Appeals Court Rules In Favor of Nude Body Scanners; Against Privacy Advocates and Other Decent Peoples

The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in D.C.* ruled today that Advanced Imaging Technology, better known as "nude scanners," do not violate the Fourth Amendment rights of travelers:

"The petitioners [The Electronic Privacy Information Center] argue that using AIT for primary screening violates the Fourth Amendment because it is more invasive than is necessary to detect weapons or explosives…As other circuits have held, and as the Supreme Court has strongly suggested, screening passengers at an airport is an 'administrative search' because the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack." 

However, the court did give TSA a slap on the wrist for adopting the scanners as a "primary screening method" without first having a period of public comment. The court has asked TSA to seek public comments, but won't stop them from using AIT in the meantime, reports Bloomberg: 

"Due to the obvious need for the TSA to continue its airport security operations without interruption, we remand the rule to the TSA but do not vacate it," the court said in its ruling.

According to WIRED, the TSA told the court earlier this year that a period of public comment would "would thwart the government's ability to respond to 'ever-evolving threats.'"

Reason on TSA. 

*Not the D.C. Appeals Court, as I miswrote earlier. 

Comments

[Hugh Akston]

Well that’s a kick in the nuts.

[fish]

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[Greer]

what is your point?

[wylie]

Don’t put salt in your eyes.

[Mick Jagger]

Can I sowk me ya-ya’s in kerowsene?

[Tulpa]

In a world full of people
There’s only some want to fly
Isn’t that crazy?

[Red Rocks Rockin]

+1 1991 Seal hit

[Tulpa]

Thanks for reminding me that song came out 20 years ago. Fuck am I old!

[Ice Nine]

Who’s Don Tfly?

[GILMORE]

Hugh Akston|7.15.11 @ 1:35PM|#
Well that’s a kick in the nuts.

I think technically its an uncessary clincal groping of the nuts by a government employee who is incapable of any form of actual productive, gainful contribution to society.

The second part of that sentence is obviously redundant.

[A Secret Band of Robbers]

It’s just a very, very speedy national security patdown that happens to be done in the groinal region, and with a boot.

[Lost_In_Translation]

Yeah, and if the public doesn’t like it, fuck’em. We’ll continue being ineffective and offensive as long as we like.

[Brett L]

I can avoid flying longer than the airlines can remain solvent.

[wylie]

That’s some nice affecting-interstate-commerce you got there, be a shame if anything were to not-happen to it, if you catch my drift. Capiche?

[sarcasmic]

Me too.

[Invisible Finger]

Your savings and earnings will be taken to bail out the airlines.

[Quiet Desperation]

What’s with the Shroud Of Turin picture?

(squints)

Oh, my…

[Mainer]

What the hell is that guy wearing ? You can see his butt cheeks on the right, but on the left…a cod piece ? Whu ?

[db]

That’s his natural junk. The sack is hangin’ low.

[Barry Zuckerkorn]

Those are balls!

[Adam Sandler]

Old, wrinkled balls!

[Old Mexican]

The D.C. Court of Appeals ruled today that Advanced Imaging Technology, better known as “nude scanners,” do not violate the Fourth Amendment rights of travelers[.]

Constitution… Constitution… What’s that, anyway?

[kinnath]

The constitution means whatever I need it to mean to allow whatever good deed to be done that I think needs to be done.

Love and Kisses, the Appeals Court

[Old Mexican]

Maybe a national campaign trying to convince all flabby and unatractive Americans to go through the porn-scan would convince the TSA to stop using this technology…

Cellulitis… Hanging boobs… Man-boobs… Big asses…

[OO]

ahh, that’s what’s happening now

[zeroentitlement]

I am already doing my part for America.

*Cue Battle Hymn of the Republic.*

[Shocked]

So what happens when terrorist lose their fixation on air travel and attack elementary schools, shopping malls, sporting events, etc?.

[Gray Ghost]

We lose the 4th and 5th, I think.

But, if they were able to do such a thing, don’t you think they’d have tried to by now? Before a main base of theirs—Afghanistan—was invaded and their personnel killed and dispersed? Before their spiritual leader took two shots to the face? I just don’t get the hysteria and fear about teh Terror! at this point.

Seeing Chertoff rung up on racketeering or bribery charges is too much to hope for, I guess.

[Ray]

We get to see more magnificent balls, like the set this gentlemen has.

[Barry Zuckerkorn]

Those are balls!

[OO]

u mean like mcvey?

[cynical]

No?

McVeigh attacked a compound housing members of a number of paramilitary organizations, which unfortunately led to deaths of adult noncombatants and several children.

[GILMORE]

the TSA told the court earlier this year that a period of public comment would “would thwart the government’s ability to respond to ‘ever-evolving threats.'”

A primary ‘evolving threat’ being: the American Public’s Growing Frustration and Dissatisfaction With the General Uselessness of the TSA

Letting people speak their minds *in advance* of implementation of TSA policy would be a disaster. The whole point of the TSA is to put something in place and then once it’s a fait accompli use any resistance to said policy as an excuse to intervene even further into people’s lives.

“No nude scanner for you? Please step over here then for the cavity search…”

[Hobie Hanson]

Do you know how easy it would be for al-Qaeda to infiltrate the public comment process and influence the types of screenings that are done? Also the more worked up people get against the government’s attempts to protect them, the more al-Qaeda wins.

[tarran]

Al Queda didn’t hijacking airplanes because they hated them. They hijacked them intending to trigger a response that would bankrupt the u S goverment.

If I was a n Al Queda supporter, I would thank get on my knees and thank god for fifth columnists like you, Mr Dan T

[Red Rocks Rockin]

LOL at this. Please try and pretend that you’re not just trolling. We all know you thought this was bullshit when Dubya was swaggering in the Oval Office.

[P Brooks]

As other circuits have held, and as the Supreme Court has strongly suggested, screening passengers at an airport is an ‘administrative search’ because the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack.”

So this means nothing discovered in any of these searches not directly a “terrorist” threat to the aircraft and passengers is admissible for any other law enforcement purpose, right?

RIGHT?

That’s what I thought.

[Pablo]

^^^

I don’t recall seeing anything in the 4th amendment distinguishing between “administrative” and “criminal” searches.

[cynical]

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Except, like, if it’s administrative, cause that doesn’t count or whatever.

[Tulpa]

Here we go again with the selective literalism.

I don’t see anything in the 4th amendment saying that govt needs a warrant for a search either.

[R C Dean]

If you don’t read the second clause about warrants as modifying the first clause, then I guess that means that warrants are never needed, ever, for any search.

So why do they ever get warrants?

[Tulpa]

Good point…but you had to abandon the literalist interpretation to make it.

Though, one could make the argument that issuing a warrant is merely a certification that the search is reasonable — that there may be some reasonable searches without a warrant. Which of course is the case law.

[Sy]

“..and no Warrants shall issue,…”??????

[Tulpa]

Good job, the amendment does indeed mention warrants, in a completely different clause. The first amendment mentions religion and the press, so does that mean that the press has to be religious?

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

Tulpa, semanticist par excellence.

[TrickyVic]

“”So this means nothing discovered in any of these searches not directly a “terrorist” threat to the aircraft and passengers is admissible for any other law enforcement purpose, right?””

Uh, yeah.

I’ve been saying for a while, the scanners are not about terrorism but about the discovery of contraband, and for the pupose of greater security in general. This go to the thread about panic running the country.

Under their logic, any search of that level is OK, in NYC for anti-terrorism reason.

Tyrants across the centuries have used so called threats against the homeland to justify their tyranny.

[Tulpa]

Evidence that is in plain view of an officer does not require a warrant or probable cause to be admissible in court.

So they conduct the administrative search only for items dangerous to the flight. However, if there are drugs or other contraband in your bag or on your person, those will become “in plain view” during the administrative search and thus be admissible.

[Kant feel Pietzsche]

I don’t think “plain view” means what you think it means.

[Tulpa]

Perhaps you could explain where what I’m saying is wrong, rather than merely asserting it is.

[Warty]

Here’s my public comment: Fuck you, TSA, and fuck your scanners too. I hope you enjoy feeling me up every time I fly.

[Jim]

I’ve wondered about that. Can I request the pat-down be done by a male, who, assuming he’s straight, should find the task unpleasant? Definitely a sacrifice I’d be willing to make if it makes their day just a little bit shittier.

[sarcasmic]

“Can I request…”

That could be perceived as disrespecting some TSA drone’s authoritah and result in your being detained until your flight finishes boarding.

I wouldn’t recommend it.

[Jim]

Good point; I’ll just keep quiet and do as I’m told.

[wylie]

Dammit, Jim.

[Pablo]

I’ve never had the privilege of being groped by TSA, but aren’t the pat downs done by someone the same gender as the passenger?

Of course there are passive things you could do to make it a little more fun. Like wear womens underwear if you are a guy, or no underwear at all. Or you could submit to the pat down while packing a woody (although that would be difficult for me, judging from photos of TSA employees I’ve seen).

[sarcasmic]

You could pop a viagra or two before getting in line.

[sarcasmic]

If Dennis Rodman is packing a woody could they detain him for carrying a dangerous weapon?

[TrickyVic]

The TSA agent would require greater scrunty in a closed room.

[Your Teacher]

Fuck you, TSA, and fuck your scanners too.

Impotent little adolescent. Stamp your foot and hold your breath while you’re at it. You know that the TSA doesn’t actually read or care about H&R comments, right?

[John Thacker]

Huh, the opinion was written by Douglas Ginsburg, last seen saying that the government does need a warrant to attach GPS trackers to someone’s car. This was actually a normally fairly pro-4th Amendment panel.

[Enjoy Every Sandwich]

They’ve redlined the 4th so many times that it’s illegible. They may as well quit trying to fool us and just erase the damn thing.

[P Brooks]

Again, I say:

Want to reduce government spending? Start by telling everybody who works for the TSA to stay home, starting tomorrow.

[aQ]

akbar idea infidel

[Sy]

If the TSA can’t find a fucking lighter in my pocket, and a bottle of shampoo in my carry-on, they’re not going to find anything Al Qaeda is trying to sneak aboard.

[They won't even find...]

Al Qaeda himself, TSA being distracted by 90-year-old Depends-clad grannies in wheelchairs.

[Tim]

OT:
I live in a border state to Canada. Use to be that nobody cared if you drove across the border in either direction. Used to go for fun and on business, which was all you had to tell them and they waved you through.

So I just got my high security “enhanced” driver’s license that should stand in for a passport and be easier to take with me at all times.
I go through all the red tape and they hand me a printed screen shot of the thing with a red sticker that says TEMPORARY ENHANCED DRIVER’S LICENSE.

” It may take up to a month to get your actual EDL, they’ll MAIL it to you. Use this in the meantime in case you get stopped.”

Yeah they’re going to US Mail the precious high security thing.

Of course the fine print on the red sticker says ” Temporary EDL not for crossing national borders “.

[kinnath]

Sounds like it’s easier to just get a passport.

[JW]

“Due to the obvious need for the TSA to continue its airport security operations without interruption, we remand the rule to the TSA but do not vacate it,” the court said in its ruling.

By gosh, that’ll teach ’em.

[Sam]

‘administrative search’ because the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack

The 4th is officially dead, dismembered, torched, and the ashes scattered to the wind.

[sarcasmic]

guilty until proven innocent

[Tim]

All depends on what the meaning of “search” is/isn’t.

[Lost_In_Translation]

Of course the fine print on the red sticker says ” Temporary EDL not for crossing national borders “.

THEN WTF IS IT FOR?! Why bother giving you a temporary EDL?

[Tim]

It’s for charging me $70 and then telling me it will show up in a about a month, if not call this number: blah blah.

All I want is to be able to get some tractor parts on the fly, or beer, or both.

[Lord Humungus]

did you say tractor?

[wylie]

I also got excited, but not a single mention of any sort of pulling. Booooo.

[Brett L]

Canadians. They probably have zamboni pulls.

[wylie]

Eh, I’d still watch that, but I wouldn’t be quite as thrilled. Maybe if they add oil slicks to the ice or something.

[Hugh Akston]

That is what they use to plow their fields, isn’t it?

[Tim]

I’m not a Canadian. Why on Earth would a Canadian actually want to come to the US to buy our pisswater beer. Shit the gasoline has more alcohol in it.

[robc]

Because about 5% of our beer actually isnt pisswater?

Maybe said Canadian can distinguish and doesnt just by the first american product they see with the word beer on it.

[P Brooks]

I’ll just keep quiet and do as I’m told.

“Remember, children; ‘Land of the free and home of the brave’ is just a figure of speech from a long long time ago. Real Americans love their country, so they do what they’re told.”

[sarcasmic]

We are the domesticated descendants of the free and brave people who conquered this land.

[R C Sheep]

Baaa.

[Kool]

I just died a little bit coming to that realization.

[db]

Beneath the noble bird
Between the proudest words
Behind the beauty cracks appear

Once with heads held high
They sang out to the sky
Why do their shadows bow in fear?

[Brett L]

“Its a free country ain’t it?” You don’t hear that much anymore, but we said it all the time when I was a kid.

[sarcasmic]

It used to be “It’s a free country”, now it’s “who said you could do that?”

[Mainer]

Yup, we said it all the time, too. Another marker (for me at least) is when we sent Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba. Someone escaped a communist country; I was shocked that there was any debate about sending him back, and then we did.

[robc]

I still dont know why we didnt grant him US citizenship before sending him back.

[mad libertarian guy]

Uh . . . because his father wanted him back? Who the fuck are we to dictate where a child may or may not live with his father?

[Nope, we're....]

…becoming more Stalinized every day. Internal passports, could they be next? “Show me your Papers.”

[Jennifer]

I know that simply saying “Don’t fly” is turning into a cliche, but dammit, people, DO NOT FLY! It really is that simple.

Sometimes liberty requires sacrifice, though it’s easy for modern middle-class-or-better Americans to forget that, given how cushy we’ve had it compared to the overwhelming majority of humans alive.

But we’re still lucky, because liberty today requires such a small sacrifice, compared to sacrifices made by Americans past! Seriously, my fellow Americans: if you want yourself and your descendants to live in freedom, you don’t have to risk your life taking arms against an oppressive army. You don’t have to abandon your family, friends, credentials and all worldly possessions to escape from behind the Iron or Bamboo curtains. You don’t have to face an angry southern lynch mob armed with dogs and fire hoses to get “free and fully human” status. All you have to do is not fly.

Yet so many ignore this! “I don’t like the idea of my kids being groped by the TSA, but how else can I take them to Disney World? It’s too far to drive.”

OLD AMERICANS: Give me liberty or give me death!

NEW AMERICANS: I’ll do whatever it takes to get a photo of my kid shaking hands with Mickey Mouse.

[wylie]

remind me why Jennifer isn’t a Reason contributor again? For that matter, how come I have yet to hear anything about her presidential campaign?

[Tulpa]

The last thing they need is another Howley situation.

[db]

WTF?

[sloopyinca]

To use an old Internet meme: I came buckets.

[cynical]

“I know that simply saying “Don’t fly” is turning into a cliche, but dammit, people, DO NOT FLY! It really is that simple.”

So, what about when they start cordoning off highways and trains and buses? Don’t travel at all? Yeah, that’ll show them.

[Tulpa]

I don’t mind being groped, but I’ll make sure to have a couple of 7-11 burritos and hard boiled eggs, washed down with a Corona, a couple of hours before heading out to the airport.

[tarran]

?!?

I have to ask. Why?

Not trying to be a jerk, it’s a sincere question.

[TrickyVic]

The desire to be arrested for being a WMD?

[Tulpa]

Weapon of Mass Defecation?

[My Guess]

I have to ask. Why?

Because he’s an adolescent who has no intention of actually doing what he wrote, but it sounds like snarky tough-talk on the internet?

[Tulpa]

That’s what you think. Come to my house sometime and I’ll show you some flatus that will make your sinuses bleed.

[No, tulpa. No.]

[db]

Yes. But…not all (actually not most) air travel is undertaken for leisure. I actually turned down a promotion earlier this year because the new job would have required lots of air travel. I was clear that air travel was an unacceptable hassle for me when I turned down the offer. However, my current job (same employer) still requires me to fly occasionally. If I want to avoid driving the only way i can do so is to drive on weekends or take days off (i haven’t yet tried to argue that they should pay me to drive for three days to get to a location that’s a 5-hour flight away). Yes, that’s a small price to pay relative to that paid by previous advocates of liberty, but these days it’s a little difficult to change jobs frequently.

[db]

“…avoid flying…”

[P Brooks]

” Temporary EDL not for crossing national borders “.

or operating a motor vehicle.

[P Brooks]

In a few weeks, I will be driving 1700 miles each way to participate in a family gathering. Barring some truly earth-shaking change of policy, I’ll never fly again.

Fuck you, TSA, John Pistole, Janet Napolitano and (last but by no means least) Barack Hussein Obama.

ps- fuck each and every one of the airline CEOs and members of the Boards of Directors who aren’t on the phone every single day motherfucking the list of people above.

[FlyoverCountry]

I hear this: next weekend my wife and I are driving from central Iowa to central Montana to see her brother, and even though we’re only going for 2 days, we’re still driving because fuck that game.

I mean, the only real issue is time, and with two people driving through the night, the time is not that much more then it would be going to the Des Moines airport, going through security, flying to denver, sitting and waiting for the next flight, flying to Billings, waiting for bags, renting a car, and driving the 2(?) hours to Lewistown. Plus, no sexual harrassment unless we want it!

(And it’s a long trip, so I assume there will be sexual harrassment of some sort…)

[Mainer]

“I assume there will be sexual harrassment of some sort…)”

You must be young.

[sarcasmic]

Must be newlyweds.
One difference between a job and a wife is that after a couple years the job still sucks.

[Mainer]

So you mean it’s entirely possible that I’ve already had my last blowjob and didn’t know it ?

[kinnath]

da comrade

[cynical]

Only one way to find out.

[Clich? Bandit]

ohh god!!!!…

*realizes truth*

**weeps softly, head on desk**

[sarcasmic]

Ayuh. I’m not even reached forty years old and I know I’ve had my last.

[GroundTruth]

Last month I drove 9 hours to a meeting in Canada to avoid this CRAP.

Unfortunately my next meeting is in Europe and my car won’t float.

[Gray Ghost]

Drive to Canada, fly out from there? How is security theater in Canada, compared to the U.S. these days?

[tarran]

It can be worse. After September 11th, the Canadian authorities always gave me a rougher time than the Americans.

What invariably sets them off:

Canadian Jack Booted Thug (CJBT): “What country are you a citizen of?”

Tarran: “United States”

CJBT: “Where were you born?”

Tarran: “Istanbul”

CJBT: “Do you have proof of your naturalization?”

Tarran: “I’m not naturalized, I’ve been a citizen since birth”

CJBT: excited “I said, what proof do you have of your citizenship?”

Tarran: “My passport.”

CJBT:”And you weren’t naturalized.”

Tarran: “No.”

CJBT:”We need to ask you questions, park over there and go into that building.”

I’ve always been treated better by the DHS, even the time I almost ran one of them over sort of by accident.

[Mensan]

For some reason as I read that I gave the CJBT an Eastern European accent.

[GroundTruth]

Sorry… poor writing…. 9 hours on the road to the meeting, 9 hours on the road afterward returning from the meeting… 18 hours to avoid the TSA.

[Gray Ghost]

In a few weeks, I will be driving 1700 miles each way to participate in a family gathering. Barring some truly earth-shaking change of policy, I’ll never fly again.

This. I’ll take an extra vacation day or two; I’ll use whatever virtual meeting software I need to, but I’ll be damned if I fly again until they fix this shit.

[Your Teacher]

Fuck you, TSA, John Pistole, Janet Napolitano and…Barack Hussein Obama…fuck each and every one of the airline CEOs and members of the Boards of Directors

That’ll show ’em!
Stick it to The Man, “P Brooks!”

[GroundTruth]

“Supreme Court has strongly suggested, screening passengers at an airport is an ‘administrative search’ because the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack.”

Put this one in the Dred Scott pile of things that SCOTUS got WRONG! Time for Roberts to get off his stare decisis and think again.

[Kristen]

In semi-related “news”, Rummy got felt up by the TSA the other day. He probably got a huge erection, being part of the security thee-ay-ter and all.

[TSA Supervisor]

explain ur turgidity sir

[Ray]

Part of me wants to request a pat down, then start moaing and faking orgasm as the hands run up my thighs…real loud, too, making a scene, etc.

[Then they won't let you fly.]

They literally have you by the balls.

[heller]

#10 Debaser

[Tulpa]

This is a real laugher:

the primary goal is not to determine whether any passenger has committed a crime but rather to protect the public from a terrorist attack.

Holy apples and oranges, Batman!

They’re comparing the immediate purpose of a particular search in the first case, to the overarching justification for the search policy in the second case, and then noting that they are different. It’s like saying that a person in one picture has blue eyes while the person in another has brown hair, so they must be different people.

[Tulpa]

That is to say, a regular police search is intended to “protect the public from criminal activity” in the broad sense of policy goals. The particular reason for an individual airport search is intended to “determine whether a passenger is bringing a prohibited items onto an aircraft”.

They don’t sound very different if you actually match the corresponding purposes of the policies rather than the unrelated ones.

[sarcasmic]

Doesn’t a police search require probable cause?
You have to have done something to be suspected of committing a crime, right?

Purchasing a plane ticket is probable cause for a search?

[Old Mexican]

Re: sarcasmic,

Doesn’t a police search require probable cause?

The fact that you voluntarily go through the hassle of being searched and groped is suspicious enough… Clearly determines a clear intent.

Otherwise, you would ride a bus, like any other law abiding person.

[tarran]

Tulpa, that’s an excellent point.

The Israelis, for example, use a screening process that is designed to identify whether a person is likely to engage in an attack. The final determination is a thorough interview by a well trained interrogator who makes the final call.

All the TSA does is to look for objects. It is emphatically not a screening process for terrorists.

For example, let’s say Chuck Norris decided to fly a plane into the Sears Tower, rather than knocking it down with one blow from his left thumb.

The Israeli style of screening might pick up that ol’ Chuck is a danger. The TSA, noting the complete absence of any offensive weapons whatsoever, would wave him on.

[TrickyVic]

“””All the TSA does is to look for objects. It is emphatically not a screening process for terrorists.”””

It’s a screening process for contraband, including contraband that a terrorist may carry.

“””The Israeli style of screening might pick up that ol’ Chuck is a danger.””

Or they might not.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/w…..king_x.htm

Behaviorial screening, which the TSA also does to some degree, isn’t really accurate.

I’m not sure how they act in Israel when an attack occurs, but we wet our pants, want someone to reassure us it will never happen again, and are willing to give up freedoms for a promise that can’t be kept.

Consider out government’s thirst for our information and what risked based screening might look like in the US. You man end up filling out a from of every place you lived, worked, and your list of friends, girlfriends, ect.

[Tulpa]

That reminds me of this scene from Amazon Women On The Moon.

[Mainer]

My little story: I flew over the 4th, and when I refused the scanner, I got the pat down. When the TSA guy asked if I was familiar with the procedure I said, “Yes I know what you people do, and you should be ashamed of yourself.”

[TrickyVic]

Good one. I’ll remember that and add, but I’ll pray for your soul.

[Hugh Akston]

How did that work out for you?

[sarcasmic]

Dude didn’t detain you until your flight left? I’m shocked!

[GroundTruth]

Mainah…. smooth response! I like that! Wicked good!

[GroundTruth]

Mainah, ps, the first time I encountered the “your papers please” (actually ” your ID, please”) was on the fourth of July a few years before 2001. I just handed over my license, and said, without a grin, “Happy Independence Day to you too.” I wonder if she understood my point. I doubt it.

[P Brooks]

public comment would “would thwart the government’s ability to respond to concoct ‘ever-evolving threats.'”

[Tim]

Have you noticed that the courts do not give a reason why or why this isn’t constitutional?

[woundedwarrior]

You know that thing they can do to study the target of a persons focus on a TV commercial? Its a study to find out what attracts peoples attention and records a plus target over where the person is looking. I’d like to see them do a study on these pictures and see where the people looking at them spend most their time looking.

[R C Dean]

I’d like to see them do a study on these pictures and see where the people looking at them spend most their time looking.

I’m guessing not at the screen. Unless she’s hot.

[P Brooks]

FLYING IS A PRIVILEGE

[R C Dean]

Driving is a privilege. Using mass transit is a privilege. Riding a horse is a privilege.

If you want to get there so goddam bad, walk.

But not on the state’s roads. That’s a privilege. And don’t trespass on private property, either.

[Clich? Bandit]

you could levitate…what are the airspace rules? Or mineral rights for that matter if I wat to tunnel.

[The next step--]

Checkpoints at all state line crossings. Don’t laugh.

[Gray Ghost]

You’ve driven to California, I see.

[Russ 2000]

I think it’s great that people will actually burn more petroleum – helping our alleged enemies – rather that put up with the airport bullshit from our alleged defenders.

[Mr. FIFY]

For your enjoyment:

http://www.grabmyjunk.net/

…or not.

[Apocalitarian]

I look for the collapse of the state and life in the world to come.