California's U.S. Attorneys Think It's Impossible to Make Money While Helping Patients
Today California's four U.S. attorneys fleshed out their "coordinated crackdown" on medical marijuana suppliers, saying "dozens of letters have been sent over the past few days to the owners and lienholders of properties where commercial marijuana stores and grows are located." According to the Associated Press, those letters threaten the property owners with forfeiture and prosecution if they do not close down within 45 days. Contrary to explicit assurances from President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, the U.S. attorneys continue to insist that the forbearance promised by this administration applies only to patients, meaning that suppliers are fair game even if they comply with state law. But their press release provides some clues about how they are likely to select their targets. In describing the operations that offend them, they use the descriptor commercial eight times and refer to profit nine times (not counting two mentions of money and one of moneymaking). Demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of capitalism, not to mention the way that Americans actually obtain medicine and health care, they insist that turning a profit is inconsistent with helping patients:
Benjamin B. Wagner, the United States Attorney for the Eastern District of California, stated: "Large commercial operations cloak their moneymaking activities in the guise of helping sick people when in fact they are helping themselves….
Laura E. Duffy, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of California, commented: "The California marijuana industry is not about providing medicine to the sick. It's a pervasive for-profit industry…"
I guess doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and drugstores also "cloak their moneymaking activities in the guise of helping sick people when in fact they are helping themselves." Didn't Adam Smith have something to say about that?
Reading between the lines, medical marijuana suppliers who want to avoid forfeiture and prosecution should do their best to avoid making any money. They also should stay as small as possible, since large and huge make four and three pejorative appearances, respectively, in the press release. And the U.S. attorneys are sticklers for arbitrary buffer zones around "schools and other locations where children congregate," so it's best to stay at least 1,000 feet from those. Still, there are no guarantees. While some medical marijuana operations are more objectionable than others, Melinda Haag, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California reminds us that "none are immune from action by the federal government."
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You can't escape the pressures of Big Cartel, I guess.
they insist that turning a profit is inconsistent with helping patients:
This, of course, is straight out of the ObamaCare playbook, with its restrictions on the margins of insurers.
I think what we are seeing here is a beta test of the lefty/prog/administration's plans for Phase 2 of ObamaCare: We tried, but there are still vestiges of capitalism in health care, so we're just kicking down the doors and taking over.
It's not just turning a profit that bothers them. It bothers them even that people are paid so much for their labor in health care. They would prefer all health care workers to be volunteers, or conscripts.
They seem to have no problem with big pharma making huge wads of cash. In fact, how much of this is at the behest of big pharma? Along with Big Law Enforcement....
I'm sure the people in the Obama admin. in gen'l think that, they just don't have the handle on those businesses that they do on med mj. But they'd like to.
The ironic thing is that if they let the market operate, without restrictive licensing of medical schools by the AMA, etc., costs and profits would be lower. The policies they favor set up the results they deplore.
Yep. The free market is a profit MINIMIZING entity. That falls straight out of the math you learn on your first day of econ 101.
Not in my classes
Mine neither.
Nor me.
That's paternalisticly intrinsic.
Worse, it's profitable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtYnoOpLYAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ
Mikey Moore is getting in touch with his inner jong il.
The dealer that sold me my car. He wasn't getting me a product I needed, he was cloaking his money making activities. And the grocery store I use, I bet they are cloaking their quest for profit in the guise of providing life giving food. Profit, oh the evul.
oh, and Linda Haag ? seriously ? Hag ?
Hog?
You really should report your car dealer and grocery store to Teh Authoriteez, Mainer.
I'm super serial.
Finally the motive behind all of these raids is revealed. The dispensaries that are actually able to generate enough revenue to fund their operation are making the government look bad by comparison. They must be stopped!
I've taken to calling this "Obama's War on Cancer Patients." It's been successful in prodding several of my lefty friends to whinge at me on Facebook about how I'm being unfair to The One, and that it's all Reagan's fault.
I blame Bush
Don't be silly. It was Sarah Palin's Child-Eating Death Cult.
You also should start claiming in your post about how Bocephus's Hitler quote about Obama is obviously because he's a big pot smoker disappointed in this crackdowns. Hank Jr does sing about his liking for weed in enough of his songs.
Don't forget those of us with MS either. Marijuana is the only thing that relieves my muscle spasms.
None of you understand the Obama-fu going on here. It's clear that Obama supports medical marijuana and probably even recreational decrim, but he doesn't feel he has the political capital to come out publicly for it. Hence, he has ordered an unpopular crackdown in order to fire up the base and raise his capital for a pro-pot agenda. QED
Don't forget that the Republicans won't let him do all these wonderful things!
Putrid bullshit not even worth the pixels forming it on my screen. Just jump the shark and send the Army to shut down all the dispensaries already, and be done with it. Tyranny is tyranny.
OT: http://www.tyznik.com/graphic/currency/
What do you guys think of that design, and the current one, for dollars?
Honetly not too bad. However, I'm ole skool and definitely prefer good ole greenbacks.
At the end of the day, I could give a fuck as long as it's not hyperinflated to the point I need a wheelbarrow to carry enough to be useful, and the pop machines at work take it...
It's tolerable, but the pre-21st-century-redesign dollar designs are still my favorite. Ornate, grand styles are much better, anyway.
Yeah, unless its backed by gold*, I dont think the design matters that much.
*or whatever.
No good. Doesn't have Obama's face on at least one.
That shitty redesign project that British dude organized a while ago actually had shitloads of submissions that most prominently features FDR and Obama. Sometimes, they were the only two, with other denominations not featuring people on them at all.
I just couldn't take them seriously. At all.
And uber-colorful, Euro-style designs are awful. If we're going to have to tolerate a singly currency, it'd better be good-looking.
Got a favorite design (not just dollars)?
*featured
*single
o_o
Wasn't there originally a law against putting faces on American currency? Exactly to discourage the kind of Kimjongilia that's affected our political system over the past century. I think a redesign should get people off of bills / coins. (Unless it's a private currency).
Yeah. The original coinage (all the way up to the gold eagle) simply featured liberty (its personification)
Let's be more European -- the Euro notes have pictures of imaginary buildings. Maybe we could have imaginary people on ours?
I vote for Batman.
What's with the Araby script at the top left?
I assume Wagner and Duffy are volunteers and not receiving a paycheck?
Oh, I'm sure that if being a petty tyrant didn't pay they'd do it for free.
The thing is, when I try to get my left leaning friends to understand that is a serious and legitimate point (they after all, also expect to be paid for the work they do) their argument basically boils down to, "don't be a smart ass, that's different" They can't explain exactly why it's different, it just is.
Yet where is the outrage from the legions of loyal Obamabots? When John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzalez were pulling this shit under Bush the lefties (and especially the lefty media) were screaming "Fascists!".
Now they are passively accepting of it, even though this ass clown promised up and down to leave MM regulation to the states.
Does he think this will somehow win him re-election with the law-and-order crowd? Like all of his other turncoat maneuvers he's playing both sides against the middle -- and rapidly running out of middle.
"he's playing both sides against the middle -- and rapidly running out of middle"
Possibly another example that he's actually not as clever as he thinks he is ?
Well, interestingly enough, I must assume his worshipers must be getting "here's another thing he lied about" fatigue, because I sure am and I expected him to do that.
At this point, he's probably worn them down so much they no longer care at all what he does, and will just routinely pull the lever for him in 2012 like the good little mindless sheep they are.
Partisans are so fucking pathetic. I used to think that the US had done a good job of getting rid of a lot of race/country tribalism, but it just got transferred to politics.
A friend of mine just posted a picture of an Obama 2012 bumper sticker on google+ and mentioned how excited she was to see it.
Baaaaahhhhh
Yeah, I'm expecting that. These people are so stupid, sheep-like, and delusional, that it was probably foolish to ever think that he would lose a lot of them.
They're not voting for Obama. They're voting for TEAM BLUE. They're voting for their identity; their tribal affiliation. Do fans of sports teams that continuously lose change who they root for? No, they often root harder (looking at you, Seahawks fans).
This is just the political version of that.
Voting their identity makes sense to me, because logic sure hasn't helped me understand hey people vote they wayt hey do.
Reminds of the support Clinton got from women after the Lewinski affair. The attitude seemed to be, yes he's a scumbag, but he's OUR scumbag.
To take the sports team analogy further, think of when a bad team has a shitty quarterback. Do most fans call for the quarterback to be traded/fired and a new one brought in? No. He's just "having a bad year" or "needs a better defense". They make excuses, and ultimately hope he starts doing well. Because he's part of the team. And they keep on rooting for their team.
They do the exact same with politicians, especially the President, as he's sort of the quarterback. If he sucks, they make excuses.
Not spent much time in Dallas, have you?
/Romohate
My favorite were the people who paid a ton of money to attend a fundraiser for the Prez, where they sang to him about Bradley Manning. Then they undercut all that with the epic:
I think that some small fraction might vote for Ron Paul if he were the nominee, when I've looked at poll crosstabs. Paul loses a little bit of Republicans, gains some Independents and Dems. Not nearly as much as "the issues" might make you think, though.
Their mistake was thinking that politicians continue listening after that first line.
First of all, we ain't bots. Second, I'm a former Obama supporter, and I'm beyond outraged. I'm not voting for Obama again, period. Progressives are beginning to realize that our best current hope is actually Ron Paul, and that is who I'll be supporting in 2012.
The left thinks that the unconstrained pursuit of the profit motive is what has made health care unaffordable.
This example of tyranny illustrates that they have it precisely backward; it is the LACK of freedom of those who seek to make a profit while serving patients more efficiently that has driven the costs through the roof.
Now they are passively accepting of it, even though this ass clown promised up and down to leave MM regulation to the states.
Because what Obama actually does?war, drug war, "Wall Street" fascism, whatever?is what his supporters actually want done.
People lie about what they want from politicians more than politicians lie about what they'll do. That's why politicians are so seldom electorally punished for having misrepresented their positions. The odds of their violating any actually held belief are near-zero.
It's math.
The above might be the best post I've ever read here.
Well, they make a lot of money, and as states' attorney's they've never helped anyone, so...
"none are immune from action by the federal government."
No one expects the Obama Inquisition!
"Our chief weapon is lying! Lying and prevaricating! Our TWO chief weapons are lying, prevaricating, and counting on partisans to vote for us! Our THREE chief weapons are lying, prevaricating, counting on partisanship, and bribing unions! Our FOUR...I'll come in again."
Demonstrating a profound misunderstanding of capitalism
[insert expostulation of astonishment]
These are the people who go ballistic when they read about evil profiteers showing up as a hurricane is headed for shore with a truckload of plywood to sell to people who want to board up their windows.
Re-read the Ogden Memorandum folks. It says right on page two that "financial gain," (i.e., profits) is one indicia of "not being in strict compliance with state law."
You cannot say that they weren't warned.
So your typical public attorney is a commie. In other news, the sky is blue and the sun is really hot.
If we had a wall of separation between commerce and state, considering someone's profit motive or lack thereof would be as verboten in prosecutorial discretion as considering their faith. Just sayin'.
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What have you done with Anon Bot?!! Bring him/her/it back!
This two part plan is the only action the citizens of the US need to take to end federal marijuana prohibition:
1) EVERYONE that sees these links sign up at both sites and weigh in on the debate
- http://pvox.co/CdiFqY
- http://wh.gov/gDQ
2) Propagate those two links and ensure that everyone that sees them go to both those sites.
Too many people are blaming the President for enforcing the federal marijuana prohibition. Contact Congress (the LEGISLATIVE branch [that's the important one when it comes to law]) via the first link. Contact Obama (the EXECUTIVE branch [until Obama vetos a passed H.R. 2306 it's on Congress - but tell Obama anyway]) via the second link. It really is THAT easy. Participate in democracy!
Interesting post! And it's good to hear about other's opinion on this subject.