L.A. Times Finds Villain in Gibson Guitar Raid: Republicans
After describing how 24 armed and armored cops "quickly seized control of the cavernous [Gibson] guitar factory" during a wood-import-related raid on August 24, Los Angeles Times reporter Neela Banerjee wonders why raiding a century-old maker of beloved musical instruments could have led to "unanticipated results" for the Obama Justice Department:
Weeks later, the raid has generated publicity worthy of a rock concert. Groups like the "tea party" and the GOP, and VIPs like House Speaker John A. Boehner and Rush Limbaugh, have grabbed ahold of it as an extreme example of how government regulations are strangling American enterprise.
Republicans see the seizure of 10,000 fingerboards, 700 guitar necks and 80 guitars as an easy-to-grasp anecdote that helps illustrate their campaign to shrink federal government, roll back environmental regulations and reduce funding for the Environmental Protection Agency.
This story is on the front page of the Times' objectively pro-deforestation print edition and is grouped in the "news" subfolder in the paper's website. Yet it's shot through with unsupported opinion, pushed arguments, elisions and dubious claims. (Also, is the copydesk now scare-quoting tea party as a rule? I never thought anybody could top the Washington Times' beaten-but-unbowed retention of homosexual "marriage" – but even they eventually gave that one up.)
I'm guessing maybe the Times finds man-bites-dog value in the idea that Republicans are standing up for rock 'n' roll guitar makers when we all know Republicans never listen to anything but Lawrence Welk in their country clubs. That's the only explanation I can think of for Banerjee's treating the Gibson hubbub as a novelty.
A few minutes of thought should have made it clear why this story blew up: It's about how federal officers conducted two raids against a successful and law-abiding company without filing any charges. They have done this while the country is in a severe recession that has not spared Gibson's base of Nashville, Tennessee. The company, which seeks to maintain a relatively progressive and pro-environment posture (as CEO Henry Juszkiewicz does in his comments to Banarjee), makes a product that is coveted by consumers, highly regarded by its users and recognizable to most people with an interest in popular music. And the purpose of the raid was to investigate whether the laws of another country – India, from which Gibson imports its fingerboards and which has provided Juszkiewicz with a letter attesting to the legality of the purchases – were violated. I'm more of a Fender man myself, but I can pretty easily see why the vast right-wing conspiracy has found an eager audience for commentary on this outrage.
Banerjee of course is following the lead of Media Matters for America, for which the fall of every sparrow is the result of a Fox News conspiracy. MMFA's Jocelyn Fong wages a prolix struggle against reality in this to-be-sure-laden attempt to reveal Gibson's festering GOP underbelly. (Key sentence: "But Juszkiewicz does not appear to be a major Republican donor.")
Banerjee doesn't fare much better. She counterposes strong evidence (Juszkiewicz's letter from the relevant government mentioned above) with weak evidence (paraphrased contentions from unnamed "industry and environmental experts") in he-said-she-said paragraphs. She glides over the fact that the Department of Justice not only failed to file charges but recently downgraded its demands to a request for some face time with Gibson executives. She blames President Bush.
And she treats Juszkiewicz's PR counteroffensive (which Nick Gillespie noted a while back) as something odd, maybe even ominous. This is what's so irritating about this article: not the bias but the unneeded complexity of it. Gibson is big in the guitar world but it doesn't exactly qualify as Big Business. It does about $111 million in annual revenues and employs 2,800 people. Like most of us, it is struggling to get by in the Obama economy. And it's been raided by the cops twice for no apparent reason. And the cops refuse to give back the stuff they confiscated. As they say in L.A., Juszkiewicz is the rooting interest. Why is this so hard to understand?
Related: R.I.P. Les Paul, hero of freedom.
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Me too, but I have to admit the faded SG is a nice guitar, even without the traditional pickups.
Also: fuck the DoJ and its sycophants, such as Banerjee.
I've always liked Gibsons better, they sound thicker.
I've got a Gibson Nighthawk that has a middle singlecoil in it and I can pull some Fender-y tones out of it if I choose. That Gibson, paired with my JCM-900 2x12 tube combo is fucking sweet. As it should be, it's the only thing I own worth anything.
Yeah, yeah, tinny F'n Fenders - blah blah blah.
I was mainly a bassist, so I have a SWR SM-500 and Goliath III cab. With some nice Line6 modeled distortion, my Mexican Strat doesn't sound thin at all through that. (Of course, neither do my basses or the SG...)
Nice guitar. If I had the cash and wanted another Gibson I'd probably go with a Les Paul Trad, but I'm old and set in my ways.
I had a Line6 Flextone 2X12 combo. The Fender amp sounds were almost dead on. I played through a tube Twin Reverb for years, and I couldn't tell the difference. The Marshall settings were adequate, but the high gain Mesa Recto and Soldano settings were, well, lame. There's just no substitute for multi-stage tube gain. I played through a Recto a few times, and it was just pure butter and sweet cream.
I actually got their Guitar Port / Gear Box program originally just to record on my computer, but they make everything, including hooking your computer to your amp easy nowadays.
I agree that they have some 'almost-but-not-quite' sounds, but I paid $99 for what's essentially a pedal rack with an assload of different effects, a tuner, and a couple hundred pre-loaded tones, so I'm pretty happy with it. If I ever play out again, I'll get a cheap laptop to load it on. (The only drawback is that I haven't figured a way to change tones mid-song).
I have an 89 HM Strat with a DiMarzio Super Distortion Humbucker (w/splitter switch), 24 fret neck, Kahler Spyder tremola, basswood body, mkaple neck and rosewood fretboard. Very similar to this one, but with a rainbow mini-flake finish.
http://www.guitarattack.com/images/hmstrat2.jpg
Ballz deluxe.
Awesome. Too bad this is such a late post. Instead of a beer thread, we have a gear thread.
I played P-bass copies since I started playing. I'd really like to get one, but I'd actually prefer to buy a Gibson now, considering the BS they've had to go through. Unfortunately, I'm more in the market for a bass than a new guitar, and I'm not a big fan of their basses. One exception is the Tobias Growler, but I'd need to sell plasma for a year to afford that. Right now, my best bass is a friggin' Scehcter.
Instead of a beer thread, we have a gear thread.
I was hoping for a gear flamewar as well.
Well, if you'd tell us what kind of laughable crap you play, maybe we could oblige you.
The Music Man StingRay 5 is a great bass, and pretty reasonable. It's the standard staple. I'm not familiar with the Tobias, but if you want to go "all-out", usually the Modulus is the bass of choice.
My next guitar is either a PRS or a Godin. I'm leaning towards the Godin because of the versatility. Along with Semour Duncan humbuckers, it has a 13-pin synth pickup and an acoustic piezo pickup. But I need a new amp rig, first. I'm still up in the air about that. Something Mesa or Engl, I think. Soldanos are just too fucking expensive.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com.....7000673000
I was looking at PRS prior to getting the SG (I'm don't really know anything about Godin). I haven't had a really good bass in a while, so that would probably be my next gear purchase. Music Man doesn't do much for me, especially when I could get an American Standard P-bass for the same money.
Tobias is awesome. Speaking of which, I'd be remiss not to mention Bill & Doug at The Guitar Factory here in town. (They were luthiers for Tobias.)
As far as the amps go, Mesa is hard to go wrong with, (at least their bass amps were always worthwhile). Although it surprises me that you could afford Engl but not Soldano. I thought they were similarly priced.
Any of you guys tried a Dingwall bass with the fanned frets? I've been wondering about trying one, but don't want to buy one without trying it.
Of course, my bass is a Yamaha BBG4, it's nice, not very high end tho.
I just picked up a fender BG29 Acoustic/electric Bass, Baddass!
Well, my post was almost coherent.
Owner of a '60s 335, '67 SG white body 3pickup with bigsby travis, '75 Tele custom that weighs a ton..also a warmoth handbuilt that mimicks the '70s Tele design but is hollowbodied, gorgious brazilian rosewood top, and a japanese (i think) 80s squire strat that actually kicks ass on the single coil sound...
that said, also a former 5yr resident of nashville, and friend of a few Gibson employees...
Have also seen Les 6-8 times, and had a beer with him once with my dad. What an awesome entertainer and general human being.
Also had dinner with BB King in Nashville when he bought Big River restaurant right before his birthday party concert on the cumberland river. Around '91.
All this aside... yeah, its a stupid fucking story of needless government intervention
the fact is, its a company that should excite the prog-libs, who think our only valuable output is manufacturing craftmanship and production. American luthiers are valued the world over... maybe not Gibson necessarily, but the supply of decent indian or brazilian rosewood is a tight market. The fuckers are going after them for incidental shit. They deserve the negative feedback from american consumers.
Do Not Fuck With Gibson.
They rock. period. This administration, by contrast, sucks. Do not fuck with things that rock.
sorry, BB's purchase of big river was around '94-'95. forgot the dates. rocked too hard too long.
You have a 335, and you put the Bigsby on the SG?
I was never lucky enough to meet Les Paul, but everything I've ever heard about him was positive. He was a genuinely decent human being, as well as being a true innovator. The contrast with the people who raided Gibson, and the administration under whom they work, could not be more marked.
Bass guy for 35 years, still have my mid-70's Rickenbacker 4001 (black, of course).
Surprisingly (being a bass player), my hands don't like Gibsons at all (I've tried everything), but love Fenders. So I picked up a 50th Anniversary Strat a couple years ago, and JUST purchased an American Standard Tele. Which fucking ROCKS through a 100w Marshall full stack. Thoroughly love it for everything from metal to...not metal.
God bless Rock and Roll. And Gibson, Fender, Rickenbacker, Jackson, Dean, PRS and all the other American guitar makers. Amen.
Actually, that was my experience with their basses as well.
ex-bass player here... yeah, the Fender p-bass was my fav.
I like PocketGuitar on my iPhone. It messes up a lot so I don't feel so bad when I mess up.
I've got an '87 SG Custom re-issue (three pickups) that I've had for 20 years now. Bought it the summer before college for $400. I think it's supposed to be from the "bad" era but it's the best guitar I've ever owned. Spent 6 years with a broken neck but finally got the courage to try fixing it myself. Sounded even better than it did before the break. Was originally white but has aged to a nice tobacco stained yellow from years spent in smoke filled clubs. I've always been about 50/50 Gibson/Fender. I love the feel and sound of Gibsons but most of my favorite players play Fenders. Next guitar will probably be an American Jazzmaster reissue (with a new bridge).
This story is on the front page of the Times' objectively pro-deforestation print edition and is grouped in the "news" subfolder in the paper's website. Yet it's shot through with unsupported opinion, pushed arguments, elisions and dubious claims.
It's about time journalists shed the obsolete rules that tied their hands from challenging the powers that be. No one expects Halliburton and Koch International to refrain from lacing their statements with unsupported opinions, so why should the sole defenders of democracy in the press have to waste space justifying statements of obvious truth?
The corporatocracy has gotten the kid-gloves treatment from the press long enough. It's long past time that we started taking the fight to them.
So you think journalists should be trusted as much as corporate flacks?
No. I think journalists should be flacks for the truth.
Like the truth that Obama is the worst version of crapitalist, the one that doesn't just provide favors for his buddies, but also actively persecutes their competitors?
"...the truth."
Somehow, I doubt you know what that word means.
And to prove it, please define the difference between an advertisement and information.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I think you just...(puts on sunglasses)...cut the "mustard".
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
....the mustard may be falling off the hot dog.
I think journalists should be flacks for the truth.
"... and by 'the truth,' of course, I mean His Mocha Magnificence."
Lionel Hutz: But there's the truth... and the 'truth'.
"No one expects Halliburton and Koch International to refrain from lacing their statements with unsupported opinions,..."
Unlike, oh, that guy Obama, right?
You do remember that journalists work for corporations, don't you? That the national media is part of the "corporatocracy?"
Re: mustard,
That is: They should obfuscate, obviate and downright lie for the State if the victim of government tyranny is a corporation of some sort. Honesty and ethical standards are so passe.
Wow, mustard, you're right. We should just believe everything the state tells us to believe.
mustard's points are much better in videos.
So, what is the obvious truth in this story that you think so desperately needs to be spoken? If the truth is on your side then you shouldn't fear to lay it out in the broad light of day.
You are an even bigger idiot than Tony.
I am pretty sure it was meant as a joke.
The standard left wing response is that left wing publications like the LA times are politically moderate, impartial and fact based.
Mustard is an obvious sock puppet because he admits that the LA Times is in fact a mouth piece for a left wing agenda.
I hadn't considered that.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Don't be so hard on them. Having shit for brains can't be easy - it's a miracle they put out a paper everyday, with words and everything.
There are two problems with Gibson.
First, Gibson started out in Kalmazoo. They moved operations to Tennessee to avoid the unions.
Second, Gibson is a privately held company and is not traded publicly traded.
You can see how this would raise red flags, yes?
[/sarcasm]
Personally, I prefer a 25.5 inch neck scale.
Second, Gibson is a privately held company and is not traded publicly traded
Second, Gibson is a privately held company and is not publicly traded raided.
+1
I'm thinking that charges will be filed soon and then people will feel somewhat snookered for having been sympathetic to Gibson.
Accidental mislabeling... right... Why yes, of course, this mislabeling which I profited from was purely accidental!
"Accidental mislabeling... right... Why yes, of course, this mislabeling which I profited from was purely accidental!"
As opposed to, well, outright lying:
"President Obama's American Jobs Act will create jobs using ideas that have been supported by both Democrats and Republicans."
http://www.americanjobsact.com.....-job-act_1
Yeah, because clearly that's the only issue. Due process? What's that?
Unless someone travels back in time and stops the armed raids, I think I'm going to remain sympathetic to Gibson.
After a couple of lattes, croissants and a clove cigarette, Super Suki will get right on that.
Gibson aquires the very same woods in the very same ways that all of the other guitar companies do. So why are they the only ones getting raided?
Fuck you.
toaster oven: Now that we have established that you have less intelligence than a toaster oven, did you even read the damn article? the Feds are backing away, more than likely will not "file charges".
Yeah, who needs that "fair trial" shit? If the federal government speaks, it's word is holy writ, eh?
Oops, "its word". Now I'm going to be beaten by the grammar nannies.
So is it blind partisanship that makes these media leftards respond to any questioning about any government action with hasty conclusions about the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, or do they somehow feel like their philosophy about the proper role of government in America is somehow under attack?
Are they defending government in general or the Obama government in particular?
Both. But the best thing about partisanship is that it makes you fucking retarded. Let's see if we can do the retard math:
Something shitty happens to someone, who, in my nebulous self identity of being TEAM BLUE, is someone that I'm "for" (TEAM BLUE is the rock and roll party, after all, right?). Therefore, somehow, TEAM RED must be responsible because 1) they're the other TEAM and therefore evil and everything bad that happens is done by them, and 2) it was done to someone that TEAM RED hates, because Gibson is TEAM BLUE because anything associated with rock and roll is TEAM BLUE and therefore the opposite of TEAM RED.
QED, bitches.
not even close. this is all about trade agreements. we know libtoids disregard due process, esp w teh [UNIONZ], and now advocate disregarding trade enforcement.
Sorry PFC Dipshit, but selective prosecution != due process.
"we know libtoids disregard due process, esp w teh [UNIONZ], and now advocate disregarding trade enforcement."
It would take ignorance on the level of dipshit to presume there's a thought buried in that pile of crap.
Federal authorities have raided (with weapons) and confiscated large amounts of property, still being with held from Gibson, without any charges being pressed. No disregard for due process there....
Are they defending government in general or the Obama government in particular?
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they are defending Obama in particular because, in defending him, they are defending extreme liberalism. He embodied their last best chance at establishing the leftist utopia anyone who has never read a history book believes is possible. They are invested in this administration as much as any WH employee.
I am tempted to wonder who dumped the LSD into the water bottles at the Times, but then it occurs to me that - no, this is how they think without chemical assistance.
I'm starting to think that Cavanaugh has some kind of opinions about the LA Times.
Nope. Since it's a bullshit law in the first place, I don't much care whether they broke it or not.
Crap, was supposed to be a response to toaster oven.
But, but, it was saving the mud-mama!
Holy shit, look at that pic! The pope's got three fucking hands. Sure, one is disembodied and lurks in the darkness, but it's his dammit.
That's the hand of God. Note the immaculate cuticles.
That's the hand of the Papal Fluffer.
Either JP2 was dribbling tomato soup in an extremely regular fasion, or there's a cardinal behind him.
The Pope always keeps a third hand close to his balls. Can't have god's representative on earth scrathing his own balls. Usually though, it is a 6 year old choir boy that gets stuck with the job.
So all us conservatives only listen to Lawrence Welk.? Really? You're ignorance is offensive. And Gibson moved from Michigan to TN to avoid unions....is that a bad thing? Guess they should have moved to Mexico or China and then they wouldn't have had to put up with this crap?
Wow, you are severely humor impaired. Almost retarded.
"Almost"? ALMOST, Epi?
Epi, you're going soft on us...
You don't know where you are. You might want to find out if you're going to post again. Also, as Episiarch noted, if you have a sarcasm detector, try wearing it and re-read everything.
Notably, the post has fucking sarcasm tags:
But let me help with the other quote in question:
Spec Ed for Sarcasm class materials. Nice.
BP still wears his sarcasm detector when all the cool kids got the implant years ago.
Mine's going kinda batty, though; I can hear the cb radios when big rigs pass me.
Like I mentioned upthread, it's old age. Sorry for my verbarrhea, too, but [4+ beers & much liked topic = too many posts / replies]. Also, good points re: Page and TOOK UR JERBZ?
I took a shit after playing a gibson
You musta hit the Brown Note.
Needs music:
Joan Jett and her old band covering Slade
I think Slash is the awesomest Gibson player. George Thorogood fucking rocks on a Gibson too. And I guess i would be remiss to leave out the Young brothers.
#1 Gibson Guy - Bill Nelson (Be Bop Deluxe, Bill Nelson's Red Noise, Nelsonica) - one of the most-underrated, least-known guitar players ever. Mega rocked the ES335 and ES355
#2 Angus Young
#3 Uncle Ted
JIMMY PAGE
What. The. Fuck arrgghhHHH !!?@...
Duane Allman
Here is some awesome Gibson porno:
http://www.smtexas.net/faculty.....SLASH.html
Terrific piece, Tim. Posted the link on the LA Times article.
Re: Amy Alkon,
I saw the link you posted - good job. By the way, don't read the rest of the comments in that blog... Most of the boobs there also blame the GOP for emphasizing this raid because Gibson obviously broke the law... because they were raided, you see...
Circular thinking, thy name is leftism.
And they seem to be fumbling over themselves to say it's because Gibson was destroying the environment, which not even the DOJ asserts.
The entire raid was because the ebony and rosewood wasn't finished by Indians rather than Americans, an interpretation to which not even the Indian government subscribes. I have no clue why the US should take it upon itself to enforce another country's protectionist laws.
If they don't understand that, there's no use attempting to reason with them.
If the republicans were smart, something no one is arguing, they'd make the (correct)claim that Gibson was punished for not outsourcing ITTET*.
JOBS JOBS JOBS NOM NOM NOM!
*in these tough economic times...
Pretty much the level of journalistic rigor you'd expect from a cabal that printed this:
conflate much?
I lasted through the first hour. Then the stupid began to overwhelm. Seriously, if your species has "started over" and in seven short years you already need cops after you have chosen only from the brightest and the best....fuck your species.
I made it through the whole thing...
Quick tip, science fiction shows... if you have to insist that we have a sense of wonder when we don't, that is your fault, not ours.
Also, please have the small child eaten by raptors in the 2nd episode.
It wasn't just the B&B; they had a lottery for the general population to get in.
Though of course I agree that it's stupid. The scifi elements, like most popular "scifi" these days, it's just a bunch of CGI mixed with incoherent crap thrown at you as "clues" to some mystery, to make you think it's sophisticated and complex when really the writers are just making random shit up with no intention of actually resolving things. While JJ Abrams is the epitome of this writing technique -- how the FUCK did that guy ever get a gig again after the disaster that was Lost's ending? -- it was evident as far back as the Star Wars prequels too.
My Gibson is a 1975 Les Paul Custom just like Jimmy Page's - shiny black, gold-plated hardware, mother-of-pearl inlays. I was a huge Led Zep fan back in the 70s and early 80s and had to have it. I also have the original hardshell heavy-gauge plastic case with the cushiony grip handle and thick red plush lining. Fucking thing weighs a ton.
I rarely play it anymore. It actually never got a whole lot of play in the first place - it has very little belt buckle rash or any other damage to it. It mostly sits in its case in the corner. Can't bring myself to sell it, although at this point, it's worth multiples of what I paid for it about 25 years ago.
I'd hold onto it. If the DoJ keeps this shit up it'll likely be worth much more if they eventually drive Gibson out of business. I'm planning to keep all of mine (4 LP's and an ES-339).
Of course that has to balanced against the downside risk of the Feds confiscating your guitar because the wood used to make the fretboard 30+ years ago might be suspect and you cannot produce the proper papers to prove otherwise.
Back in the day, I had a red 335 and a Mesa Boogie amp. All I lacked was any musical ability whatsoever. Still, had some fun with it, especially because people with actual musical ability loved to play around with it.
Had to sell them to raise cash to stay alive.
Maybe they thought Mel Gibson owned it.
But Juszkiewicz does not appear to be a major Republican donor.
He is now.
...and the band plays on.
As they say in L.A., Juszkiewicz is the rooting interest. Why is this so hard to understand?
Simple: If voters perceptions began to match up with the reality that government oversight and regulations are tyrannical to liberty and destructive to the economy then the left wing dream would die on the vine.
I wonder why the Martin company, which buys the same stuff, hasn't been raided like this? What has been their political donation history?
"...Times' objectively pro-deforestation print edition "
Anyone who equates consumption of paper with deforestation is a willfully ignorant moron, and an asshole.
Listen, Federal government. You can fuck up the economy, you can give the rich tax cuts, and you can bitch about politics to the point of bringing the world down to hell with you. But when you mess with a guitar company as old and as respectable as Gibson. You're fucking with 90+ years of Rock n roll. I
You did not just hurt the company, you hurt the people who work for the company, you damaged their pride and honor, but most of all you hurt the people who love music.
You wonder why people are sick of your bureaucracy? There's your answer. Why don't you raid tech giants who use cheap and harmful danger to assemble the electronics we use everyday? Why don't you raid the house or office of Wall Street scumbags?!
I hope that someday anyone working in the top levels of government realize what they have done to this country and fall on their knees and beg for forgiveness as a testament to their shame.