraction that ownership can extend beyond the exclusive needs of one individual for survival. (Read Jason Godesky on Ownership*) Abstract ownership begins when society accepts a claim of symbolic control of something without the requirement of immediate, direct and personal use. Hierarchy, at any level, requires this excess, abstract ownership?it represents the symbolic capital that forms the foundation of all stratification. In the simplest terms, in order to destroy the engine of hierarchy, we must destroy the mechanism of ownership.
~Jeff Vail
"A Theory of Power" Online
March 09, 2005
http://www.jeffvail.net/2005/0.....nline.html
* The theft of material goods leaves us feeling wronged because it robs us of our ability to use a given resource. If someone broke in and took my computer, I would feel wronged, because I could no longer use my computer. It is not that my "right to ownership" has been violated that bothers me; it is the violation of my "right to use."
Such a distinction may seem like splitting hairs at first, but there are important?if subtle?implications. One is that the "right to property" is devalued from the realm of sacred rights, to mere practicality.
The Right to Property
by Jason Godesky | 18 July 2005
http://rewild.info/anthropik/2.....-property/
If you need something to to live - food, shelter, clothing, tools, then it is yours, Gilbert.
Humans have respected such property for thousands of years before civilization.
Capitalism goes beyond that sort of legitimate ownership to an abstract ownership of vast resources, enforced by State aggression.
The 1% want to be able to own 40% of the world's wealth. They don't need near that much to get by.
That's the bait-and-switch of libertarianism:
1. We need property to survive (true) so...
2. I want to own half the world and charge the rest of the suckers rent. (greed.)
1% own 40% of the wealth.
10% own 85% of the wealth.
Do they need that to survive?
Survival IS the moral justification of property.
So justify needing that much property.
"If you need something to to live - food, shelter, clothing, tools, then it is yours, Gilbert."
Says you.
ALL concepts of property are an artificial construct - it is not a law of nature.
The bear will happily steal the kill made by wolves whenever it can.
You aren't the least bit capable of proving that YOUR preferred artificial construct of property is one iota more valid in any way than the one you keep screeching about.
And that's simply all there is to it.
"Consume according to your needs," says he. Who then decides what he needs? A thousand acres aren't enough, all land should be his. Sound familiar?
He has no clue what it is to live on his own dime, much less survive by his own wits.
Sound familiar? Libertarians, like Fundamentalist Christians comparing everything to Satan, MUST compare everything to their communism caricature.
And you have to lie. No, not all land should be mine.
That's the way YOU think.
And you have NOT CLUE how to live in a way that doesn't degrade the environment. Now that's stupid.
Can I please have your home address so I can come and get all that stuff like your computer that you don't own and don't need to survive? If what you say is true then you won't miss it.
Amazing how libertarians are so willing to throw away their principles to teach people lessons.
LOL
Libertarian Dipshit. Can't read, can you?
Read Jeff Vail's A Theory of Power to explain between legitimate and illegitimate property. I've posted on Reason dozens of times.
Libertarians must need obfuscate the two.
"Read Jeff Vail's A Theory of Power to explain between legitimate and illegitimate property"
Ha! Ha! Ha!
Citing someone else's artificial construct as support for your artificial construct doesn't make it any less of an artificial construct.
An artificial construct of property that you will NEVER be the least bit capable of proving is one iota more valid in any way than the one you're screeching about.
Mine's not artificial.
Yours is artificial. And falling apart, even now.
My ideas on property are backed up by several 100,000 of years of empirical data.
"Mine's not artificial."
You are completely incapable of proving it.
"My ideas on property are backed up by several 100,000 of years of empirical data."
You don't have one shred of "empirical data" that proves your artificial costruct of property is in any way more valid than the one you screech about.
So justify needing that computer to survive. Unless you weight 1000 pounds and can't fit through the door so you need it to order pizza, then give it up baby. I'll present it to some primative tribesman and he can use it to club squirrels or something useful. plumber san francisco
I can read very well. You just have nothing useful to say. How is my pointing out the fallacy of your so called argument throwing away my principles? I'm just following your argument to it's logical conclusion. You said,
"Do they need that to survive?
Survival IS the moral justification of property.
So justify needing that much property."
So justify needing that computer to survive. Unless you weight 1000 pounds and can't fit through the door so you need it to order pizza, then give it up baby. I'll present it to some primative tribesman and he can use it to club squirrels or something useful.
Jeff Vail is a litigation attorney and you're using him to define legitimate and illegitimate property? At least you've progressed from trolling to comedy.
No, you are not. You are under arrest for violating the Woodlands and Prairie Enclosure Act of ca. 8000 BCE, the Gamboling Zone Designation Act, the Caucasian Native American Registration Act, and the Thou Shalt Not Be An Idiot Act.
Come along quietly. Please.
private, competing courts to settle disputes
Had it. Gayanashagowa or the Great Law of Peace. Lasted 1000 years until...
Capitalism destroyed it.
Although some of the Indian's ideas were taken, making America a better place, for a while, than hyper-civilized Europe.
Indian Givers: How the Indians of the Americas Transformed the World
by Jack Weatherford
Jack Weatherford is a professor of anthropology at Macalester College in Minnesota. He is a specialist in tribal peoples and the author of Indian Givers, Native Roots, Savages and Civilization and The History of Money.
I've got a pickle stuck in my cunt!
The Statists are my biggest detractors. White Indian counts coup upon them by pulling down their masquerade of non-aggression. That "principle" is a mere debate convenience to men who speak with forked tongue.
NON-STATE AND STATE SOCIETIES?
http://faculty.smu.edu/rkemper.....ieties.pdf
Wrong answer. Try this.
http://mises.org/daily/2429
Mises is a consummate supporter of civilization -- the agricultural city-STATE.
A civilization without a State is as impossible and fantastical as an animated corpse.
Mises' non-state civilization is the libertarian zombie.
Fun to talk about. Great for novels. Wonderful fantasy material.
Never will see one. Guaranteed.
Libertarian Statists hold two contradictory propositions simultaneously, as follows:
? The agricultural city-STATE (civilization) is evil.
? The AGRICULTURAL CITY-state (CIVILIZATION) is good.
Their magic tool is the blank-out. ~Ayn Rand
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/evasion.html
- Terrible Ted
Gag me with excessive whitespace.
I'll gag you with somethin'.
I prefer "Wang Dang, Sweet Poon-Tang"
How about we disband all government institutions and have a system of private, competing courts to settle disputes between groups and individuals?
Enjoy the civil war.
I don't care about Gingrich's hyperbole here so much as about the fact that he would be as Big Government as Barack Obama, if not more.
Bingo!
Newt is an example of what I think of high IQ. Too often, it appears to be the capability to go even more spectacularly wrong.
"Newt is an example of what I think of high IQ."
Why do you think Newt has a high IQ? What is his IQ? What were his SAT scores? He studied history....he has a PhD in history for Christ sake!
How's that working out for you? Sore yet?
Gingrich = big government?
Yes.
More than BO?
No way. Newt wouldn't try to deliberately collapse the economy in order to spark a revolution and he wouldn't organize bands of thugs and lowlifes to help him take over and establish a dictatorship.
And I submit that you do not go too far enough. Gingrich thinks so highly of his own intelligence that he thinks he can find smart government solutions to every conceivable problem, and not just the ones that benefit low income constituents (or line cronies's pockets) but all facets of your life.
Gingrich thinks so highly of his own intelligence that he thinks he can find smart government solutions to every conceivable problem...
No argument, but still not as bad as promoting civil unrest and violence, and, yes, that is what Obama is trying for.
"try to deliberately collapse the economy in order to spark a revolution"
OK, then.
From Article III of the Constitution: "In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make."
Congress does have the power to regulate the Supreme Court's appellate jurisdiction. That's where Ron Paul got his Constitutional authorization for the Sanctity of Life Act and the We the People Act.
^^This^^
For some reason I keep forgetting this handy item.
Don't worry. I have enough useless info to go around.
Also, there is nothing in the Constitution itself that says that the Surpreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution.
The court itself dreamed that up in Marbury vs Madision.
^^This too^^
^^This^^ And the Congress has the power of impeachment. They could theoretically impeach a Supreme Court for giving a decision it didn't agree with. Robed overlord worshipers would have a fit. But it would be completely Constitutional.
Impeach?? Seriously who in the congress is going to start any movement towards impeaching a SC judge or the president. Most of the congress has itself violated the US constitution so egregiously that they themselves shouldn't even be in office, and what? they're going to go after someone else for doing so?
As I recall, the House impeached three judges for illegal and oppressive decisions - once around 1803 (unfair trial), once in 1830 (unfair trial, denial of jury trial) and once in 1905 (ditto). The Senate acquitted the judges in each case. So in practice, this remedy isn't as good as it's cut out to be. But it could be revived.
I'm all for the review of judicial precedent, but rolling back M vs M would be on the extreme side. Besides which, it's not going to happen without a full blown revolution. M vs M has had an impact on almost all case law. Anything that has gone to the Supreme Court since that point pretty much depends on that case (outside of the other stuff involving ambassadors)
Now Congress should exercise its power to remove Justices on occasion, just for shits and giggles.
Damn straight they should. I would be fine if they impeached ten or twenty judges a year just to let those old bastards know who is really in charge.
"The court itself dreamed that up in Marbury vs Madision.
reply to this "
And a damn good thing they did too. I don't really see what good the constitution is if there is no mechanism besides just trusting the legislature to do the right thing to get rid of unconstitutional laws.
Fair point. I wouldn't roll back MvM. Overturning Wickard v. Filburn would be nice, but that's original jurisdiction, so Congress can't do that.
There seem to be a number of people here claiming that Marbury v. Madison was judicial excess and we'd all be better off if it was recognized as unconstitutional and we could just let Congress decide everything. Do you really want those morons to have even more power?
Also, who gives a fuck about the constitutionality of particular acts of Congress? Isn't the whole point of libertarianism to make ethical considerations based on a set of logical precepts (i.e. individual rights)? Why are you so concerned w/ what a 200 year old piece of paper says when pieces of it are obviously inconsistent w/ your core principles?
I say this all the time. I care about liberty...period. Where the constitution supports it, I support the constitution, but I don't give a fig for it just because it's "zomg!e1eventy!!the Constitution!" In places where the constitution restricts liberty, I'm against the constitution.
What crap. The courts, for logistical reasons alone, cannot hear a large number of cases involving a majority of laws even if every law were to be challenged. Most laws are mundane and don't entail governmental power grabs. A tiny number of "reviewed" laws can result in a colossal expansion of governmental power and the way the judiciary has been operating has been to establish legal precedent to bolster unconstitutional power grabs by all of the branches. The Institute for Justice is simply trying to encourage further transference of policy making authority to the judiciary from the other branches.
The problem for conservatives is that the courts just make shit up. Despite the propaganda of the ACLU and other groups advocating the supremacy of the judiciary, it is entirely within the constitutional authority of the legislative branch to impeach and remove judges and justices based solely on any opinions they issue which clearly contradict the Constitution or which demonstrate a deliberate disregard for the Constitutional limits on judicial authority. houston plumber
The problem is that Congressmen, Senators, Judges, and Presidents have all lost all respect and allegiance to the Constitution.
Why should I care when an activist judge's Unconstitutional ruling is overridden by an Unconstitutional act of Congress?
It won't be "restored," anymore than freedom to the Ghost Dancers was restored.
The State that you bootlick to "protect your property rights" is externally invasive. We found out. And internally repressive. Now you're finding out.
Wovoka has spoken.
Too bad there are not real Anarchists out there. They are just socialists who can't spell socialist.
Too bad there are not real Libertarians (like White Indian, for real liberty) out there. They are just unprincipled Libertarian Statists who can't spell Statist (among other grammatical errors.)
"I know you are but what am I?"
Let's dissolve the state and all else except Law of Tooth and Claw so we can sneak into this bitches TeePee at night and skin him alive.
It's nature's way! Plus, his tribe? many pussies.
"Red in Tooth and Claw" is a political phrase, just as "Survival of the Fittest" is, to justify capitalism.
Quit misrepresenting nature and evolution, please.
Ever read Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution is a book by Peter Kropotkin?
"Perry complains that "democracy" is "trumped by nine unelected judges"
I thought he was a republican.
I guess he's only a Republican.
Trolling is too thick to bother to comment.
LOL
Surely you're being sarcasmic.
Trolling is too thick to bother to comment.
That's his goal. He won't embrace where we supposedly agree. He won't discuss where we disagree. He won't address the tragedy of the commons. He won't acknowledge undisturbed lands. He won't even go live his own stated dream on my dime. He seeks only to annoy.
I wish the fine people at Reason would find a way to allow us to ignore certain individuals.
THEY COULD BLOCK THE IP ADDRESS
HINT HINT
I wish the fine people at Reason would find a way to allow us to ignore certain individuals talk about deregulation and freedom.
LOLOLOLOL
Only at Reason.
The Victory of the Commons
Nobel Prize-winning economist Elinor Ostrom proved that people can?and do?work together to manage commonly-held resources without degrading them.
by Jay Walljasper
posted Oct 27, 2009
http://www.yesmagazine.org/new.....he-commons
It's you who avoid discussing the victory of the commons.
Because the commons is NOT a tragedy.
One minute you say: "other than less than a third of it that was 70% logged twenty years ago."
Then you dare call that "undisturbed lands."
That's disturbing.
Anyway, why should any land be under agricultural city-State lockdown, you statist bootlicker?
economist ... proved
Your argument fails.
libertarian economist ... proved
Libertarianism fails.
See how easy this trite shit is?
Despite all the dire warnings about judicial activism, the Court's recent record suggests it does not have much strength to spare. According to an Institute for Justice report released last month, the Court struck down just 0.65 percent of federal laws and just 0.045 percent of state laws enacted between 1954 and 2002. "We suffer not from rampant judicial activism," authors Clark Neily and Dick M. Carpenter conclude, "but rather from too little judicial engagement."
What crap. The courts, for logistical reasons alone, cannot hear a large number of cases involving a majority of laws even if every law were to be challenged. Most laws are mundane and don't entail governmental power grabs. A tiny number of "reviewed" laws can result in a colossal expansion of governmental power and the way the judiciary has been operating has been to establish legal precedent to bolster unconstitutional power grabs by all of the branches. The Institute for Justice is simply trying to encourage further transference of policy making authority to the judiciary from the other branches.
The problem for conservatives is that the courts just make shit up. Despite the propaganda of the ACLU and other groups advocating the supremacy of the judiciary, it is entirely within the constitutional authority of the legislative branch to impeach and remove judges and justices based solely on any opinions they issue which clearly contradict the Constitution or which demonstrate a deliberate disregard for the Constitutional limits on judicial authority.
Policy should be made by the legislative and executive branches within their respective spheres of legitimacy, never by the judiciary and double-never for controversial issues which don't involve Constitutional rights.
Unfortunately, the members of all the three branches have been winking at each other for half a century and have let the judiciary implement policies that they know the public abhors with the understanding that judges and justices are largely immune from public backlash. Newt and Perry are just pandering. I doubt either would change business-as-usual for the courts.
It's called 'I'm running for President, and I'm going to say shit that I think will get me elected'.
This is a horseshit article. It is absolutely Congress' job to oversea the courts. And judges are not kings. Fuck them. If they don't like being hauled before the elected body to explain their decisions too bad. Congress has the impeachment power for a reason. There is nothing wrong in principle with the Congress impeaching judges who they feel are not following the Constitution. Of course the devil is in the details. You can certainly object to specific cases but not to the existence of the power.
There is nothing wrong in principle with the Congress impeaching judges who they feel are not following the Constitution
I thought the idea was that judges should be outside of the usual political games, and shouldn't have to fear losing their positions if someone doesn't like their decisions.
That is not the idea at all. They are somewhat outside the usual political games because it is hard to impeach them. But the Constitution gives Congress the power to advise and consent on judges' appointments, impeach judges for very ambiguous causes, and as pointed out above, restrict the Courts' jurisdiction. It is a balance of power between the three branches and all power disseminates from the mother branch Congress. Courts, like the President, are answerable to Congress.
Separation of powers has been a failure.
When I read the Constitution it appears to me that the duty of the Judicial branch is to block the other two from stepping beyond their explicitly defined powers.
But they have failed in this duty.
the Court struck down just 0.65 percent of federal laws and just 0.045 percent of state laws enacted between 1954 and 2002
That's a pathetic joke. It should be closer to 20%. Even 50%. Heck, I'd be happy with 90%.
Madison failed.
No he didn't. The people failed. You think 20% of the laws are unconstitutional. Well maybe you are right. The elected reps of this country disagree. If the people don't like that, they need to get new reps. And if they are unwilling to do that, that is their fault.
Libertarians are not immune to the temptations of dictatorship. Sorry, but just because it is your guy making rules you like but answerable to no one doesn't make it any more right.
If the people don't like that, they need to get new reps.
The problem with that is that, as a general rule, people who seek political office are sacks of shit.
People do not seek power so they can dismantle it. They seek power so they can use it and expand it.
People who call themselves "lawmakers" do not repeal legislation. They amend or write new legislation, but except for extreme circumstances, repeal is off the table.
It's as if there's an unwritten rule that if they don't repeal what others write, then others won't repeal what they write.
There is no incentive to repeal bad legislation. None at all. And that is where Madison failed. He thought that the Judiciary would, but he was wrong.
I do have a solution. Not that it would ever happen.
It's from Heinlein's The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
Divide the legislature into two houses. One passes legislation with a two thirds majority, the other repeals legislation with a one third minority. This way people run for office not for what they will do, but for what they will undo.
Presto! An incentive to repeal bad legislation.
Heinlein...Presto!
A civilization without a State is as impossible and fantastical as an animated corpse.
A non-state civilization is the libertarian zombie.
Fun to talk about. Great for science fiction novels. Wonderful fantasy material.
Never will see one. Guaranteed.
but that's the point to of the Constitution John, to limit the government whether the elected reps and the people disagree or not. It's not supposed to be majority rule.
No it isn't. But it is not rule by roved over lord either. That is is why it takes 2/3rds of the Senate to convict. The people have a vote via Congress. It just has to be a big majority and a situation where the people are really pissed off.
You think 20% of the laws are unconstitutional. ... The elected reps of this country disagree.
You are presuming honesty.
[Agriculture] has been a failure. Unless you like lots of government.
Agriculture creates government. ~Richard Manning, Against the Grain, p.73
Well, they started seriously failing in this duty when Roosevelt threatened to pack the Supreme Court if they didn't go along with his agenda. Good thing those damn obstructionist justices were made responsive to the democratic will of the people!
Lol. Nice point. Though the Supreme Court made terrible decisions prior to the court packing scheme...
"It is absolutely Congress' job to oversea the courts."
Where to exactly?
"There is nothing wrong in principle with the Congress impeaching judges who they feel are not following the Constitution."
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moar correctly - "who they can [PROVE] & {CONVICT]..." since impeachment is charging while conviction is a senate trial.
Sure it is a trial. But there are no standards of what amounts to "high crime and misdemeanor". That is a political question left to the Congress. And if Congress decides via the House and 2/3rds of the Senate that something is a "high crime or misdemeanor", then it is.
That would be a lot like saying that if 5 of 9 Supreme Court justices says that the constitution means such-and-such, then it is. And if that were true, there would be no cause of concern about judicial usurpation, because it would all be constitutional by definition.
Someone gets the final word, and since we are representative republic, it is the Congress who gets it.
So if they say black is white and up is down, does that make it so?
Yes it is true that they get the last word, but it is also true that they can often be dead wrong.
Why should some specific govt body have the final word? That would completely bollix up the system of separation of power.
"Each branch of government has different powers and are checks on each other, but one branch of government has the final word on what powers each branch possesses!"
We have that attitude with the courts - and that hasn't been working well. Replace the courts with Congress and it's the same problem.
Let them each check each other. Let the courts do their thing to check Congress, and if Congress doesn't like it, it can use impeachment and jurisiction-control. Taking jurisdiction from the feds means giving it to state courts, so Congress needs to be sure of itself before stripping federal jurisdiction. Ideally, this power would only rarely be exercised.
But if Congress gets the idea that it can break down all resistance from the courts, then instead of a check judicial imperialism, Congress itself becomes imperialistic.
Incentives matter, and different branches have no incentive to check each other. In fact it is quote the opposite. Congress routinely delegates its power to the Executive. What incentive does the president have to block legislation that gives him more power?
Parties do. So one party may try to repeal another party's legislation because they have an incentive to please the party base, but it's all a show anyway.
The Judiciary is supposed to be non-partisan. This way they have no incentive to repeal another party's legislation. They answer to no one.
Therefor it is no surprise that they block less than one percent of it.
The Executive has no incentive to block the Legislative, the Judiciary has no incentive to block either, and unless the Judiciary gets all uppity and does their job (judging legislation against the Constitution and block legislation that fails the test) Congress has no incentive to check it. When the Judiciary last got all uppity the president threatened to pack the court.
Now they all just get along to go along.
"Politician=A lawyer who thinks The Law is whatever they say it is."
Oh and this white Indian boob needs to get their dumb ass off the computer and go like, stalk moose with a Swiss army knife or something. Spend some time in nature, hopefully until hypothermia does it's job.
More like play tag with some bear cubs while the mama bear is around.
I like that. Very nice.
Funny how the only politicians out there who are not sacks of shit have something in common: none of them are lawyers.
Is Al Franken a lawyer?
Do you understand logical implication?
It's folly to think that judges who are appointed by those who have power by pandering to what always will be the idiot majority will somehow be different than those who have appointed them, with the statistical random exceptions.
As for those who are doing the appointing they will continue to violate liberty as long as they are no repercussions for their actions, and a good question is are their actions not continually acts of aggression against us that we need to defend ourselves against, or is non-aggression really another way of saying pacifism?
"Perry and Gingrich recklessly disregard the importance of judicial review."
Just like our current dickwad and many previous dickwads.
But most Americans don't care as long as they have an iphone and "Dancing With The Stars" is on television.
As Chief Justice Hughes said during the FDR years, "The Constitution is what we say it is." That should scare any Constitution-first American. And it's been that way--and on steroids--ever since. Constitutional Supremacy has given way to Judicial Supremacy, and that should be painfully clear to all. As for properly reigning in a runaway, politically-driiven Judiciary, the answer is to reform the manner in which judges are selected, removed and their "rulings" overturned. For starters, repeal the 17th Amendment to give States more direct influence over appointments. The other solution is to establish an impartial state-federal mechanism to provide this level of oversight. Such a mechanism was championed by Thomas Jefferson championed who prophetically warned us about a judicial oligarchy slowly undermining the Constitution. But, you're right, we shouldn't leave it to a super majority of craven congresspersons to overrule grossly errant rulings. Another way to checkmate flawed rulings is for the States to assert their constitutional 10th Amendment authority to nullify. But, to somehow say that SCOTUS and the judiciary system has adhered to the principle of constitutional supremacy is terrily misguided.
It scares me that anyone refers to themselves as a "Constitution-first American". You should be ruled by principles, not a piece of paper. Which, incidentally, held in its original language that African-Americans are 3/5 of a person. Hardly seems like the Constitution really had any dedication to the principles of individual rights.
And your wrong about the way to fix the problems. There is one solution and one solution only. That's to burn the whole edifice of modern government to the ground and start over with a political contract which takes individual rights seriously. And when that fails, to start the whole process over again.
Can you think of a historical example where "burn[ing] the whole edifice of modern government to the ground" led to a more freedom-loving society?
Actually there is another very simple solution that doesn't require burning down anything. It's the very same solution used to correct the 3/5 of a person issue. It's called an amendment. The same solution applies to the discussion at hand. If a law is declared unconstitutional or the government needs a power outside constitutional limits then they should amend the constitution. The problem is that this since this would require an open discussion and majority agreement among the states, that isn't what the politicians want. They just want to vote amongst themselves without "we the people" getting in the way.
Another comment thread covered in White Indian's pixelated diarrhea.
What's it gonna take, H & R?
Yes, ban me. Because I'm more consistent in freedom and non-aggression that libertarians who use the concepts as mere debate conveniences.
White Indian counts coup on your intellectual evasions.
~White Indian
It's going to take not responding to him for a week or two. That's all. Why is that so difficult?
Gingrich is no more reckless than Thomas Jefferson. Newt promotes following Jefferson's presidential precedent in removing judges or holding them accountable. It is constitutionally sound as a presidential power.
Newt is responding with principles, not simply attacking what "he doesn't like." His position is historically accurate and currently valid.
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Gingrich is dead right - there are (and always have been) renegade judges who should be bypassed, if not shot outright with the nearest gun. Making judges immune to the will of the people hardly is something a democracy would or should be doing. As for the "Great Emancipator", he is nowadays being viewed as a mass murderer and dictator
who ruled under a totally fraudulent
contention that his union of remaining states was "under attack." And I never saw an emancipator promise, as Lincoln did in his first inaugural, that he would guarantee the existence of slavery "forever" via amendment. Nor did his big joke (the "Emancipation Proclamation") actually free anybody.
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