Drug War

How Many Medical Marijuana Patients Are Fakers? Does It Matter?


A recent survey of 1,746 patients at nine medical marijuana evaluation clinics in California indicates that "the patient population has evolved from mostly HIV/AIDS and cancer patients to a significantly more diverse array." University of California at Santa Cruz sociologist Craig Reinarman and his colleagues, who report their results in the Journal of Psychoactive Studies, say "this trend toward increasing therapeutic uses is bringing marijuana back to the position it held in the U.S. Pharmacopeia prior to its prohibition in 1937."

Reinarman et al. found that "relief of pain, spasms, headache, and anxiety, as well as to improve sleep and relaxation, were the most common reasons patients cited for using medical marijuana." The top three reasons physicians gave for recommending marijuana were "back/spine/neck pain" (31 percent), "sleep disorders" (16 percent), and "anxiety/depression" (13 percent). Although those may sound like easy-to-fake symptoms, four-fifths of the patients reported trying other, doctor-prescribed medications (most commonly opioids) before marijuana. They could have been malingering then too, of course, and it may be easier to get a recommendation for marijuana than it is to get a prescription for Vicodin or Valium. But on the whole, it does not look like allowing the medical use of marijuana has fundamentally changed the nature of the doctor-patient relationship. Doctors do, after all, commonly prescribe psychoactive pharmaceuticals to treat not only pain but also sleep disorders, anxiety, and depression—all with the government's blessing. If some people find that marijuana works better for these purposes, there is no rational reason to prevent them from using it.

"While it is true that the great majority of our respondents had used marijuana recreationally," Reinarman et al. write, "over two-?fths…reported that they had not been using it recreationally prior to trying it for medicinal purposes." The authors are keenly aware of the widepread impression that a large portion of California's medical marijuana patients are using phony or exaggerated ailments as an excuse to get high. They note that it is hard to measure the extent of such "diversion" and that the phenomenon is not limited to marijuana. More fundamentally, they suggest that the distinction between medical and nonmedical use of drugs is becoming increasingly difficult to draw:

Beyond the spread of [medical marijuana], Prozac and other SSRI-type antidepressants, for example, are often prescribed for patients who do not meet DSM criteria for clinical depression but who simply feel better when taking it. Such "cosmetic psychopharmacology"…is likely to grow as new psychiatric medications come to market. The line between medical and nonmedical drug use has also been blurred by performance enhancing drugs such as steroids, so-called "smart drugs" that combine vitamins with psychoactive ingredients, and herbal remedies like mahuang (ephedra) available in health food stores.

These examples suggest that despite the best intentions of physicians and law makers, much drug use does not ?t into two neat boxes, medical and nonmedical, but rather exists on a continuum where one shades into the other as patients' purposes shift to suit situational exigencies in their health and their daily lives. It is not clear where a border line between medical and nonmedical marijuana or other drug use might be drawn nor how it might be effectively policed.

If you believe the government has no business drawing or policing this line, it is hard to get worked up about people who fake their way to a medical marijuana recommendation. But as I argued back in 1993, reformers could pay a price if all the talk about relieving the suffering of cancer and AIDS patients is perceived as a cover for recreational use. Politicians in other states commonly cite the California example as a reason to block medical use or restrict it to a short list of conditions. Then again, the perception that California's current law encourages dishonesty (much as the medical and religious exceptions to alcohol prohibition did) may strengthen support for outright legalization, which last fall attracted support from 46 percent of California voters. 

[via NORML]

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  1. If you don’t like drugs, then don’t use them.

  2. Better to have one thousand people suffer in pain than to have the possibility of a single hippie stoner getting high for the fun of it. That fucker.

    1. Anything less than total control is unacceptable, dude.

  3. I’m sure anyone can easily get legal, prescription drugs for any of those symptoms, but of course we don’t question that, do we?

    1. Hell, no!

    2. I was going to come up with a witty reply, but I haven’t taken my Adderall today, so I’m all over the place.

    3. @The Other Kevin: Sure we can GET “legal, prescription” drugs — THAT DON’T WORK. Neuropathy — from ANY source — keeps its sufferers in debilitating pain 24/7/365, AND is notoriously resistant to both NSAIDs and opioids.

      Various surgeries exist to treat this condition, but none of them are approved by medical insurance because they’re considered “experimental.” Why? Because the thousands of simultaneous patients required for a statistically “acceptable” treatment trial simply never exists. Therefore anyone but the independently wealthy who suffers neuropathy or any other “orphan condition” is DOOMED right outta the box.

      Thank goodness for medical cannabis!!! It doesn’t take the pain away, but it does get it down to a dull roar, usually enough for four hours of sleep/night.

      — 12-year sufferer from chronic post-traumatic neuropathy

      1. This is one of the best comments on H-&-R this week.


    4. Hey, don’t forget ’bout us! If you let people use weed, we won’t have any fun at all.

  4. Marijuana is not medicine. It says so right on page 22 of Barack Obama’s 2011 National Drug Control Strategy, so it must be true!

  5. Have any fellow nerds been following the Diablo 3 announcement that there will be legitimate in-game trades of virtual items for real money?

    Lots people are pissed off at an authority figure(blizzard) legitimizing something that people think is cheating. This makes me think that drugs will never be legalized. People can’t tolerate other people’s “cheating” when it doesn’t effect them. Some do say that they’re against the real money trading because it may increase the incidence of botting, account stealing and duping, which I think is a real concern. But I think there’s a lot of people who just can’t tolerate “cheating” being made “okay” even when you’re not forced to do what you think is cheating.

    1. This is old, and irrelevant…

      Jeez, didya hear about Bitcoin? A vitual currency being traded for REAL goods? And there is botting, account stealing, and duping… so what.

  6. “this trend toward increasing therapeutic uses is bringing marijuana back to the position it held in the U.S. Pharmacopeia prior to its prohibition in 1937.”


    1. Yes, poor Nixon.

      1. Richard Nixon may have been wrong about one or two things, but he had that Drug War thing right on….

  7. How Many Medical Marijuana Users Are Fakers?

    All of them.

    There, I said it.

    1. love it when people talk out of their ass about something they dont know about! I guess you work for a pharmaceutical company that is why you are scare of people finding something that works!

      1. Umm, I’m pretty sure Gil’s comment was sarcasm: Gil Kerlikowske is the current drug czar.

      2. Welcome to Hit & Run, Lewis!

      3. “Why do you think they call it dope, Lewis?”

      4. Hey pal, we got the cannabis patents ready for the day it becomes legal. We need something to replace our erectile dysfunction drugs going off-patent.

    2. Who gives a fuck, it’s weed.

      1. Seriously. Marijuana is so non-toxic they once gave a rat the equivalent of 50,000 doses, and it lived.

        Take 4 doses of alcohol or acetaminophen, (both OTC) and you’ll wind up in the hospital. Or the mortuary.

        1. …could the rat still do his homework?

          1. Who cares, so long as I don’t have to pay his Social Security or unemployment insurance?

        2. 4 doses of alcohol -> hospital


          1. I guess it depends on how you define a “dose”. Since they defined a dose of marijuana as the amount needed to get the rat high, I was using the same gauge for alcohol. It takes me about 5-6 beers to get a buzz. If I drank 20-24, I would likely wind up in the hospital. YMMV.

            1. 5-6 beers to get a buzz? damn. are you in college?

        3. I’m literally doing both of those things right now..
          wait for it..

  8. Ok, I ran a medical marijuana collective in CA for two years. I’m pretty sure about half the patients just wanted to get high, about 30% or so had some mild to moderate disorder they were really needed it for and about 20% had cancer, AIDS, MS, glaucoma, etc.

    Those are estimates, I’m not a doctor and never questioned what people had their recommendations for. Just as a pharmacist doesn’t question your vicodin prescription.

    Its always funny seeing the antis saying things like “I watched a pot shop and 90% of the people who walked in and out didn’t appear sick to me.” Well, I watched a CVS and 90% of the people that walked in and out didn’t appear visibly sick to me either.

    1. Doctor, it hurts when I do this —

      *rises out of La-Z-Boy and changes into clean clothes*

    2. I watched a CVS and 90% of the people that walked in and out didn’t appear visibly sick to me either.

      Obese, perhaps.

      1. ime,thats true at almost any doctor’s office or clinic, that much moreso when it’s an ER or other place where low income people tend to go. a shocking (SHOCKING! i say!) are obese/morbidly obese.

        now, to what extent their condition “caused’ the obesity OR obesity caused their condition (or neither) is another question entirely, but it’s pretty fucking clear that there is a strong association between chronic illnesses and obesity.

        which is hardly shocking

        1. Obesity does not render you immune to head colds.

          1. This man is clearly not obese.

            1. I am obese, I get head colds.

        2. I have read studies that said there was a stronger association with chronic disease and mortality in people who are underweight than people who are slightly overweight, and that being overweight contributed more to chronic disease as did chronic disease contributed more to wasting

          1. i’m just telling you what i see at ER’s etc.

            a very disproportionate # of fat fucks

            also, as part of my job, i have to respond to same etc. not infrequently

    3. i am 100% for medical mj (and even if i wasn’t,it’s still a state rights issue and thus SHOULD be outside the span of control of federal govt) but with that said…

      i have ZERO doubt that a substantial (at least 33% ) of medical MJ patients just want to use the MJ to get high

      i just don’t give a flying fuck that this is the case.

      because i’m a pragmatist.

      the fact that some people misuse a therapeutic modality to get high shouldn’t affect the ability/legal ability of those who would benefit from it to get it without a bunch of hurdles.

      there’s this puritan streak in america that OMG SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE IS HAVING A GOOD TIME.

      so fucking WHAT?

      1. but some people are so violently against this rational it is borderline ignorance

    4. As someone who spends quite a bit of time in and around Oaksterdam, I think the 50-30-20 estimate is about right.

      (And yes.. who cares and all that, but this being H&R that’s preaching to the choir.)

  9. Anything short of full 100% legalization of buying *and* selling substances of any kind is a crime against a humanity.

    Yes I really mean that. The drug war is on par with slavery, illegal wars of aggression, and all other crimes against humanity.

    1. Why did your fellow statesmen vote otherwise?

      1. Because most people are happy enough with the status quo in CA. It is effectively legal now and stoners in general are looking for the easiest path to their weed.

      2. There was a fair amount of fear, at least among current patients, that our rights would be reduced if the measure passed. It was complete bullshit, but stoners love conspiracies and a few of them I know bought into it.

        Another guy I know, a former street dealer, was against it because ‘selling weed made me a lot of money when I needed it, and I want that option available for future generations’.

        The med-pot industry didn’t really support it – why would they? They’ve got a pretty sweet deal now, with fairly exclusive distribution rights and a government that seems more concerned with propping up prices than actually winning the drug war.

        Also, you know, stoners don’t tend to show up to vote… at least not the day of the election.

        The margin was pretty slim though, so I think in another year or so we’ll have a chance to pass it, barring federal interference and propaganda.

        1. ‘selling weed made me a lot of money when I needed it, and I want that option available for future generations

          Wtf? Yeah, I hope there are enough blackmarket job opportunities available when I have kids.

          1. Its a multi generation family industry in CA.

    2. people don’t realize that prohibition has created more and more dangerous substances and always will

  10. Does It Matter?

    If you’re anti-prohibition, and you believe that voting and legislation and shit is how you’ll get what you want, then yes.

    Carded potheads are the most “Got mine!” assholes on earth, and they’re slamming that door behind them. On everything.

  11. Fakers? Does It Matter?

    Only if you base your whole marijuana strategy on the “medical” in “medical marijuana.” That compromise in inherently flawed and it begs just such scrutiny and skepticism from the prohibitionists.

    1. If marijuana is eventually to undergo a prescription-to-OTC switch, as several other drugs have (including a few I’ve used before & after the switch), the less questioning of its medical status, the sooner it will undergo the switch. And once it’s OTC, it will hardly be questioned, unless someone figures out a way to use it to make meth or something.

      However, this won’t happen in the form of marijuana to be smoked, but as a mouth spray, a patch, or a vaporized product. It’ll get you just as high, but not be mfd. by small scale growers. Not long after it gets to OTC status, though, it’ll be generic, and just as cheap as the smokable product.

  12. I’m not sure that pot is a good treatment for depression or sleep disorders. What I have heard (been a long time since I tried any), is that it stops you from dreaming. And as for depression – lack of motivation is probably going to make that worse in the long term.

    The phrase I’ve heard is that it’s great for physical pain, but useless if not counter productive for emotional pain.

    1. Eh, ymmv. It stopped me from dreaming for a couple years, then that went away. That never seemed to affect the quality of sleep though. As far as getting to sleep, there are few equals.

      I can say that I’m one of the few members of my family not taking psychotropic medications, opiates, or both. Lack of motivation is certainly a problem, but if you already have more motivation than the people around you then it’s not so bad.

      Physical pain? That also depends. MJ can make a lot of headaches worse(drying your sinuses, which IMHO is what 80% of headaches are actually caused by). Some kinds of pain get worse in a way because you focus on the pain more. It’s really great in conjunction with ibuprofen or a reduced dose of opiates though.

      But this all ignores the fact that MJ isn’t one drug. Different strains should really be treated individually, since effects can vary so widely. Also, delivery method has a big effect. Smoking a J vs eating a brownie is completely different, even for the same strain.

      1. I remember reading somewhere that most headaches are caused by dehydration(hence the dry sinuses). So when you take 2 aspirin with a glass of water, chances are all you needed was the water.

    2. You still dream. You just don’t remember them.

    3. I’m not sure that pot is a good treatment for depression or sleep disorders.

      I suspect it varies from person to person. I have a friend who can’t sleep unless he’s had some. (This may also be due to pain issues, he has a bad back.)

    4. My wife tried some over the counter stuff to sleep on occasion and it did not work at all so she took a double dose and still no good. She can’t do weed due to her job.

      On the other hand, when I can’t sleep I may have a glass of wine or I may take a hit or two.
      The weed always relaxes me and I fall asleep very quickly.
      I also used to do a hit or two when I was studying biochemistry in grad school. It allowed me to relax and focus on just my studies. This will only work with small doses and when you are highly motivated like before an exam or the month before written prelims.

  13. If you believe the government has no business drawing or policing this line, it is hard to get worked up about people who fake their way to a medical marijuana recommendation.

    It is the reason why I’ve argued in thread after thread that medicalization was the wrong road to take. Because at some point, some group of politicians is going to notice how many young, relatively healthy males have debilitating conditions requiring medicine.

    1. I think your make a really good point. In my experience, people who want pot to remain illegal, already believe that medical marijuana is a con; that it’s simply a way to move it one step closer to acceptance and full legalization, or something along those lines. A higher number of fakers would only seem to confirm their suspicions.

      1. and they are right. of COURSE it’s part of a slippery slope to overally legalization

        that’s tangentialto the fact that mj IS a valid therapeutic modality.

        those are not at all mutually inconsistent.

        incrementalism is a great strategy and medical MJ is part of it.

      2. In addition to the big pharma lobby, the mmj path will make it harder for legalization because now you have the mmj lobby to contend with. The fact is the gov’t of the elites and by the elites will never allow such freedoms for a populace they want to control. Hope I’m wrong though.

  14. Those muscle spasm and neuropathic pain cases are not a suprise, considering the most likely age group to suffer serious, debilitating back injury is 19-45. A couple puffs after a 9 hour work day for relief is not out of line. Also, does my back pain preclude me from enjoying life by swimming, surfing or taking a stroll? Hell No.

    1. @Fairuse: Lucky you. My post-traumatic (bones and joints “shattered” followed by multiple reconstructive surgeries) neuropathy has for the past 12 years kept me from enjoying just about EVERYTHING.

      I used to walk five miles per day; now I can barely walk around the block.

      I used to not only enjoy going to concerts, I used to perform in them; now I just weep when I see one announced because I know I won’t even be able to tolerate standing in line for tickets.

      My husband and I used to have a great sex life; now…well. If there is any justice in this world (for HIM!) I expect to be single again any day now.

      I praise medical cannabis NOT because it gets rid of my symptoms (one could only wish!) but because MAYBE once a week I can manage to choke enough of it down (without coughing spasms that recur for days) to get four hours’ sleep ALL AT ONCE or be able to climb in and out of the bathtub without assistance.

      Your mileage may vary, and obviously does.

      1. Spikeygrrl – if you can afford it, get a vaporizer. That will at least get rid of the coughing.

      2. Put down the pipe and pick up the fork.

        Or just google cannabis recipes.

        Good luck.

  15. I quit smoking pot not long after college because I was never really thrilled with the “high” it gave me.
    Recently a friend of mine gave me a small tin of pot candies after we had a discussion about the panic attacks and crippling social anxiety I had been experiencing over the past few years. One or two of these candies definitely doesn’t “blast my mind into orbit,” but I haven’t been this close to feeling like a normal person in years. I find myself not panicing anymore, being more positive, and definitely more patient, understanding and empathic to people and strangers around me.

    >looks at FDA< Call that bullshit if you want.

  16. “there is no rational reason to prevent them from using it.”

    Well, there’s your problem.

  17. I’ll be “medicating” in Amsterdam in exactly a week. Hooray!

    But in all seriousness, the sleeping pills I was prescribed didn’t work and made me feel like shit in the morning. I quit using them almost immediately. On the days I truly can’t sleep I’ll self medicate with alcohol or pot if I have it. Marijuana is by far preferable to anything else I have tried. If I lived in a MM state I sure as shit would get a prescription. Would I need it? No. Would I mainly use it for fun? Hell yes!

    1. Are you gonna be okay for the ethics section of the bar?

    2. Actually, you’ll just be another petty drug tourist, thank yourself…

      If you’re really sick, you can visit a doctor in Amsterdam, and you can buy some slightly more expensive, but slightly better, in terms of production, processing, and especially QUALITY medical-grade marijuana at a real pharmacy there…

  18. My experience is anecdotal but all the people I know with pot cards are not sick people. I don’t know a single person with one who deserves it based on the definition, unless of course the definition is “the doctor gave me this”.

    Not that any of this matters because I don’t care if healthy people smoke pot. I’d sooner see it being sold at 7-11. But any premise that California is only giving pot to sick people is silly.

    1. If people lie and exploit a system, that doesn’t make it bad, it just makes the people bad. But then again, you’re NOT a doctor. More than one in three people in the US have chronic pain. A few years back, when this was all brand new, I had a chance to visit a few dispensaries. If they weren’t ALL sick people getting marijuana, they sure all LOOKED sick, and had other prescriptions to back it up.

  19. threadjack!!!! here’s the affidavit for the warrant in the renton PD case…


    1. That’s fucking hilarious. The affidavit is far more embarassing(jesus that law is asinine) than the videos. Can we get another PD to investigate Ryan Rutledge for fileing it?

      1. the most ironic thing to me is that by investigating this they are drawing attention to all this penne ante peyton place who is fucking who bullshit.

        it’s not like the videos name “fannie sass-a-lot” etc. you’d have to already know the “playahs” to even know what the fuck this video is talking about

        the warrant is just a tool the cop-o-crats are using as a fishing expedition so they can out an officer who is clearly exercising his 1st amemdment rights and punish him

        i’ve commented several times how dept’s routinely discipline officers for what is (imo) clearly protected 1st amendment activity. remember, PD’s are NOT “private” and as a govt. agency the 1st amemdnet applies to them

        at least police unions are protecting us (to some extent)

        1. at least police unions are protecting us (to some extent)

          And if they confined themselves to defending officers against constutional violations from their bosses, I wouldn’t have a problem with them.

          1. just one of their many uses. due process violations, etc. as well

            1. Real due process or crazy cop bizarro land due process? Cause I find it hard to believe that cops would be denied access to the courts and/or representation without the presence of a union.

              1. i was referring to stuff such as cop-o-crats etc. failing to adhere to stuff like collective bargaining agreements, etc.

                i have been pretty impressed btw with the arbitrators (who have nothing to do with the union btw). very competent

      2. let’s remember
        1) this blatantly unconstitutional law was passed by the leftwing legislature. a majority. NONE of them complained it was unconstitutional, which it clearly is

        2) this warrant was approved by a DA before it ever got to a judge
        3) a judge signed it
        4) the warrant was sought after under the direction of COP-O-CRAT’s (administgrators) not real line cops. it’s all about them seeking to punish a line officer for airing their ridiculous dirty laundry

      3. let’s remember
        1) this blatantly unconstitutional law was passed by the leftwing legislature. a majority. NONE of them complained it was unconstitutional, which it clearly is

        2) this warrant was approved by a DA before it ever got to a judge
        3) a judge signed it
        4) the warrant was sought after under the direction of COP-O-CRAT’s (administgrators) not real line cops. it’s all about them seeking to punish a line officer for airing their ridiculous dirty laundry

        1. the warrant was sought after under the direction of COP-O-CRAT’s (administgrators) not real line cops. it’s all about them seeking to punish a line officer for airing their ridiculous dirty laundry

          But under your theory of “have to enforce the laws the legislature creates” aren’t you just as wrong to find blame with the DA, judge, and “cop-a-crats” as we are to blame cops for enforcing the drug laws?

          1. i think ALL are to blame, i just think when and if cops seek a warrant, as long as they were honest on the warrant application, then the (theoretically at least) far better trained in area of case law DISTRICT ATTORNEY and JUDGE are far more to blame if the DA approves it and JUDGE issues it

            an arrest warrant (any warrant) is an ORDER from a JUDGE.

            it’s his explicit approval that the PC alleged on the warrant is sufficient to establish PC of a crime and sufficient to believe that evidence of that crime is probably located at the location to be searched.

            when officers act SUMMARILY, they have the burden but when they seek a warrant, the burden switches to those who , with ample time for reflection, etc. APPROVE the warrant

            the very reason why warrants are PREFERRED vs. warrantless searches is that a (theoretically) impartial party SPECIFICALLY tasked with evaluating evidence on warrants is able to give their IMPARTIAL imprimateur on that evidence as sufficient to establish that there is PC to believe a crime occurred and that evidence is located

            i have been 100% consistent on this, and it’s fundamental. the burden shifts when cops get a warrant

            but all the wanking about cops having QUALIFIED immunity ignores that prosecutors and judges have ABSOLUTE immunity, a far stronger protection against assmunchery.

            as do legislators, such as the ones who passed this blatantly unconstitutional bullshit in the first place, a law i have been criticizing for well over a year.

            1. i have been 100% consistent on this, and it’s fundamental. the burden shifts when cops get a warrant

              So, if a cop gets a warrant, he’s not to blame for enforcing the drug laws, but if he doesn’t, he is?

              1. this has nothing to do with the drug laws. it’s a silly analogy.

                drug laws (state) are not UNCONSTITUTIONAL. they are merely bad policy

                this is distinguishable. this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, and i have been saying so for years.

                making fun of somebody is not a crime. at MOST, they should have a civil tort for intentional inflication of emotional distress, and i don’t even buy that (nor do i think would the court)

                these are distinguishable completely. let’s distinguish between BAD policy and UNCONSTITUTIONAL law/policy.

                1. drug laws (state) are not UNCONSTITUTIONAL. they are merely bad policy

                  Fine then, DUI enforcement. You can’t even pretend that that shit conforms to the constutition.

                  1. actually, i believe it does (at least in my state-btw, we have ruled DUI roadblocks to be UNconstitutional)…

                    1. Commendable, but that’s only one of them. There are more.


                    2. we’ve gone down this bunny trail before. i think SOME states may have SOME stuff that raises constitutional issues (it’a ALWAYS a balancing test in any constitutional question), but imo DUI laws in general are plenty constitutional.

                2. drug laws (state) are not UNCONSTITUTIONAL. they are merely bad policy

                  False. 9th (and 14th) amendment.

  20. OMG!!!! it gets WORSE. RENTON PD COP-O-CRATS messed up BIGTIME!!!!

    RENTON, Washington — New information Friday revealed that the Renton Police Department’s initial request for a criminal search warrant seeking the name of an animator who made satirical cartoons about the department was refused by the King County Prosecutor’s Office.

    The Prosecutor’s Office said it refused the request in May. Spokesman Dan Donahoe said there was “insufficient evidence to proceed” in the case.

    Rather than admit defeat, Renton police took the case across town and convinced the Renton City Prosecutor to issue the warrant.

    Renton police Detective Bob Onoshi told KIRO Team 7 Investigators he was ordered earlier this year by his commander, police Chief Kevin Milosevich, to try to make a cyberstalking case against the anonymous cartoonist. Onoshi said he didn’t make his case, which King County prosecutors confirmed after initially telling KIRO 7 “it had nothing to do with the case.”

    1. The cyberstalking court paperwork got in front of a judge a few months later and was signed after a different detective within the Renton police force took over. It holds the signature of the chief prosecutor of the City of Renton, who works for the City Attorney.

      KIRO 7 first broke the story Wednesday that the Renton City Prosecutor was apparently targeting the cartoonist after several videos that mocked the Renton Police Department were posted to YouTube.

      Milosevich responded to criticism of the criminal probe Thursday by saying, “I would rather err on the side of investigating all complaints (and) alleged criminal misconduct rather than risk failing to investigate a crime that’s been reported.”

      Presented with the new accusation of “prosecutor-shopping” late Friday, Milosevich told KIRO 7 the station was “overreacting.” He said King County Prosecutors didn’t want to file a felony cyberstalking case but the Renton City Attorney would go for a gross misdemeanor.

      If Renton was successful in an attempt to prosecute a cartoon maker with a felony cyberstalking case, the penalty could have been five years in prison.

    2. This is meaningless in terms of the topic of discussion. I’m sure you like cartoons, but this isn’t the place for it.

      Is it.

      Maybe you misposted because you thought it was another article, but I don’t think so.

      1. Misposting, or threadjacking, is a fine and honored tradition at H & R. Recommend removal of sand from panties.

        1. yup. needs to get sand out of vagina.

          OMG, i cyberstalked!

          renton PD chief milosivech better not find out!

  21. This marijuana thing will get shut down.with all the Mexican drug cartel lobbyist money flooding Washington these days it becomes clear that the politicians only want to see outsource marijuana imported into the US market, blood and all.if only the local growers and activists had the money these cartel had we could bring these jobs back to America and also produce a higher quality product.

  22. Its all good, just smoke and enjoy bro.


  23. You say most medical users of pot are not being truthful? Let’s take a look at the government’s record on marijuana and the truth.

  24. Wow, why not just look at one or both the Colorado or Michigan State web sites where they make such statistics available to the public?

    94% of registered Colorado patients listed chronic pain to get their cards.

    37% of all Colorado patients listed conditions that were anything else. So that accounts for 141% of their patient.

    It’s a totally bogus claim that licensed physicians in all cases can’t tell whether or not pain exists in their patients.

    My doctor just last week diagnosed me with osteoarthritis in my neck and that my choices are surgery or pain management, which he said was very ineffective in ameliorating neuropathic pain, but he’d still give me a prescription for oxycodone because every little bit counts. Opioids are simply not my cup of tea.

    Montana used to provide the age breakdown as well and 41 was the average age of a Montana cardholder as well as the median age of registered patients. There were 429 cardholder who were over age 71 and and 13 were nonagenarians.

  25. Doctors do, after all, commonly prescribe psychoactive pharmaceuticals to treat not only pain but also sleep disorders, anxiety, and depression?all with the government’s blessing. If some people find that marijuana works better for these purposes, there is no rational reason to prevent them from using it.

    This should be tattooed on the foreheads of every US Attorney and federal judge in the country.

  26. It’s not how many are “fakers,” but how many could be saving themselves, and a lot of other people money by using easily grown, and versatile in it’s myriad of delivery possibiliies, medical marijuana.

    A recent report by the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Science, stated that there are 116,000,000 – that’s one hundred sixteen MILLION – americans suffer from some sort of chronic pain.

    That’s a lot of people who could be helped.

    1. Isn’t this the same issue with prescription painkillers? Our fear of those who “fake” pain for recreational use is so absurdly overblown that those who legitimately need pain relief are denied it.

      1. No, it’s NOT the same issue… Prescription (and non-prescription)painkillers are some of the worst medicines out there. Forget addiction and black market concerns, but the real physical complications from using opiates or even acetaminphen maketheir regulation in some way warranted… although I don’t believe in government chasing doctors over “pain management” policies.

  27. It’s only a matter of time before pot heads will be screaming for subsidy’s.Free pot. Yeah, baby.

  28. No one who uses cannabis are “fakers”. Maybe it’s medicine the same way aspirin is medicine. It doesn’t harm the body. So whats it matter if someone decides they want to use cannabis as a medicine? Why would anyone consider users of cannabis to be “fakers” in a society that’s known to ADVERTISE DRUGS ON T.V? Everyone needs to take note at how Big Pharma is going to take an EXTREMELY big hit when people start realizing that its cheaper to grow a plant in you’re back yard than it is to take man-made chemicals as anti-depressants for an entire lifetime.

  29. Since using marijuana decreases the likelihood of developing several cancers as well as Alzheimer’s disease, it seems that all use is health-positive behavior and should not only be allowed, but should be encouraged. Read “Marijuana Gateway to Health” when it goes on sale later this month!

  30. Those guys makes a lot of sense.


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  32. If you don’t like drugs, then don’t use them.

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